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Show Me Love 06-18-2008 06:36 AM

What is your religion?
 
how many satanists here? none? so what the hell that ugly face on the top left doing here? its not funny, who is the admin/owner? get that shit outta here.

ok, the real question is
Does anybody believe in God here? How do u deal with that?

Desperanto 06-18-2008 03:21 PM

I am a Christian, Greek Orthodox Christian.God bless shemales...

St. Araqiel 06-18-2008 11:46 PM

Nondenominational Christian. Don't need anybody telling me how to find God.:p

miss-aligned 06-20-2008 10:02 PM

the devil
 
i'm atheist, or better put.. i'm not a theist.

the devill is cartoon character, like gods.

it could stay it could go, i wouldn't care.

sesame 06-20-2008 11:39 PM

Would you consider Humanity and empathy as my Religion?

Organised religion has failed bitterly.
Furthermore, religion divides and alienates fellow men.

I think the answer to the quest for Truth is spirituality;
Spirituality is personal and psychological.
Its practiced in private, inside ones mind.

While religion is acceptance of some social behavior, its about socializing.
Just imagine...many people gathering to communicate with the Supreme Being? :)
They are so utterly conscious of one another, sensitive of mutual interaction,
the whole thing is so shallow, that its very difficult to concentrate,
let alone entering a transcendental state.

Bionca 06-21-2008 12:37 AM

I'm an Agnostic Pagan who digs the idea of Gnosticism

hankhavelock 06-21-2008 01:26 AM

I'm a protestant and yes, I do believe in God. I live in a Muslim country with a moderate outlook on life and orientations - that said, misunderstood religion can in some instances become a serious obstacle for trans life.

BlueRaven88 06-21-2008 01:56 AM

technology > religion. there may be a higher power, there may not be. don't know and quite frankly don't really care. religion only brings death and hatred. i sure know that muslims bring me to hate them haha :P

sesame 06-21-2008 02:03 AM

Blueraven88:
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i sure know that muslims bring me to hate them
Are you sure man? There are some really stunning Ladyboys belonging to that religion. You will say NO, if they propose you?;)

In reality, they are a bit fanatical and biased.:(
Thats sad.

hankhavelock 06-21-2008 03:47 AM

Ooops - I had no intentions of bringing gasoline to the highly flammable religious debate going on today... so let me hasten to say the majority of my transsexual friends and lovers are muslim! And I promise you guys that there's NOTHING hateful about them - on the contrary. They are muslims the way most westerners are christians - moderately and focussing on the positive aspects in stead of the potential conflict-points.

Well, not many conflict-points when we lie in bed sweaty and exhausted anyways :-)

My own little contribution to inter-religious understanding :-)

H

BlueRaven88 06-21-2008 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by sesame (Post 27179)
You will say NO, if they propose you?;)

ya-huh i would say no. actually i would probably spit in their 'holier than thou' face

Justme 06-21-2008 07:22 AM

100% Agnostic. I don't believe in any type of god, simply because there is not proof of one. I'm not closed to the fact that it is possible though, but someone better have some proof outside of really old books.

RedderZNZ 06-21-2008 08:40 AM

Atheist with some Christian Russian Orthodox residue.

cham 06-21-2008 09:10 AM

Athiest, but I would love to worship Mint.

Cham

ila 06-21-2008 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by cham (Post 27226)
Athiest, but I would love to worship Mint.

Cham

:lol::lol: I like your answer.

sesame 06-21-2008 04:07 PM

Cham:
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Athiest, but I would love to worship Mint
:D Will you let Mint sanctify you with her Ceremonial Staff
and Holy water from her private spring? ;)

cham 06-21-2008 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by sesame (Post 27296)
Cham:


:D Will you let Mint sanctify you with her Ceremonial Staff
and Holy water from her private spring? ;)

Oh yes, indeed! :turnon:

Cham

sonya 07-03-2008 11:49 PM

agnostic, a little buddhist and keep some mexican catholic traditions.

ItsmeLane 07-04-2008 06:39 AM

I am Muslim

Joebad 07-06-2008 02:19 AM

Nondenominational Christian, but I was raised as a Catholic.

teimar 07-08-2008 03:29 PM

hm... I have no religion. Religions are old kind of explain why something works. I am an empiryst. I believe in science. I think that god didn`t create such kind of people like tgirls. It is impossible, that this creature cam create somethig as perfect, as Bianca Freire ;)

twistedone 07-12-2008 12:38 AM

An infidel and proud of it. Actually I'm a non-denominational Christian. I do believe in a higher being, this higher being is good, but don't believe in most of the religious procedures of worship.

I talk (pray) to this higher being just as I would a good friend.

Works for me. And its keeping me in line. LOL

lebguy 07-12-2008 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by BlueRaven88 (Post 27177)
i sure know that muslims bring me to hate them haha :P

my friend stop watching the news because you surely don't know what you're talking about. muslims are not bin laden, nor najad nor all these terrorist people who kill people in the name of islam. I am a christian living in a country which is divided between muslim and christians. I am catholic myslef and have a lot of muslim friends, a couple of them are my best friends. muslims are not those that you see on tv, these are extremist people and we see them in all religions, you want to hate, hate the people who are like that not a whole religion.

ila 07-12-2008 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by lebguy (Post 30019)
my friend stop watching the news because you surely don't know what you're talking about. muslims are not bin laden, nor najad nor all these terrorist people who kill people in the name of islam. I am a christian living in a country which is divided between muslim and christians. I am catholic myslef and have a lot of muslim friends, a couple of them are my best friends. muslims are not those that you see on tv, these are extremist people and we see them in all religions, you want to hate, hate the people who are like that not a whole religion.

