Ungendering and a Lack of Respect
 

Recently there have been some comments on here which ungender the transwomen of the world. This is not something new on here, but there have never been as many comments at one time as there has been in the last week.

By ungendering I mean making statements that ciswomen are "real women" and by inference that transwomen aren't real. As transwomen are real women then one is taking away transwomen's gender by inferring that they are not real women. Still other statements have referred to ciswomen as women and females whereas in the same post transwomen have been referred as tgirls. This is just another way to ungender transwomen by inferring that transwomen are neither women nor female. The men on here claim to love/admire/want transwomen and yet statements that ungender transwomen show a great lack of respect.

I am sure that some members have made these statements without realizing how hurtful it can be. There are still others that have made such statements knowing full well what the impact is.

I would like to remind the men here to show more respect to all transwomen. Please do not refer to ciswomen as the only real women. Remember that transwomen are real women and they are female.

To put this in perspective I would ask the men to think of how they would feel if they were referred to as she or her or any other feminine term. If you are offended or feel uncomfortable or even pissed off then you are on the path to realizing how a transwoman feels when she is ungendered.

To get a better perspective on this subject I encourage you to click on the link below. It will take you to the thread Real Girls which was started by Bionca.

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=3444

I will say that I have seen examples of what you are talking about, Ila. I have tried correcting a couple of the members, but I am not sure if I was stepping on any toes being a new member myself.

I cannot be sure but it could stem from the fact that a few members view their adoration/love as a kink or as merely a physical outlet for their desires.

To me, they are women. More importantly they are fellow human beings and not merely an object of desire to me.

A big thank you bump!

I'll just share my story and I'm guessing a lot of the people who use "real woman" are/were in the same boat as I used to be in.

I've never met a transgendered person in my life. I've always respected their choices and lifestyles but I knew little about them or the "terms" describing them. I became interested in t-girls through porn. But beyond porn, I knew little to nothing. I joined this site, and I didn't know the "lingo" so to speak. I'm fairly certain that I used the term "real girl" at least once. But I didn't know that it was offensive; I just didn't know of another term to use. I saw that it was offensive and I immediately stopped using it. I found out that the term to use is "genetic girl" or "g-girl" and I use that now. I've always knew that t-girls are real girls. There's never been a time in my life where I've denied that fact. Women are women, no matter what sexual organ they have.

I just thought I'd throw my 2 cents in here. Just to say that not everyone who used that term is a bad guy here, especially if they use it without really knowing how bad it is. Hopefully the people who read this and still use the term will shape up and stop using it.

I like this and I can almost see using "real girl" if you didn't know better. My only problem is that it is still a pretty thoughtless word choice. I mean literally, little thought used in choosing that word. Because if you think about it for a little bit, the opposite of "real" is "fake". Given the nature of the conversations, I'm sure that thinking about precise meaning behind word is not high on the list of priorities - so it happens (lots)

I think problems start when guys get corrected and then launch into post after post defending their right to use "real girl" and to make it clear that trans women are not, in fact, "real women". These are the guys this needs to reach. This is why it is better for you guys to do the right thing and tell your fellow dudes that trans women are Real and women.

It's time to bump this thread to the front again. Recently I've seen a lot of use of the terms real women, real girls, "she", his, and several other terms that have been ungendering transwomen. I am not bumping this thread to admonish any particular member or members. Rather I am using this opportunity to provide enlightenment for those that would like to know the correct terms to use and also to show why some terms are hurtful.

I?ll add my bump as well. Unfortunately, I?m not sure whether or not the ungendering that occurs on here is just careless--or if it is intentionally disrespectful. I sincerely hope that it is the former and those who are guilty of it will stop and think about what they're saying.

Dr. A

I 100% see transgirls as women and if ever given the opportunity to date one I would treat them as such. Saying that they are anything but women is a total insult and should not be tolerated. I hope one day I can find true love with a transWOMAN.

that is why i too dont get the endless questions posted here : am I gay??? they are women!!!!! plain and simple (at least to me) so how can you be gay.... not that it matters to me if people think I am ... i could care less. deep down inside you know if you are gay or not. A girl with a cock (IMO) is an added bonus. I love girls with a vagina or a sexy cock. ITs not all about sex.. (unless thats all your looking for ..escorts). It is about how you make each other feel in and out of bed. I think finding a girl with a cock would be a dream come true. I want a girl... a best friend.. a lover...a trusting honest relationship with a woman... if she has a penis ... all the better.

