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dauls 02-19-2011 09:13 PM

Devils 4-1 Hurricanes
 
A third win for the Devils over the 'Canes in twelve days.
...only 10pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

dauls 02-22-2011 10:06 PM

Devils 1-0 Stars
 
Nick Palmieri scores the only goal after 14:23 in the third. Kovalchuk gets another assist. :)
...only 9pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

smc 02-22-2011 10:30 PM

My Bruins beat the Flames tonight, with Milan Lucic continuing his winning ways with 2 goals!

shadows 02-22-2011 11:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dauls (Post 176555)
Nick Palmieri scores the only goal after 14:23 in the third. Kovalchuk gets another assist. :)
...only 9pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

Darn Devils! Shoo! Shoooooo!:eek:

While I am happy that the Devils are playing well, I do NOT like the system they are now playing. The Trap is back. Yay...:confused:

Maybe we'll get lucky and both our teams can make it into the playoffs. You never know! Toronto and New Jersey are playing really well right now(they had the misfortune of running into a motivated Anderson in net for their 1-0 loss to Ottawa...a game that they would have won if not for him! Why did Ottawa have to get rid of Elliot?) and Atlanta and Carolina are not.

So, let's keep our fingers crossed for that(but don't you dare pass the Leafs! Grrrrrr!:no:).;)

Also, I can't believe how wonderful Reimer is playing in net for the Leafs. Have we finally found our true #1 goalie?

His stats:

GP: 16

Win/Loss/OT Loss : 9-4-2

GA: 31

SA: 470

SV: 439

SV%: .934

GAA: 2.12

SO: 2

Has he logged enough time to be considered for Rookie Of The Year? He certainly is the MVP of the Leafs, as they have been a totally different team whenever he is net.

smc 02-24-2011 04:11 PM

Part 1 of an excellent article from today's Boston Globe, worthy of a read by all hockey fans:

A head-scratcher for NHL

Many concussions come on legal hits, leaving league with vexing problem


By John Powers
Globe Staff / February 24, 2011

Brian Burke remembers how hockey dealt with concussions when he was playing in the minors in the late 1970s.

?Coming back to the bench after you got your bell rung, you puked, you missed one shift, you waited until the cobwebs cleared, then the trainer gave you one of those little ammonia sniffers,?? says the Maple Leafs president/general manager. ?And you went back out.??

Now, with the number of head injuries on the rise and the game?s best player on the shelf indefinitely, concussions have become what Burke calls the ?issue du jour,?? with more than 60 NHL players reportedly diagnosed already this season. Though the league has banned the most vicious head shots, legitimate checks and accidental collisions have increased the number of injuries.

Pittsburgh superstar Sidney Crosby, who hasn?t played since Jan. 5 after receiving head blows in successive games, was hit inadvertently in the jaw by Washington?s David Steckel, who was dashing for the puck, and then checked legally by Tampa Bay?s Victor Hedman, who pushed Crosby?s face into the boards from behind.

Thus the dilemma for the game?s guardians: How do they keep players from getting their brains scrambled without removing much of what makes hockey hockey?

?There is a reluctance to change the essence of the game,?? says Bill Daly, the NHL?s deputy commissioner. ?The physicality of the game is one of its greatest attractions.??

The league made a huge change last year when it created Rule 48 to eliminate blind-side and lateral hits in which the head either is targeted or is the principal point of contact. The penalty is stiff: a five-minute major and an automatic game misconduct, with the offender also missing the next game if the referee deems the hit was meant to injure.

?I think that?s a huge step forward for ice hockey,?? says Dr. Robert Cantu, the neurosurgeon who consulted with the Bruins after Patrice Bergeron and Marc Savard both were put out of commission. ?The [first] hit that put Savard out now is illegal.??

Yet most of the hits that cause concussions ? the head-on ?north-south?? shot and the shoulder check ? are within the sport?s rules and traditions, and there?s little appetite to ban them.

?Hitting is a big part of my game, and you want to do whatever you can to keep that physicality in the game,?? says Bruins forward Milan Lucic, who is both the club?s top goal scorer and its trademark thumper. ?It is a tough sport and it?s inevitable that concussions and injuries are going to happen.??

Tricky balancing act
Unlike most contact sports, hockey is played in an enclosed space with rigid wooden dashers, glass barriers, and a slippery playing surface that is pavement-hard.

?It?s an inherently unsafe workplace,?? observes Burke.

Since the workers themselves are significantly taller, heavier, and faster than they were half a century ago, the concussions are more frequent and serious.

?It?s speed,?? says Cantu, who is chief of neurosurgery service at Emerson Hospital and a professor at Boston University?s School of Medicine. ?The guys are big and strong and they hit with great velocity.??

Despite the rising concerns, hockey players still are less susceptible to concussions than their football counterparts.

?They?re both collision sports, but in football every single day there are subconcussive hits,?? says Dr. Ann McKee, a BU associate professor who directs the neuropathology service for the New England Veterans Administration medical centers. ?Hockey doesn?t have those.??

Still, the punishing give-and-take of the game has been part of the professional DNA since the NHL was founded nearly a century ago, and hard-nosed teams such as the Big Bad Bruins and the Broad Street Bullies of the 1970s were both feared and admired for their muscularity.

?We?re on record and we?ve said repeatedly that it?s important to maintain the fundamental nature of the sport, which is its physical aspect,?? says Daly.

But with Savard sidelined for the remainder of the season after sustaining a second concussion last month and Crosby?s return date unclear, there has been renewed focus on the balancing act between keeping players reasonably safe and turning the game into an all-skate.

?We?re ending careers far too early,?? says Paul Kelly, the former executive director of the NHL Players Association who now holds that post with College Hockey Inc. ?There are dozens of guys who could have and should have played five to 10 more years, but their careers were cut short by hits to the head.??

The concern about head injuries is not new. The NHL was the first professional league to form a working group for the study of concussions, the first to mandate neuropsychological baseline testing, and the first to develop diagnosis and return-to-play protocols. Players suspected of having been concussed are evaluated on the bench by either the team trainer or physician and, if so diagnosed, are kept out of action until they are deemed symptom-free.

Equipment challenges
Reducing the number and severity of concussions is a complex undertaking. Suggestions have included enlarging the playing surface, modifying the rink confines, softening the equipment, and changing the rules, but all of them come with tradeoffs.

Expanding the ice from the standard 200-by-85 feet to the international 200-by-98 size would require removing hundreds of prime seats at a time when foreign rinks are downsizing to the North American standard.

Because some concussions result from the player?s head bouncing off the glass, the NHL has been switching from the rigid seamless style back to the original design, with individual panes that are more forgiving.

Since most concussions, though, result from open-ice collisions, the conversation has been more about equipment ? specifically helmets and shoulder and elbow pads.

Mark Messier, the Hall of Famer who played 25 years in the league, has developed the M11 helmet that compresses to spread out the impact from a blow and then resets. But Messier and neurologists agree that no helmet can keep the brain from being bounced around by a direct blow.

?Helmets are made to prevent skull fractures and brain hemorrhages, not concussions,?? says Cantu, who is co-director of BU?s Center for the Study of Traumatic Encephalopathy.

The NHL didn?t require helmets until 1979 and grandfathered helmetless players who were already in the league.

?There wasn?t a whole lot of headhunting back then,?? recalls Rick Middleton, who played for the Bruins for a dozen years and didn?t wear a helmet until his final three seasons. ?Call it respect or fear of retribution. But when the game went to all helmets, the hitting definitely got higher. Guys would come and hit you under the chin.??

Equipment designed to prevent injuries to the wearer is being used as a weapon.

?If you put bigger shoulder pads on, the players go in harder,?? says Burke. ?If you put bigger helmets on, they go in head-first.??

A video analysis of 260 reported concussions over four seasons that was performed last year by Toronto neuropsychologist Dr. Paul Comper concluded that 60 percent resulted from a shoulder check.

Making the pads less armorlike likely would lower that number.

?I feel strongly about looking at the shoulder and elbow pads,?? says Bruins general manager Peter Chiarelli. ?They?ve done a good job in making them softer, but I think you have to get them even softer and smaller.??

Even then, there?s only so much cushion that can be provided in a collision with a defenseman who stands 6 feet 9 inches and weighs 255 pounds.