Words of wisdom.:respect:

twistedone 07-13-2008 08:45 AM

BRAVO!!

And if I might add, there are Muslims and Muslim organizations out there doing what they can to combat the extremists.

There are many Muslims in my community as well. Recently, during a flood threat, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, and others were side by side filling sand bags.

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Originally Posted by lebguy (Post 30019)
my friend stop watching the news because you surely don't know what you're talking about. muslims are not bin laden, nor najad nor all these terrorist people who kill people in the name of islam. I am a christian living in a country which is divided between muslim and christians. I am catholic myslef and have a lot of muslim friends, a couple of them are my best friends. muslims are not those that you see on tv, these are extremist people and we see them in all religions, you want to hate, hate the people who are like that not a whole religion.


Hot Rod 07-13-2008 10:35 PM

raised catholic. not really sure what i believe now. I believe in a higher power. Still struggling with the purpose of life thing and what my creator wants of me. All i know is, i don't need a building or a priest to tell me how and what to believe. Out in nature, or building something with my own two hands..... thats my church and prayer.

victornl 07-14-2008 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Justme (Post 27209)
100% Agnostic. I don't believe in any type of god, simply because there is not proof of one. I'm not closed to the fact that it is possible though, but someone better have some proof outside of really old books.

This is exactly the way i think about relegion

kraken111 07-18-2008 10:54 PM

Proud Christian
 
I am 100% CHRISTIAN. :yes:

porno4lyfe 07-18-2008 11:28 PM

everyone
 
everyone is christian. but my branch is luthren.

Big_Willie 07-21-2008 04:11 AM

I don't believe in any kind of gods. Not the Christian God, not any other. Though at least some of the others make some kind of sense. Unless I see some proof that shows, God (or any other god) excists, I'll just believe in myself. :)
Also religion is a very dangerous thing.

But I'll let George Carlin talk instead of me, he's better with words. :D
About religion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o :respect:
About the ten commandments http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCz0-HY1TLU :yes:

translover 07-22-2008 07:31 AM

it is written Muslim on my ID card. In our country, when u born and when u take ur ID from government, its written Muslim, if ur family don't say different.

But i don't know i am Muslim or not but I believe in God or a power, i don't know...

rhythmic delivery 07-22-2008 02:28 PM

i am a violent fundamentalist athiest, and think god and religeon have no place in a modern society and should be banned and replaced with and age of based on scientific breakthrough and disscovery and just foget all that mumbo jumbo crap

rhythmic delivery 07-22-2008 02:30 PM

i hate it when people put down religeon as being rediculous or completly fictional i myself am always recieving jabs about my being a jedi.

Excaliborg 07-22-2008 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery (Post 31483)
i am a violent fundamentalist athiest, and think god and religeon have no place in a modern society and should be banned and replaced with and age of based on scientific breakthrough and disscovery and just foget all that mumbo jumbo crap

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Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery (Post 31484)
i hate it when people put down religeon as being rediculous or completly fictional i myself am always recieving jabs about my being a jedi.

your two posts are somewhat at odds. in the first you are athiest and in the second you are jedi. while i respect a persons beliefs, two contradicting statements do tend to confuse. is the The Jediism Way not a religion? i can read all i want on teh internets, but you opinion and experiences would be most welcome.

or is it more a way of life than a religion?

Excaliborg 07-22-2008 02:56 PM

the is a science fiction novel, Wyrm by Mark Fabi. while the book itself received mixed reviews, it does have and interesting theory.

consider religion as a ,ind virus, of mind meme, that started because of some random inexplicable event that happened eons ago. naturaly this mind meme evolves into something greater over time. and the name for this meta mind meme? Group Overmind Daemon.

GRH 07-22-2008 05:01 PM

I would consider myself an Open Theist, mostly an amalgamation of Hindu and Christian beliefs.

rhythmic delivery 07-22-2008 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Excaliborg (Post 31490)
your two posts are somewhat at odds. in the first you are athiest and in the second you are jedi. while i respect a persons beliefs, two contradicting statements do tend to confuse. is the The Jediism Way not a religion? i can read all i want on teh internets, but you opinion and experiences would be most welcome.

or is it more a way of life than a religion?

yeah my first post expressed my actual opinions and secind was a joke which in its self was actualy an jab at religeon as the religeon jedi is from the star wars films and most religeous people would concider being a jedi as rediculous as its clearly ficticious which is the exact view i have off all other religeons so the joke was trying to highlight to relgeous people that i concder christianty islam judayism budhism seekism and every other religeon as being exactly the same as jediism.
my favorit religon is scientology, thought up in the 1950 by science FICTION writer L ron hubard after he made a bet with a friend to see who could make a milion dollars quicker. its a religeon in which you have to pay to partake thus making its belivers as the most gulable fucking clows on the planet tom cruz amongst them

SluttyShemaleAnna 07-24-2008 06:54 AM

Interesting Jedi fact of the day: according to the 2001 census, there are more Jedis in the UK than Jews, Buddhists or Sikhs.

ziggybabie 07-31-2008 12:55 PM

Agnostic. Atheist about all wordly theistic religions, but agnostic about the possibility of some unknown higher being, whether it's good natured, "evil", completely indifferent, or something totally beyond our understanding.

As far as the original "Satanist" comment, though, honestly a lot of people have a major misconception. LaVey Satanists are atheists. It's a non-theistic (no gods) religion, much like Buddhism or Taoism. More of a philosophy.