Well said. :respect:

I think that most of the people who visit are just here for the tranny pics; odds are they rarely bother to read anything outside of the Freebies and Shemale Chat sections. If people take the time to stop and read this thread and a few from the General Discussion section, they will be alot more informed.

I urge visitors to read this thread but it seems that the naked pictures will continue to take precedence over a handful of words...:(

I'll try and add a few things. I know. I am still fairly new here. And might have said a thing or two, that might seem "Disrespectful." And I'm sorry for that.

Most of it has to do with.. Stepping into a new community. And at the same time being scared of fully admitting I'm into these woman..

This is a good community within which to overcome your fear.

I dont think people like you are the issue here....if you are new to the site or new to the liking of or exploring of trans-women you may on occasion make some mistakes but you are here to learn and be educated and to learn from your mistakes. I too on occasion have to think about what I am writing to not accidentally offend anyone.(as I am new to this world and excited to be here) I think this post is more directed to people knowing that what they are posting is disrespectful and doing it anyway


MY 2 cents.:)

We have certainly had our share of those kinds of posts. Even worse, perhaps, are the ones that may not be consciously disrespectful, but when the disrespect is pointed out the member becomes belligerent. Those are the days that make me wonder what I was thinking when I agreed to be a moderator!

I myself have used "genetic girl" to differentiate from tgirls. Usually this is used in a context of meditating on some trans community issues.

I do notice many transgirls appending T- CD- TV- to their avatar and handles online. I think this is purely to forewarn other guys of who they are....after having heard so many stories of men who get bent out of shape once they find out what's behind the curtains.

If it was up to me, I would do away with "trans-" and "transgender" altogether. Plain vanilla "girl" is simplicity personified.

As for how insulted guys would feel if someone called them a "she" or a "her" well, in the gay culture, it's quite common to call each other b*tches, girls, and whatnot. And in the mainstream culture, I am increasing seeing girls called each other "guys" and even "dudes." Even a man's man (raised eyebrows) are getting so high maintenance and sensitive these days, I'm shocked nobody has started to call them girls.

I know it's one of those asymmetrical things where girls have more freedom than guys. But I believe language shapes reality and perception. The more people use the standard pronouns interchangeably, (hopefully) there will come a day when people begin to realize that gender is dynamic. Not something written in stone and permanent.
:respect:

PC controls ?
 

I am a little disquieted by some of the views expressed in this thread. I count myself as one perhaps of many who have grown to love and respect Transgenders and Transgenderism, and who must, on more than one occasion, in my clumsy attempts to express enthusiasm, or an honest opinion, caused offence by using terms which a number of members might take offence at; offence where innocently none is intended. Often the quickness to take offence is linked to the unhappy personal life experiences of the person offended.

This is a forum for frank and open discussion. Let's be just a little bit careful about loping an Orwellian mentality towards those less informed than oneself.
Education, especially on other peoples' sensitivies, takes time, so beware of becoming ' holier than thou '.

:respect: and share

Before anyone takes offence at this thread I would like to say that it was not directed at any individual. I started this thread after corresponding with a couple of the ladies on this site and listening to their concerns. At the time there were a lot of disparaging remarks about transwomen.

This thread has nothing to do with being PC nor having a holier than thou attitude. Rather the purpose is to encourage members to be respectful to the ladies that we care about.

What about this:
 

There is also the circumstance & context of how and where something is said.
I think it's fine on a trans site, to differentiate between:
A female who has a trans background
and
a female who does not.

As to what that term should be, well:, that where the difficulties start.
Let me explain:
Real girl or RG. Well most Ts's will take offence to varying degrees.
Real as opposed to fake or trick
(As in "she had a cock, I had no idea, I was tricked, so that made it ok to kill her" >>>>& the courts nod in agreement & give a minimal sentence )
The girl bit of that phase, suggests not mature enough to think for ourselves or that we should
mindlessly nod and agree with you, all knowing & all wise {like frak!}
Oh, BTW, we are not girls, as we are all old enough to vote. ;)

Genetic girl (or GG) Differentiates us & yes it is technically correct.
{IS persons acknowledged}
It does differentiate us from other women so context in how it is used & by whom [new to trans forums and unknowing about ts etiquette or longer here & should know better]

Natal woman is more acceptable
Trans, even more so
[But not for post-op women, in which case they should always be referred to as women, everywhere, UNLESS THEY THEMSELVES refer to their past {emphasis} history]

It is when a term is used to in some degree belittle us or dehumanise us,
that there is an issue.