?The answer will never be technology,?? says McKee, a CSTE co-director.

[Part 2 follows in next post.]

smc 02-24-2011 04:12 PM

Part 2 of an excellent article from today's Boston Globe, worthy of a read by all hockey fans:

Hesitant to change rules
Tweaking the rules produces countermeasures as players find ways to adapt to restrictions. When the NHL began enforcing obstruction penalties to cut down on the clutching, grabbing, and hooking that was bogging down the game, defenders put more emphasis on playing the body. Comper?s analysis found that only a quarter of the concussed players had the puck when they were hit and that nearly half of them had just released it.

?When you get the puck and you know you?re going to be targeted, you?re braced because you know the hit is coming,?? says Cantu. ?Once you?ve passed it, your antennae aren?t quite as heightened.??

While banning north-south head shots clearly would reduce the number of concussions, it also would skew the time-tested equilibrium between offense and defense. As long as a player can see who?s coming at him, he?s fair game.

?From the time you?re 8 years old, you?re taught to keep your head up, and that if you get labeled, it?s your fault,?? says Kings general manager Dean Lombardi.

Even after he has released the puck, the offensive player has to expect to be taken out of the equation.

?Ever since I?ve been involved in the sport, you?ve been taught to finish your check,?? says Chiarelli. ?If you don?t, the guy knows you?re not finishing the check, so he has that much more freedom.??

Any change to the rulebook changes the game, which is why both management and players tend to react hesitantly to proposed alterations. While the general managers will deal with the concussion issue at their meeting next month and likely will talk about north-south hits, their sense is that Rule 48 should be given more time to work before more changes are made.

?Whenever you?re going to change a playing rule and people don?t have a degree of confidence in what the result will be, they?re going to be cautious about it,?? says Donald Fehr, executive director of the NHL Players Association. ?The uncertainty is one of the reasons for the caution.??

There is universal agreement that Rule 48 was necessary and that cheap shots to the head clearly diminished this season with only six penalties (four suspensions and two fines) assessed under the rule and players are more mindful about how they play the body.

?Definitely, guys are thinking a bit more,?? says Lucic. ?If you look at tapes of games where those hits could have happened, guys let up this year. So you can see somewhat of an improvement when it comes to that.??

But the NHL has never been an ice ballet, not since the Montreal Wanderers and Toronto Arenas first had at each other in 1917. Hockey is by its nature a concussive game, and the risks are obvious to everyone who pulls on a sweater.

?I say to people, these guys are all volunteers,?? says Burke. ?There?s no one out there who was conscripted. They signed on for a game that?s dangerous at times. We have to make it as safe as we can while preserving the fabric of the game.??

shadows 02-25-2011 12:46 AM

I can't say that I agree with Burke. The fabric of the game doesn't include dirty hits that concuss players. The majority of the concussions this season have happened from either dirty or borderline-dirty hits. They need to start punishing the offenders with REAL suspensions rather than the mickey-mouse ones that Campbell is so fond of handing out.

Getting rid of Campbell(and Bettman, as he obviously has a say in this regardless of what his "official" role is) would be a good step in the right direction.

shadows 02-25-2011 12:48 AM

Woohooooooooo! Toronto won 5-4 over Montreal. Sorry Ila, but Toronto needed this win.

They are now only 4 points out of a playoff spot(something that I honestly thought they would never attain a few weeks ago!), having passed an idle Atlanta to claim 10th place. They are only 1 point behind Buffalo(I hope Ottawa beats them tomorrow!) and 4 points behind Carolina. Boy, I haven't been this excited to be a Leafs fan in quite some time!

Go Leafs GOOOOOOOOOO!:)

smc 02-25-2011 04:58 AM

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Originally Posted by shadows (Post 176869)
I can't say that I agree with Burke. The fabric of the game doesn't include dirty hits that concuss players. The majority of the concussions this season have happened from either dirty or borderline-dirty hits. They need to start punishing the offenders with REAL suspensions rather than the mickey-mouse ones that Campbell is so fond of handing out.

Getting rid of Campbell(and Bettman, as he obviously has a say in this regardless of what his "official" role is) would be a good step in the right direction.

I agree with you. None of this will change until there is some radical action. Andrew Ference of the Bruins spoke out against one of his teammates doing to a player what happened to Mark Savard, and broadcasters like Don Cherry and Mike Milbury went out of their way to excoriate Ference as some kind of traitor. That shows how deeply ingrained is the culture of excessive violence in hockey. They put the "sport" over the life of players who may be scarred forever.

shadows 02-25-2011 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by smc (Post 176884)
I agree with you. None of this will change until there is some radical action. Andrew Ference of the Bruins spoke out against one of his teammates doing to a player what happened to Mark Savard, and broadcasters like Don Cherry and Mike Milbury went out of their way to excoriate Ference as some kind of traitor. That shows how deeply ingrained is the culture of excessive violence in hockey. They put the "sport" over the life of players who may be scarred forever.

I think more people would have listened to Mario Lemieux's rant the other day if he didn't have Matt Cooke on his team. Cooke is one of the dirtiest players in the NHL today. He is a guy that should have been punted a long time ago.

dauls 02-25-2011 10:39 PM

Devils 1-2 Lightning
 
Our eight-game winning streak ended by two Bolts' goals in 54 mad, 2nd period seconds. :(

...11pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

transjen 02-25-2011 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dauls (Post 176986)
Our eight-game winning streak ended by two Bolts' goals in 54 mad, 2nd period seconds. :(

...11pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

It's always a sad event when Tampa wins, a team that shouldn't be in the NHL to start with they have no true fan base when the played the Redwings awhile back in Tampa it was a sea of red jerseys as it looked more like a Redwings home game

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

k.sucks.you 02-26-2011 12:55 AM

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Originally Posted by transjen (Post 176989)
It's always a sad event when Tampa wins, a team that shouldn't be in the NHL to start with they have no true fan base when the played the Redwings awhile back in Tampa it was a sea of red jerseys as it looked more like a Redwings home game


:-) More than 450 Sharks fans went on the last road trip to Anaheim. The quote was "maybe we'll finally help them get a sellout down there". 17562 every game in the tank.

Sharks just swept a three game road trip. Red Wings, Pens, then Calgary. Nice! Niemi is playing on his head. Most of February was on the road, but we now have fewer road games left of any NHL team.

Wings game was a heart stopper both ways all night. Great game.

Marleau dropped the Pens with 4 seconds left in OT. Take your point east. The west needs two. Another great game.

The Calgary game was reffed pretty poorly, but was still pretty exciting, back and forth. Clowe gets some kind of modern Gordie Howe hat-trick, 4-minute minor, KO of Jackman (who didn't return), the game tying goal late in the third, then the OT shootout winner WITH HIS FOREHAND!

The west is still very tight, but Sharks are starting to separate a bit. You can't watch all the combinations of other teams helping out, just win your own games.

-K

shadows 02-26-2011 02:42 AM

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Originally Posted by dauls (Post 176986)
Our eight-game winning streak ended by two Bolts' goals in 54 mad, 2nd period seconds. :(

...11pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

The amazing part of their winning streak was the fact that Hedberg is now the #1 goalie! Brodeur has now been relegated to backup! I didn't think I would see that this season.

Pittsburgh and Ottawa did not do either of our teams a favour. Ottawa lost to Buffalo 4-2 and Pittsburgh lost 4-1 to Carolina. Some bad news for Carolina, that being Eric Staal left with an injury(the whispers saying that it could be a concussion).

That is bad news for Carolina. You never want to see a player get hurt even one from an opposing team. If it is a concussion, something NEEDS to be done! How many freaking stars have we lost this season to CONCUSSIONS?!?!

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At least Florida beat Atlanta 2-1 in a shootout to keep Toronto ahead of them.

ila 02-26-2011 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by shadows (Post 177011)
...Pittsburgh and Ottawa did not do either of our teams a favour. Ottawa lost to Buffalo 4-2 and Pittsburgh lost 4-1 to Carolina. Some bad news for Carolina, that being Eric Staal left with an injury(the whispers saying that it could be a concussion).

That is bad news for Carolina. You never want to see a player get hurt even one from an opposing team. If it is a concussion, something NEEDS to be done! How many freaking stars have we lost this season to CONCUSSIONS?!?!

