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Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

That's apples and oranges. You cannot compare sexually abusing a 13 year old boy with not hiring a gay person. As for an employer not wanting to hire a gay person, would you say they are exercising their freedom of speech? I'm for rights. Not straight rights, gay rights, white rights or colored rights, just rights. Rights should be applied equally. Just because someone is a minority does not give them more rights than anyone else. Otherwise you will be trading one form of discrimination for another.

Rights being applied equally includes hiring a qualified, hard-working, well-deserving candidate for any employment position. That's the premise that I was basing my argument on and so I said nothing of giving more opportunities for minorities to gain access to these positions. Furthermore, my analogy of the insanity of attempting to justify having sex with a prepubescent child to the insanity of attempting to justify discrimination based upon a medieval, pre-scientific ideology is a bit extreme, but the point being that both of these movements do so much more to divide the masses instead of allowing individuals to express what's going on inside their minds safely and openly. I'm absolutely down with the idea of pedophiles giving out material in public explaining their position and why, and I'm also down with Christians spouting out the word of God bullshit proving more and more that Christianity is a religion that shall be stuck in eternal neoteny. I love this idea, and I also love the idea that I can approach these people and tell them they obviously need to go back and review a little bit about 1 + 1 = 2 and come back to reality because neither one of those ideologies give a correct perception of how the world really works, especially in first-world societies.

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

So the inalienable rights are now Life, Liberty, the Pursuit of Happiness and Prosperity now? And yes, you can be happy without necessarily being prosperous.

Come on now, be a little poetic my dude. Could not the pursuit of happiness be interchangeable with the pursuit of prosperity? A healthy mind and body are scientifically proven to be key elements of human wellness and happiness, it's our right to enjoy both of these, and are not these opportunities taken away in the two previous examples? Is this not the simplest example of prosperity???

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I don't understand. Why should the fact that someone is gay keep them from getting a job? My employer and coworkers have no idea if I'm straight, gay or bi, and it isn't any of their business anyway.

I thought I already concluded that I don't believe sexual orientation, or any other attribute of a person, should serve as a barrier for employment....?

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Freedom does include the freedom to be an idiot - as long as you're not breaking any other laws. Being an idiot has consequences. So a free society will learn to be responsible for their actions because others in society are free to enact consequences.

Yeah but how the hell do you expect idiots to face the consequences of their actions? Considering the welfare system in this country, there are too many cases of individuals abusing it. So many high school drop outs are not getting jobs and living off of government-provided welfare so they don't have the face the consequences of the fact that they have done NOTHING to create financial stability for themselves. I'll find facts to support that later, but anyway, being an idiot is a disservice to the progressions made by Earthly organisms throughout all of natural history from basic survival and hunting techniques all the way to the notion that the extension of the body through weapons creates a safer and more effective means of garnering resources to sustain energy. The fact of the matter is that human beings have already reached the zenith of cerebral rubicon size and the proliferation of individuals making decisions based upon facts that are purely tangible knowledge instead of logic or reason means that we as a whole are going to get more and more stupid. How the hell do you expect the First Amendment to be protected if the American public would rather play beer pong, watch television or smoke pot all day instead of reading and learning?

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Killing an abortion doctor is not dumb human bullshit. That's murder. It doesn't even need to be classified as a hate crime. It's murder and he should be executed. You do see the difference between speaking your mind and killing someone don't you? Committing murder obviously classifies their action as something other than free speech.

It's dumb human bullshit. Murder is dumb human bullshit. Dumb humans have this ridiculous idea that murdering an individual embodying the essence of what their philosophy is working against is justified in the name of their ideology. Small animals kill plant life in order to sustain energy. Larger animals kill small animals in order to sustain energy. Dumb humans kill each other because they aren't that much smarter than Daniel Sickles. To conclude, the way in which things operate in a first-world society implicitly require that if you can't express your point of view in civilized and intelligent matter, you should either keep your opinions to yourself or find a different hobby.

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