Which I'm sure both myself & other ts women here will rightly jump upon.
There is the education aspect as well.
Which can give a greater understanding on how we think & what may be perceived as offensive.
One of my exe's [an 11 year post-op Ts woman] uses the following term in places like here:
Day-one woman>>>>>A woman from the day they were born
&
Not Day-one woman>>>>>A woman at some point after their birth.
Which seems to apply to Post-op, Pre-op & non-op Ts women.

In mainstream life however,
The term: Woman, will suffice.

As is often the case, & the reason why I usually stay out of these conversations, by the time I'm done reading the entire thread I'm so damn confused as to whos who, whats what & why people are offended that I keep to myself & dont get into it.

However, for me its important to say that in my world, if you consider yourself a girl, then youre a girl. A boy, then a boy. If that bothers you, woman & man will do, no harm, no foul. Any explanation beyond that is or should be between the two people discussing it anyway.

As far as I see it, its all about respect, & ultimately that comes down to the individual (& the couple).

oldawg

That's exactly what I have found. I would think that most of the members here would like my posts--but that doesn't seem to be the case. Or people take things out of context or only read part of a post. And then respond negatively to that. I have tried to be a supportive member of this forum but I have decided that enough is enough--I'm through!

This is all crazy talk...when we extract the societal presumptions of sexual roles(i.e reproducing vessel vs protective warrior) it all devolves to just plain ol' rubbing. Yes, I am looking at TS images and accept the arousal that transpires. But I would not classify that arousal as anything more than wanting to love and be loved; to run and be rubbed. Aren't we pretty much the same under and outside of our own skin? Establishing the terms with which we dub one another is just part of the foreplay. I'll stop...for now.

The way I see it every individual should be taken on their own merit. I don't see why a T-girl should be afforded any more or less respect than a G-girl.

The thing that seems to be common with most T-girls is that they revel in their feminity and love to be appreciated for it. Some G-girls seem to just take their femininity for granted and either don't want to, or have forgotten how to, express it.

... or there is more than one way to express femininity...

I know quite a few transgendered people in real life and it really pisses me off at the people that will call them he or she just by what is between their legs, not what they want to be or be referred as. I have a friend named Bri, born Brad, and I find it appalling at the people that still call her Brad. To me it is just disrespectful. I am trying to get her to let me do a photo shoot, so I can post them on here. No nudity I'm sure. LOL:cool:

Thank you very much for creating this thread.

we are all beings and I was just born with a defect my body didnt match my mind sorry but I aam and always will be a woman despite any appearances....Grace A woman always just wish my body matched but I will smile anyhow tee hee

Hi, Ila. Great post. I don't really post here often but I enjoy reading people's perspectives on the whole "trans" gender issue because my girlfriend happens to be a transexual girl and she directed me to this site a long time ago and I read a thought-provoking post so I signed up.

In your defence, I imagine it must be frustrating when men use this site to express their hidden fantasies about being with trans-gendered women as opposed to biological women. However, in their defence, I can understand the infatuation; it's only natural to be curious. But guys, being guys, can obviously get a bit crass - we're an uneducated lot that need slow and steady teaching.

In my personal experience, I've witnessed the broad spectrum of this subject, but I don't presume to understand. I live in the central business district of Sydney (home of Mardi Gras). This is not to insinuate that you belong in a category, I'm merely saying that where I come from probably better equips me for this topic better than most men. I am fortunate enough to be surrounded by a circle of friends who come from all walks of life and sexuality that generally reserves judgement. Maybe this social standing helps me a bit better, maybe it doesn't. I can't say for sure.

