my thoughts on tgirls and being gay
 

I see a lot of guys around here worrying about being gay. First, I think it's silly because why would you care if you were? Second, I think it's silly because I have tons of friends who are gay, and I'm not really attracted to them, and most of them aren't that attracted to me. So being attracted to a tgirl definitely doesn't make you gay. In the past couple weeks, the guys who have tried to pick me up have been a regular looking young black guy, a big white guy who looked like he should be in the UFC, a couple average middle-aged guys, a kinda emo guy, some stoner with a camo hat and a beard, a really well-dressed black guy in his 40s, and a gray-haired psychology professor. These guys all seemed straight. There's only been one gay acting guy hitting on me the past 3 times I went out, and he was just drunk and horny.

But the thing is, the clubs I go to would generally be considered gay clubs, and probably half the people there are gay, but most of the people who are interested in me seem straight. And those are the people I'm attracted to, too, even though I'm not really hooking up with them.

So I don't know if you want to consider yourself gay or not, but don't worry that you're going to turn into some prissy queen just because you like tgirls. That's not the way it works.

I really like the videos on tsseduction. I was watching this newer one with Yasmin Lee and a guy named Tristan. I think Yasmin is really cute and it's really cool seeing a girl-next-door instead of a big porn star, so I totally thought I'd be into the video. But this Tristan guy is totally gay acting. I don't know what it is. He doesn't have some super gay lisp. But the guy acts gay. And watching a girl with a gay guy is totally weird. I wanna watch tgirls with straight guys.

I was just watching that video and it made me think of all this so I just thought I'd give my opinion on it if anybody cares.

Yes, of course someone cares. :)
We care that we can express our thoughts in a safe environment.
Bionca tries as I sometimes try to educate those non-transitioned about why we transition. Sometimes I think transitioning itself is easier. It is hard to tell the difference bewteen those that hit on me for the right reasons, from those that hit on me for the wrong reason. I don't think I have ever been hit on by a gay guy. I have been approached by some very hot looking lesbiens.
So guys, lighten up. You are not gay. Some of you like us because we look like the girls we are. That's o-kay. ( you are not gay.) Some like us because of our difference. You are curious. That's o-kay. ( You are not gay.) Some like us because they think because of our difference we are some wild sex machine of the century. ( personally I find quite the opposite is true.) Those guys are sex obsessed. Not a healthy outlook on sexual relations and not someone I want to meet my parents either. These peopls may not be physical freaks but they are mental freaks.
I am not a freak. I'm a nice person. Those that can discover that in me is the type I want to meet.

Racquel, one sister to another. :kiss:

A Point From The Other Side Of A Short Eye-catching Skirt
 

From a so-called straight guy!!

If you feel family, friends and co-workers would react to your t-girl interest in an unpleasant way, keep your interest to yourself.

If you meet a t-girl you're attracted to, date her and more. Me: If I got serious w/ a t-girl, I would be open about our relationship, regardless of what others thought. But that's me.

You can go as far as you want, but you're not gay. If you're turned on to bio-women and trans-women, you are the degree of bi that you go.

Whether you go all the way w/ an attractive t-girl--some of whom are forum members--you've got to accept who you are, or live w/ doubt, guilt and regret. Regret if you turn down a chance for love or pleasure or both.

Plus, like Rocky who wants straight guys, you can want to date passable t-girls, like Rocky.

Yeah. I get hit on a lot, but most of them make it very obvious very quickly that they aren't really interested in anything but sex. A lot of them are married and wouldn't want to be seen in public (or probably even in daylight) with me. I feel bad that I've become so cynical about it, because there have been a few really nice guys who have tried to talk to me lately and I couldn't even take them seriously.



Speak for yourself! I'm definitely the wild sex machine of the century! Although it's been about a century since I had sex ... so maybe my crown has been revoked.

:respect:I had it when it counted.;)

In response to Racquel postings, Face it some 'straight' men,married or otherwise, are victims of their upbringing. To say a man would not be seen in daylight with a shemale, they have to alter their ways of thinking about all people in general.
My viewpoints have definitely changed. Not that I would have ever condemmed anyones lifestyle, but I would be delighted to have a dinner or drink with in public with a shemale as a friend or aquaintance. As a possible affair? Sorry, but it's out of town. But not because of being with a shemale, it would be with any woman. Racquel, take heed to Frans words, she's got the world by the balls.

transitioning
 

These discussions about transitioning are very helpful. It is easy to view transsexuals (shemales) as simply hot sex objects to have quick sex with. Being reminded that you are lovely good nice people helps transcend the raw lust evoked by the images on this forum.:respect:
Don't get me wrong, I like raw lust but I would also like to know and understand real transexual women. I presume most of the shemales displayed on this site are prostitutes. That's OK, its a way of making a living, if she can put up with the morons that are nothing more than a cock with two legs.:frown:
hugs for all of you.:hug:

Bravo!! Well said. If I may add, if your worried about it, perhaps your not sexually secure.

I think one point is that people who are not looking for trouble in their lives will shy away from the gay lifestyle, I'm not even sure there is a "heterosexual guys that like .....transsexuals lifestyle" (??!!) My point being that right or wrong, there definitely is a stigma surrounding non heterosexual activity. This can have the opposite effect and bring transsexuals closer together, too.

