New and Looking
 

In the past year I have broken up with my long-term b/f of 7 years. Unfortunately, we started to date shortly after I began my transition - so I have only really seriously dated this one guy (who turned out to be total crap). I won't date a guy who doesn't know that I was born with a guy body, aside from having an awkward conversation after emotional investment, I really don't want to put my safety at risk.

I have had 5 dates the past year - 3 of them stood me up (literally waiting at a coffee shop or restaurant alone for 30-45 min) and never heard from again. One guy took me out twice, first date was great, dinner and a movie with a very sweet kiss goodnight. Second date, just as nice and followed by a night of sex. He immediately left after an awkward silence. I saw him a couple days later and said "hi", he told me he "didn't like fags".

So, I'm here looking for somethign. I'm curious about guys who are interested in gals like me. Is this what I have to look forward to? One thing also, is I have been on Hormone treatment for 5 years, and I have not had an erection for some time - from reading here, that seems like the big deal-breaker for lots of guys.

I don't get it, I'm smart, funny and I guess pretty cute (the avatar is me from last summer). I'm just confused about guys and if I can actually find a functioning relationship with *ghasp* respect.

I think you'll find a lot of respect here. And yes, a big hard cock has appeal to many, but others are not hung up on it.

best wishes

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and yes, you are cute

You seem like a very nice person. Very genuine!

It's just a fantasy that many men have, being screwed by a t-girl, very few have lived it out on here and i doubt many of those who havent ever will.

Hope you find the right person for you though!

Thank you CuriousJim. I hope I do find someone too.

You're welcome!

Where are you from, just out of interest?

Well, I was living in Chicago until the breakup, now I'm back home in the middle of Ohio switching between my brother and a friend's houses. I'll be moving to either LA or Miami soon though depending on which job I'll be taking.

Wow, you are cute. I guess you will immediately begin to get full hearted response from all around. All crap aside, I think a serious relationship requires a strong minded guy who knows what he wants. And he doesnt give a damn about what the society will judge about him or his preference. People are basically weak and are afraid of asserting their feelings. You on the other hand have walked a long way in that direction. Hats off to you.

You look wonderful from where I'm sitting!

Sesame, thank you very much. I guess you are right, maybe I'm just expecting too much from guys.

:) thanks :) I appreciate that very much

Bionca, it is not a crime to be oneself. Sometimes strong people take up where nature has left something midway, and bring out its final form. That is a brave act.
The society is a mixture of good people, bad ones and lots and lots of morons. So sometimes people say cruel things just to look smart. Anything new gets through a lot of struggle and controversy to be finally accepted. So have courage, buck up and continue in your own way.
Also it is good to be prudent. One should not expose everything to unworthy people. Only a few people can appreciate a valuable diamond and tell it apart from a piece of glass.

Well I'm at a point of no return, so there isn't much more to do other than continue on. It just gets weird sometimes. It's like with gay people... one can draw a comparison based on romance or love.. these two guys love eachother just like a hetero couple. Everyone understands love, it's a shared human quality.

Most everyone has no conflict between their body and their identity, so saying "I always have been a girl" I suppose sounds like I'm crazy - no shared quality to compare. Usually if I explain further people start to get it, but then again, my story is not the same as every T-gal, my feelings and understanding arent shared even amongst my community. So lots of misunderstandings and strange assumptions *shrug*. My whole point being here, is because I'm really curious how you guys think and how you see women like me. Unfortunately, I think I'm just getting confused.

You are right Bionca. There are some qualities, notions and experiences that are common to most people. But then again, some experiences and qualities are just unique. Only you have them, others can hardly feel or understand them. Some feelings are so unique that they cannot be understood by others, even if you explain.
Women who are born as girls are ok. But a person who is born as a boy and becoming a girl is someone really special. Considering all the intense pain, hardship, social ridicule and mental struggle she goes through, I think she is full of strength, determination and courage. I cannot help but appreciate such a woman. Natural women are god-gifted, they didnt have to try anything, but a Tgirl is 100% self made.

I Would Like To Say That
 

Intense pain builds character, hardship prepares you for what is yet to come, social ridicule comes with the human package, mental struggle is an indicator that you have a brain and it works and that you are more determined than others.....
There is only one little problem,,,, only very few can survive the above and learn from it.