However, in my ignorance and perhaps bohemian upbringing, I've never really looked at transgendered women as "TRANSgendered" per se. This is perhaps either cute or stupid. That my girlfriend happens to have a penis is really only subjective in the fact that it's part of her anatomy. Maybe she might have had a vagina, whatever; that's not what attracted me to her because she wasn't naked when I met her.

Sometimes she gets really quiet on this issue and so I don't say anything because I don't want to upset her by seeming pushy, but I know she thinks about it. She broaches the subject sometimes but then falls silent. How can I better understand her? Part of me wants to tell her she's beautiful and to shut up etc but I know that sounds a bit shallow and lacking empathy. Any advice would be appreciated.

Thank you for an informative post. You've given me a better appreciation and I hope I can see things a bit better now. All the best.

women
 

I'm glad this thread exists, largely because it helps me figure out how to properly word my posts. While I've been posting here for a while, I'm not all that involved in the transgendered community. I'm here to learn, and to experience as much of the community as I can since I don't have the option of "coming out" publically any time soon (if ever).

No offence Ladies!
 

Women!!!
The fairer sex!
The better half!
Those graceful creatures!:p

Who can understand them? (when women are incapapable of understanding themselves!)
Women almost always are proud. They have the misconception that the world revolves around themselves. They are frequently offended and holler a big drama out of thin air! All their speeches & actions are focussed on drawing attention, preferrably of the "darker?" sex (men).

If you want to have sex with her, she will call you "lustful, lewd, salacious"!
If you dont ask her for sex, she will complain of being ignored, "not loved anymore"!

Its futile to understand them, for there is nothing to understand.
I think its the hormones!

Aren't stereotypes and generalizations comforting? :no:

Believe me, they are!:yes:

I guess the appropriate response, then, is speak for yourself. I am sure you speak for most others, too. Personally, I find they make me feel diminished and so I work really hard to avoid making them when it comes to people and types/classes/categories/etc. of people.

True, but yet again, not completely.
Types, classes, categories are an integral part of science.
Sociology, psychology, behavior patterns are also true.

Dont take my description of feminine behavior too seriously though.;)

I think transwomen deserve respect.
 

:respect:A lot of transwomen are great people in heart and soul. However a lot of men who like them can't ignore the fact that the pre-ops have cock and maybe they look with fetiche. I feel it bothers many Tgirls.

I could understand those gg who are worried about this for obvious reason.

"Look with fetiche"???

I could be wrong, but I believe vampi means that some transwomen are bothered by the fact that many men fetishize the fact that they have cocks, whereas the transwoman may prefer to be seen as someone who does not have a cock.

Vampi, please correct me if that is not what you mean.

Almost.
I meant that many of them want to be seen more as a person to have a real relationship with, not as sex objects. It is what I find when reading posts here.

I think your use of the word fetish, given what it means, is too unspecific. However, I understand exactly your point. It is an extension of what I wrote in interpretation.

I won't ensure that fetiche is the best way to define a person's particular sex fancy. Just it's the most used term for people when they to that.

In another sense it can be said that we have a duty to "ungender". This is because there is no distinct gender (there is no essential form of categorization). Gendering is imposing exclusivity.

Your statement is specious.

It is? How so?

Here is a fairly straightforward definition of “Ungendering” from Trans 101:

Also you might want to read ila’s original post in this thread. As defined here, the act of “ungendering” is considered quite offensive to trans men and women.

Theoretically I do not privilege any particular way of identification. A single representative term is restrictive.

You are welcome to your opinion, as laden with sophism as it may be (in my opinion). The bottom line is that on this site we respect SELF-DETERMINATION. That means that each of us gets to determine our own gender identification, and you don't get to "ungender" anyone in that respect.

I advocate inclusivity and growth. I am against subjected or self-imposed limitation.

I didn't expect such hostility... :hug:

Again, that's fine. But even if you find it an example of "self-limitation" that someone on this site chooses to identify himself or herself a certain way, you don't get to undo that. Period.

And this isn't "hostility." It's clarity.

Ofcourse. There are times when theorizing is more appropriate than others. Theres a false common-sense idealization of identity which must be overturned in society. Gender is positively multiple.

The accusation of sophism and lack of clarity in my mere "opinion" was pretty hostile. I don't know whether it was intentional, but it did seem so. :innocent:

Let me clear up a couple of things.

