Would a TS escorting rule out romance?
 

No it doesn't rule out a relationship. The big question for me would be "if this relationship develops into a commitment to each other would I want her to continue as an escort?" If we were truly commited to each other and we took the relationship all the way to marriage then of course I would not want her to continue working as an escort.

I would not be put off by the fact she was a sex worker, but if we fell in love, I would think she wouldn't want to continue if we've made a comittment to each other.

No it wouldnt bother me at all. The same rule must be applied to my future (i hope) tgirl lover as I do to my wife, ie if and when my wife gets into sex work it doesnt matter cos we have a full trusting relationship and she would have a job that she really enjoys and makes a lot of money so there is no reason why I would have a diffrent attitude to a tgirl lover of corse not.

yes yes yes

oh pleeease... wake up, melissa baby... this is a weird question! you don't get it, do you?

U must be kidding..:confused:

how am I kidding? this is a totaly legitimate question from a TS escort.

How about you wake up. Here are the questions I read on this board:

who would you like to piss on you?
Where do the older ladyboys go?
Are you giving up on real girls forever?
Do you eat your own cum?


Now those are fucked up questions. Makes me wonder how much free time these people have. Get real, get some perspective and learn some respect.

My question was a good one, it's from a bonafide escort and it's based on real-life experiences.

I agree with you Melissa. It is a good bonafide question and it deserves respect and honest answers. Some people may not agree with the question or even the OP, but that is no reason to denigrate the OP or the question.

Melissa.. yeah I think this is a valid question... and a complicated one. I would have so say that if I was the least bit lesbian, I would have no issue dating a current or former sex-worker... after all, a gal's gotta eat.

For some reason I thought (hoped) it was different for "working girls". Like the guys would be more respectful or something... not sure why.

Hi Melissa,

It's a valid question. I would leave the decision to the girl and if she wanted to continue working, I'd have no problems with it. So long as there is trust, I don't think the physical body matters much. However, I'd like her to be chosy about her clients, especially since I'd want to spend time with her!

Cham

I don't think it matters if she is an escort when you meet, as long as one is able to accept that when that relationship develops that she would consider not doing it anymore and letting me :) take care of her, but if she would want to continue the work after we were in a relationship I would have to think about staying if she wanted to keep working.

Ok none of this maters wheter its tgirl or your wife or gf. None of this bs phycholigal mumbo jumbo means anything.
Any relationship, no matter what, LOVE, TRUST, RESPECT and TOTAL HONESTY.
If u have all those nothing matters at all outside of that, ie if that means having sex as a job, or for pleasure so what?
If anyone knew real love u would understand that no questions or dilemmas need apply!

Well thats pretty elitist and offers nothing to the conversation. Fact is, being a sex worker does complicate things and that is the purpose of the poll. You guys need to stop swimmimng in fantasyland and think about the reality. You guys speak in idealistic terms and describe a near perfect universe where men respect and treat TS wonderfully but the reality is it's all talk. Ther reality is you are in your cubicle and the boss is not watching so you can mutter a few grand thoughts to the crowd in between projects.

I'm sick of the false reality I smell on this forum and I'm gonna keep it fresh and real. Most of you have not even dated a TS let alone had a relationship with one.

Ok some people need to calm down. I may have been misunderstood, but i was not talking about a stand point of tgirls I was talking about human beings. And whether it is a tgirl or a wife, or a husband, gf, bf, etc it really doesnt matter.
Because the bottom line is this, no matter who your other half is, if u have full unconditional trust and love then it doesnt matter a damn what either partner does for a living!
Maybe people should sort out their regular relationships before waxing lytical about grandious social gestures. We are all humans in a hard world, the very few lucky ones who find real love do not ever need to worry about support or love because their other half who ever they maybe will ALWAYS be there.
Life is not a game its real. Best of luck to all!

As a Tgirl who is actually trying to do something with her life, going to college and avoiding sex work, I'm appalled at the acceptance people have of this profession. Transsexual girls and women are EXTREMELY susceptible to the lure of escorting, hooking, whatever, even more so than genetic women, because other Tgirls who are supposed to be teaching them end up promoting this kind of job instead of pushing them toward a good work ethic.

You can be a tgirl and have a legal career (remember, prostitution is illegal in some areas) and earn your money legitimately. A few other tgirl friends of mine agree that when people begin to accept escorting, it does nothing to get girls out of it.