Natural women are god-gifted, they didnt have to try anything, but a Tgirl is 100% self made.[/QUOTE]



Well.... I did have some help from a really good plastc surgeon.. so maybe 98% self-made :innocent::lol:

Question ?
 

You've expressed yourself in regard of who you are and who you want to be, and I am sure that you are all that you say you are, BUT, HAVE U ASKED YOURSELF WHAT YOU ARE LOOKING FOR IN A GUY ??

: )
 

98 % is still great :D

By The Way !!!
 

You Do Look Cute.

I've thought about that quite a bit actually. I'm looking, obviously, for a guy who shares common interests and world-view. That's pretty basic and essential in any relationship, and where it should start.

Where it gets more difficult, I guess, is a guy who is willing to see past anatomy and try to get to know ME. I'm a silly, geeky, girl who can quote Monty Python, discuss politics, talk for hours on a wide variety of topics, rock house in most video games, and has a soft spot for kids and animals. A guy who can appreciate those qualities and be a companion in them.. mmm.

On the shallow end, I do take good care of myself. Estrogen tends to make gals chunky at the levels I started taking, so I'm in pretty good shape, and my guy should be to. There would have to be a physical attraction, tho I hardly have a "type". I'm also not really pressed either way about age.

I think the biggest issue facing guys who like T-gals is we know men... from the inside out.. we were with you in the gym in Hish School, we were your "buddies", we served with you in the military, etc. Even if I don't "get" how you all think, I know how you think. I can smell BS from 50 paces.

I don't have a set criteria for qualities I'm look for in a partner aside from humor (making me laugh is very sexy), ability to stimulate me mentally as well as physically, and a willingness to understand that I'm going to have some issues that most women never have.

Well !!
 

That's exactly how you should be thinking, simply ask yourself about what you want and why do you exactly want it, and when your mind is set on sth, thats when you start asking other people about what THEY want....
And with all due and proper respect, if someone doesn't like you for being who you are and for being honest and truthful to yourself Then they can go Fu** Themselves.

Too bad you're in the USA :))))

I suppose I should add, the ideal guy really must be comfortable with me being open about my status. I'm going to be working with GLBT runaways, and while I have no intention of ever being some Trans spokesmodel, I'll have to show by example that a person can live a fulfilling productive life without shame.

I think you should settle for no less than pure love. You deserve no less.
Here's a meta-phor. A gift with strings, Is no gift at all.

That's the plan, and I thought I had it....

One of the reasons I joined here is to get a better understanding of the mind set of the guys who are asking me out. What are their expectations? I'll be honest, I never have really watched "shemale porn" until now... I like porn, but it's been hetero mainstream stuff (with some gay porn because really the guys in gay porn are WAY hotter). So, seeing this and reading the comments has been helpful (a little discouraging, but helpful). :respect:

Keep up the search. It'll happen when it happens. Thats the only way things ever do work out. And a little more focus on your expectations are needed.

To Bionca:
Helpful I understand. But why are you discouraged? Please dont be.

To Sml-seeker:
Well said indeed. That is an epical statement worthy of praise.

I guess like most women, I'm more aware of what I don't want than what I do want. My only realy carved in stone expectations are respect, understanding, and honesty. Ideally one would play around with the particulars of personality during the dating part.

One thing that does kinda irritate me about other transwomen looking for a relationship is that they want to be treated like "a lady" (doors held open, stuff like that). Personally, I'd rather be treated like a person you want to impress (on the first few dates). Not like someone you are obligated to take out for drinks just so you can get in her panties.

My attitude is you drop it, you pick it up. LOL:lol:

Good policy!

As an aside, picking things up in a skirt is one of those things you don't think about until you have to do it. Growing up I'd bend at the waist, slight bend at the knee. In even a mid length skirt you need to fully bend at the knee unless you want to give a free panty show to your neighbors. Ahh the lessons learned.

I'm sure some people enjoyed what they got to see.:lol:

Hmm.. probably :innocent:

Just trying to imagine, these down to earth admissions!
Ummm, "seeing is believing" or "To see or not to see, that is the question"
Will Shakes.

Well, Good Luck to you Bionca, too bad you are in the US :-)

Cham

Your eyes rarely ever show you the truth anyhow. To not see is to believe, for if one is left blind one has to find another way to believe. So i say i wish society would just climatize.

