Bionca's Poll For Men
 

This poll is for our Bionca, and it continues the conversation about her dismay, concerning what guys honestly think about trans women. Except, this concerns the why factor.


Who are we at this forum,
and why do we behave the way we do?


Why don't we defend the trans women enough?


Or do we defend them more than elsewhere?


Who we are predicts our actions before the fact, and proves our actions after the fact.

Yes, I've been in a love relationship with a non-op and there is not way I'll be going back to women born in women's bodies.

While I consider transwomen to be women, there is something uniquely attractive about them. Even post ops. There's a connection, an empathy, that I don't feel from XX women.

As for standing up for them, sure, I will, but we have to remember everyone starts somewhere and at there are gonna be a lot of newbies here who are simply at the stage of objectifying tws and have little idea of the correct terms. Perhaps we shouldn't scare everyone away right from the start by abusing them for their ignorance. But yes, the odd suggestion and putting some lines in the sand is fair enough.

this discribes me as well

however in another life id be on a plane to meet one of you sexy fuckers!

IM going to be very interested in the results

this is a very good idea for a poll. good job tal:respect:

Should make for some interesting conversations.

Yes, this is a great thread, and one I haven't seen on this forum before (at least not in this format).

I've dated a couple of transwomen before, and would love to do so again the future... but at my age, and given my current circumstances, it still remains more of a sexual fascination. Not a transitory one though; I can't imagine myself not being strongly attracted to transwomen in the future. And in an ideal world, I would end up with the transwoman of my dreams in a few years time.

something missing
 

I think there is something seriously missing from the poll options. There must surely be those on the forum who have not had any love, sex, or love & sex relationship with one or multiple transwomen, but for whom it is not simply a "fantasy." What about those who are looking, open to a relationship with anyone they meet, but so far have not opted for a "few dates ... to try it" or sex from an escort service, etc.?

I am sure there are people in that category, but they have no option in the poll to choose that reflects their true situation.

u forgot one thing on the poll

"i havent had sex with a trans but i am willing too, im just shy about it"

None of the above, I have not been with any ts but i would love to and even would have a relationship!

The questions in the poll don't match the questions posed here, therefore your post does not make any sense. I really have no idea what you are trying to find out. How does the fact that one may or may not have a relationship with a transwoman relate to whether or not one defends transwomen?

I have had sex with 2 transwomen. I'm not into relationships so those 2 times never turned into anything more. I would be open to a relationship, but I don't really think I'll ever find the right person to settle down with.

Your Answer
 

ILA:


My thinking is that why you come here may shed a light on your response to certain issues, like those that Bionca faces on a daily basis, and she feels those issues here as well. My feeling when starting this poll was to establish who comes here to determine that response. Men who have an emotional relationship with a trans woman are more likely to be sensitive to her issues. Men who come here to treat a trans woman as a sex object will be less likely to feel empathy. It doesn't establish the new members from the more seasoned veterans, which could have an effect on the outcome. Is it error proof? NO!

Maybe the response that Bionca is seeking is not 80% but 50%, and if she expected 50% and got 50% it would be par for the course. In other words, if she has unrealistic expectations, her disappointment is not founded in reality. However, if 50% is reality and sees 30%, she has a measurable difference to compare to the outside world.

I hope it doesn't appear to be to clean-room sterile.


TAL

Beam Me Up
 

Starship:

You don't fantasize?


Star Fleet Command

SMC:


What would call something more than a fantasy, but less than 1 taste of? Fantasy leads to taste, be it emotional or physical on a face to face basis.

I consider phone or e-mail dates or emotions to be fantasy until it becomes face to face, but others put that in a different realm.

If you desire to win the lottery, is it not a fantasy?


TAL

BUTT:

But, Butt. Sorry, I couldn't resist.


Do you not fantasize?


Also, an escort date is a date, and sex with an escort is still sex.

TAL

yes i do fantasize

Yep, that's my story right there.

For the moment I only fantasize, and I am open to it in real life, sex and/or a relationship that is. And I have to say I am open for a lot of things. On the otherhand, most people don't know much about my sexlife and I plan to keep it that way. afterall, what do I know about theirs and I do I want to know? I don't think so :) The only people that know about my fantasies, wishes and kinks are the ones I really, really know and they have a lot in common, most of them are into BDSM, or polyamory.

If people really want to know I will tell them. Most of them anyway. And I only 'defend' T-girls when I feel there is a need to. Like I do when it comes to gays and also when it comes to the BDSM community. I hate ignorance, although I think we all are, or have been ignorant one time or the other. But when someone hates gays, T-girls or BDSM, I will stand up yes, even if it was to try to give them a different view, or maybe a reason not be afraid. I know we can all change, it just needs a positive input and motivation... One can always hope eh?

I Do
 

As with all trans gender they all should be treated as we our selves want to be treated

Missing a choice
 

For those of us who haven't had the opportunity yet, there really isn't a good selection in your poll. My selection would be: Haven't dated or had sex yet but plan on it in the future.

Fantasy
 

MICHAEL:

Life is what happens while you're busy making other plans.

TAL

Hi there.

Your poll is missing some options...

Never been with a t-girl, went to bar, but no 7 or better, used to date 8's or better, call me vain.

Also, VERY tired of women bitching their little heads of for the smallest little thing, it's such a turn off.

So, here i am stuck between a rock and a hard place, (again) in many ways, then you kinda put words in our mouths about oblectifying t-girls too, i only objetify the women gg & tg that put themselves in that position, when i speak to someone i always do so respectfully until they dis-respect me, then it's another ball game.

About defending tg's, well it is said: help yourself and god will help you, it is a translation from french, it looses a bit in MY translation, but if you don't stand up for yourself why should anybody stand up for you? Some will of course, i probably would, but if you act as a victim, some will treat you like one and others will make you one.

johnDowe.

The English expression is God helps those who help themselves.

I have not had a relationship with a t-girl, I'd love to enter a relationship with one, and I'm not in it for the porn, though it is a turn on.

Hi there.

Thanks ILA, i knew there had to be one.

JohnDowe.

Anyone Who Didn't Vote?
 

We're at 73 votes.

Anybody else voting?

Hope I'm not too late to vote. I've dated one trans woman and it was very nice. But I voted the " I had sex with trans women (plural)" option because I think it describes me better.