The NHL paid only slightly more than lip service to the problems of concussions until Crosbie got hurt. Now it's all the talk with Lemieux doing a public whine about it. The problem of concussions should have been dealt with long ago. I think it's interesting that concussions became more common after hockey introduced all the safety equipment such as helmets and thicker padding all over. I think all this equipment gave players a false sense of security that has resulted in more dirty hits; or perhaps it's the bonus that goons receive not for playing hockey but for eliminating good players on the opposing teams.

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Originally Posted by shadows (Post 177011)
At least Florida beat Atlanta 2-1 in a shootout to keep Toronto ahead of them.

You realize, shadows, that if Toronto makes the playoffs this year that they will be eliminated in the first round, unless they meet Montreal in which case it becomes completely unpredictable. ;)

shadows 02-26-2011 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ila (Post 177046)
The NHL paid only slightly more than lip service to the problems of concussions until Crosbie got hurt. Now it's all the talk with Lemieux doing a public whine about it. The problem of concussions should have been dealt with long ago. I think it's interesting that concussions became more common after hockey introduced all the safety equipment such as helmets and thicker padding all over. I think all this equipment gave players a false sense of security that has resulted in more dirty hits; or perhaps it's the bonus that goons receive not for playing hockey but for eliminating good players on the opposing teams.



You realize, shadows, that if Toronto makes the playoffs this year that they will be eliminated in the first round, unless they meet Montreal in which case it becomes completely unpredictable. ;)

The playoffs being the way they are, you never can tell who will make it onto the second round. All it takes is a super-hot goalie and all bets are off(like Halak last year). Washington are notorious playoff chokers, and who knows if Crosby will ever be like he was before the concussion so Pittsburgh is a crapshoot.

Philly would be a challenge, as would Boston(Toronto has struggled against them). Tampa Bay has good offense, but their goaltending is suspect(which is why I think they will get bounced fairly early). The Rangers? 50-50 chance.

Montreal I would not want to face just so two Canadian teams would have a chance to move onto the second round than just the one.

At least Montreal did the Leafs a favour tonight and won in regulation. Unfortunately the Leafs played a sloppy game and only got 1 point. Buffalo lost in the shootout, so at least they did not gain any more ground either.

If Toronto gets back to playing a good defensive game, then they should beat Atlanta tomorrow. I think they have a good chance to do so(Atlanta is freefalling!).

ila 02-26-2011 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by shadows (Post 177118)
...If Toronto gets back to playing a good defensive game, then they should beat Atlanta tomorrow. I think they have a good chance to do so(Atlanta is freefalling!).

I think that they'll beat Atlanta without any problem. All of the Atlanta players are too busy wondering where they'll be playing next season and as a result they have no time to concentrate on playing hockey.

transjen 02-27-2011 12:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ila (Post 177125)
I think that they'll beat Atlanta without any problem. All of the Atlanta players are too busy wondering where they'll be playing next season and as a result they have no time to concentrate on playing hockey.

Can you say Winnapeg Jets 2.0

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

smc 02-27-2011 12:34 AM

A great win by the Bruins over Vancouver tonight, 3-1, with hometown favorite Milan Lucic scoring the winning goal. The bad news is the big hit by fourth-line forward Victor Oreskovich of the Canucks, who took out Bruins defenseman Andrew Ference with a lower body injury late in the first period. That might keep Ference out a while.

Four straight wins on this six-game road trip keeps Boston ahead of Montreal by 4 points.

ila 02-27-2011 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by transjen (Post 177134)
Can you say Winnapeg Jets 2.0

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

It is quite possible that Atlanta will move to Winnipeg. If they don't then it will the Coyotes moving and then we can call them Winnipeg Jets 1.2 :)

shadows 02-27-2011 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ila (Post 177125)
I think that they'll beat Atlanta without any problem. All of the Atlanta players are too busy wondering where they'll be playing next season and as a result they have no time to concentrate on playing hockey.

That would have been the case if Reimer didn't have to leave the game due to a fucking knee from Evander Kane(will he get suspended for it? I hope so. Since when does a knee to the head constitute a freaking "Interference On Goaltender penalty?!?). Reimer leaves, Toronto falls apart. Giguere gives up a PATHETIC game-winning goal and Toronto gives up the extra point AGAIN!

They should have beaten Pittsburgh last night and they should have beaten Atlanta tonight(who were 1-7-2 in their last 10 games for fuck's sake!).

If Reimer is gone long-term(or even for more than one or two games), then the Leaf's slim playoff hopes are gone totally.

dauls 02-27-2011 07:11 PM

Devils 2-1 Panthers
 
Devils win in Brodeur's first game after three weeks out injured.

...only 9pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

shadows 02-27-2011 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dauls (Post 177202)
Devils win in Brodeur's first game after three weeks out injured.

...only 9pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

Honestly, I am glad that the Devils won.:) They ensured that Florida remained 4 points back of Toronto. Of course, the Devils are only 5 points behind the Leafs.:eek:

*sigh*

I hope Reimer is okay.:(

dauls 02-27-2011 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shadows (Post 177203)
Honestly, I am glad that the Devils won.:) They ensured that Florida remained 4 points back of Toronto. Of course, the Devils are only 5 points behind the Leafs.:eek:

*sigh*

I hope Reimer is okay.:(

You don't want to worry about being caught by the Florida Pussycats, you've got Sabres and Hurricanes to tame.

The Devils have forty points to play for and another five spots to climb in the East. :innocent: It should be an interesting six weeks.

transjen 02-27-2011 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ila (Post 177175)
It is quite possible that Atlanta will move to Winnipeg. If they don't then it will the Coyotes moving and then we can call them Winnipeg Jets 1.2 :)

How odd would it be if the Coyotes went back to Winnipeg where they started but i believe they found a buyer who plans to stay put but Atlanta is still not sure but if they do relocate it will be the second NHL from Atlanta to move to Canada for those to young to remember the Flames started out in Altana and left due to poor attendance which to me is proof that the NHL will never make it in the south as they are mostly Nascar NFL and WWF fans and have little love for hockey

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

ila 02-28-2011 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by transjen (Post 177221)
How odd would it be if the Coyotes went back to Winnipeg where they started but i believe they found a buyer who plans to stay put

It's a complicated situation. Basically there is a buyer for the Coyotes. The price for the team is approx $175 million. The buyer wants the city of Glendale to put up $100 million or the deal is off. Glendale will get the right run the parking lot concession at the arena. Glendale plans to raise the 100 million through a bond offering. The are resulting problems from this. Glendale's credit rating has been downgraded, the bonds haven't gone on sale as there is not much interest in them, and there is a potential lawsuit from an organization if Glendale uses public money to support a sports team (it's against Arizona law). One consulting firm says Glendale will be able to make enough money per year from parking concessions to pay interest on the bond issue and another consulting firm says Glendale won't make enough. The arithmetic says Glendale won't make enough to pay interest let alone reduce the principal. The drop-dead date for the deal was supposed to be last Dec 31. The deal has not yet closed. The taxpayers of Glendale are going to take a hosing if the Coyotes stay and the same thing if they move. There is no support in Arizona for hockey except from the Canadians that live down there over the winter.


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Originally Posted by transjen (Post 177221)
but Atlanta is still not sure but if they do relocate it will be the second NHL from Atlanta to move to Canada for those to young to remember the Flames started out in Altana and left due to poor attendance which to me is proof that the NHL will never make it in the south as they are mostly Nascar NFL and WWF fans and have little love for hockey

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

This is all too true. Hockey does not sell in the south. I predict Nashville, Carolina, and the Florida teams will soon be gone.

transjen 02-28-2011 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ila (Post 177291)
It's a complicated situation. Basically there is a buyer for the Coyotes. The price for the team is approx $175 million. The buyer wants the city of Glendale to put up $100 million or the deal is off. Glendale will get the right run the parking lot concession at the arena. Glendale plans to raise the 100 million through a bond offering. The are resulting problems from this. Glendale's credit rating has been downgraded, the bonds haven't gone on sale as there is not much interest in them, and there is a potential lawsuit from an organization if Glendale uses public money to support a sports team (it's against Arizona law). One consulting firm says Glendale will be able to make enough money per year from parking concessions to pay interest on the bond issue and another consulting firm says Glendale won't make enough. The arithmetic says Glendale won't make enough to pay interest let alone reduce the principal. The drop-dead date for the deal was supposed to be last Dec 31. The deal has not yet closed. The taxpayers of Glendale are going to take a hosing if the Coyotes stay and the same thing if they move. There is no support in Arizona for hockey except from the Canadians that live down there over the winter.




