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sesame 07-18-2008 04:06 PM

Sonnet of Lost gravity
 
Mizzy B is a Busy Bee.
Cutie and Sugaree.
But however thirsty
We may be, (Miss Bee)
Not anymore your Priority(Are we?)

hankhavelock 07-19-2008 12:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bionca (Post 30721)
Hey guys... nice to be missed - I feel like I'm popular or something.

Hank- Yeah the guy to called me a "fag" knew I was trans. I only date guys who know up front. In fact in that guys case, we met online on a Trans Dating site.

The hand and feet thing is just what people who clock me as Trans notice when they notice anything at all.

Oh yes. you're popular :yes: and you're certainly inspiring sweet Sesame to do his art-things in SEVERAL artistic disciplines... I'm just waiting for him to come up with a nice little serenade for you :-) (Mr. S, you're the MAN! :respect:)

As for the "fag" guy - probably a scitzofrenic... a prince that turned into a toad...

hankhavelock 07-19-2008 02:57 AM

Hmmm... it could also be a wonderfully sarcastic and anti-establishment Donald Fagen/Steely Dan style song with a good liberal morale whipping prudeness and provocatively forcing people to THINK... done in that lovely angry style that Donald Fagen can :-)

sesame 07-19-2008 03:15 AM

Join our cause
 
Quote:

Hmmm... it could also be a wonderfully sarcastic and anti-establishment Donald Fagen/Steely Dan style song with a good liberal morale whipping prudeness and provocatively forcing people to THINK... done in that lovely angry style that Donald Fagen can :-)
May be you have caught the right pulse.;)

I am demonstrating an angry outburst of poesy in front of the Huuuuuge establishment of Mizzy B. I am protesting against her Delinquency. :p

hankhavelock 07-19-2008 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by sesame (Post 30845)
May be you have caught the right pulse.;)

I am demonstrating an angry outburst of poesy in front of the Huuuuuge establishment of Mizzy B. I am protesting against her Delinquency. :p

It would seem that we're moving away from the concept of this thread (masturbasi), but here's the deal... when i get my sorry lill home recording studio set up, then I make the tune and you make the lyrics... a pode to Mizzy B... "when my boyfriend becomes my girlfriend" or something amazingly beautifully provocative like that... with the heavy harmonies and song in a way that'll make them listen :-)

What do you think?

H

sesame 07-19-2008 04:23 AM

To Mizzy B
 
Mizzy B, cant you see,
Poor Hank and me...
Driven to Lunacy...
Dont be an Absentee.
We Miss you sweetie!



Brushing the chalk from my hands...
"Now consider that as the 2nd stanza of the Lyrics, Hank.":yes:

hankhavelock 07-19-2008 04:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 30854)
Mizzy B, cant you see,
Poor Hank and me...
Driven to Lunacy...
Dont be an Absentee.
We Miss you sweetie!



Brushing the chalk from my hands...
"Now consider that as the 2nd stanza of the Lyrics, Hank.":yes:

:lol: OMG... can't we dig into your more sinister "Leonard Cohen" sides?

marcus 07-19-2008 06:08 AM

im married im bi and my wife is cool with it are u ok with married guys or do u like haveing a person all to your self. if you dont mind shareing i wouldnt give a damn to take u out show you to all my friends and kiss u in front of them those other guys didnt have any balls you have to be honest with your self and u do that the problems are thiers not yours that guy didnt complain when yall were screwing did he remeber that and dont give up if you dont want to date me or just dont have the time cause i live in tennesse at least call me we could turn out to be good friends cause every one needs to talk sometime 931-779-5545

Bionca 07-19-2008 05:03 PM

Sesame.. you nutty fella!!!

You know I :hug: both you and Hank
:kiss::hug::kiss:

Bionca 07-19-2008 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marcus (Post 30861)
im married im bi and my wife is cool with it are u ok with married guys or do u like haveing a person all to your self. if you dont mind shareing i wouldnt give a damn to take u out show you to all my friends and kiss u in front of them those other guys didnt have any balls you have to be honest with your self and u do that the problems are thiers not yours that guy didnt complain when yall were screwing did he remeber that and dont give up if you dont want to date me or just dont have the time cause i live in tennesse at least call me we could turn out to be good friends cause every one needs to talk sometime 931-779-5545

It's good your are open with your gf marcus. My ex and I had an open relationship until he screwed that up, so I repect relationships that can work that way. I maintain that the "fag" guy was one of the many curious dudes who freaked out after their fantasy is reality. It was better for him to insult me than deal with what happened (in his mind).

I don't generally call guys without getting to know them first. Hope you understand, particularly since I'm living with my brother and his family . Safety first! :D

sesame 07-19-2008 05:23 PM

SOS Busy Bee
 
I can manage, but Hank is really screwed.
He needs mouth to mouth resuscitation.:p
You must save his life!:yes:

sesame 07-19-2008 05:27 PM

Quote:

im married im bi and my wife is cool with it are u ok with married guys or do u like haveing a person all to your self
Ah, so your wife is really big hearted! But will you also be cool with it, if she maintains physical relation with a dozen other guys?:innocent:

Bionca 07-19-2008 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 30980)
I can manage, but Hank is really screwed.
He needs mouth to mouth resuscitation.:p
You must save his life!:yes:

Poor Hank!! I'll have to see what I can do...

sesame 07-19-2008 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 30981)
Ah, so your wife is really big hearted! But will you also be cool with it, if she maintains physical relation with a dozen other guys?:innocent:

I believe that a proper love affair only happens between two persons at a time. More than two is a crowd. Its only good for physical fun... or not.