It's nice that we can look past what people do, but honestly, the chances for STDs are high, the chances of having a dangerous encounter with a client are high, and it's a risky business. It's better to encourage our fellow tgirls to try and make something of themselves instead of falling into the much stereotyped role of "tranny prostitute". It makes those of us who are trying to break through that caricature frustrated!

Ok you asked for a real reply and here is my attempt at a real reply because I still think you are missing my point. Is this a crusade as to the hard life a lot of tgirls have or is this a general debate on lovers when one works in the sex industry. Because thats all it is ie an industry, a job, and so what if she likes it, wouldnt any loved one wish for their other half to enjoy their job! Obviously getting up at 3 am is hard work etc, but who hasnt worked a few night shifts or awkward hours.
I really have to say the bottom line yet again, if true love exists between 2 people then no matter what they do or happens doesnt matter because at the end of the day the partners in whatever combination are together as one.
I truly am sorry if the people arguing against me have not experienced this feeling of total and utter trust and love, but it really is there for anyone honest, and the best time to find it is when you are not looking for it.
Sorry to anyone I may offend.

I think that was a more honest answer and thank you. My point was, because it sounds like you're not sure what I objected to, it's easy to say in idealistic terms "love conquers all". But in realisitic terms a man may not be so open-minded if he lives with and loves an escort. In theory, though I agree with you that love, respect, honesty and trust is the foiundation for any relationship.

Umm. You don't have to believe that I'm actually a TS who isn't a prostitute, but I am, and it saddens me that you are so blinded by your own delusions that you cannot see that there are actually quite a few successful Transsexual women working as doctors, lawyers, even my friend works for PR and has had plenty of success.

You're not measuring the tolerance for TS, you're measuring the acceptance of prostitution. You're doing our community a disservice by promoting escorting, because as you said before, men want to be alone with us for a half hour or so, but where is our actual worth in society? In a bed with dollar bills being flung at is? Do you measure yours in clientele? I measure mine in knowing I'm getting an education and maintaining some dignity, as well as breaking the barriers society as created for us.

PS: The old "Pretty Woman Prostitute with a Heart of Gold" fairy tale is nice in theory, but doesn't work out in reality.

Well, I think this is the heart of the whole debate. Right here, in this one reply from you, Melissa. There's obviously a very definite line separating something as being "idealistic" and it being "realistic" -- simply because it draws a line in the sand on where each of us stands personally with regards to a matter of the heart.

I believe love can conquer all. That's not necessarily a catch phrase, at least not to me. I've seen it in action, and I've seen many a couple beat the odds against them. But we also have to stop and think about something here. The whole POINT of the saying "Love conquers all" is that implies that two people will love each other SO much that they will overcome all obstacles for the betterment of BOTH. So that BOTH will now have better lives. In short, at its core, the saying implies that there is also an end result that is to be attained. And that's where your original question doesn't have a right or wrong answer -- all anyone can really toss back is an answer that works for them personally.

Look, I dated an escort once. Met her in a funny way (non-sexual and in public)...we hit it off...exchanged phone numbers...started calling and talking for hours, became instant friends and even closer....dated...and then she dropped the bomb about "what" she really did for a living on the side. I thought she had a normal day job (which she did), but she then supplemented her income with some high paying escort work.

And I really cared about her and she really seemed to care about me. It wasn't a question of did we like each other -- we did. But I think the most common thinking on this matter is that IF you fall for someone who works such a job..that is, works in the sex industry (be it an escort, porn star, cam girl, etc)...it's just inevitable that the couple is going to reach a point where you just HAVE to look each other in the eye and ask what ultimately becomes the MOST honest and soul-baring questions of all...

WHAT is most important: the money or the relationship?
WHO is more important in your life: your lover or your clients?
WHICH means more to you: spending time with your lover (where you are building a true partnership of being equals) or being with your clients (where things could now be tilted and imbalanced, and you might feel a certain level of power and control over them?)

This started with you asking a basic question: Could you date someone (in this case a TS)
who turned out to be an escort? Who engaged in that line of work to get by?

Well, in my opinion, I think the answer that most guys will give is what I call the PRETTY WOMAN response (based on the hit Richard Gere/Julia Roberts movie). Sure, most guys would love to meet a sexy woman/TS...most guys would love the thrill of an instant attraction...to fall in love and find a soul mate who is both fun, lively, and has a distinct sexual energy. We all dream about finding someone like that.