This is all too true. Hockey does not sell in the south. I predict Nashville, Carolina, and the Florida teams will soon be gone.

Well the voters here in the US voted for a lot of the Tea party members who feel tax payers are over taxed and feel goverment should do nothing so goodbye Coytes, now FL is a lot like Glendale with a lot of Canadians down for the winter and the Tampa team does pretty good with them and when a Candian team comes down to play Tampa it's a sell out but they are not cheering for Tampa but they may keep Tampa a float and the Panthers will be the first to move and prehaps become the new Hartford Whalers and Nashvile and Carlonia will either fold or relocate must likely to Canada, i have heard some talk about NJ supporting a second hockey team but in the end it won't work as most South Jersey hockey fans all love the Flyers and those in North Jersey love the Devils making it very hard to get another team in there



:yes: Flyersfan Jen

ila 02-28-2011 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by transjen (Post 177306)
Well the voters here in the US voted for a lot of the Tea party members who feel tax payers are over taxed and feel goverment should do nothing so goodbye Coytes, now FL is a lot like Glendale with a lot of Canadians down for the winter and the Tampa team does pretty good with them and when a Candian team comes down to play Tampa it's a sell out but they are not cheering for Tampa but they may keep Tampa a float and the Panthers will be the first to move and prehaps become the new Hartford Whalers and Nashvile and Carlonia will either fold or relocate must likely to Canada, i have heard some talk about NJ supporting a second hockey team but in the end it won't work as most South Jersey hockey fans all love the Flyers and those in North Jersey love the Devils making it very hard to get another team in there



:yes: Flyersfan Jen

I can't see Hartford getting a team again. The seating capacity of their rink is too small and they don't have the population in the area to support a team. I can see Quebec City getting a team again and they deserve it. I also hope that Hamilton gets a team. They are long overdue an NHL team.

smc 02-28-2011 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ila (Post 177312)
I can't see Hartford getting a team again. The seating capacity of their rink is too small and they don't have the population in the area to support a team. I can see Quebec City getting a team again and they deserve it. I also hope that Hamilton gets a team. They are long overdue an NHL team.

I want to see Halifax -- my favorite Canadian city -- get an NHL team!

transjen 02-28-2011 11:11 PM

I feel all the cities mentioned by ILA and SMC all are better choices then FL CAROLINA and Nashvile, putting hockey teams in the south was a noble idea but it never took off while a lot of Candians head to FL for the winter as do a lot of seniors from the norther states they are not fans of the FL teams and only go when the home team comes down to Tampa and the locals can care less about hockey, it was a failed experment and the NHL should move to areas when hockey is loved, before i hear from the San Jose Sharks fan the teams in Cal are not really part of the south and the Kings and Sharks all seem to have a decent fan base unlike the above mentioned teams but the Ducks are another story and might be better off relocating and renaming

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

ila 03-01-2011 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 177320)
...but the Ducks are another story and might be better off relocating and renaming

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

I definitely agree. The Ducks was a stupid name. It may be appropriate for a kids' hockey team, but it's definitely not a wise selection for the NHL.

shadows 03-01-2011 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ila (Post 177396)
I definitely agree. The Ducks was a stupid name. It may be appropriate for a kids' hockey team, but it's definitely not a wise selection for the NHL.

When the team first came into existence, they were owned by Disney. They wanted it to coincide with their movies, so they were called the *shudder* Mighty Ducks. The NHL had nothing to do with the name.;)

shadows 03-01-2011 09:26 PM

Unfortunately for the Leafs, both Buffalo and Carolina won their games. Buffalo beat the Rangers 3-2. With that loss, the Rangers are now only 1 point up on Carolina(New York has 70 points while Carolina has 69).

Toronto is now 6 points behind Carolina and 4 points behind Buffalo.

Thank goodness for Montreal beating Atlanta to keep them behind Toronto(they both have 63 points, but Toronto has more wins).

smc 03-01-2011 09:30 PM

I am circulating a petition to keep the Bruins from being allowed to return to Boston. In fact, I don't want them to return to the United States. Tonight, they won their 6th game of the 6-game road trip, and they have been eating up their Canadian opponents as they move across the country!

shadows 03-01-2011 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smc (Post 177410)
I am circulating a petition to keep the Bruins from being allowed to return to Boston. In fact, I don't want them to return to the United States. Tonight, they won their 6th game of the 6-game road trip, and they have been eating up their Canadian opponents as they move across the country!

Didn't Toronto beat them the last time they met?;)

smc 03-01-2011 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 177413)
Didn't Toronto beat them the last time they met?;)

That was NOT this road trip.

dauls 03-02-2011 10:04 PM

Devils 2-1 Lightning
 
Kovalchuk scores again in a come from behind win over the Bolts. :)

...still only 9pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:
...and just 10pts behind 7th placed Rangers. :innocent:

transjen 03-02-2011 10:17 PM

A Tampa loose is always good news and makes for a happy night, i think only Chicgo is the only other team that i hate as much as Tampa

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

shadows 03-04-2011 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 177530)
A Tampa loose is always good news and makes for a happy night, i think only Chicgo is the only other team that i hate as much as Tampa

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

I certainly don't hate Chicago tonight. I want them to beat Carolina...in Regulation!(they've got a 5-2 lead with about 6:30 left in the third, so that looks good!).

Unfortunately, Ottawa decided to suck a lemon against the Rangers and lost 4-1 to them.:(

The Devils won again(a stupid penalty was taken by Pittsburgh in OT), beating Pittsburgh 2-1 in OT. Will they squeak into the playoffs(if they do, I hope it's not at the expense of Toronto!). I think that Pittsburgh will probably be punted from the playoffs in the early rounds. They just don't have that good of a team anymore.:eek:

dauls 03-04-2011 09:54 PM

Devils 2-1 Penguins (OT)
 
NHL.com called it "K-Ilya Instinct", corny I know, but who cares, we stole that extra point when Kovalchuk scored with only 24.9 seconds left in overtime. :)

...still 9pts behind 8th in the East, unless there is a Blackhawks meltdown during the last three minutes in Chicago. :innocent:

shadows 03-04-2011 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dauls (Post 177760)
NHL.com called it "K-Ilya Instinct", corny I know, but who cares, we stole that extra point when Kovalchuk scored with only 24.9 seconds left in overtime. :)

...still 9pts behind 8th in the East, unless there is a Blackhawks meltdown during the last three minutes in Chicago. :innocent:

A 5-2 lead with 25 seconds left. I don't think you have to worry.:lol:

transjen 03-04-2011 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 177758)
I certainly don't hate Chicago tonight. I want them to beat Carolina...in Regulation!(they've got a 5-2 lead with about 6:30 left in the third, so that looks good!).

Unfortunately, Ottawa decided to suck a lemon against the Rangers and lost 4-1 to them.:(

The Devils won again(a stupid penalty was taken by Pittsburgh in OT), beating Pittsburgh 2-1 in OT. Will they squeak into the playoffs(if they do, I hope it's not at the expense of Toronto!). I think that Pittsburgh will probably be punted from the playoffs in the early rounds. They just don't have that good of a team anymore.:eek:

I put a curse on Chicago they will go a 128 years before they get another Stanly cup so Blackhawk fans suffer with the Cubs you bums


:yes: Flyersfan Jen

shadows 03-04-2011 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 177766)
I put a curse on Chicago they will go a 128 years before they get another Stanly cup so Blackhawk fans suffer with the Cubs you bums


:yes: Flyersfan Jen

Your curse can go into effect for tomorrow's game. They are playing the Leafs.;):yes:

transjen 03-04-2011 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 177769)
Your curse can go into effect for tomorrow's game. They are playing the Leafs.;):yes:

The curse doesn't say they'll lose evey game it just says for the next 128 years Chicago win not get another Stanly cup they waited like 64 years to get the last one which they didn't deserve so it'll be double that long before they get there slimey hands on another


