Tracy, you've put words in my mouth. I was making no statement about whether you have a point in this current conversation...Only pointing out prior behavior and how it perhaps inflames this whole back-and-forth. Admittedly, you have done a better (perhaps not perfect...but who's perfect?) job of addressing my points/conversations. The whole dynamic between you and smc...It's comical at times. I will admit my own bias in that I share political disposition with smc on more topics than with you, so perhaps I'm drawn to taking his side more often than not. That said...You do come across as a troll quite often.

Quite frankly, I think you're both acting a bit childish. I'm so over this current conversation that I'm going to tune this thread out until it meanders into a discussion that I once again care to follow.

smc...
I posted a hitler spoof video, and then you asked me if I repudiate all of my ideological cothinkers on so many issues who have made such comparisons (between obama & hitler).

You have not pointed out any comparison in the video between obama and hitler. You've certainly agreed that I never said anything like that. It's really odd that you would suddenly blurt out such an off topic and inflamatory question. The only reason you've given is this:
Which is a general statement that because you think GOP candidates sympathize with the Tea Party, they must automatically agree with Tea Party supporters who carry obama/hitler signs. That may be a subject for this thread, in your own twisted reasoning, but it still does not explain what it has to do with the hitler spoof video I posted that makes no such comparison. With these off topic inflamatory remarks of your, I'd say you're trolling again.

Why, do you think I would have any reason to say the following about tslust:
You're not making any sense again.

I'm oppressed? News to me. But I will not respond to your trolling. And since you still cannot say how your question has anything to do with the video you popped a gasket over that apparently is exactly what it was.

omg... this is disgusting
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MxqkWhFcSA

Even Michelle cringed

Culturally legitimate for someone not raised as an American, who is now for some reason an American president.

You never did show that your question about obama/hitler comparisons were anything more than an off topic inflamatory remark and have yet to show any link to the video I posted that somehow prompted your question.

Fucking amazing. Well done Tracy. I even applauded you for being so subtle. It's not "culturally legitimate" because he was not raised as an American. It's culturally legitimate because it's meat like any other.

And you really must give up this pretense about smc posting off topic remarks. He made it quite clear that it is troubling for you to have posted a video about Hitler reacting to Obama not because it made an explicit link between the two men but that they both were part of the video and that it was you of all people posting it.

I find it funny how the GOP cling to there Obama/Hitler BS when if you read your non Rush/Ann history books you will find that Hitler and the Nazis grabed power thru the use of hatred/fear which is the GOP trump card ever election cycle
:eek: Jeerseygirl Jen

I do believe that an American president should be raised as an American. Sue me. No need to play the race card. Last I checked there were several races in America.

Who in the GOP clings to their obama/hitler bs? I have never made any such comparison and I can think of many reasons to get rid of BO that have nothing to do with hitler. (other than a video I saw where Obama ate Hitler's dog... just sad). Do you know any GOP candidates who spew obama/hitler BS? Let's not pretend that democrats didn't frequently compare Bush to hitler. And for the inevitable smc reply, not denouncing is not the same as spewing hitler bs. Not that they haven't denounced what some people have said about obama & hitler, I don't know. I'm just saying it's not the same.

Hopefully I've correctly stated my thoughts on this, but if not, perhaps some kind person will tell you what I really meant to say.

Not in American culture it isn't. It's meat like any other in some non-american cultures.

His problem was that it was me of all people who posted it? LOL Actually I think you hit the nail on the head. I will not disagree with you there.

And when asked, smc did not say the video had anything to do with an obama/hitler comparison. He said it was just generally ok to raise that issue in this thread because:
It apparently had nothing to do with the video, and therefore nothing to do with me posting the video - other than, of course, it was me who posted the video. Good catch.

You didn't surmise any big thing Tracy. You are known for being provocative, which smc repeated recently, so between that and the Obama/Hitler comparisons that have been made by the Tea party the posting of the video is suspect at best. You are not the victim here and you insult everyone by trying to portray yourself as such when a good reading of the posts reveals you.

