Why do You Think Men Become Women?
 

Why do you all think that men feel the need to take hormones and/or modify their bodies to take on a feminine form?

Is it a matter of identity (they feel deep down that they were born in the wrong body)?

Are they delusional, but you are willing to "buy in" to their delusions because it's kinda hot?

Are they super extra way gay (Like Drag Queens that take the extra step)?

Are they in it for the sex and this is a kink for them?

You haven't thought about it, but it's sexy.

They are perverts and it's really rather disgusting.

** I have my own thought on the matter, but I'm really honestly curious what you guys think. Don't let my presence keep you from being honest. I swear I'll be nice if I disagree, and hope this promotes an intelligent discussion**

I think this thread will look better with a poll, which i already added ;)

It is a matter of identity, and they super extra way gay!:respect::yes:
I think this way!

The Philippine LB that I knew told that I knew told me that ever since she was young she believed that she was supposed to be female. At puberty she thought that she was gay.Later she learned about transsexualism and understood her situation. She started her transformation at that time. I believe that shemales are truly woman in mens bodies. Nature is not perfect and mistakes do happen.

Poll?
 

oh, Pleaseee!!!!

The answer is quite obvious... They are females trapped in a mans body... I dont believe they are gay at all nor do I think that haveing a relationship with a lady of this kind is Gay..

It is certainly not a case of sexual perversion! I dont think anyone would put themselves through this trauma on the pure basis of becoming a sexual icon!!!

They are to be respected and loved as a women!

Thanks, I think you are right. This is much better as a poll - and it's good that you can't see how people voted. It keeps things a little more honest I think.

I'm actually surprised there are people who picked options other than the first. o_O

But there is some T- Girls, wo want to get their lovetool cut and reversed and some T- Girls, who want to remain a T- Girl.. like half-man, half woman :rolleyes: Is there two different ways of transsexuality?

I had to go with the first choice. These individuals feel they were born in the wrong body/sex. They are not freaks or weirdos, in fact, I have a lot of respect for what they are doing.

A lot of us claim that we will do whatever it takes in our pursuit of happiness, these individuals have gone one step further and have done what it takes in their pursuit of happiness. They can be an example for us all.

Everyone who commented chose #1 it seems. I'm curious about the opinions and reasons for the other choices as well.

While the major "shemale" content out there is porn related, in truth, the true transgendered people transition from M2F or F2M because they suffer from GID (Gender Identity Disorder). They were born of the wrong gender and have never felt comfortable in their natural bodies, so they sought out psychiatric help and got on to prescription hormone tablets (testosterone or estrogen, depending on their biological/physical gender, and what their mental/emotional/sexual gender is). The reason that there are alot more M2F than F2M is because women are, biologically speaking, underdeveloped men (if you examine a male's genitalia you will notice that there is a line leading from the bottom of the scrotum to the beginning of the anus. This is where the flaps of skin that would have been the vulva have fused together due to the excess in testosterone. The penis is also an extended, larger, and more developed version of what the clitoris would have been, and is in the exact same spot).

Not only this, but women are usually bi-sexual, just leaning towards either men or women as a preference, and most likely stay as women because they are attracted to femininity, so they believe that their partner would be as well, whereas a transsexual knows that they are unattractive physically to the type of person they are trying to attract, so they change themselves to suit who they feel they really are. Women are usually more open-minded and accepting of different shapes and forms, and are somewhat more pansexual than men (Pansexual meaning they choose their partners to aesthetic attraction and romantic feelings, rather than physical attributes).

Oh and in case you hadn't guessed by now, I voted that it was a matter of gender identity issue

Hope this has shed some light on the subject at hand, and sorry about the wall of text that slapped you in the face :P

Multiple reasons:

• 1 Gender Identity Disorder. A female trapped in a male body.

• 2 "Ultra Gay";

But calling them Gay is wrong logically. Since they are Girls at heart ie, they think like a girl, they are naturally attracted to men. If you consider the external body, then call them "gay". But if you judge in terms of psychology, then Tgirls are heterosexual.:yes:

Whats that? Close enough, but not correct. Men and women get separate sexual organs at a certain stage of foetal development. Before that stage, both undergo the same intermediate undifferentiated stage.
The topmost image I am posting is that stage where, physically speaking, a boy and a girl foetus look the same. Then in the next 2 images you can definitely tell the difference.
In that case, I can twist your words around and say, "A man is an underdeveloped woman"!

Why?
 