:yes: Flyersfan Jen

shadows 03-06-2011 07:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 177770)
The curse doesn't say they'll lose evey game it just says for the next 128 years Chicago win not get another Stanly cup they waited like 64 years to get the last one which they didn't deserve so it'll be double that long before they get there slimey hands on another


:yes: Flyersfan Jen

I wish your curse would have meant every game. They beat the Leafs last night 5-3.:(

Philadelphia needs to wake up, as they are playing some HORRIBLE hockey right now. They got their asses handed to them today by the Rangers, losing 7-0!:eek::eek:

Also, Buffalo won in OT and gained 2 more points on Toronto. They also leapfrogged over Carolina into 8th spot!

transjen 03-06-2011 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 177968)

Philadelphia needs to wake up, as they are playing some HORRIBLE hockey right now. They got their asses handed to them today by the Rangers, losing 7-0!:eek::eek:



I dfidn't see the first half and was 5- zip when i got home from the store and the part of the game i saw the goaltender appeared to not care and just wanted the game to end as he didn't even try to block a shot
Conspearecy theory
Flyers lost like five games in a row while the Devils have been on a tear so i think the Flyers are wearing Devils jerseys and playing as the Devils and the Devils are playing as the Flyers now you know how and way the 7- zip game today
:(:eek::eek: Flyersfan Jen

shadows 03-06-2011 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 177977)
I dfidn't see the first half and was 5- zip when i got home from the store and the part of the game i saw the goaltender appeared to not care and just wanted the game to end as he didn't even try to block a shot
Conspearecy theory
Flyers lost like five games in a row while the Devils have been on a tear so i think the Flyers are wearing Devils jerseys and playing as the Devils and the Devils are playing as the Flyers now you know how and way the 7- zip game today
:(:eek::eek: Flyersfan Jen

Nah, there's no conspiracy. They've just been on top for so long that they've let the foot off the gas a bit. They just need to get back into top gear and play like every game matters.:)

dauls 03-06-2011 09:43 PM

Devils 3-2 Islanders (SO)
 
Kovalchuk: 1 goal & 1 assist.

The Devils stole another extra point in a six-round shootout. :)

...only 8pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

transjen 03-07-2011 09:54 PM

are you ready for the return of the Kanas City Scouts
 
Don't laught i heard on the radio today coming home from work that Kanas City is talking to the NHL about getting a NHL franchise
so could this be the return of the Kanas city Scouts
for those new to hockey the Scouts become the Rockies who became the Devils

:eek: Flyersfan Jen

smc 03-08-2011 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 178107)
Don't laught i heard on the radio today coming home from work that Kanas City is talking to the NHL about getting a NHL franchise
so could this be the return of the Kanas city Scouts
for those new to hockey the Scouts become the Rockies who became the Devils

:eek: Flyersfan Jen

I lived in Kansas City for a few years a long time ago. It was only a couple of years after the Scouts had moved to Colorado. I was quite vocal about being a Bruins fan, and I must say that I never found a single person who a) gave a rat's ass about hockey or b) even remembered that Kansas City had recently had a hockey team!

transjen 03-08-2011 08:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smc (Post 178176)
I lived in Kansas City for a few years a long time ago. It was only a couple of years after the Scouts had moved to Colorado. I was quite vocal about being a Bruins fan, and I must say that I never found a single person who a) gave a rat's ass about hockey or b) even remembered that Kansas City had recently had a hockey team!

What would there reaction have been if you were as vocal about the RED SOX? as it sounds like you were there where the Royals were a top team

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

smc 03-08-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 178188)
What would there reaction have been if you were as vocal about the RED SOX? as it sounds like you were there where the Royals were a top team

:yes: Flyersfan Jen

Leave it to you, Jen, to catch that ... :respect:

By "vocal," I mean I talked about hockey when sports came up. And yes, the Royals were doing well. I went to lots of games at that ridiculous stadium with the fountains, and never missed a game when the Sox were in town. But rooting for a different team than the Royals while in Kansas City does not result in the death threats and invective that Phillies fans would inflict! ;)

shadows 03-08-2011 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 178107)
Don't laught i heard on the radio today coming home from work that Kanas City is talking to the NHL about getting a NHL franchise
so could this be the return of the Kanas city Scouts
for those new to hockey the Scouts become the Rockies who became the Devils

:eek: Flyersfan Jen

They better not get a team before Winnipeg.:no:

shadows 03-08-2011 11:47 PM

What a horrifying hit by Chara. I think that he will probably be getting a suspension for it. I thought Pacioretty had broken his neck! Scary, scary indeed!:eek::(

transjen 03-09-2011 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 178198)
They better not get a team before Winnipeg.:no:

There's a lots of other areas that deserve a NHL franchise more then KC but sadly Battman loves putting teams in areas that prefer nascar and WWE and monster truck rallies

:eek: Flyersfan Jen

shadows 03-09-2011 12:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 178202)
There's a lots of other areas that deserve a NHL franchise more then KC but sadly Battman loves putting teams in areas that prefer nascar and WWE and monster truck rallies

:eek: Flyersfan Jen

I can't think of a more deserving name for him than Buttman, as that is what his head is shoved up the majority of the time!;)

smc 03-09-2011 09:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 178199)
What a horrifying hit by Chara. I think that he will probably be getting a suspension for it. I thought Pacioretty had broken his neck! Scary, scary indeed!:eek::(

You are absolutely correct to use the word "horrifying," and I have no problem calling out even a member of my beloved Bruins for a dirty hit. However, having looked at the replay several times now, I think that while horrifying this was not dirty. It was big, but it didn't come from behind Pacioretty. Chara was skating along the boards and at the side of Pacioretty, and to finish a check leaned on him very heavily. Pacioretty's head and neck snapped against the stanchion -- and that wa indeed horrifying and very, very scary.

Chara is not even remotely known as a dirty player. He does battle for position, and uses his size (he's a good 7 inches taller than Pacioretty).

While Habs coach Jacques Martin has been insisting it was a dirty hit and has called for the league to review the tape, I think the tape doesn't lie.

However, I think Chara will get a suspension anyway. Why? The league has been so inconsistent about this growing problem that it will see an opportunity to look tough -- an opportunity it cannot pass up. And this will be exacerbated by the size difference between Chara and Pacioretty, which will make it even easier to defend a suspension.

I hope Pacioretty is okay!

smc 03-09-2011 04:06 PM

^^^^^

Canadiens head coach Jacques Martin updated the media on Max Pacioretty’s status this morning:

"Max Pacioretty has a severe concussion, as well as a fracture of the fourth cervical vertebrae, but it’s not displaced. Max will remain at the hospital for further observation. There will be no other prognosis for the time being, but he will obviously be out indefinitely. The most important thing for our organization right now is Max’s recovery. We will continue following recommendations from the doctors and of course, Max and his immediate family would appreciate privacy in this matter."

The NHL review of the incident resulted in a ruling that Chara did not intend to injure Pacioretty. Mike Murphy, senior VP of hockey operations, released this statement on behalf of the league:

"After a thorough review of the video I can find no basis to impose supplemental discipline. This hit resulted from a play that evolved and then happened very quickly -- with both players skating in the same direction and with Chara attempting to angle his opponent into the boards. I could not find any evidence to suggest that, beyond this being a correct call for interference, that Chara targeted the head of his opponent, left his feet or delivered the check in any other manner that could be deemed to be dangerous."

I am surprised by this, although it is clearly the correct call (as you can see from this video). Note that this is from the Bruins broadcast, so there is some bias -- although it turns out that Andy Brickley's assessment of Chara's hit is correct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPHHd6jmMo

It was clearly interference. The game misconduct and throwing Chara out of the game might have been an overreach, but understandable under the immediate circumstances. Regardless, though, I think Murphy's statement demonstrates that the NHL is thinking through how to avoid knee-jerk reactions to the roughness that is part and parcel of hockey while at the same time dealing with the growing number of dirty hits (which this was not). I don't think many of us who discuss hockey here have had occasion to say that the league got one right, but I hope we can agree this time.

ila 03-09-2011 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smc (Post 178254)
^^^^^

Canadiens head coach Jacques Martin updated the media on Max Pacioretty’s status this morning:

"Max Pacioretty has a severe concussion, as well as a fracture of the fourth cervical vertebrae, but it’s not displaced. Max will remain at the hospital for further observation. There will be no other prognosis for the time being, but he will obviously be out indefinitely. The most important thing for our organization right now is Max’s recovery. We will continue following recommendations from the doctors and of course, Max and his immediate family would appreciate privacy in this matter."

