remember this is only an opinion

it wont kill you to read it, it wont kill you to not read it, you can choose whichever you like.

if you are on this forum, and you are a male, or a m2f, then you are either gay or bisexual. (however, i do not like to use labels personally, but i am simply using the generally accepted system of labelling which society has come to confrom to)

that is the bottom line fact.

realistically, we are pretty much looking at a man. only men have penises. if you think that you are an exception to this basic, and very simple rule, simply because the man you are looking at has got long hair and a feminine shape then you are lying to yourself.

its that simple.

you can express your views as you feel necessary, just please keep the language on an acceptable level, i didn't start this thread to have an argument, but simply to express my opinion.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by guest

realistically, we are pretty much looking at a man. only men have penises. if you think that you are an exception to this basic, and very simple rule, simply because the man you are looking at has got long hair and a feminine shape then you are lying to yourself.

its that simple.

What sex is a hermaphrodite?

If a man sees what he believes is a beautiful woman and is attracted to her with out seeing that she has a cock, is he gay? Or does he instantly become gay once he sees her cock?

Did you know that MRI scans show that a gay man actually has a female brain?
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/111663.php

If you don't like to use labels then don't. Because if you did like to use labels, I'd say you're hung up on traditional definitions of male female and gay.

[Bionca]

I guess it depends on what make one a "man" and a "woman". Is being female a factor of genetalia? Is being male having a Y chromosome? Is gender related to a person's emotional makeup? Is being trans* related to an individuals understandng of themselves? Is it a complicated combination of all of the aboved and other stuff I didn't mention?

On one level, yes, a man who is attracted to me is attracted to someone who was born male. Society will consider the attraction homosexual. On another level I have never in my live ever understood myself to be a man or a boy. I lived as a gay man for a few years, and it was not a correct identification of who I was/am.

It is part of the complicated nature of both being and being attracted to a trans* woman. I have a past spent as a man - being seen as and reacted to as a man. That is a part of life I am not ashamed of and expect to be respected by my partners and friends. However, I also have a present where I am seen as a reacted to as a woman.

I am Trans - I am more than a "chick with a dick". I am a woman with a male past. I am a man with a female present. I am a woman from birth who was made to pretend to be a guy. I am a gay man and a straight woman at the same time. I am neither male nor female and both at once.

It is difficult for me - as someone who has lived through it to understand sometimes. So, you are both totally right and totally wrong.

[Ogryn1313]

This is a confusing enough thing for me to figure out and come to terms with. People would call me gay, queer, fag, fruit, fairy or any other of the 1000's of derogatory words. Am I? I don't know. I don't care any more either. I am what I am and like what I like. People who don't wish to accept me for it can kindly eat the peanuts out of my poo for all I care.

being a man, i can only see things from a very limited view.

you know what, i don't know shit to be honest.

i do know, though, that i am attracted to the male organ called the penis. this male organ, however, is only attractive when placed on a certain type of body, which is by no means the typical male body.

the sentance "i am attracted to the male organ called the penis" is something (assumingly) most of you here, deep down inside, should come to acceptance with.

i'm not just making this thread to call you all fags, that's not the purpose at all. i am just speaking realistically.

i don't want to get lost in a fantasy world where a third sex exists, so in a way, this is just my way of keeping my sanity.

i'm not trying to be an ass to anyone but the above sentance reminded me of everything blueraven always has to say on this forum. if you read this don't be offended, i'm just voicing a very insignificant opinion.

from the stuff i read from some of the wonderful people here, it seems as though many are stuck in some sort of world where they force themselves to believe that they are not looking at men. as if it's something to be ashamed of? they force themselves to believe that there is this imaginary gender exists and completely block out every thought of past male existance..

i was thinking like this for a few weeks until i snapped out of it. i realized, yes, i am attracted to men, but they are not your ordinary men. they are women now in a sense, but honestly you can never simply block out the past, that's just insanity if you ask me. one should realize their identity, who they were and who they are now, it just makes it more beutiful in my opinion.

once again, i am simply another part of the masses, my thoughts are insignificant and theres no reason to argue about anything i have said.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by guest

being a man, i can only see things from a very limited view.

you know what, i don't know shit to be honest.

i do know, though, that i am attracted to the male organ called the penis. this male organ, however, is only attractive when placed on a certain type of body, which is by no means the typical male body.

the sentance "i am attracted to the male organ called the penis" is something (assumingly) most of you here, deep down inside, should come to acceptance with.

i'm not just making this thread to call you all fags, that's not the purpose at all. i am just speaking realistically.

i don't want to get lost in a fantasy world where a third sex exists, so in a way, this is just my way of keeping my sanity.

i'm not trying to be an ass to anyone but the above sentance reminded me of everything blueraven always has to say on this forum. if you read this don't be offended, i'm just voicing a very insignificant opinion.

from the stuff i read from some of the wonderful people here, it seems as though many are stuck in some sort of world where they force themselves to believe that they are not looking at men. as if it's something to be ashamed of? they force themselves to believe that there is this imaginary gender exists and completely block out every thought of past male existance..

i was thinking like this for a few weeks until i snapped out of it. i realized, yes, i am attracted to men, but they are not your ordinary men. they are women now in a sense, but honestly you can never simply block out the past, that's just insanity if you ask me. one should realize their identity, who they were and who they are now, it just makes it more beutiful in my opinion.

once again, i am simply another part of the masses, my thoughts are insignificant and theres no reason to argue about anything i have said.

It seems that, to you, gender is defined by birth genetalia. If that makes you comfortable with your specific fetishization of a Trans*woman's body - I suppose that's swell.

Unfortunately your "fantasy world" is my lived relaity. I think it may be good idea to listen to trans*women and how they talk about their childhoods and pasts and their personal identities. Otherwise, you are in essence calling how I perceived and understod my childhood through today as some sort of delusion.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

What sex is a hermaphrodite?

