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Originally Posted by Elonar

A really vigorous and instructive thread, somewhat spoilt by a flurry of point-scoring on the question of what an Arab would find to be a racist remark. On this question, it is my experience that more often than not the most vociferous claimants that a racist offence has been committed come from an entirely different racial group themselves. Oddly enough a friend of mine who owns and runs a camel-racing stable near to Abu Dhabi might have a less condemnatory perspective on the odd use of the term ' camel jockey ' ! However it is a relief to learn from smc that at least three representative arabs have a clear opinion to offer.

Come on boys - get back firmly to the subject of this thread, which is really a good deal more interesting than finger-pointing.

Let's move on now.

Your sarcasm notwithstanding (and I would venture a bet that a poll of the hundreds of Arab students at my university would yield the same result from a much larger sample), racism is part and parcel of this discussion. One of the reasons the West has been so successful in gaining the consent of its citizenry with respect to how the Arab world has been dealt with is precisely because Arabs have been debased and diminished as a people in the minds of that very citizenry. If you disagree with that, do so, but to characterize a discussion on racism as a "flurry of point scoring" rather than acknowledging that racist remarks have no place in this discussion and -- in effect -- defending the use of the racist terminology, you have spoken volumes.