The NHL review of the incident resulted in a ruling that Chara did not intend to injure Pacioretty. Mike Murphy, senior VP of hockey operations, released this statement on behalf of the league:

"After a thorough review of the video I can find no basis to impose supplemental discipline. This hit resulted from a play that evolved and then happened very quickly -- with both players skating in the same direction and with Chara attempting to angle his opponent into the boards. I could not find any evidence to suggest that, beyond this being a correct call for interference, that Chara targeted the head of his opponent, left his feet or delivered the check in any other manner that could be deemed to be dangerous."

I am surprised by this, although it is clearly the correct call (as you can see from this video). Note that this is from the Bruins broadcast, so there is some bias -- although it turns out that Andy Brickley's assessment of Chara's hit is correct:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QPHHd6jmMo

It was clearly interference. The game misconduct and throwing Chara out of the game might have been an overreach, but understandable under the immediate circumstances. Regardless, though, I think Murphy's statement demonstrates that the NHL is thinking through how to avoid knee-jerk reactions to the roughness that is part and parcel of hockey while at the same time dealing with the growing number of dirty hits (which this was not). I don't think many of us who discuss hockey here have had occasion to say that the league got one right, but I hope we can agree this time.

At 10 seconds into the video Chara clearly has his right foot off the ice. This doesn't necessarily indicate a dirty hit, only that Chara was able to put more force behind his bodycheck.

smc 03-09-2011 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ila (Post 178257)
At 10 seconds into the video Chara clearly has his right foot off the ice. This doesn't necessarily indicate a dirty hit, only that Chara was able to put more force behind his bodycheck.

"Able to" -- yes, but the question is one of intent. As someone who skates and plays hockey, I know that there are lots of times when I have a foot off the ice. I think that plus the particular location of the bodycheck was a combination for disaster, but it still doesn't indicate intent. True, Pacioretty and Chara have some history, but Chara just has zero reputation for being a dirty player.

If I thought there was intent, I'd be screaming for a suspension -- not that my voice matters. But I have argued long and hard with my Bruins fans friends about how Andrew Ference was treated after his statement criticizing a teammate for a questionable hit, and I had an argument with Mike Milbury about it a few weeks ago at the store in my neighborhood he shops at!

ila 03-09-2011 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smc (Post 178258)
"Able to" -- yes, but the question is one of intent. As someone who skates and plays hockey, I know that there are lots of times when I have a foot off the ice. I think that plus the particular location of the bodycheck was a combination for disaster, but it still doesn't indicate intent. True, Pacioretty and Chara have some history, but Chara just has zero reputation for being a dirty player.

If I thought there was intent, I'd be screaming for a suspension -- not that my voice matters. But I have argued long and hard with my Bruins fans friends about how Andrew Ference was treated after his statement criticizing a teammate for a questionable hit, and I had an argument with Mike Milbury about it a few weeks ago at the store in my neighborhood he shops at!

I agree that there it looks like there was no intent to injure. My comment was in response to Mike Murphy's comment that Chara's feet were not off the ice. I'm not convinced that interference should have been called against Chara, either.

smc 03-10-2011 11:08 PM

from the GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK DEPARTMENT
 
This reminds me of when U.S. Senator Arlen Spector of Pennsylvania, a rabid fan of the Philadelphia Eagles football team, wanted to open a Congressional investigation into allegations that the New England Patriots had cheated by videotaping illegally during games. Surely the Montreal police, just like the U.S. Senate, have more important things to do with their time.

Good for Pacioretty for calling this investigation ridiculous, in so many words.



Montreal police investigating Chara's hit on Pacioretty

BOSTON (AP) -- Montreal police started a criminal investigation Thursday into the on-ice hit by Boston's Zdeno Chara that left the Canadiens' Max Pacioretty with a severe concussion and cracked vertebra.

Police said they are acting on a request by Quebec's director of criminal and penal prosecutions, Louis Dionne. After evidence is collected, it will be determined if there are grounds for prosecution, they said.

But Pacioretty said he doesn't want Chara prosecuted.

"I sincerely appreciate all of the support that I have received since my injury," he said in a statement. "I was disappointed that the NHL did not suspend Zdeno Chara. However, I have no desire for him to be prosecuted legally. I feel that the incident, as ugly as it was, was part of a hockey game.

"I understand that this is not my decision. I have respect and admiration for the authorities in Quebec. I simply wanted to make my opinion clear."

Also Thursday, Air Canada told the NHL it's considering withdrawing its sponsorship unless the league tightens rules to reduce potentially serious injuries. Commissioner Gary Bettman responded that his teams could retaliate by deciding to stop using Air Canada for charter flights, an important source of revenue for the airline.

Chara did not speak at length on the investigation when he talked after the Bruins' morning skate.

"I got some media information on that this morning," he said. "But like I said, right now, I'm focusing on playing my game, and playing hockey."

Chara, who said he had no intent to hurt Pacioretty, was given a major penalty for interference and a game misconduct on the play Tuesday. The Bruins captain has never been suspended in his 13-year career.

The NHL said Wednesday it would not suspend Chara for slamming Pacioretty into a padded stanchion supporting a glass partition. Pacioretty, 22, was released from the hospital Thursday and was resting at home, his agent said.

Among Thursday's other developments:

-Canadiens owner Geoff Molson said in an open letter to the team's fans that "the Montreal Canadiens organization does not agree" with NHL's decision not to suspend Chara.

-In Toronto, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the NHL, "for its own sake," should look seriously at the increase in serious injuries.

-NHL Players' Association executive director Don Fehr called for "maximizing the safety" in the area of the rink where the hit occurred and said the union would inspect the rink in Montreal "and elsewhere as needed, to make sure the appropriate padding is in place."

The league's general managers are expected to again address hits to the head at their annual meeting next week in Florida.

The Bruins entered Thursday night's game against the Buffalo Sabres with 84 points, tops in the Northeast Division. Montreal was in second place with 81 before its game versus the St. Louis Blues.

Pacioretty, who has 14 goals and 10 assists in 37 games, is out indefinitely.

"He has a right to be emotional and I respect that," Chara said. "I'm wishing him a fast recovery and hopefully he can be back on the ice soon and that's all we love to do. Obviously, when we go out there, we take risks. And sometimes, we do get hurt. But, it's just very unfortunate."

Bettman said in Washington, D.C., after a congressional panel discussion about encouraging youngsters to play hockey that "our hockey operations people are extraordinarily comfortable with the decision" to let Chara play.

"It was a horrific injury, we're sorry that it happened in our fast-paced, physical game, but I don't think whether or not supplemental discipline was imposed would change what happened and, in fact, the people in the game who I have heard from, almost to a person ... believe that it was handled appropriately," he said.

The league said it was "a hockey play that resulted in an injury because of the player colliding with the stanchion and then the ice surface."

Molson called news of the decision "a hard blow for both the players and fans of the Montreal Canadiens." He said Bettman had agreed to make the issue a priority at the upcoming GM meetings and added the decision "was one which shook the faith that we, as a community, have in this sport that we hold in such high regard."

Julien's team, on a two-game skid headed into Thursday, will need to maintain focus as this cloud hovers.

"There's still things hanging over our heads," he said. "It doesn't seem to want to disappear. It's not an easy situation because we understand that there's a player that's injured."

Bettman also said Pacioretty's injury is part of the game. Most concussions and head injuries this season have been from accidents or players falling rather than as the result of hits, he said.

There, indeed, has been strong debate this season over injuries from hits to the head. Pittsburgh star Sidney Crosby is among those sidelined with such an injury.

Montreal coach Jacques Martin, like Julien, will need to keep his team level headed. "Our mandate is to focus on the game," he said. "Hopefully next week, (the players) will be in better spirits."

The request for an investigation was filed by Dionne after he watched footage of Chara's hit, his spokeswoman said.

"Like all police investigations, evidence will be gathered and an investigation report will be submitted ... to see whether there's grounds for prosecution," spokeswoman Martine Berube said.