First, my comment about "clarity" referred to my posts, not yours -- that is, they were to explain that I was posting my message about ungendering and how we view it on this site for the purpose of clarity.

Second, regarding "sophism": I apologize for not having written more carefully. I did say "as it may be," but that was insufficient for expressing that I was hypothesizing the possibility that your opinions was sophistic (not definitively characterizing it as such). By "sophism" in this regard, I do mean an argument of considerable ingenuity in reasoning that is put forth with the objective of deception. I hypothesized that your argument was designed to deceive the self-identifier (the person who identifies her/his gender in her/his own self-determined way) to accept the rationale of your argument and thus abandon her/his own self-determination. That is, technically, a sort of sophism, but the word sophism does come laden with other baggage in its meaning that was genuinely not intended.

I think it's all about the human mind

Engendering
 

Two personal experiences:

A few months ago, a woman introduced me (genetic male with appearance to match) to another male as "my sister." This other male took me for female, saying to my female friend afterward: "Why does M__ wear male clothes?" When I heard subsequently about this gender confusion, it seemed impossible to me that someone's visual cues could be so heavily influenced by the form of introduction. But then, when I thought further, it became sort of a turn-on, that merely calling someone female was enough to make it so! My self-assessment as male outside and significantly female inside was rewarded!

A few weeks ago, I saw a stage performer whose gender is so genuinely ambiguous that this person rejects all gendered pronouns with respect to this person's self. And it is easy to see that neither "she" nor "he" nor any other gender designation is anything like comprehensively accurate.

In conclusion, just want to affirm that all of us are truly "real" but that reality can be complicated.

Thank you for sharing these two experiences. Your first post is one of the best firsts I have seen on this site. Welcome, and enjoy your time here.

I somehow remembered this thread after I found this article:

http://do-while.com/worlds-most-beau...transvestites/

The continuous use of he/she his/her and expressions like "she's a man" just made me sick :no:

It surprises me how many people don't realize that gender self-identification has nothing to do with sexual preference.

thanks
 

respect to all who like this world, and to all who wish to try

This is a really good thread. I feel I was born a lady and want to be treated like one. When I am dressed up I feel it is an insult to be called a male name. Hope you all don't mind my two cents worth. :innocent:

I especially value the perspective of those for whom the respect we speak of in this thread is shown. Thank you for your contribution.

unjendreing and lack of respect
 

> i saw Vanity on youtube talk about issues most people r still very close minded when it comes to gender accepting one seems very hard for most of society it,s like not in my backyard but some have a lot of skeletons in there closet :yes::yes::yes::respect:

This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:

1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.

2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.

dom4tg

Calling women "women" and men "men" is hardly "politically correct gender terms". One could hazard to say it is simply being correct. The point of this thread is so that people DON"T unintentionally or intentionally insult members of the forum. The site is full of terms that most trans women would not be happy to be called in anything but a porn context with zero comment from the site moderators or the trans women themselves.

One would think that observing the reality that trans women are women wouldn't be controversial here. Individual people have their own individual reasons for liking/desiring/admiring trans bodies and I don't think anyone wants to police the depths of personal desire.

The flip side of this rule is that people don't call "admirers" (chasers, etc.) "fags" - which seems to get most of you all into a massive angst fest. Seems a pretty fair trade to me.

I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.

Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...

Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?

Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.



Controversial as it may be, I think some people regard trans women not as women but as something other...not necessarily less I should add. Indeed, if I saw m-to-f transgender individuals exactly as women, then I would arguably be attracted to genetic females in exactly the same way, which is certainly not the case.

PS - I personally have no objection to being called, fag, chaser etc., because I confident in my own sexuality/identity that such labels don't mean that much to me. I also accept that gender and sexuality are slippery subjects and it is tempting for people to apply labels for simplicity, whether these are appropriate or not.

dom4tg

You have only just joined the site and your two posts have been to complain about the site. I have a constructive suggestion for you; if you don't like the site or the rules then feel free to leave.

Offence or no offence ?
 

Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.

No :respect: from me yet - sorry !

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Bella, for putting it so well.

It does not matter if I make 2 posts or 200 posts - that should not affect the validity of a comment. The fact is, I don't dislike the site, I just dislike PC nonsense being rammed down my throat by a bunch of hypocrites.