I am a rampant cock loving gay homosexual faggot straight guy!!:turnon:

the fact that ur afraid of being gay
 

now i am a closet gay.. mainly cause the industry i work in, it would be devastating for me to come out..
how ever.. if u think that viewing tranny images u gay. well technically it does.. even tho that ur looking it at a feminine form. there is still a cock attached to it. so u gotta ask urself .. are u attracted to the cock. .look at gay porn and just looked at the dudes cocks and see if it turns u on. if it does then u are gay. there is nothing wrong with being gay honestly.. there are problems with the person coming out of the closet tho depending on their circle of people. . but honesty just embrace it. enjoy it .. like someone said here. life is too short to be hung up on the pettiness of it all. just enjoy it. it makes u happy to view this material then i say go for it..

i think i may have gotten two or three forum posts on here mashed into one.
hehe .. enjoy people .. god damn it. . embrace the cock. and give it a kiss. it will kiss back..

i often wonder what my friends would think if the new about my new preference. i got a lot of flack from revealing i have a foot fetish, and i had to pretend and ignore when my friend went on the internet using my computer and saw a recent search request for latina shemales. it never came up but i'm certain he saw it because we didn't hang out for a couple of weeks after that happened. but i know that in liking transexuals, the only difference is one thing. everybody likes having sex and shouldn't be judged in the way they like to have it

guys who are true lovers of tgirls i dont believe question wether they are gay or not because they understand that they are not wanting to be with a guy. and why should they question it cuz a tgirl is still a girl ......

Does this picture of Jeff Stryker make you feel funny inside?

No, unless you count jealous.

More -mostly US- prehistoric sexual morale and the entirely wrong idea that in sexuality it's either black or white. Wake up, there are lots of greys in between.

The first thought to enter my head on seeing that was 'Liquify filter?' (fellow 'shopers will know what I'm on about.. )

Jeff Stryker's cock looked huge long before porn went digital. He's like John Holmes -- his cock is about 10" long semi-erect, but he can't quite get it all the way hard. Now that I think about it, Nefertiti has about the biggest cock I've seen that actually gets really hard.

I don't think Photoshop had the liquify filter till CS2 in 2005, and that picture's been floating around the net a lot longer than that.

ladyboys best
 

i definetaly do not like gay porn, even do not like hardcore because it includes men.

i always watch girl only and ladyboy movies.

also, not all shemale material excites me. only ladyboys and T-girl Mandy :D.

Does liking shemales make you gay?
 

I did not realize this site existed. I have been with 4 shemales and really enjoyed it. It was all oral.

It is odd, I do not think I could do the same with a regular male, though I know technically it is the same. While I love being around shemales, I find gay males bothersome.

So I am a bit confused. While I love giving oral to a shemale, I am not interested in other males at all. I am still interested in females too.

It has caused some conflict for me.

I am not really sure what I am asking here as much as just putting forward a statement.

Thanks

no. i'm straight

Well I am glad to know it is not just me who is conflicted, though a number of you do not appear conflicted but very firm in your beliefs.

I cannot bear mtm porn, but a dude and a shemale turns me on. Why?

This gets asked lots. So much so I have 2 brief answers...

1) Does it matter if it makes you gay? If so, why?

2) It boils down to how you view Trans*women. Are they women who have/had a penis, or are they men with tits?

Bionca
I have run into transvestites in New Orleans. They do not appeal to me. I think I am attracted to the very feminine shemales.

I have no interest in dating a guy. But I am fascinated by ts girls. I have had the fortune to have three encounters - one with two. I immensely enjoyed it.

I have had a fear of going back to it. I don't know why. As I said, I did not have anything but the most positive of experiences.

And while I could never imagine myself unzipping a guys pants and taking him, there is something exciting about that surprise in the panties of a shemale lover.

But I am confused by it.

I feel the same.

i love t-girls but have never been with one yet
i think i will have to see an escort t-girl this year tofulfill my fantasy
i don't think it is gay as i don't fancy men i just like the idea of playing with cock on a girl that's all

To be gay you need an openly recognisable sexual attraction to male characteristics. And I mean the whole nine yards. A gay man won't be attracted to mtf transexuals because of the female characteristics they openly display. A BISEXUAL man may do, because he finds female and male characteristics sexually attractive.
Whether you consider yourself straight or bisexual also can tie in to how much respect you show for trans women as well. If you think of them as women, respecting their sense of gender identity, then you think of yourself as straight. if you think of them as something in-between, then you most likely at least partly see yourself as bisexual, whereas if you see them as men, well, I don't think anyone fits that definition of both being attracted to them and seeing them as men.

I think I fall into the camp that sees them as mostly females, but a bit different on at least one characteristic.

Yea I'm new to this too, I ask myself the same questions. But I'm sure of 1 thing, I'm attracted to feminine characteristics, so I'm not gay... I have never been with a transexual, but I like watching the porn... Well seeing as I would consider transexuals chicks with dicks, and not men, I guess I'm straight.

So Amy has helped me discover myself a bit more....

Very well put Amy ...