Comments on the site in general, rather than on this thread specifically. Discouraging, because guys are both more and less honest with eachother about sex. They will be more willing to discuss what they like/want and more likely to exagerate what they have done or would do.

So, it's a little strange being a woman reading what is in essence "locker room talk". I just need to switch my frame of referance, and not try to compare myself to a fantasy.

What you actually see is first hand proof of anything. Then the fact is strongly set in your mind as Truth. Nobody can uproot your belief from its foundation.
But if you dont see anything but still believe, that is a weak notion just waiting to be jolted. So they say, "seeing is believing."

:lol: You really are a funny girl. Have you ever considered writing a book? I can vouch that it will definitely sell.;)

Everything is a dream or fantasy until you try it. Some guys just dream all through life and only a few realize it.

Reality the bitch
 

One thing I dont like is how easily people give up their dreams and compromise with "harsh reality". I think one should never give up and continue to fight lifelong if need be. And ultimately bend the bitch called reality and make it concur with our dreams.
Ahmm... forgive my being so poetic. But I'm sure you get the idea.:yes:

Well, I've been on the other end of fantasy fulfillment, that is I was the one who was supposed to fulfill the fantasy. Unfortunately, nobody can measure up to someone's fantasy. Porn is the perfect example. On planet porno every woman is sexually available, willing to bang you and your wife, you can be a shabby-looking Ron Jeremy and get all the chicks you want, every plumber gets his dick sucked while fixing a sink. But, everyone knows that's not really gunna happen. Why? Because everyone knows genetic women and knows what to expect.

Fewer people have the balance between shemale fantasy and transwoman reality. Shemale porn is just as unrealistic, in some cases laughably so. The counter for most isn't there because they don't know if they know trans women. Or the Transwomen they do know don't pass very well.

So, I don't have issue with fantasy or porn. I'm just happier when I'm not expected to act like I'm in one.

I wish i had the chance to meet you a few years ago. You seem quite lovely from where i stand. I'm sure there are many like me willing to give their heart for you.

Indeed!
Only in ones imagination, not in the real world, wise girl!
:lol: Yeah I always thought of that. The guy is all hairy and looks like he has a keg hidden in his belly!
Please elaborate.
On 2nd thoughts, I say there is a serious need for mass awareness.
The Ts subject is still hush-hush, even though the society boasts to be "modern" and "scientific".

That may have come off more hostile than I intended.

Oooooh! :heart:

I say chaps, I can hear someones heart throbbing from a thousand miles away.:rolleyes:
Brave statement though!

Well I would have to say I only have time for sincere and honest people in my life and all i meant was i not in the life im in now, a life with her could be nice.

with the obvious perks.:turnon::lol:
really tho genuine is best. And, that she is.

Yeah, I agree with some of your points. Bionca is indeed a strong, honest and beautiful person (from inside out) with a great sense of humour. {That is what I gather from reading her posts.} She is a frank upfront girl.
Yippie:p Bionca, we're praising ya!

Yes i agree praise thee:yes::hug::yes:

Please elaborate.
On 2nd thoughts, I say there is a serious need for mass awareness.
The Ts subject is still hush-hush, even though the society boasts to be "modern" and "scientific".[/QUOTE]

Well, the goal for your average Transgendered woman is to pass undetected daily as a genetic woman. In short, those who can "pass" do - it's called "deep stealth" or "Woodworked". It about safety and simply maintaing a "normal" life.

I'm currently living in a large city the middle of Ohio and if every Transwoman and man that I know suddenly revealed their status the city would turn on it's ear. That's not counting the Part-Time Cross Dresser and kinky Transvestites either.

The issue is really one of awareness and is related to the gay movement. In the 70's all you saw about gay men and lesbians were images of people who were steriotypical "flaming queens" or "butch" gals. They were shown as murders or victems who in some waydiserved to be punished. With Transwomen, until recently, we were shown as being hookers, or predatory decevers who try to trick men into sleeping with us (a common porn fantasy too). Either that or we are the pathetic helpless victem. Obviously there are some exceptions. It's a steep uphill battle when our shared community is most commonly shown on the Jerry Springer Show (A particularly scandalous "talk" show in the US).