The only problem is THEN they pretty much want the same ending as in the movie. In other words, you want the compromise ending where Richard Gere accepts her for who she is...he's willing to look beyond her line of work...but at the same time, Julia Roberts realizes that to have a true, loving, one-on-one relationship she has to give up her life as a street walker. That THAT lifestyle is just not going to work if she's going to win Richard Gere's heart and BE the kind of lover that he needs. To fulfill his views on love and a committed elationship.

So, it's like I said -- the question is fair, but it just comes down to what the two people can live with as a couple. "Love conquers all" is a valid statement, but as I said before the whole POINT of the statement is that you BOTH get to a place that you BOTH want to be. And if you BOTH aren't there, then it's a crippled relationship. It's always going to be lopsided and tilted and off kilter because one partner is always going to feel that they had to give in on something very important to them.

In fact, here's something else to consider: you changed the question mid-stream. Your original question was "Could you date an escort", but like I said many people might give the PRETTY WOMAN answer and say "Sure, so long as in the end she leaves that life behind once I agree to love her and take care of her. That we'll work towards a better life TOGETHER...even if we have to struggle a bit...but the important thing is that we ARE together."

But then you changed the question and the internal dynamics. Suddenly you said: "Don't speak in concepts, which is all I see so far, really imagine it happening. The woman you love, the woman you built a life with. She's sucking off strangers. She may even be liking it."

Well, THAT'S a whole other story now, isn't it? Suddenly it's gone from two people being in love...trying to build something together...but you've just changed the ground rules. Suddenly NOW it's about one partner wanting SUCH an active sex life that she wants ADDITIONAL partners -- she wants to suck off complete strangers (as you put it) and even gets off on it. THAT certainly alters things, don't you think? After all, how am I supposed to believe that someone really loves me...wants to build a life with me...when in truth they want to turn around and say "Oh, and by the way, I want to be with these other guys TOO."

And going back to myself, that was what broke up me and my ex. In the end, she couldn't walk away from the life because she liked the feeling of power it gave her...she was intoxicated by the money she could make...she wanted the sexual liberty to sleep with other guys. And at that point, as I said, it's no longer a question of "Would you date an escort?" versus "Why should I be dating someone who isn't giving me what I really need to have a fulfilling relationship?" At that point it just comes down to each person and what they personally need to find a good fit...to feel that the relationship they're in is actually strong or that it's going somewhere.

So, I'll say it again: I think the general answer you'll get from most guys is the PRETTY WOMAN response. Sure, it's an enticing and sexually exciting and blood rushing way to perhaps START a relationship, but I think most people would want it to transition into something more stable and traditional -- that is IF you're trying to become an actual couple with long term plans to be together AS a couple.

Maybe you should look at the question again. This is what it very clearly states

A relationship means more than just dating. A relationship is a commitment of at least two people to one another.

The question wasn't changed. Melissa just explained further what an escort does.

Man I hate when T-gals snipe other gals for being escorts. I attribute my own mainstream employment as much to luck as some pretty messed up body-image issues.

Yes, there are t-gals who are business owners, professors, doctors, lawyers, models, singers, actresses, writers, truck drivers, construction workers, any profession you can name. But.. lets be clear about some reality.

Many "succesful" Trans* were successful BEFORE their transition and were lucky enough to remail within their company. Many successful Trans* are deeply in denial about being trans* to keep their employment. Merely gaining employment is an ordeal for lots and lots of us.

That said, I HATE painting sex work as a last resort - like sex workers need pity and sympathy for the cruel world. I OWN my body, the fact I have tits and and took the risk to surgically alter my face attests to that. If I CHOOSE to pay my rent by having sex with someone it's my body and I have full agency as an adult.

Tranny sex-workers don't do shit for or against social acceptance. It's the same tires arguement used by the gays "why are the leather guys and drag queen shown on TV when there are so many normal homos". Rest the blame where it belongs - society, particularly men, who can only relate to trans*women as objects and not as people.

As far as being in a relationship with an escort, as long as she is OK with you having to go on business trips, stay late at the office, have a long commute, or what ever could be related to the arguement that she isn't spending time with her fella. Being a professional escort does not preclude one for looking for a relationship built on something other than hourly rates.

Creating A Stir Again Are You?
 

MEL,

Girlfriend, you really know how to push buttons. Nothing wrong with your question, but sex sells is the saying. On this forum that seems to command the lion's share of attention to the exclusion of the biggest sex organ: the brain.

First, a man that falls in love with you will know what's between your legs, and liked it, enjoyed it.

Second, he'll be very sexually oriented: think cannot get enough.