If a man sees what he believes is a beautiful woman and is attracted to her with out seeing that she has a cock, is he gay? Or does he instantly become gay once he sees her cock?

Did you know that MRI scans show that a gay man actually has a female brain?
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/111663.php

If you don't like to use labels then don't. Because if you did like to use labels, I'd say you're hung up on traditional definitions of male female and gay.

once again, this is only my brute opinion.

to answer your first question, of course not. he doesn't know she's a man.
if he sees her cock and likes it, then according to society, yes, he is gay. and according to me, put simply, he likes the male penis. because that's what it is, there's not denying that.

when i first read that quote above your link, i was really dissapointed, because i always liked to think that i was anything but female, but i slowly came to realizing that this is probably simply because "gay" men and women, at least in urban culture, usually share the same interests. the brain wasn't born that way, it's just how it has come to be over time. many, many urban women are liberal, like to look good, and enjoy stuff that urban women enjoy. gay men, are usually liberal as well(thus sharing vast similar interests), giving them a more open minded way of thinking in terms of generally anything, but especially sex, obviously.

i'm gonna shut up now.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

So what your saying is if a man thinks Buck Angel is a hot, then he is totaly straight?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

So what your saying is if a man thinks Buck Angel is a hot, then he is totaly straight?

Ewwww :shudder: ptewey ptewy

Quick! Post someone hot like Mint to get that image out of my head!

[LoverofShemales]

This is as the old saying goes... A conundrum wrapped inside an enigma. There is no wrong answer or right and that's why no one should judge or conversley feel guilty or strange about their feelings or sexual attraction to someone. I think it just comes down to what turns our crank. Some people inexplicably like to have sex with animals and they think their OK and probably think the rest of us are all "hung up" and "square". The same could be said for those who prefer big breasts to small or blondes to brunettes. It's just what one person finds sexy and attractive and it's just one persons taste over another.

I thought I was gay when I realized I was attracted to trans-women mostly because they had a penis but I don't find men or crossdressers attractive. Not at all actually! I realized that it is the whole package that is a transwoman that I find appealing... the same way that some prefer blondes over brunettes and I prefer TGirls over every other sexually attractive entity.

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Ewwww :shudder: ptewey ptewy

Quick! Post someone hot like Mint to get that image out of my head!

You don't need a pic, just use your imagination, visualise Mint's big long cock, as she holds it, strokes it, slides it up Buck Angels tight pussy! oooh yea, she's loving it, licking his big tattooed muscles, rubbing his hairy chest as she fucks his hot wet pussy.

hahaha, Imagination is fun!

Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna

So what your saying is if a man thinks Buck Angel is a hot, then he is totaly straight?

you obviously didn't read my posts
and if anyone doesn't know, buck angel is "a man with a pussy". so he's a female.

[frostyfrost]

Originally Posted by guest

it wont kill you to read it, it wont kill you to not read it, you can choose whichever you like.

if you are on this forum, and you are a male, or a m2f, then you are either gay or bisexual. (however, i do not like to use labels personally, but i am simply using the generally accepted system of labelling which society has come to confrom to)

that is the bottom line fact.

realistically, we are pretty much looking at a man. only men have penises. if you think that you are an exception to this basic, and very simple rule, simply because the man you are looking at has got long hair and a feminine shape then you are lying to yourself.

its that simple.

you can express your views as you feel necessary, just please keep the language on an acceptable level, i didn't start this thread to have an argument, but simply to express my opinion.

You're looking at it from an either or standpoint, either male or female, either gay (bisexual) or straight... or they wouldn't be here. There are many cultures in the world that have a view that there are more than just two sexes, and that sexual feelings are more complicated than just "you're either gay, straight, or both".

I like BDSM, I'm very kinky, I'm submissive, I like transexuals, but I also love strap-ons. I also like plain vanilla sex, and plain vanilla relationships. I've also gone without a partner for a few years now by choice, because I'm probably borderline asexual, and I love the emotional aspects much more than the physical aspects of a relationship.

So where would I put myself? I don't know. Do I think I'm bisexual because I love transexuals and the transgendered? Maybe a little bit, but I'm also of the mind that no one is 100% straight or 100% gay, we're all somewhere inbetween.

[time9]

I come to this forum and I am straight. Unfortunately it?s been more like asexual lately. But to be on the safe side I contacted a number of my gay friends explained the situation and ask them if ?I was indeed gay?? After the obligatory ?Mary I wish? and ?compared to who? comments they begrudgingly concurred that I was not. But I have decided that if it doesn?t bother you that in my world I?m straight. I promise it won?t bother me that in your mind I?m Gay! I do love this forum!!

If anybody ever asks, I just tell them I'm a lesbian.

OK, a lesbian that likes cock occasionally But a lesbian all the same.

[whorelover]

Originally Posted by guest

it wont kill you to read it, it wont kill you to not read it, you can choose whichever you like.
if you are on this forum, and you are a male, or a m2f, then you are either gay or bisexual. (however, i do not like to use labels personally, but i am simply using the generally accepted system of labelling which society has come to confrom to)
that is the bottom line fact.
realistically, we are pretty much looking at a man. only men have penises. if you think that you are an exception to this basic, and very simple rule, simply because the man you are looking at has got long hair and a feminine shape then you are lying to yourself.
its that simple.
you can express your views as you feel necessary, just please keep the language on an acceptable level, i didn't start this thread to have an argument, but simply to express my opinion.

You make me laugh !
She say : "I am a woman"
She waht to be a woman.
She look like a woman.
I feel her like a woman.
Ergo, this is a woman.
That she have a penis is a bonus from God !
And nobody can`t teach me !