They do not believe in a devil or "boogeyman". The devil is just a metaphor for the things Christianity calls "sins". LaVeyan Satanists say things like "lust", "gluttony" and "pride" ("Tha DEVIL, Bobby Boo-shay!") are only human nature, and love should be shared for those who deserve it, not ingrates or enemies who will not appreciate or reciprocate it. Instead of turning the other cheek or letting yourself be walked all over, seek vengeance. It's all about balance and moderation of these things.

Personally, some of it's a bit TOO abrasive for my tastes. I'm not big on vengeance, for example, or fighting, or the sort, unless it's a last resort. I'd be more with the passive aggressiveness of Buddhism on things like that. But, I do think a lot of things about the "religion" Anton LaVey created make sense. I respect philosophy over theology, but even that said, many theistic religions are still cool mythologies with some good lessons.

I'm not exactly an expert on anything though. My life philosophies are a random mishmash of things I learned from google searches or pop culture, mostly. lol

IF there is a truly loving God, I think being a good person should be enough to pass his/her "judgment". Sending Gandhi to hell for picking the "wrong path" (with little to no evidence to guide him since every religion is equally valid according to "blind faith" sans facts), but letting in a serial killer because he asks the "correct God" for forgiveness sounds like very flawed morals to me.

chrisraid3 08-01-2008 01:36 AM

i am just agnostic, too much of a historian

Mel Asher 09-06-2008 06:13 PM

God knows
 
Conventional Christian upbringing & background - fairly liberal. Totally disillusioned about hierarchical Religion which has repeatedly been abused in a quest for power, and as a consequence shamelessly exclusive. From my background I have been left with a deep conviction that God exists ( The Numinous ), a strong feeling that Gnosticism & Buddhism have found much of the path to oneness with the Creator, and a growing interest in Zoroastrianism and Taoism. ( The journey is long but the paths are many )
Otherwise I am an almost total Hedonist !

TracyCoxx 09-06-2008 08:01 PM

Atheist.

The universe and everything within it (and everything outside it?) runs entirely according to natural laws.

nmlss 09-06-2008 10:04 PM

I am 100% proud atheist and I've never been baptized. I believe in ME and my decisions.

GRH 09-07-2008 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by ziggybabie (Post 32803)
As far as the original "Satanist" comment, though, honestly a lot of people have a major misconception. LaVey Satanists are atheists. It's a non-theistic (no gods) religion, much like Buddhism or Taoism. More of a philosophy.

They do not believe in a devil or "boogeyman". The devil is just a metaphor for the things Christianity calls "sins". LaVeyan Satanists say things like "lust", "gluttony" and "pride" ("Tha DEVIL, Bobby Boo-shay!") are only human nature, and love should be shared for those who deserve it, not ingrates or enemies who will not appreciate or reciprocate it. Instead of turning the other cheek or letting yourself be walked all over, seek vengeance. It's all about balance and moderation of these things.

Personally, some of it's a bit TOO abrasive for my tastes. I'm not big on vengeance, for example, or fighting, or the sort, unless it's a last resort. I'd be more with the passive aggressiveness of Buddhism on things like that. But, I do think a lot of things about the "religion" Anton LaVey created make sense. I respect philosophy over theology, but even that said, many theistic religions are still cool mythologies with some good lessons.

Quite right in your initial description of LaVeyan Satanism. As a person who has read, studied, and owned much of LaVey's published work, to me, it boils down to little more than a mystified and ritualized form of secular humanism. Personally, (regardless of the mysticism and ritual) the secular humanist perspective cuts too close to nihilism, and both philosophies leave me a bit empty at the end of the day. In my estimation, Anton LaVey would have made a more effective argument for his philosophy on life if he left out the obvious mockery of Christian ritual. I think I understand his motives in this, but by making a ritualized religion he accomplished two things: 1) He attempts to parody the predominant religion of the West, which is Christianity; 2) He succumbs to some of the same flaws of the regimented ritualism of contemporary religion. In this sense, I think the philosophy fails, it would have been more successful being espoused as a type of secular humanism, sans the symbolic ritual.

Even with that said, the premises of secular humanism I find, like you, to be a bit too abrasive in regards to the conclusions that follow. As I stated above, I find a Hindu metaphysical construct to best address some of the problems of duality of phenomenon, the nature of "good" and "evil," etc.

DL_NL 09-07-2008 08:26 AM

I've been brought up te be a roman catholic, but like my parents I've given up on religion.

It's great that we've put down some basic rules for living like a good person, but I really dislike the judgment over others that seems to come with religion and the fact that the people who shout the loudest are those who break most of their own rules.

GRH 09-07-2008 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by TracyCoxx (Post 38251)
Atheist.

The universe and everything within it (and everything outside it?) runs entirely according to natural laws.

There would seem to be a contradiction in the paradigm that you espouse as your belief. I would assume that you claim the title of "atheist" based largely on a materialist ontology that relates to the alleged superiority of logical empiricism in Western culture. (Maybe I'm wrong in this assumption, but it seems to be the statistically most popular claim to atheism, so grant me some leniency if you arrive at the atheistic paradigm through routes other than classical.)

Herein is the problem of your statement, it relies on a materialist and empirical ontology and then assumes a dualist (?) ontology perhaps? You reference the realm of the empirically physical, and seemingly defer the majority of your premise to natural law. However, at the same time, you mention the possibility (by virtue of your parenthetical clause) of something existing outside of the universe. This admission clearly falls outside of the realm of empiricism and materialism, and even the heart of your world view. As best as contemporary science can tell, anything that exists outside of the universe is not bound by natural law, as natural law breaks down at the singularity of the big bang. What then, if not natural law, guides this realm outside of the universe? (Various ontologists have referred to this realm as the "atemporal" in exploring these possibilities.)