That leaves 3 ways to go.

1. No way.
2. Yes, with the escort business being over.
3. Anything goes. Open relationship for both partners.

If you want to continue, you give up 1 of 2 possibilities.

A question for you. He is okay with your job, but he doesn't want to limit having sex with only you. He says it doesn't mean anything, just like your job. Are you okay with him having an unlimited numbers of sex partners, as long as you're special?

Good hunting,

TAL

I had to join the "Depends" crowd. Anything is possible. I try not to look at things in black and white so to speak. I fail at it regularly though. LOL

One side of me says, If we developed strong feelings for each other. I actually would prefer if she left the industry behind.

The other side of me, the kinky and submissive side. Says this could lead to a hell of a lot of fun for the both of us. Of course mutual consent between her and I would be a rule of thumb.

Sooooo......It depends.

Why do you think we're looked at as sex objects? The blame goes both ways, both for men and the escorting tgirls, so don't try to pass it off when you're the one selling yourself in the first place. How can you possibly think men could consider you as a person when you're giving them a price for sex? Come on. You want your cake and eat it, too, so if you're genuinely confused as to why men aren't really interested in getting serious with you when they find out you lie on your back grabbing cash from a nightstand for a living, you have a lot more issues to go along with your body-image ones.

Having sex with other men while in a supposed "loving" relationship isn't really giving the relationship all you could give it. To think that escorting should be looked upon with less consideration as a freckle is preposterous, and any decent man worth a damn wants a woman who not only loves him but herself as well, and she can't provide either to the full extent if she's hooking.

Just because we're all part of the transsexual community does not mean we have to embrace each other for going down paths that are self-destructive. If you're not wanting pity, why have you posted about the woes of finding a real relationship? ...It's not just coincidence.

How about you take about five steps back lady. Firstly, I'm not an escort. Seconly, I refuse to make an escort a handy "out" for a lack of social understanding. It's so convenient to lay that at an already marginalized group (sex workers, women of color, poor women) rather than take it where it needs to go.

Why can't a woman lover herself and escort? Why must a woman escort out of a lack of self-respect? Why should escorting preclude a relationship? Your statements are colored by quite a few assumptions. I have found that talking with people before you talk about them can be quite helpful.

The only differance between trans* sex-work and cis sex-work is the sex workers are all people see for trans*women. That isn't the fault of the trans*women.

Uhh... yeah it is.

(The ones who escort, for clarification.)

Bravo Bionca you hit the nail on the head. Its presumptuous and insulting to hear this tired rhetoric and don't forget its coming from a nameless faceless person. For all we know its just another guy with too much free time.
Thanks bionca

More cutting edge truth from the man behind the computer lol.


Don't you have a sermon to give?

God bionca that is so damn good its worth re stating. Why can't a woman love herself and be an escort?

This great moralist presumes that there is something wrong with escorting when it is simply just another vocation and a well paying one at that. If he would read my story as I suggested although clearly he did not he would see that

A. I was a management professional a position few TS are able to achieve and

B. I have up on the corporate world and voluntarily chose escorting as a more viable and lucrative option.

Lol. You two might want to take a few steps back yourselves and look at what you're actually saying. The absurdity behind your self-justification is astounding. You even chose to escort. Why you still ponder about your love lives is beyond me. The answer should be glaringly obvious.

For me, the fact that a TS escort is pretty likely to encounter violence -a lot more so than if she's not escorting- is a point worth considering. I wouldn't want my GF to end up in hospital.

Who said my love life was in question? That's yet another presumption on your part and shows how little you know about me or the subject. You yap without facts that should be your name in native American he who yaps without facts.

You might want to get a profile and stop yapping from behind your anonymous wall.

You could probably stand to read some basic 3rd wave feminism. Julia Serano and Camille Paglia come to mind.

I stepped back and looked at escorting years ago - by talking to women who did it. What justification is needed, and what justification are you seeing? Melissa *ghasp* CHOSE to escort - my goodness - and she even admits it. I know, she should have the common decency to hide from public view. Nothing worse than having to see someone *like that* in the day light /scarcasm off

So tell me about my love life? What do you think is so obvious?

Safety is an issue for all transwomen. Escorts are more vulnerable, but I wouldn't say "a lot" more.

re poll
 

Absolutely no problem Malissa. Your poll shows the majority understand your situation. I would even like to fly over there to meet you....and Im not joking. rgds lba

If you get infected with an STD, would you stop hooking, or would you choose to continue despite the risk of spreading what you got? If you got infected by a client, would you tell them? What about the person you're in a relationship with? What would happen to your "business"?

The irony is you find this job so empowering to yourself when really you're playing into the hands of your circumstances. You think you've gotten this amazing freedom but you're actually right where people have expected you to be, as far as being transsexual. You're being just as insulting, as if morality is old news, and I suppose a good work ethic has gone away with that as well. You took the easy way out and you're surprised when someone disagrees with it. Not all of us are going to be pinned down like that, as much you think we should "work with what we got" as it's said, because sex and fantasy fulfillment are not the only things we're capable of. Don't you see? Any man with a 9-5 may be handing you their paychecks, but at the end of the day you're just the prostitute he went to on the side, more than likely not wanting anyone to know about you. Empowering to know you're reduced to a bottom shelf paper bag? You are a bottom feeder, you had a legitimate career but you were too lazy to hold anymore ambition.

Oh, and I don't even go to church.

I wonder, smolderingtemptress, why you think that society expects transwomen can only be escorts. I expect a transwoman will be what she wants to be and go as far as her capabilities will take her. Most other people are the same in that they will be what they want to be and go as far as their capabilities will take them.

Melissa has said that she is an escort and she likes it. That is her decision and I'm sure no one told that is all she is capable and expected of doing. I'm not sure why you feel that you are being negatively impacted because of what Melissa has chosen to do. My only advice to anyone would be to get on with your own life and worry less about what others have chosen to do with their's. The career choices of others in no way impact nor reflect on you.

How many times have you repeated that to yourself before you started to believe it? What feelings did you have to kill before you became comfortable making a living sucking off strangers?

The problem is, ila, that ts escorts DO reflect upon the rest of us. We're already a marginalized and misunderstood minority, and if this forum is any indication, seen largely as a sexual fetish. Prostitution is a plague in our community, because all too often young tgirls just starting out have no one to look to for advice besides these women, like Melissa, who take it upon themselves to paint a glamorized portrayal of escorting without even taking into account all the risks involved. Sure, it pays the bills, but at what price?

Why would anyone want to see girls turn into prostitutes? Honestly.

Well, just for the record that's not entirely true. The original question asked by Melissa was (quote): "If you met a TS, fell head over heels for her, but then found out she is an escort/adult entertainer does it rule out the chances for a relationship?"

So, just as a philosophical aside, there is this to consider: Yes, it's true that Melissa's day-to-day activities as an escort may not have an effect on our own day-to-day lives since they don't actually intersect. However, by asking us to give our opinions on this topic, it does "reflect on us" because now everyone is sharing their personal feelings or their own deeply held convictions on things -- such as how they feel about escorting or sex work overall, not to mention revealing how they'd react emotionally if confronted by this situation. After all, that was the whole point of the question to begin with.

So, yes, all of our answers here do reflect on us since we're each stating what we believe in.
And that's about as much of a reflection as you can get.

You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you. Nor does her choice of what she does reflect on who you are, what you are, or what you do. No one forms an opinion of you based on what Melissa does.

She formed an opinion of me based on my disagreement with her choice of profession.

Well, while I wish you well in life on a humanistic level and you have the right to make your own choices, Melissa, I wouldn't go THAT far. Personally, I think it does matter if money is earned "legal or illegal." And I certainly don't believe that anyone should be allowed to hide behind the all-encompassing blanket excuse of "It only matters that you make it. It's what you do after you make the money that matters." I mean, that's certainly an incredibly slippery slope of conditional morality -- perpetually convenient only to the person and not showing any responsibility to anyone else or to society as a whole.

For example, I'll use an example that I used before: what about a guy who peddles drugs to young kids at a local school yard? Apply your own equation to that. That guy is making his money by doing something illegal. And in terms of the cash he's pocketing, he's living by your other rule that it only matters that you make it. So completely following through with what you said -- "It's what you do after you make the money that matters" -- are you actually telling us that if he now uses that money to take his elderly mom out for dinner on Mother's Day that THAT made peddling drugs to little kids okay? That because he did something nice for his mom after the drug sale, THAT justified his actions?

Now, on the other hand, maybe what you were simply trying to say is that there are some things that you believe SHOULDN'T be illegal -- such as escorting. Maybe it's your personal belief that more communities should legalize sex work, that it shouldn't be an illegal trade. That would be a different argument and one I could accept more willingly or intellectually than a blanket statement that it doesn't matter AT ALL how someone makes their money, just that they make it. In other words, that the ends ALWAYS justify the means. I think most people would find that viewpoint to be rather extreme or going a bit too far.

Well, that's a whole other argument. History has shown us that people might be more forgiving of things, but overall it's far more interesting to note that historically morality hasn't changed much at all. I mean, personality traits such as being lazy or lecherous or a drunk were looked down on in ages past, and they still are now. And certainly more serious things such as thievery and murder were not tolerated then, nor are they now.

So, I would argue that morality hasn't changed, but rather how we deal with any perceived transgressors. In times of old, you might have stoned to death or hung a murderer versus today that person might still be put to death (depending on how heinous the crime was), only today you might also have anti-capital punishment people arguing to simply lock the person away for the rest of their lives.

As for people who believe in God or hold certain higher beliefs, I wouldn't necessarily label them "zombies." Much like you've made certain choices in life and would like people to respect you for them...or at least allow you to practice them...why shouldn't they be allowed to do the same? Or be allowed to believe in certain things without your open mocking? Otherwise you're now showing how intolerant you can be as well, at which point the wheel just spins around and intolerance continues to be the norm. And then no one is served since the cycle just keeps going on and on...

I didn't form an opinion of you based on what Melissa said. I am capable of forming my own opinions and I don't listen to others when I do so.

My statement may not have been quite clear. What I mean is that no one is going to form an opinion of you or anyone else just because Melissa is an escort.

Wait a minute -- now I'm confused. It was one thing to be debating the notion of escort work and could you (or couldn't you) have a relationship with a so-called "working professional girl." That's one thing. But, Melissa, why wouldn't you give a rat's ass about other people? Certainly about any fellow T-girls or as Bionca called them in a previous post "all your fellow sisters"?

You seem a bit angry in so forcefully declaring "Why would I give a rat's ass about young T-girls and advice I should be giving them? Do you think anyone gave me advice?" Well, perhaps that's true. Perhaps no one did give you any advice. Perhaps you had to make this journey on your own and you had many obstacles to overcome. But having done it and having reached this point in life -- where you say you're happy with who you are, and that you enjoy the money you're making as an escort or doing your art and all that -- it seems to me that now you're being a bit harsh.

Sorry, but here's my two cents worth.
In the end, the world breaks down into two types of people...

TYPE 1: Those who had a rough time in life, trying to climb certain ladders or open certain doors, and who were left a bit angry about the way the world treated them -- and thus they feel the next person coming up the ladder or trying to open a door, trying to make it in the world, should have to go through the same bullshit and pain. In short: "Hey, if I had to put up with the bullshit, so do you!!!"

VERSUS

TYPE 2: Those who had a rough time in life or met certain obstacles, and who now want TO HELP the next person in line. Who want to TURN their life experiences into a learning tool to help and spare the next person all of that same pain. In short: a person who wants to use their life to make things better and easier for the next person in line.

Melissa, in your own words, you may feel that you "own this thread" because you believe in your escort career choice, but I hardly think you own this thread on a more human level IF you really don't give a rat's ass about any other T-girls and the plights they are facing. IF you don't care about them facing persecution or societal rejection or even for their feelings as they possibly find their hearts broken on a daily basis. I HOPE that's not how you really feel, and that you just misspoke above in a moment of haste.

After all, isn't the truest measure of us as human beings...of our true worth...being how we help each other? That we DO give a "rat's ass" about each other?

It's not a reach at all -- it's just you siding with Melissa and not even getting the point that I was making.
In fact, you ultimately ended up AGREEING with me, Ila.

You just said (quote): "You're really reaching now. As you go about your daily life the actions of Melissa in no way impact on you."

Well, compare that to what I actually said before (quote): "Yes, it's true that Melissa's day-to-day activities as an escort may not have an effect on our own day-to-day lives since they don't actually intersect."

Gee, seems to me I said the exact same thing!
So what are you bitching about?!

Nowhere in my posts did I condemn Melissa FOR being an escort. All I did was answer her original question. And for the record, here's my answer again: I think most guys would want the PRETTY WOMAN movie ending. Given this particular dramatic scenario (as postulated by Melissa), a guy would meet a TS...they'd fall in love...but once he found out that she was working as an escort, he'd want her to give up her job -- whether she found something else to do or whether he supported her himself -- so their romance could continue on. And so it would be on far more stable emotional ground. Period, end of story. That's my opinion, and I think most guys...on average...would feel that way.