IMHO .. your explanation should be posted as a "sticky" .. 'cos as sure as God made little green apples this old "chestnut" will crop up time & again .. :respect:

i am not confused
i am what i am and what i am is me
i dont need a label
i like what i like and he she it doesnt need a label
you dont have to climb into any particular box and i recommend nobody climbs into any box at all
do what you want to who you want if they want it too

and live your one short life to the max

I'm bi-sexual and I adore sucking cock so much and drinking cum but most of all and this might sound silly, one day I want to settle down with a woman. No, I won't get any cock behind her back because I'd never betray whoever I'm with. For some odd reason, when I'm in a relationship, I lose interest with porn because I feel as if that's another way of betrayl unless I know she likes porn. This has happened to me before, one relationship, I wasn't sure if she liked porn and I was afraid to ask and I never went near the stuff until after we broke up. That is why I know I'll stay away from cocks while I'm in a relationship - and other pussies as well.

Sorry to go off topic for a bit but I thought you might be interested in another way how the mind works for some people in a sexual manner.

Gay?
 

It seems to me, that to be gay, you need to be attracted to someone that looks like yourself. Men attracted to men, women attracted to women. If a strait man is attracted to a transexual, its because he perseves her as a women. I doubt that gay men are attracted to transexuals, they want a man.
The fact that transexuals may/not have a penis seems secondary to the perception . This is similar to what Amy said.

I just don't get this "Am I gay" feeling. Personally I try not to live my life as a label. I'm attracted to women and transsexuals and yet I don't see myself as gay, straight or bi, I just like who I like.

Just think how much better the world would be if we cut out all the bullshit.

Ladyboy-Fans also gay?
 

> i get that a lot he likes girls with dicks he must be gay i,m not into men i enjoy the company of women but i like shemales they say thats sick i guess it,s the way u look at it what can u do .:respect:

yeah i an gonna go with hank on this one, i am gonna have to say we are all a little on the bisexual side. lets face it what seperates the ladyboys we love from the biological girls we also like. its simple, the cock
so we have a fascination for cock. thats what it is, we all wish that our daintly girls had throbing members.
i wonder how many of you guys would prefer that your shemals had a pussy too, sort of like the japanese futanari girls? that would be ideal for me, the best of everything, a cock to suck on and an ass AND pussy to fuck. sounds great to me.
i think though that many of us either are not ever going to be interested in men, or just wont admit it. thats part of this as well.
i could fuck a femme boy, sure, as long as i dont meet him in mans clothes all unshaven and man like. its just like fucking a small titted ladyboy.
as long as i can pretend there is some feminintiy there i think i am happy.
like i said i wont be going to the local gay bar and picking up a leather man anytime soon

yea i agree there i am in no way intersted in guys what so ever i think i could pleasure a shemale unless they where so freaking hot and there is some of those out there

I'm not going to explain it to you. Bionca and I have done that before on many a post. But you are so wrong. You like shemales, not for the "male" but for the "she".

Not into guys
 

I love all sorts of ladyboys. I primarily like Asians - they tend to be more petite and feminine in my opinion. I even find "femboys" attractive, but I have absolutely no interest in a man. My first attraction is definitely a cute, girlish face. Body or especially facial hair, overly large frames, and deep voices are turn-offs for me. Despite all of this, I much prefer a very well-endowed ladyboy.

Exactly what I think. I have wondered if looking at shemales makes me gay, but looking at guy on guy does absolutely nothing for me.

dunno bout that. look around and you will usually hear(see) the guys here talking about one certian aspect of the shemale. her cock. there must be a thousand threads on here about it.
if we were interested in the SHE we would be with bio girls. so while we are interested in the she, we are also interested in the male parts as well.
since you dont want to explain it, or shoot me a link to another post where you or bionca do explain it, i cant really give you anymore than this. i dont know what your arguement against cock interest would be(does that make sense)

we like the she shape, but we also like the he organ, like i said its pretty simple, we all want out women with cocks, other wise we would just go get bio girls

Doubt it. If the poster liked shemales not for the male, but for the she (meaning, just for the she), then he could simplify his life immensely by only focusing on cisgirls. There are so many more of them ... at last count, more than half the people on the planet fall into that category. A lot more options. But it doesn't seem to be the case that people who like shemales like them specifically for either the male or the she. They like them for the both-ness.

Of course, I could be wrong. Like the original poster, I'd welcome a link to a thread where your point of view is spelled out in more detail.

As males, we know how how well our cock can produce pleasure. We know how much we enjoy females and their beautiful bodies. We know how good it is to have our cock inserted in a female. We put all of these feelings together when we view a beautiful shemale displaying her lovely cock, our mind tells us that this girl has special sexual attributes well beyond a regular female. All of her is female and all of her is desirable, including her female
cock. Biologically the male penis is analogous to the female clitoris.:inlove::turnon::inlove:

shecock?
 

A further comment.
Suppose a genetic female could get gene therapy on her genitalia that would transform her clitty into a functional penis. I suspect that we (men) would find it equally desirable as a transexual penis. Not only that, if she still had a pussey then she would be a hermaphrodite (futa. girl). How much fun would that be? :drool::p:coupling::turnon::inlove:;):lol:

Yes, you all are the faggiest fags who ever fagged a fag... happy?? Oh wait.. you are trying to save some bit of heterosexuality so that when WE get shit on YOU can stay nice and comfortably wrapped in your hetero-ness.