Even with science showing more and more that gender identity is not created by the formation of genetalia, people still view this as a choice or a mental problem at best, a sexual kink as worst. We need the scientific community to get off it's collective bottoms, for Transwomen to feel safe enough to be honest, and for the men and women who date us to be secure and safe enough to challenge society.

/rant off

I Think That !
 

It is not that easy, societies - even the most so called modern ones - are still not ready to face these issues, because they are preoccupied with lots of other matters, so they tend to just look the other way...

/rant on pls
An innocent question; did you graduate with "contemporary history"?;)
The hooker issue is due to the porn industry. People mostly associate Tgs with sex icons.
And I know what you mean about the fanciful scenario of shemales trying to entice men by deception. "Tranny-surprise" and such like are very successful websites rooted to that fantasy.

Modern society is still staggering on its weak legs. Its ignoring the issue of identity crisis. I would like to add here that:
For the general mass, the physical form is all that is true, the mental reality is still "not scientific enough". After all you cannot touch the mind, or see it or put it in a test tube! But may be, just may be there is a very slow shift towards acceptance of psychological concepts.

True
 

True True...

Thx sml-skr, buddy!
Now that "Miss Athena" is out of the scene, there's no point for me to hit my head on this thread anymore.:(
Adios, ciao, for sometime.

OK you guys are really sweet.. thanks :hug:

I graduated with a degree in Social Work, with a minor in Anthropology (don't ask).

The hooker issue is also in part because, well for lots of us it's the best option for money. Hormones aren't cheep and aren't covered by most insurance (particularly for the younger girls), any feminization surgeries are also VERY expensive and not covered. There is little legally that can be done if you get fired after anouncing you are going to transition, and having the appearance of a woman, but the paperwork of a man makes it hard to get a proper job. So, escorting is a way to get by, particularly for poor women. It's a catch 22, we are thought of as hookers and treated as such, we often have to become hookers because we can't get another job that would pay even close.

Science is actually starting to show some physical indications that gender identity is "hard wired" in the brain. A few years ago a doctor did autopsies on some post-op women and looked at their brains. He found that the structure of the brain was identical to genetic women's. The sample size was too small to make anything conclusive (only 6 people), but 100% of them had the same structural differances from male brains. For example, the portion of the brain that deals with language is larger in women than men, and the connections between the right and left sides are more developed in women. Given that the brain is fully developed well before sex organs are developed, this would seem to confirm that many transwomen are correct when we say we "have always been women".

The more this is studied as a medical condition rather than a "disorder", I think the more we will discover. The more we discover, the more comfortable people will be and the more people will understand that some girls are born with an innie and some are born with an outie.

As you say doctor.;)
In fact I believe that man and woman are not at all different. One is "just a hormone away" from the other. Poetically speaking.

Athena, I mean Bionca, au revoir my friend.
See you again in some 16 hours.:innocent:

Before I go... Whats that innie outie thing you just enounced?

Genitalia (innie = vagina/outie = penis)

:D:eek:

The theory of "Brain sex" is still pretty new, but it is being backed up with some pretty strong observations. It could be argued that gender is simply the way we are brought up, and there are plenty of men and women who do not conform to typical "male" and "female" behaviors who have no issue with their identity as a man or woman.

However, here is some pretty strong evidence from studying children that there is *something* to the idea that boys and girls relate to the world in a differing way. Not to mention some gendered behaviors that are held across cultures and times.

Athena: goddess of wisdom, Minerva.
Pretty indepth stuff you are broadcasting, Bionca! I think these things should be made known to as many people as possible. But then only a few can digest this stuff.:yes:
People in general are happy go nescient. But the odd thing is that most have got an aversion towards knowledge!!!
Still it is a good thing to try and pass on the information.

By the way, I just remembered something. As embryos, all are born the same. Then after some foetal development, the boys and girls genitalia start to segregate into different organs from the same parent organ. And this much is true:
glans of penis=clitoris
testes=ovaries

Also congrats on reaching the magic number of 41. That is of occult significance in this site. :)

I didn't really intend to get so "heavy" here, but I'm pleased that it's been so well received. I do agree that most people avoid learning things, particularly things that contradict tradition and time honored beliefs.