You are a hell of a poker player for doubling down on this parochial nonsense.

Give it a rest will you? I've been reading this Obama/Hitler stuff for too many days now.

You brought it up again in post 310. I'll be more than happy to discuss it with you as well.

the Obama/Hitler BS from the GOP
Let's start with the queen of the Tea party wack-a-dos Sarah Palin while doing her cause fear bus tour spoke about Obamacare claiming that every senior would have to go before a death panel before recieving an ok for any healthcare and then said you know who else had deathpanels? that's right Adolf Hitler and the Nazis
:eek: Jerseygirl Jen

I don't understand... I asked who in the GOP makes obama/hitler comparisons. You give a Sarah Palin example where she does not actually compare obama to hitler. Who made the comparison? You did. Actually her deathpanel jab sounds more like a comparison to Obama's own science czar, John Holdren.

Careful with this guilt by association line you're talking. Obama's worked hard to distance himself from all those shady characters like his anti-American "pastor", his terrorist friends and mentors and his communist mentors. And heck, we'd have to take another look at the the Democratic party too with the way they turn the other cheek about the new black panthers and the election manipulating acorn organization. Obama and the Democratics don't really support those people, do they?

I can understand why you don't want to admit that Sarah Palin is part of the GOP but GOP she is and like Romney she's a snake and does it in a indirect way and therefore can cliam she was taken out of context all the time knowing her followers got the message and the next day FOX AND RUSH spend the whole next day spreading her message along
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Mitt the bully
 

reported on CNN today
When Mitt attend his fancy prepschool he was a bully as he and five of his buddies beat up another student and the reason was because they felt that student was gay :eek: so Mitt being the compassionate Morman felt him and his buddies had every right to beat up a gay student
just got to love these GOP members who always talk about fellowing the teaching of the bible
So perhaps someone here can tell me the chapter and verse in the bible where GOD commands Thou shall beat the living daylights out of gays and transgendered
:confused: Jerseygirl Jen

Jen, that's taking the story entirely out of context. The student ended up being gay, but Romney's bullying can't be definitively linked to the student's sexuality. According to Romney (for whatever that's worth), the kid came out years later.

This is typical election year BS. I place about as much weight on this as the fact that Obama smoked reefer in college. Big deal. People are VERY different from their high school/adolescent years and the maturity of adulthood.

With that said, it wouldn't surprise me if Romney didn't sport a streak of homophobia (like many Republicans), but you can't really use juvenile incidents to prove it. There's a reason that juvenile criminal records are sealed...Kids do dumb shit when they're young. You're making this out to be a much bigger deal than it really is.

So because the kid was gay and Mitt's gaydar was working properly make Mitt not a bully and excusses him and his friends , well it does matter once a bully always a bully and it shows how he feels about others who don't think like himeveryone has the right to freedom only as long as you think and do as he doesthis lets others see his morman values and his views on freedom which is anyone not living in his narrow view has no right to live as they want

:eek: Jerseygirl Jen

Actually it went on for as long as it did because of your insistence that I answer a question that had nothing to do with the spoof video I posted, and was only as you claim relevant to the thread. So I am still wondering why, if it had nothing to do with the video i posted, why are you insisting on an answer from me? In other words, how did I get tangled up in your subtopic?

Sorry smc, I'm not going to let you get away with this bs. The record is here for all to see:
You say that I said you're accusing me of making a comparison (between Obama and Hitler). An assumption on my part because it's the only reason I could think of that you'd be pestering me about it. Ok, you're not accusing me of making a comparison. Fine. Like your quote above says, you're raising a question about the comparison in the context of the GOP, which you say is legitimate to the thread. If you said "that video you posted compares Obama to Hitler (which it doesn't) I ask you, Tracy Coxx, do you repudiate all of your ideological cothinkers on so many issues who have made such comparisons?" That I can see, if you erroneously thought the video made the comparison. But it doesn't and you never said it did, so I'm sorry, I am unable to make the connection from what you say is a legitimate thread discussion to my specific posting of that video. And I will treat it as the off-topic (in the context of the video I posted) inflammatory remark (i.e. troll-like remark) that it is. Better luck next time.