Here is the deal from my perspective - does it matter if you are? If it does, why? You are aware that most people who know will think you are? As someone who grew up assumed to be gay, who was very openly attracted to men in a male context, the very last thing I want is to be some closet for some guy. Maybe that's my lot in life if as a trans*woman, but I hope it isn't.

exactly
 

Thanks, Bionca. I was just about to write something quite similar. As all of you ponder this question, consider what the world would be like if everyone could just live happily with whatever their attractions (so long as they aren't hurtful in the way child molestation is, for example), and everyone would be fine with the attractions of others. Labels of the sort being discussed in this thread are the type that keep us from ever getting past discrimination, as well as keep us from being able to embrace our true selves.

Answering for myself? No. In my comment above, I was merely responding to a statement that Franalexes made ("You like shemales, not for the 'male' but for the 'she'"), and responding using the terms in which the statement was framed. That was not intended as a validation of those terms. The statement ("You like shemales, not for the 'male' but for the 'she'") seems as reductive, and as much an oversimplification, as if a het person were to take the opposite tack and say: "if you're attracted to a trans person, just accept that you're gay, and get on with life".

The point is that framing it as an either/or proposition is not going to work. The conventional categories themselves do not work. The premise and terms of the discussion itself lack validity.

Again though, I could be wrong, and I would be interested in reading the other posts to which Franalexes alluded.

exactly, again
 

You are absolutely right: framing it as an either/or does not work. I would contend that it should not work; in fact, I don't want it to work, because it leads us right back to labeling, or -- as you put it -- "conventional categories."

No one could rationally deny that there is a point in labels and categorization: it serves to make easier the understanding that all of us seek. But it has such a horrid downside.

What joy there is in coming around to just being who you are without anyone else defining it.

Why Does this Question Piss me off?
 

Well, the answer - either way denies some large portion of my life. If I say "yes" you are gay.. then my identity is a lie and I'm a guy with tits. If I say "no" and assure guys they are totally hetero, then I deny the fact I was perceived as a gay guy, harassed as a gay guy. It belittles an important and formative point in my life. It can also make it seem that I couldn't "cut it" as a gay guy and took the easy way of hetero living.

While asked of the men here, the answer affects me and gals like me - because we can't win. We can't win because no matter how much we all may want something, society will still call you and I "fags". Maybe I have a leg up, since I grew up with that one.

Seems like a lot of us are saying the same thing ... it isn't as simple as yes/no, either/or, etc.

I like the point smc is making ... that it's hard to get through life without using labels and categories ... the act of using language is one of labeling, to a large extent. But often the labels, as much as we try to apply them, fall down ... they just don't "stick". Eventually language and constructs may catch up with what is ... language does evolve. But I'm in agreement with those who aren't holding their breath, or waiting around for it to.

Yes, mostly the general outcome of this question is "it doesn't matter" or that there isn't a neat tidy label to apply. But, it keeps coming up. There must be some reason why this so often asked. I think probably the answer to "why are you asking" may reveal quite a bit of information.

Agreed, but seems like it's a small number that ask (only takes one to start a thread, right?) and exponentially more that reply ... mostly with something to the effect of "it doesn't matter", "not that simple," etc. The reason it's asked probably does have something to do with internalized homophobia ... but maybe also with a fear of ambiguity, with a lack of comfort with with what can't yet be named...

I can relate to this, it seems that is what transsexual is all about. I signed on to this site because I like looking at transsexuals and fantasizing about sex with them. It seems that trying to intellectualize this lust is going to be futile, for me anyway.

Dear Bionca:respect:
love yourself:hug:
eat lots of blueberries
wear sexy clothes;)
you will be fine :yes:

an "assignment"
 

Bionca writes that there must be some reason why this so often asked. She continues, "I think probably the answer to 'why are you asking' may reveal quite a bit of information.

javabox adds: "The reason it's asked probably does have something to do with internalized homophobia ... but maybe also with a fear of ambiguity, with a lack of comfort with with what can't yet be named ..."

Here's an idea. I once saw a website that was geared toward men who wanted to be "sissified" and that had a big forum where they could get "assignments" from "mistresses" to help them along the way. How about an assignment for all of those who can admit to a fear of ambiguity or who are uncomfortable with what can't yet be named or, most important, who can admit to themselves that they are homophobic of themselves?

Start with a friend you trust, and 'fess up. State unequivocally: "I am attracted to transgendered women [or men]."

Just do it, and don't take any shit for it.

To quote the lyrics from an old En Vogue song:

Free your mind, and the rest will follow ...

I am exactly where my signature line states, and I'll be telling someone tomorrow.

homophobic?
 