One theory as to how a person can have an identity contrary to their sex has to do with hormone levels in the womb after brain development and before sex expression. It is hard to prove because the adults who had been "estrogenated" would have to self-report to the DR conducting the study. It also fails to address transmen, since the same or similar washing of testosterone has not been seen to happen.

so umm... what happens with 41, aside from Life the universe and...everrything?

Everybody knows the magic number is really 42. Ask Douglas Adams.

Dang my bad... I lost Nerd points

Farewell and thanks for all the fish...

Isnt it "so long and thanx for all the fish".

you made me get my copy and check :p. it is "Thanks" :D

... and "so long"

:lol: sorry for the slang :lol:

Hi ppl, is anybody in the club? Am I too early or seriously late?:innocent:

What "Fishy" stuff is going on? All I know is that certain type of reptiles can change the sex of their eggs from male to female or vice-versa according to the need of the species. Cool huh? I think they just adjust the humidity and temperature during the incubation.

I say wise-girl this sounds a little contradictory.
Since we know that sex is determined during the union of sperm and ovum. As the cellulor nuclei combine and fuse their genetic content during zygote formation, sex is determined by the type of chromosome in the donated sperm.
If the sperm is Y type, then the resulting cell will become XY (as the egg is always X) and a male baby will ensue.
If on the other scenario, the sperm is X type, the baby will be female or XX.
The rest of the nine months of pregnancy is just duplication of the same cell bearing the same resulting gene to form the millions of cells that construct this body. Although cells take up different functions and form different tissues and ultimately the various organs, etc. Brain cells, heart cells, bone cells, muscle cells and so on.:yes:
My point is sex is NOT determined after brain development, it is done immediately after the fusion of the sperm and ovum.:cool:

At it's most simple, yes. But XX/XY are not the only chromosome combinations, XXY and XYX for example, an estimated 20% of the population does not have a tidy XX/XY chromosome combination.

Even so, what I was talking about was called "estrogenation". The foetus, developing as normal, will sometimes be exposed to higher than normal levels of estrogen. The theory is this affects the way the foetal brain develops since this. Extreem estrogenation is thought to be one of the reasons for intersex births (children born with "ambiguous genitalia" or rarely hermaphrodytism). Perhaps a less extreem change in the hormonal soup that surrounds a developing foetus would cause the conditions that lead to Gender Identiy Disorder or Gender Dysphoria.

Good conversation.. I like this

Ya ya doctor, but not all that comes out of those luscious lips are true.
Exhibit some reliable references and I will agree. As I am offering you.
1) Prior to & during pregnancy, a hearty diet consisting of lots of sugar, rich in nutrients, Na (sodium), Ca (calcium), Vit-C, E, B12 increase chances of having a male child. ~ {study, published in the U.K. journal, the Proceedings of the Royal Society B. Related to: Fiona Mathews of the University of Exeter in England }
Actually this diet tampers the ph level , the acid-alkali balance is taken to an optimum condition which encourages the Y-gened-sperms to flourish easily inside the uterus. (and perhaps hinders the X-sperms?) (actually some sperms even meet the ovum inside the Fallopian tube!)
Ref site.

2) In ayurveda and yoga books some are of opinion that if the blood of the mother is Alkaline during mating, the child will be male; and acidic will lead to female.

Sexual differentiation of the mammalian brain starts during fetal development and continues after birth (Kawata, 1995; Swaab et. al., 2001). It is hypothesised that in humans, in common with all other mammals studied, hormones significantly influence this dimorphic development although, at present, the exact mechanism is incompletely understood. It is also postulated that these hormonal effects occur at several critical periods of development of the sexual differentiation of the brain during which gender identity is established, initially during the fetal period, then around the time of birth; and also post-natally. Factors which may contribute to an altered hormone environment in the brain at the critical moments in its early development might include genetic influences (Landèn, 1999; Coolidge et. al, 2002) and/or medication, environmental influences (Diamond et. al., 1996; Whitten et. al., 2002), stress or trauma to the mother during pregnancy (Ward et. al., 2002; Swaab et. al., 2002).

http://www.gires.org.uk/Web_Page_Ass...ion_signed.htm

You seem to be making a point about biological sex. However, this is not the same as Gender. One's gender is part of their personal identity, the way we understand ourselves on a fundimental level. I'm not sure if you are making a point that Gender Dysphoria is has no biological cause or if you are stating that the male/female sex can be modified during gestation.