Chara was not in the starting lineup against the Sabres. But when he took the ice, and threw his first check of the night, the crowd cheered and chanted, "Cha-ra, Cha-ra" for about 20 seconds.

dauls 03-11-2011 09:44 PM

Devils 3-2 Thrashers (OT)
 
The Devils bounce back from Tuesday night's defeat by the Senators to steal another extra point with only 41.3 seconds of overtime remaining.

...still only 8pts behind both 7th and 8th in the East. :innocent:

dauls 03-13-2011 05:38 PM

Devils 3-2 Islanders (OT)
 
Another win stolen in OT when Anssi Salmela scored his first goal in 13 months. :)
...only 6tps behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

shadows 03-13-2011 07:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dauls (Post 178676)
Another win stolen in OT when Anssi Salmela scored his first goal in 13 months. :)
...only 6tps behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

Yeah, but Ottawa didn't do either of our teams a favour today as they lost 6-4 to Buffalo. Anderson picked a fine time to suck ass, especially since Buffalo was using their backup goalie for this game!

Now Toronto is 6 points back again and New Jersey 8 points back.

smc 03-13-2011 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 178687)
Yeah, but Ottawa didn't do either of our teams a favour today as they lost 6-4 to Buffalo. Anderson picked a fine time to suck ass, especially since Buffalo was using their backup goalie for this game!

Now Toronto is 6 points back again and New Jersey 8 points back.

Hey, don't knock sucking ass until you've tried it! ;)

transjen 03-13-2011 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smc (Post 178688)
Hey, don't knock sucking ass until you've tried it! ;)

AHH no thanks i'll pass on that one

:no: Flyersfan Jen

shadows 03-13-2011 07:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smc (Post 178688)
Hey, don't knock sucking ass until you've tried it! ;)

I will admit that I have never tried it, but that doesn't change the fact that Ottawa did not do what they were supposed to do.;):p

shadows 03-13-2011 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 178690)
AHH no thanks i'll pass on that one

:no: Flyersfan Jen

What happened with the Flyers last night? They had a lead and then seemed to fall apart in the third period(giving up 4 goals!) before losing in OT.:eek::eek:

dauls 03-15-2011 09:56 PM

Devils 4-2 Thrashers
 
A great 4-2 victory for the Devils after trailing the Thrashers 2-0 late in the first period. :)
...only 6pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

transjen 03-16-2011 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 178691)
I will admit that I have never tried it, but that doesn't change the fact that Ottawa did not do what they were supposed to do.;):p

Like i said the Flyers are playing wearing the Devils uniform and the Flyers got stuck with the players from the Devils :eek:

At least they beat the Panthers tonight
:yes: Flyersfan Jen

dauls 03-18-2011 02:52 PM

Devils 1-3 Senators
 
Damn! Devils suffer a second loss to Ottawa in nine days. :(

...still only 6pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

dauls 03-18-2011 09:24 PM

Devils 0-3 Capitals
 
Lost 3-0 to the Caps even though we outshot them 33-12. :frown:
...still 6pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

ila 03-18-2011 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dauls (Post 179177)
Lost 3-0 to the Caps even though we outshot them 33-12. :frown:
...still 6pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

I really don't like the Caps at all. And they beat Montreal just a couple of nights ago. Your news isn't making that loss any better, dauls. :lol:

Captn Sacto 03-19-2011 06:25 PM

Hometown Support
 
I have compiled attendance figures for the 2010-2011 season. The list is complete through yesterday?s games. The numbers do not include the opening week games played in Europe. The figures are from the ESPN website which list attendance and per cent of capacity.

Eleven teams have sold out all of their home games. Five of the six Canadian teams and six of the twenty-four US teams. The Senator?s are the lone Canadian team and have averaged 98.1% of capacity. The six US teams that have sold out every game are the Blackhawks, Blues, Bruins, Capitals, Penguins and the Sharks. Even though the Flyers have not sold out every game, they are still averaging over 100% capacity. Not sure how they figured out capacity. The Blackhawk?s have been as much as 12% over capacity. The fire marshal here would never let that happen. The other odd situation was with the Kings. 27 of there 34 games have exactly the same attendance of 18,118 people, which is 97.9% capacity. I would think they wouldn?t have the same figure all the time unless that was all they could seat.

As far as average attendance the top 5 are:
1) Blackhawks - 21,370
2) Canadians ? 21,273
3) Flames ? 19,783
4) Flyers ? 19,685
5) Red Wings ? 19,541

At the other end of the spectrum, three teams have average less than 70% capacity. The Islanders, Coyotes and Thrashers. The only other team below 80% is the Blue Jackets.

The bottom 5 teams in average attendance are:
1) Islanders ? 10,352
2) Coyotes ? 11,622
3) Thrashers ? 12,892
4) Blue Jackets ? 13,450
5) Devils ? 14,507

The Ducks, Stars and Avalanche are all just barely above the Devils and also less than 15,000.

Considering the fact that the Coyotes and Thrashers are both fighting for play-off spots while the Islanders have been pretty bad all year, I would consider them as the two teams with the least hometown support. The one team I was most surprised about is New Jersey. I thought they would have more support. Although it has been better the last 10 games where they are averaging almost 16,000.

FYI ? here are the southern teams:
Stars - 80.4%
Panthers ? 81.0%
Lightning ? 86.0%
Hurricanes ? 86.6%
Predators ? 93.2%

So if I were running the league I would move the Coyotes and Thrashers to Winnipeg and Hamilton. If the Islanders don?t get their attendance up, I would move them or the Blue Jackets to Quebec City.

I wouldn?t mind eliminating or moving the Stars, Panthers and Ducks. LA doesn?t need two teams and the Kings have much better supported. Heck, give Halifax a shot.

transjen 03-20-2011 03:13 PM

Well my Flyers have clinched a playoff spot
:yes: Flyersfan Jen

shadows 03-20-2011 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dauls (Post 179177)
Lost 3-0 to the Caps even though we outshot them 33-12. :frown:
...still 6pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

It is 7 points now(with Buffalo getting a point today, and New Jersey getting two).:eek:

Toronto's only 5 points out, but I don't like our chances of getting in. Unfortunately the Rangers are pretty much out of reach(8 points ahead of Toronto/10 points ahead of the Devils), so the 8th spot is pretty much the only slot attainable. New Jersey has a game on hand against the Rangers, but even with that it will be very hard to reach them.

dauls 03-20-2011 09:33 PM

Devils 3-0 Blue Jackets
 
Shutout #115 for Brodeur -- it's made easier when he only needs to save 13 shots.

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 179358)
It is 7 points now(with Buffalo getting a point today, and New Jersey getting two).:eek:

Toronto's only 5 points out, but I don't like our chances of getting in. Unfortunately the Rangers are pretty much out of reach(8 points ahead of Toronto/10 points ahead of the Devils), so the 8th spot is pretty much the only slot attainable. New Jersey has a game on hand against the Rangers, but even with that it will be very hard to reach them.

Damn Buffalo with an OT loss today, following on from their 8-2 thrashing of Atlanta last night.

Unfortunately for us, the Rangers and Sabres have found a bit of good form this month.

...ten games left and only 7pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

transjen 03-21-2011 10:17 PM

Am i the only one who has not intrest in watching the Penguins play without Crosby?
:yes: Flyersfan Jen

k.sucks.you 03-22-2011 01:45 AM

Just popping in to say that I want Detroit. Two points ahead of the sharks now.

It's going to be a crazy end to a crazy regular season. I don't know about you, but our last 8 games are in our division, and with the race so tight almost anything can happen. With that scenario it looks like at least one team in the pacific won't make the playoffs. Could be anyone.

Logan Couture, your 2011 NHL rookie of the year, crashed into the boards chasing the puck on the forecheck, and was carried into the dressing room in the last game against the Blues. Replays looked like he broke his knee or something; Horrible and ugly twisty thing. He's listed as day-to-day, and he's young, so maybe he'll be back. We need him!

-K

transjen 03-22-2011 10:54 PM

RATS!!!!shoulda stayed home
 
Went to the Flyers/Caps game tonight ever wore a retro Bobby Clarke Jersey and sure enought the Flyers lost in a shoot out
I really hate the shoot out crap it's hockeys verson of basketballs slam dunk geared foe a seven year old and those with the mentality of a secen year old
At least i got a cheesesteak from Pat's
:frown: Flyersfan Jen

shadows 03-23-2011 12:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dauls (Post 179364)
Shutout #115 for Brodeur -- it's made easier when he only needs to save 13 shots.