When I was young, I went camping with male friends. Sometimes, after a few beers, we would do a "circle jerk" contest to see who would cum first. We didn't go beyond that because we were not sexually attracted to each other. I had one mutual masturbation experience, again it didn't get me turned on to "boys". GIRLS were the primary interest. Girls are still my primary interest, it turns out that some of them have cocks. So be it! Everyone can choose the kind of person they like and the kind of sex they like. That's how our cousins the Bonobos do it and they have very few conflicts. :hug::coupling::yes:

I'm not certainly gay, but I love tgirls.
Tgirls, for me, are women.
I love women, I love tgirls but I hate men, so I cannot be gay. It's logical! ;)

who cares?!
 

The more I think about this, the more I realize that my answer is simple:

Who cares!

I am just me. I like this or that or whatever. I'm attracted to this or that or whatever. Even though I recognize that labels make things easier for everyone, I just want to be a person who is the person I am. And I want everyone else to accept it or leave me alone.

Im the same, men are a HUGE turn off for me, they dont even slightly arouse me, but I love shemales and I love cocks on shemales, I think its only somewhat natural to find cocks alluring, after all, youve been playing with your own for a long time:)
Seriously though, Men no, Shemales, HELL YEAH!!!!!
Although I dont mind men who are feminine enough to dress in lingerie and look female.But its rare to find.

I pretty much think of ladyboys, femmeboys, shemales all as women, dudes just dont do anything for me. We are just a rare breed I guess lol. Fuck labels, I am who I am and do what I do.

The thing about being attracted to ladyboys is that I'm still attracted by the feminine form, there's just something kinky about having a cock i guess. Totally not interested in the male form. Being gay and liking TGirls are 2 different things.

the answer doesnt have anything to do with you or the other girls, you know what you are, you made your choices and are very proud and happy about them(well you should be i suppose that is why you have to talk to a therapist before undergoing everything)
this isnt about what you think about us its about what WE think of us. you had your moment of personal "crisis" your moment of desicion and thats good, very good. now we are undergoing a similar moment of desicion. its not going to change if we like shemales or not, if liking them makes us gay or not, i suppose a lot of us want to know so we can label ourselves, like humans very much like to do. its important to you if you are seen as a girl with a cock or a man with tits. you said so yourself, you seem to desire the label that you put on yourself. you dont care if i see you as one or the other, at least you shouldnt.

fact is it makes us a little on the gay side, but who cares? is it really that important in the long run, arent there more important things to worry about

Lucy I can't agree with this statement more, you are so right. If I have a preference it would be for a sweet ladyboy but the most important thing is that ones partner should have a tender loving disposition no matter what gender.

Kitty

I prefer.....
 

I prefer shemales' huge cocks to gays' ones but a big cock is a big cock to me and I'm very often turned on by gays with big cocks as well:turnon::coupling:

Are U Gay If U Love Shemales
 

IF YOU LOVE TOO SUCK ON SHEMALES ARE YOU GAY, OR JUST KINKY. FROM A NON GAY PERSON POINT OF VIEW:frown::innocent::turnon: ANY INSIGHTS TOO THIS ONE :innocent::coupling:

Going to be a lot of no's I think.

Yes!!!!!
 

I just luv pretty cock,not manly cock..:rolleyes:

Voted yes.

Although, i hate the idea of having to live under a label. :frown:

Having said that, if you enjoy the idea of sucking cock, even on the most beautiful ts, it surely has to be considered the tiniest bit gay!! :D

Personally i don't give a fuck. I love beautiful sexy women and i love beautiful sexy tgirls. The idea of sucking and fucking a tgirl turns me on but gay/straight men don't. I don't see myself as 100% gay nor 100% straight. I am what i am and i like what i like.

Hell no, but who cares. Like what ya like and go on! :yes:

IMHO you are "gay" if you feel yourself to be gay and "straight" if you feel yourself to be straight. Who you fuck/get fucked by doesn't necessarily correlate.

Heard so many opinions on this
 

I am not particularly concerned with labels, but I simply don't consider myself or anyone else in the same situation gay. If others do, fine. I am not going to argue. I see a guy ... nothing! Never had any attraction. Masculine features, body hair, etc. just not a turn-on at all. Why do I like a "lady" with a cock? Who knows? Maybe I'm bi-sexual if there are 3 sexes. I just know what I like;)

I don't believe that you are either 100% gay or 100% straight, I don't think you can place people's sexuality into categories like that. Sexuality more likely works on a sliding scale, with straight on one side, gay on the other and bisexual in the middle, and an individual's sexuality falls somewhere between these categories. For example, if I was to look at my sexuality within this context I would place myself on the straight side of bisexual as my general attraction is towards women but I have had sexual experiences with men aswell.

In relation to the question, I believe that to a greater or lesser degree an attraction to shemales can only be considered bisexual, whether its a subconcious desire or you are in denial about your sexuality there is no way you can consider yourself completely straight, one of the fundamental attractions of the shemale form is the fact that they have a cock and, like it or not lusting after cock is not a typically hetrosexual pattern of behaviour.

you tell me
 

I've never met a guy who I have even had a moments thought about sucking his cock. I love the female form, pussy (in my mouth or on my cock ), I love tgirls, shemales and pretty tv's and I love to suck their cocks and have my cock sucked by them. However, I also have a thing about being force feminised by men and/or women and during these fantasies I am forced and trained to love sucking huge black cocks especially. During these fantasies of the mind I am normally dressed as a sissy/slut and my cock is rock hard, as it is in my hand as I read or think through these scenarios.