Thanks for making it even clearer that this is the kind of site I want nothing to do with.


Apologise ? Do you think that's likely ? The point is that 'offence' in this case is only offence based on daft pc rules - and I see no place for that whatsover in an adult / porn site - no offence (sincerely).

I'll make it easy for you to have nothing to do with this site.

The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.

And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!

Well said! :respect:

I read what "dom4tg" said and see that he is already banned. It is sad that he really does feel this way. I don't know how old he is but his attitude and beliefs do not sound very "grown up" to me. I guarantee they will not take him far in the real world.

Don't have much to say except that if he decides to come back he may wish to read my post of a few weeks ago: "An Open Letter to My Friends."

Andy

:respect: for all who stood up to him.

Ah, the old MTF problem, that no matter where we go, we can't escape dicks. :p

Now that you are banned, I seriously doubt that you'll even read this but I am going to post this anyhow.

There are many members(the majority actually) here that ARE NOT in the pornography business(and even if they are, they are still deserving of respect) and there are MANY threads here that have nothing to do with pornography at all.

Your posts here, and your attempts at justifying them, just shows that you don't get it at all.:no:

Unless there's a racist guy in the kitchen who spunks in black people's burgers....

In my opinion, "real women" or "fake women women" are just terms that are not only offensive, but stupid as "women" is the only word that should be used by everyone. Doesn't matter the genitals, it matters the fact that you are women and shouldn't care about what others say, either if the say it out of not knowing or out of hatred...so be happy and peace!:respect:

My thoughts on real woman
 

I prefer to refer to transsexuals as real woman, and the other as gg. Follow the link...:heart:


http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpo...&postcount=223

Bull..it
 

In my opinion shemales are the real women in this world. ciswomen aren't cause they look different and aren't that smart as shemales! So , viva shemales!

I think t-girlsare far, far more beautiful than genetic girls. You name me one single genetic gril who is as beautiful as Bailey Jay or Danni Daniels.:turnon:

It's all relative
 

I have been with a handful of so-called shemales and more women and I can tell you the difference is purely physical. I have met a lot of people in my life and all of them have been different. It really depends on the person. Everyone we meet is a true individual and whether or not you are into them sexually or not is what it comes down to. I have been around enough to know that everyone is looking for their own thing. I have known TGirls that are 100% females in how they interact with our world and have also known so-called trannies that are men in dresses, so I know what IO am talking about. i think people use terms insensitively but for the most part mean well.

shemales
 

I think that shemales are a god send because they have the beuty in there face and nice tits and of course the tasty dick in between there legs I have always wanted to date and eventually marry a shemale

Calling them shemales is probably not going to get you too many marriage offers. Why don't you just call them women, as that is what they are?:)

Also, I hope there would be more reasons that you would wish to marry her than just her "face, tits, and tasty dick".

Found this today while out browsing for something else entirely... Very interesting and informative.

http://www.queerty.com/lets-learn-th...void-20110620/

Wow, this is an unbelievable thread.

You banned a guy for sharing an opinion that did not align with your own. He was not disrespectful in any way, was not belligerent or hostile and I doubt his intent was to pick a fight. I think he genuinely just wanted to share his opinion because he disagreed with previous posts and he was immediately threatened by several members of this forum and then banned. You should be ashamed of yourselves for being such hypocrites.

He came here to talk and you all just shut him down. If it's your goal to change the hearts and minds of people that you deem disrespectful in regards to transgender issues then you are failing at this task miserably. You have to be open to discussion and you will certainly be confronted by many that do not agree with your views. Even after a civil argument, they still will not agree with you in most cases. You need to understand that your views are opinion and not words of righteousness, just like dom4TGs views are his opinion. You could have at least had a 2 sided conversation instead of simply stroking each other off.

Your conduct toward dom4tg was basically totalitarian and insanely hypocritical. You basically proved dom4tg's very first point by banning him. He wins this argument.

The same goes for the overall theme of this thread, disregarding the scuffle with dom4tg for a second. You're basically setting a tone of "respect the lingo OR ELSE!" for this site. It's absurd that you all think you have the right to not be offended. It's called life. You are free to do all you can do to try and change the world, but you can't blow your lid the second somebody offends you. Well, you can, but don't expect positive results.