Damn Buffalo with an OT loss today, following on from their 8-2 thrashing of Atlanta last night.

Unfortunately for us, the Rangers and Sabres have found a bit of good form this month.

...ten games left and only 7pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

Yep. Buffalo and the Rangers picked a lousy time to go on a hot streak. Carolina won tonight as well, but I am not too worried about them.

The Devils lost tonight and I honestly think that pretty much cooked their goose. They are now 9 points behind Buffalo for 8th spot(with 9 games left). Toronto still has a (very) slim chance by winning tonight, and they remain 5 points behind Buffalo(the Buffalo/Toronto game on the 29th could be make or break, depending on how they do beforehand!).

shadows 03-23-2011 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by k.sucks.you (Post 179488)
Just popping in to say that I want Detroit. Two points ahead of the sharks now.

It's going to be a crazy end to a crazy regular season. I don't know about you, but our last 8 games are in our division, and with the race so tight almost anything can happen. With that scenario it looks like at least one team in the pacific won't make the playoffs. Could be anyone.

Logan Couture, your 2011 NHL rookie of the year, crashed into the boards chasing the puck on the forecheck, and was carried into the dressing room in the last game against the Blues. Replays looked like he broke his knee or something; Horrible and ugly twisty thing. He's listed as day-to-day, and he's young, so maybe he'll be back. We need him!

-K

I'm not sure he's a lock for ROTY. Skinner from Carolina could also win(Hall may have had a chance before getting a season-ending injury).

Some Montreal fans(thankfully the majority of Montreal fans don't think this) seem to think that PK Subban will win it all. I don't see that happening to be honest.

I would like James Reimer to win it, but I don't think he will(or if he even played enough games to be eligible).

k.sucks.you 03-23-2011 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 179568)
I'm not sure he's a lock for ROTY. Skinner from Carolina could also win(Hall may have had a chance before getting a season-ending injury).

Some Montreal fans(thankfully the majority of Montreal fans don't think this) seem to think that PK Subban will win it all. I don't see that happening to be honest.

I would like James Reimer to win it, but I don't think he will(or if he even played enough games to be eligible).

There's really good parity in the league; almost too much. It's no surprise that the ROTY is close. It often is though.

Trash talk aside, I think it's between Skinner and Couture. Logan, to me, is clearly better when you look at the complete game. He's tough in all three zones. He doesn't just get to the net, he's working hard on defense.

Tough for a rookie goalie, especially for a Leafs goalie. :-)

smc 03-23-2011 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 179557)
Went to the Flyers/Caps game tonight ever wore a retro Bobby Clarke Jersey and sure enought the Flyers lost in a shoot out
I really hate the shoot out crap it's hockeys verson of basketballs slam dunk geared foe a seven year old and those with the mentality of a secen year old
At least i got a cheesesteak from Pat's
:frown: Flyersfan Jen

I hate the shootout, too! And I'd take Pat's over Geno's any day!!

smc 03-24-2011 08:38 PM

Wow!
 
As the Bruins announcers said on the TV tonight, Montreal was "on the wrong side of a spanking" (which I guess might not be the case if you're into that sort of thing ;) ).

Boston 7, Habs 0. The Bruins had a 3-0 lead at the end of the 1st period. They scored the seventh goal with two guys in the penalty box. They have pulled ahead by 5 points in the Northeast Division, and the Canadiens have only 7 games left.

A message game? To quote a famous hockey mom (who's good for nothin' else): "You betcha!" :yes:

ila 03-24-2011 08:42 PM

^Montreal is just letting Boston build up some confidence in themselves. From now on until the end of the season Montreal will show Boston how hockey is really played. :)

smc 03-24-2011 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ila (Post 179749)
^Montreal is just letting Boston build up some confidence in themselves. From now on until the end of the season Montreal will show Boston how hockey is really played. :)

Exactly how much of that bottle of Jameson have you had tonight, my friend?! :lol:

ila 03-24-2011 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smc (Post 179750)
Exactly how much of that bottle of Jameson have you had tonight, my friend?! :lol:

Not enough to ease the pain of watching the piss-poor playing of Montreal.

Did Price let his evil twin brother play tonight?

transjen 03-24-2011 09:04 PM

Come on guys can't we all get along how about we all go to Pat's for a cheesesteak :drool:
:yes: Flyersfan Jen

ila 03-24-2011 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 179754)
Come on guys can't we all get along how about we all go to Pat's for a cheesesteak :drool:
:yes: Flyersfan Jen

That sounds like a great idea.

smc 03-25-2011 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by transjen (Post 179754)
Come on guys can't we all get along how about we all go to Pat's for a cheesesteak :drool:
:yes: Flyersfan Jen

Sure thing ... Pat's it is. Never Geno's!

dauls 03-25-2011 10:53 PM

Devils 0-1 Pengiuns (SO)
 
116th shutout by Brodeur, but it's not enough on Friday in Pittsburgh. :(
...now 10pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

shadows 03-26-2011 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dauls (Post 179847)
116th shutout by Brodeur, but it's not enough on Friday in Pittsburgh. :(
...now 10pts behind 8th in the East. :innocent:

New Jersey is one period away from getting shut out again!:eek: They are currently down 2-0 after two periods of play. And it's against Buffalo too, damn it!

Boston already lost 1-0 to the Rangers in afternoon play, so the Rangers are pretty much a lock to get into the playoffs.

Montreal is not looking particular sharp(at least on paper, since I am not watching the game), down 1-0 to Washington with about 5 minutes left in the 2nd period. They are being out-shot 23 to 8 so far and have been penalized 4 times while Washington has yet to receive a penalty.

Tampa Bay is ahead of Carolina 3-2 with less than a minute left in the 2nd period.

Toronto has given up two PP goals to Detroit and are down 2-1 in the second period.:(

Lousy night for hockey to say the least.:(:(

dauls 03-26-2011 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 179917)
Lousy night for hockey to say the least.:(:(

I agree, it's a f:censored:g lousy night on the ice. :frown:

shadows 03-26-2011 08:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dauls (Post 179923)
I agree, it's a f:censored:g lousy night on the ice. :frown:

The only one of us that is happy right now is Jennifer as her Flyers are currently winning 3-1 over the Islanders.

shadows 03-26-2011 08:22 PM

And it's over. Buffalo has defeated New Jersey 2-0. That pretty much ends New Jersey's playoff drive(they are 12 points out of 8th with only 7 games left to play). They made it interesting, but they were too far out to be able to catch up.

ila 03-26-2011 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 179917)
Montreal is not looking particular sharp(at least on paper, since I am not watching the game), down 1-0 to Washington with about 5 minutes left in the 2nd period. They are being out-shot 23 to 8 so far and have been penalized 4 times while Washington has yet to receive a penalty.

Tampa Bay is ahead of Carolina 3-2 with less than a minute left in the 2nd period.

Toronto has given up two PP goals to Detroit and are down 2-1 in the second period.:(

I was unhappy that the CBC was showing the Toronto game tonight. With Montreal not playing good hockey I've now changed my mind and I'm glad that I'm not able to watch their latest fiasco.

shadows 03-26-2011 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ila (Post 179933)
I was unhappy that the CBC was showing the Toronto game tonight. With Montreal not playing good hockey I've now changed my mind and I'm glad that I'm not able to watch their latest fiasco.

I was just about to type that they had 3 minutes left to fix that, but having just checked tsn.ca I saw that Washington now has a 2-0 lead.

First time I've ever seen this on the scoresheet before:

16:49 Montreal Michael Cammalleri: 2 minutes, delaying game-puck over glass

16:49 Washington Marcus Johansson: 2 minutes, delaying game-puck over glass

:eek:

ila 03-26-2011 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shadows (Post 179935)
I was just about to type that they had 3 minutes left to fix that, but having just checked tsn.ca I saw that Washington now has a 2-0 lead.

First time I've ever seen this on the scoresheet before:

16:49 Montreal Michael Cammalleri: 2 minutes, delaying game-puck over glass

16:49 Washington Marcus Johansson: 2 minutes, delaying game-puck over glass
:eek:

That looks more like a ref's opinion than something that can be said for certain is a fact.


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