AM I GAY?

I know I am not gay but I love watching shemale porn, just like I watch other porn too, to me porn is porn, except for gay porn that is...

Hell no. And I wouldn't care a shit if I was classed as Gay or not

My opinion... I'm not gay but not in sure... haha

I don't like male. Don't like to watching gay porn, and I never will be whit male (gay) on my bed - it is for sure.

But in another side I like shemales, like watching shemale and MMF bi-sex porn. Yes, I will allow T-Girl to fuck me, want to fuck T-Girls but will never do it just whit male.

I also like to play myself whit different anal toys and do it may be 10 times in a month watching shemale porn. But will never allow gay dick to penetrate my ass.

And another one :drool:
I have a girlfriend, we live together and she give me anything in our sexual life. In spite of all I like shemales (it's my secret of course) and when I have a chance fuck them or be fucked if I'm in a spirits of it.

So, am I gay? No, I mean no :rolleyes::innocent:

i find this thread amusing. how can the vast majority of respondents vote No, its not gay? a cock is a cock, wanting to suck one, have one put in ya bum, or just jerking off to the site of an attractive girl that also has one is to a large degree homosexual behaviour. the penis is the one phallic identifying symbol of males... dont kid yourselves.. because the shemales think you are gay anyway.

I think you would get a better indication to this question if you asked how many people have most of their family or real life friends fully aware that they are attracted to shemales...?

and yes i know it is an unfortunate label, albeit due to the unique circumstances, but labels and words are the things we live by.

Slipper made it so clear: you suck a cock if you like it no matter if you are a gay or not...(?) Or if it really so clear? just keep on wonderin', Tim of Finland :cool:

The whole idea of classifying people as "heterosexual" and "homosexual" is both relatively new and outdated - a relic of 19th century thought. Its unfortunate that both prejudice and "gay identity" perpetuate it. There has always been a much more flexible view of sexuality, throughout history and in many cultures... this whole phenomenon of forcing labels on people is a byproduct of current-day identity politics, and unfortunately often comes from both sides of the equation.

> from what i have red or understand most shemales don,t date gay men that seems to be what i understand maybe i,m wrong.:respect:

r u gay?
 

Gay? I don't think so because I am not attracted to men.
A little strange? maybe because I'm fascinated by cock!

Depends
 

I think it depends on the individual. I love watching Men having sex with trans. But do not particularly care for trans having sex with men. Also not into male on male, and I love women. I guess I'm a strange breed

I don't really care....
 

Personally, I don't care if someone called me a gay just because I love to admire shemales' cocks.As a matter of fact,apart from the websites with shemales I also visit the websites with gays to admire their big cocks.No matter if a cock belongs to a shemale or a man ,it always makes my juices run....:turnon:

Gay?
 

Question: Are we gay when attracted to shemales?
The term "gay" typically refers to sexual orientation of males, i.e. homosexual. If a male is "gay" he is sexually attracted to males. This can be considered a two step process. First; there is attraction to physical appearance (maleness). Second; there is attraction to the male genitalia. This then can result in sexual stimulation of the male genitals (homosexuality).
OK, if a male is attracted to the appearance of a shemale because she looks female and then desires to sexually stimulate her male genitalia, is he "gay"?
The genitalia and their function are exactly the same for both male and shemale in all respects, scrotum, testis, penis, erection and ejaculation. The only difference is the appearance of the person possessing the male genitalia. Now "gayness" refers to sexual attraction to the genitalia (male). As far as "gayness' is concerned the appearance of a person should have nothing to do with desire for the genitalia. Consequently, if one desires sexually the genitalia of a shemale, since she possesses male genitalia, that person by definition is "gay". There is the option that a person may sexually desire both male and female genitalia, in that case, the person could be considered bisexual.
The confusion arises when at step one, the male is attracted to the feminine attributes of the shemale. Then at step two, he is attracted to her male attributes. Most males will deny that they are "gay" when attracted to and sexually stimulating a shemale, even though the sexual activity is essentially the same as male to male homosexual activity. The only difference is the initial attractiveness of the person, male or shemale.
Males go to Thailand to have sex with "ladyboys" and they do not consider this homosexual activity. The ladyboys are obviously boys, often they are flat chested and have very boyish bodies and some have huge cocks (Mint). Yet, many supposedly heterosexual men indulge in sex with ladyboys (boys).
Even though most of the males on this forum deny they are gay, they are nevertheless thinking about or participating in gay activity. There is the argument that the shemale "looks" female therefore her genitalia are female. Obviously, this argument is not biologically sound. The other argument is that if the shemale "believes" she is female, then her genitalia become "female", again the facts are, by definition, male genitalia consist of scrotum, testis and penis.
The reason I have tried to logically analyze the issue is because most males are extremely sensitive about "gayness". They do not want to be considered gay or be associated with gays. Yet, they participate in gay activity when they can deny that what they are doing is gay activity. The male mind is very good at hypocrisy when it allows him to do what he desires especially (sex). OK, considering oneself bisexual does not get one off the hook either. If one desires female genitalia and also male genitalia, the latter is still gay activity.
After working through this thought process, I recognize that since I desire male genitalia attached to shemales, I have gay tendencies. So what does that mean? It means I like genitalia, male and/or female. It does not mean that everyone I see who possesses male or female genitalia will be attractive to me, however.;)

a gay friend of mine said told me he has no attraction to shemales. he says gay men want men. not shemales.

