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Well Tracy, I am not a historian but my understanding of Israel is that Arabs and Jews lived there for centuries before WWII in relative harmony. After the war the Zionists wanted there own country (fed up with predjudice) and they wanted their homeland Israel. Britan controlled Israel and did not want a Jewish state. They knew it would cause trouble. With US encouragement the British pulled out and the Zionists took over and pushed out the Palestinians and created a Jewish dominated state. Source one of US hatred.
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This is absurd. Yes Americans supported Zionism, but what claim do the Arabs have to this land? Especially after reading what Angry Postman posted. Granted, his posting seems to be politically slanted, but the claims in the article seem to have the facts on their side.
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Source two, Iran created a socialist state that thumbed their nose at the US and heaven forbid, developed relations with Russia. We found that intolerable, created a coup and installed the Shaw as a "monarch". The Iranians finally got fed up and installed a radical Islamic state which further fostered hatred of the US to strengthen their power.
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I can see them getting perturbed at this.
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Source three, years ago we cut a deal with Ibn Saud, leader of a tribe in Saudi Arabia to set him and his family up as permanent leaders of Arabia in exchange for their oil (Aramco). Arab religious leaders deeply resent the control of Arabia by the US and teach Arab male youths to hate the US (Whabinism an extreme form of Islam).
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Yes we negotiated an oil deal with the leadership in Saudi Arabia. You can say 'cut a deal' like it was some shady back-room deal but there's nothing really unusual about how that was done. And they may have been a "tribe" of Saudi Arabia, but apparently a tribe with significant political power otherwise the deal would have fallen through. Either way, any tribe has the right to accumulate enough power to become the ruling government. How many times in the history of the world has a 'tribe' risen to power?
This is just like the african americans. They blame us and only us for slavery. Sure we had our part of the blame, but so did Britain, and certainly their own people back in Africa who gathered them up to sell to us. You'll NEVER see them being blamed though. So if the people of Saudi Arabia have a gripe, they should take it up with the royal family there first.
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Source four, British imperialism thoroughly fucked up the Middle East by arbitrarily dividing it up into militarily controllable states that did not consider tribal and ethnic differences in the area. Consequently, there has been constant turmoil there and we inherited it from the British.
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No, the British divided up Arabia into countries all on their own, without out our help.
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Source five, our firm support of Israel at the expense of the rights and concerns of Arabic peoples in the region.
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Probably because the Arabs have been acting like a bunch of barbarians, so we rightly come down on the side of the more civil Jews. I mean, honestly, what's up with 6 Arab countries attacking Israel? I think it's funny as shit that they got their asses handed to them in 6 days
As a consequence they lost territory. That's how wars work.
The Arabs used to be very intelligent people. But civilizations have their ups and downs. I think now they are in Dark Ages like the western civilization once was. There isn't much scientific advancement there now, or works of art or literature. And religion has lobotomized the population.
I am amazed that Israel hasn't erased Hezbolah after they break cease fire after cease fire. Why should the Israelis tolerate rockets falling on their cities and suicide bombers? I say give Hezbolah what it hungers for. Treat them like barbaric klingons who wish to die in battle and oblige them.
And if that doesn't solve it, maybe it's time to irradiate the entire region so that it becomes uninhabitable for the next 50,000 years until the whole dispute is forgotten. The world is tired of their temper tantrums.
But anyway... Happy New Year to you, Postman and Jen too!!