So, by admitting a possibility of existence beyond the universe, you have to admit possibilities beyond the materialist and natural law-bound. You would perhaps better refer to yourself as an agnostic than an atheist, as you seem to have some leniency regarding your paradigm. No offense friend, I've met very few truly hard-core atheists, as the underlying architecture of their view does not in fact exclude the possibility of God. Alas, much of this discussion devolves into a matter of semantics of how we define words such as "atheist" and "agnostic," so I mean no offense if you care to disagree on semantic grounds.

TracyCoxx 09-07-2008 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by GRH (Post 38361)
You reference the realm of the empirically physical, and seemingly defer the majority of your premise to natural law. However, at the same time, you mention the possibility (by virtue of your parenthetical clause) of something existing outside of the universe. This admission clearly falls outside of the realm of empiricism and materialism, and even the heart of your world view. As best as contemporary science can tell, anything that exists outside of the universe is not bound by natural law, as natural law breaks down at the singularity of the big bang.

You make too many assumptions. Current science cannot describe what happens at a singularity. But current science does not define what the actual natural laws are. It is only our best educated guess at what it is. I see no reason to believe that natural law (not our version of it) reigns everywhere. There are theories that suggest that our universe is one of a countless number of universes. They possibly work differently then ours. You might suggest that they work according to a different set of laws, but I believe that there is a superset of physical laws that you can derive the laws of any universe from. When a universe is born, physical constants are possibly set, such as the speed of light, charge of an electron, gravitational constant, etc. But there is a physical law superset that enables this to happen.

I'm not saying there are multiple universes, but it's a possibility. We've thought that our planet is the only one, only to be proven wrong. Same with our solar system. Our galaxy. Maybe our universe too.

There are two possibilities. Our universe (or whatever spawned it) came from nothing. And by 'nothing' I mean nothing - no energy or matter at all, no space/time, absolute nothingness. Nothingness could only be defined as a complete lack of any attributes because anything else used to describe it would be something.

The other possibility is that our universe came from something, or whatever spawned that, which has always been.

Either possibility seems shocking to me. But to say our universe came from God seems even more shocking. Because you'd have to ask where did God come from? Nothing? That's even more shocking that a god capable of creating the universe could have come from nothing. I don't think we will ever really know which of the two possibilities happened. But I would at least like to see plausible theories that explain, without any holes, how it possibly could have happened. But like I say, I doubt we would be able to test it.

GRH 09-07-2008 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TracyCoxx (Post 38371)
You make too many assumptions. Current science cannot describe what happens at a singularity. But current science does not define what the actual natural laws are. It is only our best educated guess at what it is. I see no reason to believe that natural law (not our version of it) reigns everywhere. There are theories that suggest that our universe is one of a countless number of universes. They possibly work differently then ours. You might suggest that they work according to a different set of laws, but I believe that there is a superset of physical laws that you can derive the laws of any universe from. When a universe is born, physical constants are possibly set, such as the speed of light, charge of an electron, gravitational constant, etc. But there is a physical law superset that enables this to happen.

If you employ the anthropic principal, we as an observer will always be subject to those physical constants necessary for our own existence. Granted, this principal leaves open the possibility of other types of existence outside of our own, but by its own premise, we the observer can never be subject to anything other than our original premises of existence. The fact that natural law devolves to a degree at a singularity also suggests that our ability to act as an observe similarly degrades. This to me makes the concept of observational and empirical science a moot point when arguing things like the anthropic principle...Other types of reality MAY exist outside of our observational realm, but by the same logic, we can never observe these realms, so they remain hypothetical entities...Much akin to the idea of "God."

Similarly, the hypothetical ideas of multiverse theory lack any sort of observational or empirical evidence. At best, they can make certain predictions within a mathematical construct, but the larger theory is not falsifiable based on the devolution of physical constants at a singularity. Within a materialist paradigm, I see NO material evidence to suggest that multiverse theory is even remotely more plausible than the standard big bang model. The latter is backed up by observational evidence, thus if you apply Occam's razor, what seems more likely, just when discussing cosmology? The more complex theory (lacking true empirical evidence) of a multiverse, or the standard big bang model (which is backed by observational evidence)?

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I'm not saying there are multiple universes, but it's a possibility. We've thought that our planet is the only one, only to be proven wrong. Same with our solar system. Our galaxy. Maybe our universe too.

There are two possibilities. Our universe (or whatever spawned it) came from nothing. And by 'nothing' I mean nothing - no energy or matter at all, no space/time, absolute nothingness. Nothingness could only be defined as a complete lack of any attributes because anything else used to describe it would be something.

The other possibility is that our universe came from something, or whatever spawned that, which has always been.
I would agree, I will admit the possibility of a multiverse, based on the same logic that I would admit the possibility of some notion of "God." As I said, I fear I may have offended you on the linguistic difficulties associated with words like "atheist" and "agnostic." If the word "atheist" is dissected to mean "opposed to theism," I ask on what grounds. I have never met an atheist that can definitively prove the non-existence of God, and one of the fall-back arguments for an atheist is that science does not seek to prove a negative. Burden of proof shifts to assertions. Much of the semantic debate then falls onto what the default position of this thing called "science" should be??? This is an interesting question, but I in my interpretation, if science can admit possibilities that MAY not be falsifiable on observational evidence, things such as multiverse theory, it can equally admit possibilities of theism. How do we KNOW (beyond doubt) that there may not be some litmus test for the existence of a "god-like" force far in the future and assuming great scientific advances?