In my last post I didnt say anything for or against alteration of or influence on human sexual behavior caused by hormonal disbalance or medicinal or chemical induction. What I said is that the embryo being male or female is just not a whim of nature, not some silly permutaion of genes, or "chance". It has a reason or science behind it. And the more we learn, the more we know about the laws of nature. Otherwise we humans would still be sitting in front of caves and eating raw meat from the last woolly mammoth hunt!
I also want you to know that I strongly believe: we are basically Human. Man is the same as woman, give and take a few hormones. Also, its all a matter of the mind. We are what we believe.

:) Then we have essentially been talking about two different things. The cause of a person's sex (M/F) is understood to a greater degree, along with the host of variable X and Y chromsome combinations, than the cause of a person's gender. s gender simply a social construct? Are there biological differances aside from physicality between the sexes? What causes a person with a typical sex understand themselves to be a member of the other?

You are correct in that we are all human and individuals. Our commonalities are far greater than any differances.

My opinion on the matter...
 

Bionica I have to say after reading that rant, that if thats what you expect you are gonna be let down, its true what you are saying however we cant expect society to change like that. Instead to find happiness you find it in a few people who all understand you, if you think about it thats pretty much why this foruym exists. Many of us, I am assuming, probably don't reveal our love for transexuals to our family or friends. So we vent here, just like there are transexual clubs gay ckubs etc. The idea is think globablly act locally, in other words its good to have the viewpointsthat you have, (your idea about science needed to make a stand about the issue and all), but just try to consolidate it amongst a few good people. And if those people love you and care about you sal gooood, you know what i mean?

And Bionica I think you should no problem find someone good for you, by what I read in this thread you are a smart gal, your more than just a pretty face.

Anyways I hope you find what you are looking for;)

Summery: Sex and Gender are two different things according to you. Right?

Sex= the physical appearence aquired by birth
Gender= mental makeup which tells you whether you are male or female irrespective of the biological sexual organs you possess.

If the above is true, then YES, gender is psychological. It is an acquired condition, which is fully influenced by my personal history (experiences), social interaction, independent thinking, environment and of-course physical condition (including hormone balance prevailing the body)

What do you mean by physicality? External physical appearence?
By biological differences you must include the internal organs and the hormones secreted or ingested; Because that can radically modify the physiological mechanism of a human being.

wow deep very deep

BY physicality I'm talking about the differances in the body between men and women. Physical strength, Pain threshold, body hair, body fat distribution. The things that can be measured happening within the body. These differances are easy to see and understand - and sometimes modify by varying hormone levels.

The question being posed by some scientists is if gender identity has a physiological componant. It is hard to determine because we can only express identity in emotional or psychological terms "I FEEL like a woman", "I have never been COMFORTABLE as a man", "I don't RELATE to my body". The words sound subjective because science has not determined if, in fact, men and women are actually fundimentally different mentally and emotionally, or if our ideas of what it is to FEEL like a man/woman are purely artifical and used to prop up gender roles and "appropriate" gendered behaviors.

So far the best evidence is saying that our gender identity can be influenced by hormone levels in the womb, and also by post natal hormone levels. An example (that fits with the theme of this site) would be a Thai Ladyboy who identified as male, but due to economic reasons started to take hormones to make money as a "bar girl". Estrogen will affect us physically and emotionally and over a few years some "male identified" ladyboys will honestly say they "Feel like women" and some even opt for sex reassignment surgery or stay as a ladyboy long after their profitability as a "bar girl" is long past.

Still other (like myself) simply never considered that we were male. I'd tell everyone I was a girl, I'd get in arguements with adults who'd call me a boy. This was happening in very early childhood - before age 5. My mother even wrote my first teacher to warn her that "He sometimes thinks he's a girl". So, simply from my own history, the idea that high levels of estrogen were present as my brain was forming makes sence. Essentailly that Gender Identity as a physical/biological cause.