And for the record, that's NOT even an indictment on someone who chooses to work as an escort. That's not a pro or con statement on the profession. Frankly, what it IS a statement about is the emotional state of most guys. That most guys wouldn't feel comfortable knowing that their significant other was a sex worker. Hell, we're talking about your lover working as an escort -- about her actually having sex with other people. Most guys I know who have even dated strippers or cam girls, who simply take their clothes off and get naked for other guys (and no sex is involved) likewise want their GFs to quit their jobs once the romance turns serious. That's just the way it normally goes for most guys.

Now, Ila, if you want to side with Melissa in everything she says and does, that's fine. That's YOUR choice and it's you voicing YOUR opinion based on YOUR beliefs about what's right and wrong. In the end, it's a reflection of YOUR personal standards and what YOU believe in.

Which was exactly the point of my post, which you missed completely.

Bottom line again: Melissa asked us all a question, the answer to which ultimately revealed each of our own moral standards and beliefs. That was the whole POINT of her question -- which is why it was a fun question to begin with. Not because it had a right or wrong answer, but because the answer that each person gave would ultimately say and reveal something about THEMSELVES.

So, I stand by what I said. HOW we all answered IS a reflection on each of us because it reveals what we EACH believe.

Luckily for me I have a good job that allow me complete a transition. But I'm positive I will be fired from it once I do transition. The reason I say this is because it happened to the transwoman that worked there last year. When my boss found out that she was not genetic he told her that if she sucked him off he would allow her to keep her job. She did and he fired her anyway saying to her "do you really think I'd keep a freal like you on my workforce." While he spat at her.

This transwoman happens to be a good friend of mine. She is helping me with my transition. But she finds it extremely hard to find a job in the city being that she is a transwoman. So she decided that she would be an escort. And she finds the job rather fulfilling.

If I run into the same situation I also may CHOOSE to become an escort. And there is nothing wrong with that. I can only hope that I will meet a man that is understanding and doesn't care that I am an escort, if I CHOSE to become one.

And by the way smolderingtemptress, I have a masters degree and still might not be able to get a job or might just CHOSE to escort because for all I know I might like it. So please sit back and stop implying that transwomen who escort are basically crap. Because they aren't and just for implying it, you're the one who is CRAP.

Isn't it funny how people rise to their highest moral levels on these discussion boards? These are the same people who cut you off in traffic, find your wallet and keep your money, talk behind a co-worker's back for their own personal gain, take a vow to be faithful then cheat routinely, see a homeless person approach for money and ignore them....and yet suddenly here I am face to face, on a porn discussion board of all places, with St Francis of Azzizi.

A truly retarded example. Nowhere do I advocate the abuse of children or violence against another human. So if you have to be technical about it, allow me to qualify my statement and say, "as long as your business does not involve the abuse of/or violence towards others." Jeez, spare us the bullshit.

No, thats not what I was saying. I can speak clearly and form sentences on my own, thank you. No, it is better that escorting is illegal. There's more money and less competition. And I'll put my fine ass up against any of the competition. I'm the number one rated girl in New Jersey and some say the East Coast.


I don't need to show tolerance to this twit. I asked a question to the group and was personally attacked by this individual. I only need to defend myself, which I do quite well. I buried that con artist, he's shown the readers nothing of substance. He called me a plague. A plague. Re-read his words. Now how's that for mocking? Address that intolerance and stop being dorky and misdirecting your arguments. Target the target not the victim.


CreativeMind, so far the only creative thing I see from you is a complete misdirection of your criticisms.

Don't downgrade your attack, mister. You called me a plague. You took a simple question I posed and turned it into a personal attack. That's fucked up. My opinion was based on your offensive comments and the fact that you speak from an anonymous profile.

And still you contend to be a TS, one of "us". I see you have a cartoon image now for your avatar. LOL what a fucking twit. People, this is a man. A man who deep down inside wants to be TS but doesn't have the guts. A man who hides behind his computer espousing the virtues of a saint yet can't even put up a picture of his face. Why would you give this loser an ounce of credibility?

You Go, Girl
 

MEL:

You're a handful and a mouthful, and no stranger to pleasure.

Piece,

TAL

I called escorting a plague. You're just getting way too defensive. If you are truly at peace with what you do, you wouldn't feel the need to continually justify it.

And how many members here actually have a photo? Nowhere does it say that TS members need to have an actual photo, nor does not having one affect anything I've said thus far. Rather juvenile to hold so much importance over a picture, and such an obvious attempt to dismiss what I've said all for the sake of "credibility". Seeing proof that I'm a TS won't change how you feel about my opinions anyway, so stop trying to cop out.

Not all of us are attention whores on the web, lol.

We all see what's going on you're hiding behind a cartoon. Go shave your face and scratch that beer belly dude.

With all the extra time and money, couldn't you at least do something about your spare tire?

This is, ladies, what you call a cat fight :innocent:

Why would you want implants? I think your breasts are beautiful they way are now.

They are small b cups right now, they will be a little fuller and c cups after the surgery. That's the way I want them.

I was just trying to lighten the thread up, but ok.

Couldn't agree more, Ila! Wish we could change your mind, Melissa. They are just perfect.:yes:

Wow, such GREAT examples in life that you picked there, Melissa.

Let's see, the first was a self-destructive, raging drunk who ultimately alienated and drove away his closest friends and pissed off the critics with his rampant ego, after which he became an isolated soul and spiraled downward into becoming such a piss-poor alcoholic that he ultimately killed himself by driving drunk into a tree...Meanwhile, the other was a self-absorbed, socially withdrawn person who suffered from such low self-esteem that he killed himself by overdosing on anti-depressants AND slicing both of his arms with a razor for good measure.

Gee, you're right, Melissa. They really knew how to "live their lives" and their example makes for SUCH a great "lesson for the young artist." Yep! Those are role models about "how to live your life" that I'd be citing!

Of course, if your attitude about turning to those less fortunate or helping those who are coming up the ladder behind you...who could simply use some kind, consoling help on a basic human level...is a big "Fuck You", then I think you're telling us more about yourself than any finger pointing you're desperately, pathetically and hilariously trying to put our way.

In fact, going back to how this whole thread started and your original question, my initial answer still stands. I think most guys would want their newfound love to leave the escort business behind simply so their romance could be on more stable grounds. On the other hand, given your attitudes expressed here...and your choices in role models about "how to lead your life"...you now bring up a whole new slant to things. Namely, if someone worked as an escort, but was totally self-centered -- in short, they were caught up in such an ego-driven power trip that they were only concerned with them self, about making money anyway or anyhow (legal or illegal), and they were willing to snub or even fuck over anyone who got in their way -- then why WOULD you want to be in a relationship with such a person? It wouldn't matter if they were an escort or not. Why would anyone want to be in a relationship with someone so self-absorbed and ultimately self-destructive?

But hey, that's just my opinion on what makes for a warm and loving relationship that will stand the test of time. Those are my personal and moral viewpoints. Although, I loved that earlier...in reference to those...that you referred to me as St. Francis of Azzizi. Gee, for someone who claims to be such the brilliant former executive -- who chose to leave her success in the corporate world behind to lay on a bed for 500 bucks a fuck instead -- and for someone who claims to be such the intellectual, right down to quoting William Blake, I'd love for you to point out AZZIZI on the map for me. I was just wondering if it might be some place close to ASSISI...

Thanks, they will be more perfect in a few short weeks. Wish me good luck on November 24th!

Your New Signature
 

MEL,

Come spend time between your legs?

Doing what? Please be graphic?

PM if too graphic?

I'm cool w/ show 'n' tell.

Awaiting your reply, wild pony for a bucking stallion,

TAL

All Show And No Tell
 

MEL,

Can I take it pic #1 is not an all day sucker, but a mouthful of Tabasco sauce?

Is pic #2 the tunnel of erection makers by any chance?

Piece of your mine,

TAL

Melissa, you rock!!! :respect:

Cham

My weapons of mass erections

You're Fun To Play With
 

MEL,

You say weapons, plural.

What other weapons do you have to bust a man's zipper?

Is it enter your mine at one's own risk?

Piece,

TAL

No, certainly not - hence my initial respons.

how could any one tell lia no what a lady

Best wishes for a successful operation and a speedy recovery with no complications.

I still think though that your breasts are beautiful and luscious as they are now.

Hard Hat Or Soft Glove
 

MEL:

Your lips look like a weapon to me too, and I'd bet they've not missed much action, no?

Piece,

TAL

Thanks so much, and in a job I'm 100% positive I'll be fired. I don't know maybe they think big breast will get in the way of pouring chemicals. Or maybe they think I'll distract the co-workers to much.

Oh, by the way your dick looks so suckable. I'd also love to have it in my ass.
:turnon::coupling:

You'd never be fired for that in Holland, you'd have a good case against them in court. Move to a less conservative country!