Ultimately, I think we agree. I think it remains a question for the ages, and one that science and empiricism will NEVER ultimately answer. It just perturbs me within the semantics of such discussion, that what is often called "atheism" is more often used to support the logical assertion of what amounts to an agnostic paradigm.

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Either possibility seems shocking to me. But to say our universe came from God seems even more shocking. Because you'd have to ask where did God come from? Nothing? That's even more shocking that a god capable of creating the universe could have come from nothing. I don't think we will ever really know which of the two possibilities happened. But I would at least like to see plausible theories that explain, without any holes, how it possibly could have happened. But like I say, I doubt we would be able to test it.
Your proposition here makes certain assumptions about causality. As I stated earlier, some arguments in ontology and cosmology employ two words to describe the dichotomy between the manifest world that is governed by natural law and the unmanifest world that existed prior to the singularity of the big bang. The manifest world is called temporal, the unmanifest is called atemporal. If the entirety of physics (as we understand it) breaks down at the singularity of the big bang, does causality apply to the atemporal realm? I would argue, not necessarily, and this at least seems a cogent argument against "God" having to have a "beginning." "God" is beyond the duality of beginning, end, and temporal concepts such as causality.

Now to wager against myself, I will employ Occam's razor. What is more probable regarding conceptions about complexity? Here, I'm utterly clueless. The hypothetical existence of "God" obviously adds degrees of complexity to our view...But does not the existence of a multiverse? Which is more complex? Which is more likely? And ultimately, if you defer to things such as statistics, which is statistically more likely? And more importantly, WHAT is even used to evaluate probabilities that exist outside of our observational realm?

TracyCoxx 09-07-2008 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by GRH (Post 38408)
Within a materialist paradigm, I see NO material evidence to suggest that multiverse theory is even remotely more plausible than the standard big bang model. The latter is backed up by observational evidence, thus if you apply Occam's razor, what seems more likely, just when discussing cosmology? The more complex theory (lacking true empirical evidence) of a multiverse, or the standard big bang model (which is backed by observational evidence)?

If there are multiple universes that does not replace the big bang theory.

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Originally Posted by GRH (Post 38408)
I would agree, I will admit the possibility of a multiverse, based on the same logic that I would admit the possibility of some notion of "God."

I think a multiverse is more of a possibility than a god. Some process created our universe. It is not a stretch to say that that same process has created other universes. God is different. There is no observational evidence of even one.

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Originally Posted by GRH (Post 38408)
As I said, I fear I may have offended you on the linguistic difficulties associated with words like "atheist" and "agnostic." If the word "atheist" is dissected to mean "opposed to theism," I ask on what grounds. I have never met an atheist that can definitively prove the non-existence of God, and one of the fall-back arguments for an atheist is that science does not seek to prove a negative. Burden of proof shifts to assertions. Much of the semantic debate then falls onto what the default position of this thing called "science" should be???

No offense taken. In the absence of evidence, science would be agnostic about a god. One could hypothesize about a god, but then they would have to formulate an experiment to test the hypothesis. I know why people believe there is a god. They saw the sun come up, earthquakes, storms, or babies being born, or whatever. They saw things that couldn't be explained with their knowledge so they hypothesized that there's a god. For me, there's no problem that prompts me to formulate an hypothesis that there's a god because I have the analytical tools to find other better possibilities to hypothesize.

My life isn't all science though. I interact with the rest of society, and to me it seems that the progression of society is hampered by society's belief in a god. Many refuse to accept things like evolution, or the fact that the earth is over 6,000 years old or the big bang when there is abundant scientific evidence to support these theories, while their own theistic approaches to these phenomenon fail scientific tests. In that sense I am "opposed to theism" and an atheist.

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Originally Posted by GRH (Post 38408)
The hypothetical existence of "God" obviously adds degrees of complexity to our view...But does not the existence of a multiverse? Which is more complex? Which is more likely?

As I said above, we've seen one universe. It's not a big stretch to hypothesize that the process that created ours created other. As for a god, we haven't seen even one.

mrtrebus 09-09-2008 01:09 PM

Atheist, there is no great reason for existence, life is just a bunch of stuff that happens. Having said that if people have a faith & it gives them comfort, good luck to them unless they are hate filled fundamentalists, be they Muslim, Christian or any other denomination.

Religion & science though do have something in common, they are both attempts by mankind to explain life, the universe & everything.

nmlss 09-09-2008 01:21 PM

Atheist Experience - Best Caller Ever
 
Believers, just look at this video.

Atheist Experience - Best Caller Ever

:respect:

bobbsie 09-12-2008 09:12 AM

I'm another of those pesky atheists.. Although if I had to worship something, I think it would have to be the sun! ;o) I mean it gives us heat, life and energy. What have any of the deities done for us lately?! I know, I know, God (or whatever) created everything including the sun.. *sigh* It is a circler argument really, as are most things based on faith I guess. Hmm, anyway each to their own! I'm off to find something to sacrifice to my sun God!

SluttyShemaleAnna 09-12-2008 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by nmlss (Post 38743)
Believers, just look at this video.

Atheist Experience - Best Caller Ever

:respect:

Try searching for the creationist quote mine failure from hte same show.

Those guys get all the best callers.

redjaan 09-12-2008 06:42 PM

i am a strong Atheist. like the video post, very funny. i hate people that think you have to respect peoples beliefs and opinions, hitler had plenty of beliefs and opinions but you would not respect him for them and let him get on with it. religion has to stop.

redjaan 09-12-2008 07:11 PM

atheist nightmare
please click. if you dont believe in god this my convince you.... that your right!