Lastly, as mentioned previously, this is a porn site, plain and simple. You want to have serious discussions about respect for transgendered people, maybe think about moving this forum to a more suitable domain. This is seriously laughable. I know for me and many others, outright and blatant disrespect of a person, whether it's physical, verbal, or psychological, can be a huge part of a sexual fantasy. So you shouldn't be at all offended or surprised when you see terms like "tranny" or "shemale" tossed around at a place like this. Quite small offenses in the grand scheme of things.

I am not dom4tg and I do not know him at all. I'm simply expressing my opinion after having read through the thread. And seeing how you handled dom4tg, I fully expect to be banned for dissenting. You can hide behind all the justifications you want and deflect any points about the real argument here, but at the end of the day all you're doing is failing to face facts and conducting a biased, extremely unfair forum.

My own observation is that these members that smc has banned and others like them simply come in here looking for trouble—like they do all over the Internet. They claim that the moderators are “picking on” them or whatever but then at the same time they want to be able to insult anyone that they choose.

As many others have pointed out this is a “private” forum with rules. One is to be respectful of other members. It amazes me that any member would want to use derogatory language toward someone that they, by becoming a member here, would claim to admire.

The use of demeaning language towards any group is one step towards not seeing them as individuals, maybe not seeing them as human beings, and then maybe thinking that perhaps discrimination or violence towards them is OK. Unfortunately, history is filled with far too many examples of this.
Violence towards gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals is very real.

smc is a personal friend of mine outside this forum and I think he does an excellent job of moderating this place. Trying to balance the “porn” aspect of this forum with the serious discussion of social issues is a daunting task. But I guess sometimes smc isn’t “totalitarian and insanely hypocritical” enough. :lol:

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i want to apologize for any ungendering remarks i made.it was strictly unintentional and from now on will pick my words more carefully.to me transexuals are women like any other but with a bonus.:)

i did not read the entire thread, but speaking to the thread's title, there's simply two genders.

Male
Female

all that falls in between are 'abnormalities' in sense that somewhere along the genetic coding and biochemical make up, an abnormality occurred that caused said gender to act out of line to the 'majority' or 'norm'.

with that being said, this is to be respected and recognized, violence or out right hate is not a viable way to react or deal with this reality.

Also, for all that fall in between, they might disagree with my statements, but i think this is due to their unique position in life and their strive to find a solid identity that can be 'official'.

Did not read the entire post, but ---just my opinion of you.

(I apologize in advance to anyone other than the intended recipient -Interesting- who might be offended by this.)

yes yes, i'm soo bad. At least i wrote down semi-coherent thoughts in my quoted post, why can't you? or are you automatically offended if i don't sub in 'i love shemale cock' in every post i make?

You have said it better than I could even think of. Well done. :hug::kiss:

This is a wonderful post! I began my journey as a transgendered woman nearly four years ago. During that time I've been labeled a crossdresser, shemale, t-girl, tranny, freak, etc. As stated I prefer the term transgender or transwoman but I'm not offended if some refers to me by a perjorative title like shemale. I consider the source! I "label" myself a "transcougar" and "cumslut" in here but it's sort of a joke and all meant in fun. It doesn't mean I want to be degraded! I enjoy sex and there is nothing wrong with that!

In some respects I've left myself open for such labels. I like to go out to nightclubs that are GLBT friendly and I embrace the attention that I sometimes receive. I realize that I am different and will never look totally like a genetic female but I don't give a shit! I'm a good person and a lot of people think I'm cute, sexy and know that I'm a good person! At all times I demand respect. If anyone talks to me in less than a respectful way I will at the very least ignore them! If they degrade me or in any way threaten me physically the fight is on! I learned martial arts in the military and became quite accomplished in defending myself. It's always funny to see the look on a bully's face when a "tranny" kicks his cowardly ass!

Melissa Pink
Transcougar and Cum Slut

Melissa, I think you might have just stumbled upon a business opportunity ... perhaps not a get-rich-quick scheme, but certainly something that might bring in a few bucks. I am sure I am not the only person here who eschews buying pay-per-view boxing and wrestling matches on cable television but might consider tuning in to watch a real bully/hater get his ass kicked by you! ;)