WHY do guys become gals? In another thread this question has been dealt with before. tlb.com is a "shemale" site. I dare say for the most part it is a porn site. Therefore do not expect to see any T-gurls that just want a normal ( if there is such a thing) female life. (This assumes of course that most females do not wish to be porn stars.)
A shemale can be one of two people. 1) A cross dresser with the nerve to have implants. 2) A TS gurl that doesn't have the nerve to have a SRS.
As for the opening question of WHY?; there are as many answers for a guy becoming a gal as there are grains of sand at the bottom of the sea.
My little joke of the day goes something like;,,,,,,, What's the difference between a crossdresser and a TS?
ans: The TS is the one in the sweatshirt and blue jeans. The crossdresser is in it for the sexual hype. The TS simply wants to "pass" as a female.

Curious to know what "Ultra Gay" is.

Either your gay, or your not. Didn't realize there are certain levels of being gay.

Saying someone is "Ultra Gay" to me is like someone saying a woman is a little pregnant, and a whole lot pregnant. Fact is....the woman is pregnant, there's no middle ground.

I'm curious too about people that voted for the other choices. Almost seems like the people that voted those choices are trolls.

Heh, could be the mood I'm in tonight as well. ;)

I agree. But that said it's not possible to come up with a single and simple answer that covers every transsexual. In my experience there are as many approaches to being transgendered as there are trangendered people :-)

And in the end it makes sense to separate transsexuality from transvestism. Transsexuality is a matter of gender-identity (the wrong body thing). Transvestism is a matter of an attraction/need to dress in the clothing of the opposite sex.

And then you have all the trans-people in transsition - a transsexual may start out as a transvestite (in fact, most do) and finally get to the point where she lives as a full time transsexual woman. In other words, it's a process of self-realization.

It's also important to separate gender-identification from sexual orientation. Some transsexual women are sexually attracted to women - they are in other words trans-lesbians. This phenomenum is more the case in the West than in Asia. In Asia the absolute majority of trans-women are attracted to men.

:-)

Hank

Very few things in this world clearly fall under one clean category. There are degrees of intensity to everything. So also are the extents to which people will chase their dreams. Thus the label, "ultra gay".
If people can be "super extra way gay", why not "ultra gay"?
People can be just "straight", "gay", bisexual, "fetishist" and really twisted in many ways.;)

My girlfriend was born a boy....but always considered herself as being female....she says that she was "born in the wrong body", but has developed into a beautiful and VERY feminine human being. She has taken hormones for 2 years and gets more stunning each day....So, I have to vote accordingly, but I would like to think that most t.girls feel this way.

well if u talk about transexuals they are not 'men' and they have no choise but go for female look.
if u talk about transgender people or bigender they feel ok to be both guys and girls and can smoothly go from one look to another.
and if u talk about ordinary guys who decide to be a girl, that is the most interesting case. what really can make guy a girl? hmm, some of them just get into casualy and coudn't get out becouse thay like that way, i guess that the way u can do transgender your mind and identity. yeah, but there must be something serious to buy a pack of hormones. i think mental exhaustion can be the one. they just feel broken feel they are not real man anymore. then they try some ts stuff and get sucked into.
thats how story goes

good example of real man become woman would be Samantha Kane. there is an article on stranger than fiction site "Make me a Man Again".
here is a quote:he undergone sex change surgery after seven months of consultations and 3 years after he ask to get everything back. millionaires roc!

...5:innocent:

Yes, I believe it's a case of wrong body. I also think T-girls are incredibly brave for risking all disadvantages of the transformation: alienating friends and family, facing prejudice and extreme hostility in the world around you and risking dissatisfaction with the results of the transformation. My respect, I wouldn't be able to face that myself. The internal turmoil preceding the transformation will be hell too, I imagine.

Further Investigation Required
 

I have asked this question to 20 or more of the Ladyboys that I know. Every single one of them has responded that they have always believed they were female - from as early as they can remember in most cases.

I also ask them about composition of their family unit (i.e. brothers & sisters) and it doesn't seem to matter. So it's not environmental factors - like one boy with all sisters, so he starts acting like a girl.

Last week I met two sisters who were originally brothers. The eldest always knew she was a girl. Whereas the youngest did admit to deciding based on seeing what the eldest did. That was a first!

In Thailand, Ladyboys are everywhere. There is no advantage here to changing your life so radically, in fact it makes life so much tougher for them. They are often alienated by their families - especially their Fathers. Society tolerates them but equal opportunities does not really exist here and so it certainly limits career opportunities.

So, why so many? Why so prevalent in Asia but less so in other areas of the world?

You could argue that it's 'easier' for Asian features & physique to be feminine and therefore more do - but it's more deep rooted than that.

I understand that in certain areas of Thailand every village and sometimes every family contains at least one ladyboy. It's almost a genetic disposition that is prevalent here. Also, from what I hear, it's increasing.

For that I am truly thankful! :respect:

For me and most of those I know like me, it's the first response. As early as I can remember, I've realized I was a girl. In thinking back about it, I've come to realize that that was very deep-seated, because at the time, I did not know about anatomical differences - I just knew that women acted and dressed differently than boys.

I was at some level of denial for a long time, but could never shake the sense that I was always uncomfortable in my own skin. Hormones and surgery are just steps to being complete.

I think the truth is really obvious...
 

I voted for the first choice, that they feel they are in fact female in a male body. If they were simply gay or were doing if for a sexual thrill, I just don't see that as enough motivation to go through all that they must to be female on the outside just as they are on the inside. Think about it, for what a TS must spend in money, time, effort, if it was merely a sexual urge, they could have bought their own private brothel for what the surgery costs. Add to the monitary costs all that they endure from ingnorant people who don't like them for simply being who they really are, it is all just way way way too much trouble to go through just for some sexual thrill. I am actually pretty certain that most if not all TS girls are seriously females who were born in the wrong body.

And honestly, I do have the greatest and sincerest respect for these women who are very much women on the inside. They are consciously CHOOSING their gender, not simply accepting what biological chance dropped on them. So, in my way of thinking, they are actually more of a woman than a girl who was born female, the TS girl is actively wanting to be female, and working very hard to be female.

I myself prefer the "pre-op TS girl" because her penis is a very clear reminder that she is actively choosing to be female in spite of the biological obsticles she faces, but I still have all the real heartfelt respect for the "post-op girls." *And I must admit I think T-girls with penises are very sexy and fun! But that is just my personal choice, I am sure post op girls are fun to be with as well.

The first option, surely?

I agree with the above posters, i wouldn't think anybody would go through something like SRS just for the sake of a sexual fetish. As a TV i know how sexy the whole transformation thing is, and trying to look as convincing as possible is a big part of it for me, but i'd personally never want to go the whole way. A nice pair of tits would be great :D but i don't think i'd want to go through all the hassle of getting some.

:respect:I know what you mean. I might (at a later date) decide to start hormones, but I wouldn't go through with SRS.

And yeah, a pair of tits would be :censored: awesome!!

Wouldn't they just! Thanks to Mother Nature deciding to make me a bit of a freak ;) i do have some small tits as well as some very sexy sensitive nipples that i used to be very embarrassed by (to the point where i once considered having the excess tissue removed surgically) but i love them now.

However, having a nice pair of 36c tits to fill a sexy bra properly would really be something else...

i chose the top 4 options
i think majority of the men who want to be women feel they are trapped in the wrong body.....
but few also want to be women as they are attracted to everything female thats surely a kink.....
there are others who are submissive and gay and so prefer to be more feminine to be more appealing to their partners......
some are also in it for the uniqueness i.e. for its rarity.....some people psychologicaly want to do things which are rare in the society.....they often choose the things which make them a bit different from others around them.

Hi there.

Voted 1 too.

But the # of m to f ts increasing is not really a surprize if you consider that nature is the essence of balance.

In China there are laws regarding the # of offspring a couple can have: 1, most Chinese want to perpetuate the family name and have a boy, often putting girls for adoption or getting abortions, these abborted girls come back to other bodies 50% of the time male then they go ts.

HEY Don't start hasteling me in this thread, accept it as a theory, if you want to discuss reincarnation start a new thread in the general discussion section, then we'll talk about it.

JohnDowe.

Not saying that it's bad or anything...
 

But could it be possible that it is genetic?

I agree with the majority:it is a matter of identity. At least that's what I feel from my own experience.

Why do men become transsexuals
 

I believe it is mostly a gender identity issue that has partly to do with the fact that most women are turning into men (in a non-physical sense). Since the role of women has changed dramatically, so has the role of men. Therefore, some men are forced into a state of realizing that they want to fill this niche; erego porn trannies. The remaining true transsexual people (who dress and act the part everyday of their lives) have realized that they are stuck in the wrong body (m2f or f2m). This type of transsexual can be considered 'super gay', meaning that they have not only embraced their homosexuality, but also the fact that they wish to become the gender that fully encompasses who they are. They are complete homosexuals, unlike the average gay person who merely dabbles in sexual and social rituals. Your average homosexual is stuck in a proverbial no man's land in regards to gender identity. They feel that they are male or female, yet proscribe themselves to activities of an opposing nature. They are gender confused individuals who most times are stuck living their entire lives in the middle. Most are happy with where they are at, however.

The amount of ignorance on the poll is disturbing.

All I can say is "FUCK Y'ALL" :broken: :frown: :censored:

NO :censored:

I completely agree, and I think it's really too bad someone came along and bumped this thread with a post after it had been lying dead in its grave for nearly two years. It's always odd when someone's very first post on a site is so provocative. Makes you wonder what the point really is.

some people are pretty dumb. 'super gay', sooo some gay guys are sooooo gay that they become women so they can fuck guys as a woman? Well then, where do all the transexuals who are lesbians come from? There were some guys who were 'super straight'?? Whuuuu?? and the transmen who are gay men? It's not even internally consistent! So it's not just dumb by the standards of anyone with an IQ over 70, but dumb by it's own mentally deficient excuse for logic.

Oh, and the reincarnation thing... another lack of logic... sooo there's all these female babies being aborted in china and india, which mean there's an excess of female souls lined up for reincarnation and a lack of female bodies, soooooooooooooooooooooo........ (anyone spot the flaw yet...) With this giant shortage of female bodies and the backlog of female souls just raring to get into them... You get a whole bunch of male souls going into female bodies and end up with a bunch of female to male transsexuals. Waa wa wa waaaaaaaa...

freshly baked fail muffins for everyone! Hooray!

Thankyou, Anna. Yours is the best analysis of a post that I have ever read. :respect:

:censored: :censored: :censored:

I was never gender confused i grew up in a two parent home and believe me my dad was a deffent strong male role model and my brother turned out fine
my mom never tried to turn me in to a sissy she treat me the same way she treated my brother
But now listen close when i was like six or seven i noticed things were not right i basicaly felt like hello people why am i a boy i should be a girl
as i got older the stronger those feelings got and fyi i'm not or was i ever supergay
:eek: Jerseygirl yes girl Jen

And now JerseyWOMAN Jen. :)

"They are perverts and it's really rather disgusting."

Two people actually chose this option? I have one question for them. Why the fuck are/were you even at this site then?:censored:

There is only one choice that makes any sort of sense, and it is option #1. It is who they are, and they are just changing some of their physical attributes to match who they are. They are women.

Once upon a time I designed surveys for a living. The title of this one is biased. Most people are on a lifetime journey to become who they are. That is being as in human being and very few human actions are easily dichotomized except in the all to common closed mind.

-mS

My little joke of the day:
What's the difference between a crossdresser and a TS?
ans: About two and a half years!

Not true, but funny, and even funnier when I tell that joke
and see the resultant worried looks on crossdressers faces!

Bad Jodie!!!

Awesome!
The very best post on this thread.
Totally, Totally very, very wrong but a great post for it's jaw dropping
"Fuck, did you just say that and you are joking, yes?" feeling it induces.
You must know an awful lot about gender dysphoria, to be able to be both 100% wrong and 100% offensive, in a few short words.
So totally Over-Offensive. And thus is only able to be read as very very funny.
Epic Fail!

Would you like your troll of the month badge now,
or should we post it to you?

Give the troll some credit for such an "epic fail" on a first and (as of this moment) only post! :lol:

Haven't we seen this before?
 

Now I’m waiting for this “troll” to return to 1) Angrily accuse everyone of misunderstanding him. 2) Call smc a “dictator” (or worse… :rolleyes:). 3) Remind everyone that this is really a “porn” forum. 4) And then call Enoch Root and myself “lapdogs” (or worse…) for supporting smc. :lol: :lol: :lol:

oh and #5) He was just stating his opinion... :lol:

Pa!
I was really looking forward to all that stuff
and you've gone and spoilt it! :lol:

I'm actually more of a cat person than a dog person. :lol:

Hilarious. You get a cookie Jodie.

Careful aw9725, some people *cough* might think you are excusing away your well established lapdog...ism. And mine as well. Keep it quiet. Clearly whenever we agree with someone, especially when that someone is smc (who sometimes goes unnamed), we are kowtowing to him. It can't possibly be something reasonable was said and we are agreeing. So shhh. The plan to institute digital apartheid--whatever the fuck that might be--has to go off without a hitch.

Now I need to subscribe to this thread for the sake of morbid curiosity.

The thing is, it was actually KittyKaiti who first took on what JodieTS and only then aw9725 referred to as a "troll." So how did they get left out of this pack of lapdogs? :lol:

Actually, I'm thinking of a "career change" and instead of being a leader of what Enoch Root calls "digital apartheid" (oh, the exquisite irony!) I am going to ask Kaiti if I can audition as HER lapdog. :drool:

well I've had a long discussion with a f2m before who felt like they were born in the wrong body so my guess it many m2f feel the same way but everyone probably does it for a different reason

I feel like a fool. Why is "digital apartheid" ironic? Even exquisite irony?

Seriously? Nothing about leaving out some of the lapdogs? ;)

I don't know why you should feel like a fool. I was thinking of "situational irony" where something has the opposite effect of what was intended. Not your intent, but that of someone else ... you know who.

By the way, exquisite was a COMPLIMENT!

Leaving out some of the lapdogs?

Thank you, now I know what you meant by irony. Although you say "opposite effect" but since I did mean to be ironic--I might be confused again.

Most ?evil dictators? are--see pic? :lol: Just kidding of course!!! :innocent:

At my home it?s actually the cat who is the one in charge? :)

They are women!!!!
 

I know four TS ladies well. They are every bit a lady as any GG i have every been around. They just happen to have male parts. They are full women to me and deserve the respect you would give any lady.

I had never considered myself as gay. I always considered myself bi, leaning more towards femininity. Though I more closely identify as pan-sexual.
So really... Sexual orientation and gender identity have nothing to do with each other.

Uhem... It's Gender Identity Dysphoria. It's not a mental disorder. It's a birth defect.

And I never felt that I should transition because I was unattractive to people I was trying to attract. I transitioned because I was not comfortable in the body I was born it.
I have had sexual experiences with men before I transitioned, but did not enjoy it because they were attracted to the male figure they had before them. I never liked being treated as a man!

Yes... I myself started out as identifying as a bisexual cross dresser. But I never felt that was the right way for me to go. I didn't learn of transsexualism till I was 26, so it took me awhile to find my true self.

Yes... In fact in the late '90s there was a study that found that all of the transsexual brains in the study (cadavers), had all the genetic similarities to cis females brains.
And no not all of the transsexuals in the study had ever undergone HRT.

Hehe... Love you Katie :D

Those are called trolls... they like to get under peoples skin. For one reason or another.

No not bad... Jodie are good. :p

I Am So Eager To Be A Shemale, But How??
 

I am a male, age around 21, I wanted to be a shemale so badly, but how should I start? Can anyone teach me?

There are other threads on this. Search the Chat about shemales forum. If I find an appropriate thread I'll move your thread there so that you can find the topics.

Oh, Thanks a lot, I am still new here. How to move the thread?

One of the moderators will move the thread.

Thanks alot.......

honey, we were never 'men'. we may have acted like it in order to survive, but deep down, we were/are really pissed at mother nature not paying attention...

but now, post op, there is nothing quite like belonging in your own head, your own body, and your own high heels :)

that's about it :)

puts a smile on my face to read. go get em, honey!

They are born that way
 

transgender girls are born with a female brain , it can not be changed by any medical procedure,only there bodies can be changed to match there brain.:no:

RONNIE

It is almost option 1

"Is it a matter of identity (they feel deep down that they were born in the wrong body)?"

Although the notion that there is a real underlying gender identity is a delusion, it doesn't necessarily mean that transitioning is not justified.

The self-proclaimed expert returns, stating as absolute truths that which cannot be proven. And I've always thought it odd that you identify yourself in your signature as an autogynephiliac, which suggests an acceptance of Blanchard's transsexualism typology, while at the same time lecturing us that gender identity is a delusion. After all, Blanchard (and his highly suspect data) essentially reduces gender identity to that to which one is attracted.

Autogynephiliac is rather its the relation to self through social-masochistic femininity. Most autogynephiliacs identify loosely as "loving oneself as a woman". Blanchard is a joke!

Do you think there is an innate experience of gender, let alone self-identity?

Probably my last post on here:

It's a matter of Identity. :heart: :respect:

I voted identity.

Can't imagine anyone's going to go through such a long and difficult process if they didn't feel compelled to do so.