Alien 09-29-2008 12:08 PM

I believe in technology. I respect all religions. Even the Jedi way :)

Btw, the moron who hates all Muslims, you are pathetic. This is because of propaganda on TV and clearly it seems to have worked on you. Seek immediate help! You sound just like the product you are watching - the extremists causing all this terror.

Apart from that, we seem to have a lot of Atheists here :)

tapestry 09-29-2008 04:45 PM

Mathematics is my religion.

I just hate think something so wondrous and perfectly random as this universe could have been designed.

It would make the whole thing seem so fake.

Rikki 09-30-2008 05:59 AM

I enjoy buddhism from time to time.

lolbats 10-02-2008 01:48 AM

atheist, don't need fairy tales to make me happy.

BlueRaven88 10-02-2008 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Show Me Love (Post 26827)
how many satanists here? none? so what the hell that ugly face on the top left doing here? its not funny, who is the admin/owner? get that shit outta here.

ok, the real question is
Does anybody believe in God here? How do u deal with that?

the devil face is a representation of us being 'horny devils' and giving in to our desires which many may see as 'impure', 'unnatural', 'evil' and/or just all out 'wrong'. learn to have a tolerance and understanding for things before having a bitch about things you know nothing about or even want to think/learn/ponder about.

and to answer your question, my religion is that im awesome. i go out on the weekends (i have a long hard week of work every week), get drunk, chat up the ladies, and usually go home without even a phone number. yes it's pathetic but i really don't care. it's not about the destination it's all about the trip there. gaining experience in things one might say

Cyborg 10-03-2008 08:21 PM

I am atheist. I´m pretty much interested in science, especially biology, physics, social and cultural anthropology, psychology and philosophy although it can´t be considered as science at all. It´s more the language of reason. If you guys study ancient religions, you´ll see where today´s monotheist cults came from.

abstratorama 10-04-2008 04:35 PM

i am a atheist

guest 10-05-2008 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by redjaan (Post 39244)
i am a strong Atheist. like the video post, very funny. i hate people that think you have to respect peoples beliefs and opinions, hitler had plenty of beliefs and opinions but you would not respect him for them and let him get on with it. religion has to stop.

we didn't respect hitler's beliefs because he was a mass murderer. it's the same shit as someone who kills someone here in america, they lose their rights for commiting a crime.

what harm will it do to respect someone who carries themselves with a certain amount of self respect, and respect for others, including YOUR mind?

i am agnostic, which means i don't know anything about this whole faith stuff. i don't really care either. we don't KNOW anything. there may be something greater, there may not, NOBODY knows for sure, and those who claim to KNOW FOR SURE that there is a greater form then i believe they are liars.

however, i respect greatly those who hold themselves strictly to a religion. most religions teach respect, self respect, caring for others, the poor, and the less fortunate, which is something i admire.

a lot of religious people have very healthy morals, but are also open minded in a healthy sense, not so strict sense.

there's nothing wrong with this, and there's no reason you should hate these people. they do nothing wrong to you, and if your saying they try to impose their beliefs upon you, you're just whining.

an example, 'taking "god" off the pledge of aleigence'. people who want to remove the word god from the pledge are just whiny little dumb bitches in my opinion. tell your kid, say that shit, but never believe it. that's all you have to do. you dont have to believe in it, and that's all that matters.

on the other hand, there are also the conservative religions, who don't have any liberal or open minded sense at all. these are the people who i strongly dislike. they are stuck in their own little religious life full of do's and dont's. but even after this, you still should learn to respect others, no matter how strict their views on life are. in the end they are just human like you.

again, i am agnostic. i don't believe in any religions, nor can i say i am atheist because i don't know if there is something greater. if there isn't then ok whatever, if there is, then ok cool whatever, either way YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THERE IS AND WHAT THERE ISN'T.

TracyCoxx 10-06-2008 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by guest (Post 43252)
an example, 'taking "god" off the pledge of aleigence'. people who want to remove the word god from the pledge are just whiny little dumb bitches in my opinion. tell your kid, say that shit, but never believe it. that's all you have to do. you dont have to believe in it, and that's all that matters.

What's wrong with the original pledge? The pledge should be about putting aside all our differences and coming together for our contry. This is a country that allows people to have their own beliefs on religion. You stick 'God' in the pledge, and you're only going to divide people.

hinky32 10-07-2008 08:42 PM

No matter on what religion one believes in, It's truly within our hearts to know right from wrong, love or to hate.

Living in the south, I see a church practically on every other block. That's an awful lot of support groups for sinners..lol.

The earth is my religion. We started here and we'll certainly end here.
(No offense to the Scientology believers)

Devil 10-16-2008 09:16 PM

I was raised Catholic, but I'm an atheist now.

SpaceMonkey 10-18-2008 12:24 AM

No god, no man. Just a bunch of animals on this planet.

autumnight6 10-18-2008 09:09 PM

i've gone through several religions/spiritual practices... but i find spiritism to be the most complete and relevant.

a quote by Einstein: "religion without science is blind, science without religion is lame"

belief gives meaning i think...

iapetus 10-22-2008 02:49 PM

I'm agnostic because since it's impossible to prove or disprove a god's existance I can't feign or claim certainty to either side. To me that's committing to an answer simply for an answer's sake, and that's just how relgioin started--inventing answers to questions we couldn't answer honestly. I prefer uncertainty to a filler answer. I'm okay with knowing that we don't know something.

I'm inline with atheism in that i reject the idea of a personal god who takes requests and violates the laws of physics to manipulate our world. I believe religion's practice of providing filler answers (supplanting "we don't yet know why" with "'cuz god") dangerously hinders intellectual pursuit and is the greatest challenge to human advancement today.

ladyboyadmirer 10-23-2008 05:31 AM

religion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Show Me Love (Post 26827)
how many satanists here? none? so what the hell that ugly face on the top left doing here? its not funny, who is the admin/owner? get that shit outta here.

ok, the real question is
Does anybody believe in God here? How do u deal with that?

Firstly, I personally don't care what a person's religion is or how he or she practices it and secondly.....are you sure you are in the right forum?

GRH 10-23-2008 12:24 PM

I post this as nothing more than a reply...

But I reiterate my stance as a Hindu. I DO believe in a sort of Supreme Power that guides and dictates life in this universe, but I don't think such a force necessarily reigns as many have interpreted...I DON'T see a "personal" God as necessary, etc.

rastarzan 10-23-2008 05:54 PM

i dont think religion matthers here

Justme 10-23-2008 07:30 PM

I consider myself to be Agnostic.

"1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and probably unknowable ; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god"

Basically, I don't believe in God because it seems really far fetched, though I am not closed to the idea of there being a God. If one day someone proves "his" existence or can persuade me I'll gladly change my belief.

Personally, I just don't like living my life based on what was written in a book over a millennium ago, because, lets face it...anyone can lie at any time. I prefer to live my life how I see fit.

ziggybabie 10-24-2008 08:07 PM

If I weren't lazy, I'd start my own religion, just for the groupies.

Excaliborg 10-25-2008 05:46 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius

how powerfull is your slack?

Kakariko 10-31-2008 08:28 AM

I have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. People generally refer to this as being a Christian.

To the poster of the thread, I don't overly love the picture at the top either, but it's not hurting me and it doesn't stop me having a relationship with God, nor does it stop me believing in what I believe. Besides, I don't need to pay much attention to it, I mostly ignore and pay attention to the threads here and what people have to say. I'm not saying that it's okay to be there, but as an example, I'm sure you watch movies with coarse language in them.. I know I do. I don't like the coarse language being used, but I just try not to focus on that and enjoy the rest of the movie.

CuriousGirl 10-31-2008 10:48 AM

Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic? He sits for hours wondering if there is a Dog.:rolleyes:

TheSkronkDonkey 10-31-2008 11:06 AM

Check out this profoundly brilliant (abridged) essay from Einstein. I think everyone should read it:

http://www.aip.org/history/einstein/essay.htm

ila 10-31-2008 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by CuriousGirl (Post 47800)
Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic? He sits for hours wondering if there is a Dog.:rolleyes:

:lol: Thank you, that's very funny.

liesjeversteven 10-31-2008 01:13 PM

I'm totally not religious. With all respect to people of whatever conviction there may be, i really don't have the need to accept the existance of some supernatural being as the source or the reason for me being here. I'm perfectly happy with it having no reason at all. I'll make the best of it myself.

Kaiju 11-09-2008 09:35 AM

I'm an agnostic. I don't think that todays mankind doesn't actually have a chance at figuring out the universe. I also think that, if there is a god, personal ethics and ideals are more important than worshipping to him. If he (or actually, it) is a good god, that is.
When it comes to religion of others, I think that people have to think for themselves. Most religious people are religious because they were told so in their childhood. They never made the conscious decision to believe, and therefore they do not truely believe. If a person decides for him- or herself to believe, I have no problem with that.

Reslemock 05-31-2009 10:48 AM

I don't have any religion and I can't belive there is a good ether because is there is a good is not doing his,her, it's job.

ARIES666 06-01-2009 12:17 PM

Religion
 
As a child, I was christened/baptized...whatever they called it...in The United Church of Canada. Now....50 some-odd years later....let's just say "I am keeping my options open". All these different religions around the world and throughout time....they all can't be right!

liesjeversteven 06-01-2009 01:06 PM

I'm a very convinced atheist.

aa2239 06-01-2009 03:47 PM

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Originally Posted by ARIES666 (Post 86867)
As a child, I was christened/baptized...whatever they called it...in The United Church of Canada. Now....50 some-odd years later....let's just say "I am keeping my options open". All these different religions around the world and throughout time....they all can't be right!


Similar story with me... raised a Christian, practiced when I was younger, still consider myself a"cultural Christian" of sorts... not practicing now, haven't for a few years, but not discounting a return to greater faith later in life. My problem is that as I've got older, I've seen/experienced more and more things which either can't be answered by religion, or actually contradict what religion says... some of my personal views and opinions have diverged from those of "mainstream" Christianity. Overall, I think that ANY religion is only good in moderation.

cheersm8 06-01-2009 07:56 PM

I follow no religion, but I do believe that there is a 'god' for want of a better word, and that 'god' is inside ourselves, and that our duty to ourselves is to live a life, as best we can, on a 'giving' basis, ie put our priorities on to contribution rather than receiving, whether that be as simple as listening to a friend when they are down or ( if you are a zillioneer ) building a new hospital to give to your community. Every person on this planet has equal rights to be here.

ARIES666 06-03-2009 03:06 AM

Religion
 
I know this is the oldest excuse in the book for "doubting the existence of" or

"not believing in" god (or "A GOD")....but how, and why, does (let's say a Christian's version of GOD) allow "The Holocaust", "Riwanda", "9/11", "The Black Plague"...you get my point! I am sure an "expert" on theolgy will somehow expalin, justify or defend their "God". I am just a "regular" guy (who loves T-Girls, btw), so what do I know!

pele3601 06-03-2009 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by hankhavelock (Post 27191)
Ooops - I had no intentions of bringing gasoline to the highly flammable religious debate going on today... so let me hasten to say the majority of my transsexual friends and lovers are muslim! And I promise you guys that there's NOTHING hateful about them - on the contrary. They are muslims the way most westerners are christians - moderately and focussing on the positive aspects in stead of the potential conflict-points.

Well, not many conflict-points when we lie in bed sweaty and exhausted anyways :-)

My own little contribution to inter-religious understanding :-)

H

Your right misunderstandings begin with such ignorance on both sides. And hate mongering.

megawatty101 06-04-2009 12:07 PM

Agnostic. But if I did believe I would be a Christian or Buddhist or Sikh.

megawatty101 06-04-2009 12:08 PM

heh
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by CuriousGirl (Post 47800)
Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic? He sits for hours wondering if there is a Dog.:rolleyes:

I heard that before and I still lol.

dannlov 06-04-2009 04:26 PM

Not religious. Atheist.
Anyone made statistics of the answers? :)

fuzzy 06-04-2009 07:09 PM

No, I fall into the Athiest group, but I do Identify most with Buddhist, if I must have some system :)

randolph 06-04-2009 07:20 PM

Religion?
 
I have no conventional religion. My philosophy is based on the Tantric shiva/shatki metaphor. The concept is that a female goddess resides within (kundalini). By transcending the ego, we are able to experience her and her loving energy. She is very sexy by the way. :inlove::yes:

jurrak 06-08-2009 05:02 PM

all religions are good....no need to fight over them ...come back to transexuality ...thats the best

jurrak 06-08-2009 05:05 PM

there is the question in ma mind ...wut cud be the true gender of god ...male or female ...or who knows trans [:)]

plzz no need to offend

also do we have any messenger of any religion who is trans ...becz there thousands male messengers and also female goddess are rampant in hindu and greec mythology but wut about trans acoounts ....:confused:

TracyCoxx 06-08-2009 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by jurrak (Post 88418)
also do we have any messenger of any religion who is trans ...becz there thousands male messengers and also female goddess are rampant in hindu and greec mythology but wut about trans acoounts ....:confused:

Well whenever I see Areeya, I find myself saying "Oh my god"

LuvAmy 06-08-2009 06:16 PM

christian..but i'm not deeply religious

ARIES666 06-09-2009 05:11 AM

Maybe I belong to.....
 
"The church of the poison mind"

Maxthedrive 06-09-2009 01:05 PM

To paraphrase Edward Abbey, when I consider the religions on this planet, I have to wonder not if there is intelligent life in the Universe, but rather, is there intelligent life on earth.:lol:

That said, the universe is big, we're small, and in the final analysis, who knows?

I'll say I'm a rather dubious agnostic.

And Frank Zappa's primer on religion is always good for a chuckle...

Whoever we are, Wherever we're from
We shoulda noticed by now, Our behavior is dumb
And if our chances, Expect to improve
It's gonna take a lot more, Than tryin' to remove
The other race, Or the other whatever
From the face of the planet altogether

They call it THE EARTH
Which is a dumb kinda name
But they named it right 'Cause we behave the same...
*We are dumb all over* Dumb all over,
Yes we are Dumb all over,
Near 'n far Dumb all over,
Black 'n white People, we is not wrapped tight

Nurds on the left, Nurds on the right
Religous fanatics, On the air every night
Sayin' the Bible Tells the story
Makes the details Sound real gory
'Bout what to do If the geeks over there
Don't believe in the book We got over here

You can't run a race Without no feet
'N pretty soon There won't be no street
For dummies to jog on Or doggies to dog on
Religious fanatics Can make it be all gone
(I mean it won't blow up 'N disappear
It'll just look ugly For a thousand years...)

You can't run a country By a book of religion
Not by a heap Or a lump or a smidgeon
Of foolish rules Of ancient date
Designed to make You all feel great
While you fold, spindle And mutilate
Those unbelievers From a neighboring state

TO ARMS! TO ARMS!
Hooray! That's great
Two legs ain't bad Unless there's a crate
They ship the parts To mama in
For souvenirs: two ears *(Get Down!)*
Not his, not hers, *(but what the hey?)*
The Good Book says:
*("It gotta be that way!")*
But their book says: *"REVENGE THE CRUSADES...
With whips 'n chains 'N hand grenades..."*
TWO ARMS? TWO ARMS?
Have another and another
Our God says: *"There ain't no other!"*
Our God says *"It's all okay!"*
Our God says *"This is the way!"*

It says in the book: *"Burn 'n destroy...*
*'N repent, 'n redeem* *'N revenge, 'n deploy*
*'N rumble thee forth* *To the land of the unbelieving scum on
the other side* *'Cause they don't go for what's in the
book* *'N that makes 'em BAD*
*So verily we must choppeth them up*
*And stompeth them down*
*Or rent a nice French bomb*
*To poof them out of existance
*While leaving their real estate just where
we need it*
*To use again*
*For temples in which to praise
OUR GOD*
*("Cause he can really take care of
business!")*

And when his humble TV servant
With humble white hair
And humble glasses
And a nice brown suit
And maybe a blond wife who takes
phone calls
Tells us our God says
It's okay to do this stuff
Then we gotta do it,
'Cause if we don't do it,
We ain't gwine up to *hebbin!*
(Depending on which book you're using
at the time...Can't use theirs... it don't work
...it's all lies...Gotta use mine...)
Ain't that right?
That's what they say Every night...
Every day...Hey, we can't really be dumb
If we're just following *God's Orders*
Hey, let's get serious... God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here An' the book says:
*He made us all to be just like Him,"
so... If we're dumb... Then God is dumb...
*(An' maybe even a little ugly on the side

zumaa 06-10-2009 04:14 AM

i'm atheist


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