I'm not attracted to men but if I'd suck on a shemale, that would make me less hesitant to suck on a guy if he shoved his cock in front of me during a 3way.

I guess if it happens, it happens but I wouldn't go looking for a guy to be alone with.

Makes me kinda bi I guess :innocent:

That's simply it!

Sexual orientation is more than liking someone's gentials. It's the whole package. Some (I daresay most) people will be too hung up on the fact that a gorgeous shemale has a penis to find her attractive; others will see an attractive woman with a penis and say "Wow, she's hot".

Interesting thread this! The whole 'tranny and gay' thing has only recently appeared within our culture. I don't know why this conundrum suddenly started to appear in the last forty years or so. It seems that, although we kid ourselves that we are now all 'liberated' and open about our sexualities we are actually more inhibited than we were back in the victorian era!
Until we became 'modern' sex with same genders and/or transgenders was just what it was, fun and sex.
We need a 'bi-sensual' revival and ditch the old 'bisexual' chestnut. That causes nowt but grief.
As for me? I find trannies sexy as hell, so much so that I became one myself! :lol: Nah, seriously, I feel that if you find trannies attractive, then enjoy it, don't worry about sexual orientation obstacles.

Good point! I guess to me the penis takes on the gender of its "owner". I don't know how else to express it.

Why do I feel this way?
 

I don't know how to explain it. It's just that, everytime I see things related to transgenderism, or crossdressing. I just feel guilty with myself and, I wish I was 6 feet under.

I really like everything related to this world, but it's like I felt bad for liking this.

I used to crossdress, and I was also planning to undergo a sex change therapy. But a lot of difficult situations got in my way, including things with my family, who found out my plans. It caused me a lot problems. Things have changed, So do I, or at least that's what they think, to not hurt the ones surrounding me. I though that, by leaving all those things behind, I could make a change in my life for better, because I felt that I was betraying my parents and friends but, now, I think it was just stupid.

Everyday I wake up, I ask to myself "What if you would have decided to forget about those persons and pursue your dream?" To be honest I'm not happy, I can't even understand my purpose to stay alive, I just live for the heck of it, and for the hope of a better tomorrow.

I can't get it. Why I can't stay firm to my decision? Why I feel that I'm just under a smokescreen that I have made for myself to hide my truth?

I just think I'm betraying to myself but, I also feel that if I do it, that if I retake that way of life, I'll be betraying a lot of people, as well as a part of me.

its a common problem among people who feel to change their birth sex...

Rules created by the society are so strange. i don't know why everyone around have to bother with what one feels about self .... why just they tend to their own business? Why do they have to add to the already existin problems of people who want to change their sex? Why they cant let them be what they want? afterall they arent causing any harm to others......
Why is shame associated with these things???? why people change their outlook on people if they change their sex or their sexual preference (same sex ) comes to light ???????
and we thought homo sapiens are social animals..... if this is social then being lonely is much better.....
but again homo sapiens are emotional beings and cant let their loved ones be hurt by actions of their self....therefore tries to blend with the rules of the society to save their family from shame.....
pondering on these drives them crazy.... but still they will stick to it.... to keep their family binded and save them from shame.....
i dont know about the rest of the world but where i live the situation is very much like the way i have described above.....
i feel choked and want to flee and let my loved ones know that i am doing well as they know me but lead a life hidden from them which satisfies me?
but the thought of separation forever makes my heart cry..........

Sorry if i compounded ur problems but i very much feel like living in a cage.......

crossingoceans, you need more help than you will be able to get on this site. I urge you to see a qualified therapist. I realize that this will not be cheap, but at least you will get the help that you need and deserve. I would also urge you to do some research and checking so that you can find a therapist that you feel comfortable with.

I do agree completely with Ila - take this seriously, get some support and move on from there. This forum is probably not the place to expect true guidance. Yes, a lot of good is going on here, but I doubt we have many pro-therapists on board.

From your posting it's not completely clear if you consider yourself a trans* (at least I was in doubt as to your point about this), but no matter what then you sound like a very good person with a problem you have to come to grips with.

But you're undoubtedly completely ok! And all the hazzle you meet is based on stupidity and lack of empathy from your surroundings - and that is very common, sadly.

Best wishes

H

I agree with ila as well. I will say that I used to really struggle with trying to live-up to other people's expectations of what and who I should be. Ultimantely, its your life. Your opinion of yourself matters far more than anyone else's.

I'm in Total Agreement
 

crossingoceans, I agree with Ila and Hank. The best "help" you are likely to get on this forum are facile cliches along the lines of "Don't Worry, Be Happy" or "Life is too short to feel guilty." I, too, urge you to find a qualified therapist.

The most important thing in life is to be happy and it is clear you aren't going to be happy until you are free to express your true self. I'm sure you feel you are betraying people but if you spend your life doing what other people expect you are betraying yourself and that is much worse.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with your needs and desires it is simply that society is by nature conformist and people will always take what appears to be the majority vote.