By the way, this is a simple yes-or-no question.

So are you saying now that you can separate the fact that some people have compared Obama to Hitler from my posting of a simple hitler spoof video?

Are you not now accusing me, as this post implies:
of posting a video that personally attacks you and others who have lost family members and loved ones to this monster? If so, I will answer your question.

And your latest bans demonstrates once again why it's not worth having a serious discussion with you. You, as always, are free to discuss what you want here. You will do it without me though. There's other far more interesting people here to talk to and I should take advantage of that while they're still around.

You're wrong. smc has banned anyone recently.

He likes to keep his hands clean and have others do it for him. Either way, there are far more interesting people here to talk to and I should take advantage of that while they're still around.

He had nothing to do with it and never had anyone do it for him.

ila, you are wasting your time. For TracyCoxx, the truth is never going to get in the way of making a "point." Meanwhile, I am left to wonder why TracyCoxx is allowed to make such a slanderous claim even after it has been refuted

Yeah... Like that

Exactly. You made the false claim. Now you double down. Tell the site owner in your next email that I called you a liar for the specific post and your doubling down on the false accusation ... an irrefutable fact. You were told by a moderator that what you posted wasn't true, and you still made the claim.. And you can add that I called your continued refusal to disavow the link made by your co-thinkers between Hitler and Obama, from which your latest crap posts are yet another dodge, an act of political cowardice ... which you have in a quantity that is truly staggering.

Click on "Contact Us" below to lodge your latest whining "I am the victim" PM to the site owner.

To clear things up and so there is no ambiguity whatsoever, the site owner and I were the only ones involved in the last bans. No one suggested it, demanded it, or even hinted at it. We did it as forum rules were broken and not for the first time by the affected individuals. Action had to be taken and it was.

Now it is time to put this thread back on the topic for which it was intended.

Woah... D?j? vu all over again

not to try and be dense, but what specific issue are you talking about? Yeah I know it's a knock on big evil corporations, but what about it?

It's about corporations being "people," which is obvious even to you ... as are the implications in our political system.

I think Mitt says it pretty simply:
"Corporations are people my friend... Everything corporations earn ultimately goes to people. Where do you think it goes?"

Those earnings go to people. Then they get taxed on those earnings. If you tax the corporation as well, you're taxing those people twice. As for your cartoon... A woman would be far more likely to give birth to a sole proprietorship don't you think?

In Obama's latest ads he's saying he's for insourcing. Yet his policies say otherwise. What corporation looking at this map would want to do business in the USA?

Oh, sorry. When you lead your response with "It's about corporations being "people" I thought that was the real question. I was going to thank you for this new rational dialog we've been having the last few days. Let's keep it going rather than devolving into our usual BS. Other than the way the implications to our political system question was downplayed in your response, it didn't occur to me to respond because, other than the sides the left and right have obviously taken I see no other implications. But please fill me in.

I know you wouldn't make the same mistake I made when I didn't answer your other question, so I'll wait for your answer to "What corporation looking at this map would want to do business in the USA?"

I'm sorry, too, because I really can't follow what you write in the quote just above. Please clarify. I'm serious; I don't get the next-to-last sentence in the paragraph.

You are trying to change the subject, as usual. We can have a discussion about corporate tax rates and other criteria that might be reasonable for corporations to decide where to do business. But answer the question: do you think corporations are people in that they should have the same rights afforded to individuals (such as "free speech" as defined in Citizens United, coupled with the "right" to be completely secretive about who is actually exercising that "right")?