Ok, lets talk about Hormones
 

Ok, I cannot argue with your first hand experience. Whatever I say would only be scientific guesses compared to your real life experiences.
But one thing intrigues me though. Why do you focus so much on Oestrogen? Well, there are other female hormones too. Is it a general term for a cocktail of all major female hormones? Like:
Estrogen= A general term for female steroid sex hormones that are secreted by the ovary and responsible for typical female sexual characteristics.
As you must know, there are four major female hormones:
1)Oestrogen ;)
And the rest are:
2)Progesterone
3)Follicle Stimulating Hormone
4)LH

What special import does estrogen have for the T-girls?
Is it because one of oestrogen's many properties is fat distribution on the hips, breasts, abdomen, thighs, buttocks and all such :kiss: curvy areas :kiss: that makes an ideal "soft bodied" female?:rolleyes:

Yes, using Estrogen as a generic term. Most people understand Testosterone and Estrogen and that's where it stops. Estrogen is important to T-gals for the very reasons you mentioned with the addition of making the skin softer. This is taken along with anti-Androgens to lessen the production of testosterone. The lessening of testosterone has the effect of stopping male pattern baldness, eventually lessening and stopping the growth of body hair (except facial hair unfortunately) and allows the female hormones to work more effciently to feminize the body.

Getting a little heavy?
 

Well to lighten the discussion a little, I did find some pics I had from a while ago. I'm not using my computer, so these are photos I sent to my brother.. he's such a sweet sillydork for keeping these.

The B&W one is from a brief try at modeling I did 3 years ago. Yes.. I was blond

The head shot (cropped to protect the innocent) was probably 6 years ago, when I first really started to pass. No surgeries yet.

hmm maybe with the pics this time...

Damn!!!
 

Your Pretty Hot.... Wow

OooooooooooooooHoooooooo!! :inlove:(imagine the voice from Adam's Family cartoons):lol:
A ravishing blonde! :drool:
And a kind looking angelic brunette!!
Are both of them you? :innocent:

Tell me if you have other pictures elsewhere... I would love to see some more. Yeah, you Aphrodite! You have been hiding the real goodies from us for so long. :yes:
It is a crime to deprive us!
Show us more.... more.... now....your eyes are feeling heavy.....do as i say...( :lol: desperately trying to hypnotise you:p )

Yes the blond was a silly attempy a few years ago to model ( don't we all try to model at some point). The face pic is really old, like 7 years old well before I started hormones and before my surgery. I'm sure you can see the guy features there under that (fake) hair. ;)

:no: I dont see nothin bad baby (answering in hip hop style)
Only words like delicious, attraction, magnetic and heavenly beauty are coming to my mind.
Why, I don' see damn nothin Laidie!! Everythin is hot an' smoking around you.:yes:

:lol:

too funny. A gal would be crazy to post to many pics on a site devoted to gals who are paid to look good. That and I've read comments about some stunning TGs here.. you all can be pretty critical. ;)

That and I think I have posted 3x the viewing material as 99.9% of the rest of you :p

You've only 2 hot hot hot photographs to show us? Shame!:frown:
Or,
Its a pity that you have so scarce a collection! :no:
Or,
Look into my eye, keep looking, you are feeling sleepy now... your eyes are so heavy... drowsy.... sleepy....you can only hear me as a voice in your head...do as I say... post all your hot, fashionable, pictures... now...do it... Yesssss....:p
Did I hypnotise you? So you are going to show us more, right?:lol:

What? Where? When? I did'nt see any? Have I been dreaming?

3x means THREE TIMES ... that was for all those people who have twisted minds.

Questions for the Wise Girl Bionca
 

I could fly thousands miles for you baby!
You are so so so pretty and sweet!
I love you since ever.

1) (a) Post-op girls are had surgery to convert the penis into a vagina. Mind you, there is no "cutting off" or removing, the penis is literally used to form the vagina (b) Pre-op is a girl who has not had the operation and still has a penis that may or may not function depending of hormones. (c) "generic".. I think you meant "Genetic" women - women who were assigned "female" as birth who do not have any gender Identity issues. (d) you forgot non-op gals.. girls who are happy with a transsexual body or realize they will probably never have enough money for genital surgey. The penis may or may nor be fully functional.

2) Pesonally, I passes for a woman mush easier on the phone.. just always sounded like my mom. But yes, lots of gals have husky or "camp" gay men's voices. Voice training with a vocal coach can really help.

Beautiful And Smart. If you ask me it can't get better.:inlove: