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Old 10-27-2008
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No, Barack Obama is not a socialist - so very far from
Again, I'm drawing a difference between the policies he will implement (social democratic if you will) and his socialist mindset, which I'm pretty sure he has given the company he keeps.

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He may not turn us into a socialist nation but he'll move us pretty far into that direction.
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You confuse a socialistic approach with a social democratic point of view. These are very different in their nature in the sense that the socialist believes in a predominantly state-owned economy where as the social democrat believes in a capitalistic system BUT with certain social measures to stem up the inherent greed in people.
Look at my quote above. I'm not saying he will turn us into socialists. I said he will move us in that direction. The social democratic approach is a move in that direction.

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That means, that the broadest shoulders bear the heaviest loads - as well as allowing those with the broadest shoulders to enjoy the fruit of their broad shoulders.
But that's already happening here. Probably not to the extent it is in Europe, but 40% here pay no tax. Then the next bracket is at like 2%. And it goes on up to 35% for the rich. This is exactly what you're saying. Most people here (myself included) would favor a flat tax system. Under this system, the load is linearly proportional to the broadness of your shoulders, not exponentially proportional.

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People are greedy - that's why a degree of wealth-redistribution is necessary.
The rich here donate more to charity than anyone else in the world.

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So no, Barack Obama is far from socialist, but he is, indeed, a guy who seems to chime the bells for a little bit of solidarity.

And again, is that so bad?
When equality is legislated that is bad. Competition is a good thing. If someone develops some product that enhances the quality of life then they should benefit from it. If they do not, then they have no motivation to develop the product. And this isn't cheap. If there's no potential of reaping the benefits, then putting resources into a dream eithout being repaid wouldn't make any sense. It's a good thing too for those socialst democrats out there who reap the benefits from the products and technologies we create.

It's what works for us. I'll try and get an answer from you again. How does our capitalist system cause you pain and misery in Indonesia?
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