Wherever you are remember you are completely free to live your life as you want to. You may lose the respect of others but if they can't respect you for who you really are then they are not worth knowing.

find someone to talk to about this
 

crossingoceans,
I too agree with the others that a therapist would be of great help. And, while you are searching for that help, you might try to clarify for yourself just exactly what it is that motivates you to crossdress or have an interest in being a transgender. JUst liking or wanting to do it is not in itself a reason. Oftentimes, writing something out or even speaking it, gives a clarity that just thinking about something doesn't. When you hear something spoken you get a better feeling of whether that which is said is on or off the track. Oftentimes, we talk ourselves into something that may not be what we really want. It is just a notion.
I'm also uncertain of your motive and direction. What is it about crossdressing that you wish to persue it? Clothing, eroticism, femininity? What is it about transgender that appeals to you. That you could live as a female? Are your interests in life female oriented? Do you see yourself in a passive role with a male? Are you gay and seeking some way to get around something that you resist?
You already know what your friends and family think about your idea? Imagine if you were a transgender? How would that lessen your problems? From reading the many posts here, I gather that just fulfilling a desire to be a transgender is just the beginning of problems that there will be in society at large. It will make relationships with all sorts of people difficult and different. Just ask any of the m2f posters here.
People in all walks of life must compromise and happiness everyday isn't possible even for the most successful person in the world. Let's say you think of yourself as a woman. In that context, what is it that you would do? Is there any way that you could do that same thing and remain the person you are? Some people aren't cut out to be Babe Ruth or Joe Dimaggio but they can be successful at things related to their interest. A good coach , for example.
Think about what it is that you are striving for in your new identity and see if that is not possible with some modification? You don't need to make instant decisions--take your time. Stay calm.
Best wishes on your journey to self fulfillment.

crossingoceans

Hello hun xxx , ok first things first i was also in your position i felt guilty because of who i was and felt like i let everyone down who knew me as a man. Yet the more and more i dwelled on it the worse i became and yes suicidal, but what changed me was i started to spend time and talk to other people in my position and how they delt with things and in time and it didnt take too long i realised i was not the only person who was or had been through this. Ive never liked my male body sure i love everything female from clothes to lifestyle. I wanted so much to be accepted.. So finally i started to take hormones are seeing my doctor and i am now going to go the full way and have sex reasignment surgery. My father has taken along time to come around my mother and sister love it and people who have known me well if they didnt accept it and respect my wishes then they were not friends in the first place and i have retained alot of them most of them were pretty shocked and wow'd when they first saw me out at a club dressed as a women and that can make you feel fantastic.

So dont feel guilty you only live once and its your life and live it how you want to truely never feel you have to be trapped.. talk ... and live life to the full.

xxx
Steph

Hello crossingoceans,

I must say I disagree with most of the posts here (except Steph).

Well, firstly - happiness is NOT the purpose of life. Life's a lot easier when there is happiness around, but happiness is this illusion people keep trying to find, and when they do, it's transient. Please be happy, but when you're not, understand that life is about what you feel, even if it hurts really badly.

Life is about survival. No matter how much the mind is upset, the body wants to live, and will do everything in its power for every precious breath. So respect your body.

And if your body is turned on by things - respect that, because as long as you're not physically hurting anything else, as long as you respect the physical space of all other things, you are guiltless.

People's minds are so fucked up, so morally up their own arses, so duplicitous, that to live your life trying to pacify their minds is crazy and not even remotely possible. Don't think for a minute that your actions will make or break your family's psychological well being. They are as, if not more (and I say that because you at least are aware of the conflicting feelings you face) f'd up than you.

You may not have taken the actions you've imagined, because you may not be ready. So, indulge in your feelings. Get off on them. Meet people you want to meet, watch the porn you want to watch, and tell guilt to go arse fuck itself.

But, before you change your life drastically, consider how good your life actually is. That you can eat, sleep, go to a movie...freely. Don't mess with that, appreciate it. Life will find you in time, make you whole and full, grow you and utilise you - so stay innocent, be simple, be unhappy when you're unhappy, and have fun when fun comes along.

I wish you so well

These comments remind me of an essay by Einstein. Here is the relevant extract:

From "The World As I See It":

Call it what you like...
 

I think we all try to understand ourselves for being attracted to transexuals. It's weird at first... why am I so turned on? What makes me want to be with them? Am I gay? Straight? Bi? It was hard on me at first as well. But, I finally come to the conclusion that I do like cock. I just don't like it when it's attached to a real manly guy. Not sure why. I just would prefer it on an attractive woman. I look at every woman I pass when I'm out. I think about fucking just about every one of them. However, I never think about the men for a second. But, if I'm at my gym and guys are showering and nude all around me, I'm ready to drop to the floor with mouth wide open.

So, am I gay? Sure, if that's what you want to call it. Am I bi? Yup. Straight? Sometimes. I just know for a fact that I'll never be curled up in front of fire cuddling with a guy. Strolling hand in hand on the beach with a guy. But I can easily see me doing those things with a woman or an attractive transexual.