Bionca 07-19-2008 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 30984)
I believe that a proper love affair only happens between two persons at a time. More than two is a crowd. Its only good for physical fun... or not.

I have known quite a few relationships that worked very well (including mine) where the partners had other people involved with both or on the side, but openly. The key is respect and honesty.. just like every other relationship.

sesame 07-19-2008 05:51 PM

Love affair needs concentration. How can you focus if your attention is divided into many? You have but one heart, how can you give it to a multitude?

sesame 07-19-2008 06:24 PM

seasonal colors
 
Anyways, you are wiser than me in so many aspects...
May be I am not even fit to utter a word in defiance of you.
Yeah, Miss Manners, stardom is really intoxicating.
Enjoy your High. :respect:

sesame 07-19-2008 07:17 PM

To Hanky in a Funky mood
 
Hey Hanks,
If I go against Busy Miss B, how do you think she will react?

Will she chew me like a Gum, or blow me like a bubble?:p

hankhavelock 07-20-2008 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31009)
Hey Hanks,
If I go against Busy Miss B, how do you think she will react?

Will she chew me like a Gum, or blow me like a bubble?:p

Oooooo... I think she'll be STERN but fair!

And regarding swinging, I actually have some experience in that field - very good experiences actually. I used to be married back in Denmark to a cisgendered woman - actually quite a little hottie :-) We enjoyed a polyamorous lifestyle and made some wonderful friends.

I'll spare you the juicy details but I do second Bionca that it's about respect, honesty, love and enjoying one's partners full pleasure. Jealousy was never an issue.

We're divorced now for reasons unrelated to our lifestyle.

Bionca - regarding the "fag" guy, yes, I'm sure you're absolutely right. It was his fantasy and it didn't work for him irl. Still no reason for him to act the way he did. I remember years ago I had a gay-fantasy - so I did it and it didn't work. And that's what I told the guy. No need to be melodramatic or insulting about it. Besides, he should have realized that most transsexual women are probably rather well prepared for the facts of life and the path they have so courageously taken.

sesame 07-20-2008 05:12 AM

I wish her to rather be unfairly harsh with me (us), than avoid being with us indefinitely. I miss those days when we quarreled, argued and flirted all over this website around the clock!

Hey! May be she has finally gotten herself a cozy job! Thats why she is away most of the time. But lets not speculate about that "once upon a time" friend anymore.

Bionca 07-20-2008 03:16 PM

I have gotten the job. I start on Monday for training, but won't know my schedule until the training period is over.

Now dear Sesame, I would never ever be unfairly harsh. I think any harshness of mine would be given quite fairly.

May I add... that is a very cute avatar :hug:

sesame 07-20-2008 04:57 PM

So, you have a JOB now! When are you throwing us a party, eh? Some chocolate and wine will do for starters.;)

Thats really me on the avatar. And I am not talking about the red bird.:p

hankhavelock 07-21-2008 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31145)
So, you have a JOB now! When are you throwing us a party, eh? Some chocolate and wine will do for starters.;)

Thats really me on the avatar. And I am not talking about the red bird.:p

Ooooooooo... there you go, my man! Goddess B is back on the block and even complimented you(r avatar) as being CUTE... :respect:

And Lady B, congrats on your new job! May it be a funky one! I hope it's as copy-writer on some ad-agency where you can come strolling in each morning in some HOT outfit (preferably shiny) and reign as Queen of the texts ;-)

Peace yawll!

Hanky Panky

hankhavelock 07-21-2008 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31145)
So, you have a JOB now! When are you throwing us a party, eh? Some chocolate and wine will do for starters.;)

Thats really me on the avatar. And I am not talking about the red bird.:p

And now it's even more relevant than ever that you consider getting that ticket to midland Ohio (isn't that where Mizzy B is residing?)... you'll make such a beautiful, totally geeeeeeky couple, my two tall, sweet and good (looking) American friends ;-)

And remember, you heard it first here on radio W(H)ANK!

Make me jealous, my man! Do it! Nothing would truly please me more - and I seriously mean it! Go get her! Charm her! Treat her beautifully! Challenge her (the good way)! Kiss her(mmmmmmmmmmm)! Adore her (she is adorable)! Go crazy over her (she's a bit crazy herself, so that is appropriate)! Want her (I sure do)! LOVE her (I sure could)!

No more Mr. Nice guy... claim your woman... ;-) Force her to surrender... grrrrrrrr... she's so lovely and sweet... never resist her!

Love you both!

H

socal69 07-21-2008 02:14 PM

Let me know if you move to Los Angeles......I would luv to go out with you!!!!

sesame 07-21-2008 04:02 PM

Warning for a Tornado
 
Bionca,
I hope that pet tornado is doing well in your back yard.
In the meantime, Hank here is getting restless.
He adores you, wants to charm you, kiss you,
want you and Love you. H:inlove:B
In fact he has gone crazy over you...
Head over heels... all the way.
I mean, he is such a romantic!
Anyway, welcome back...
I hope to see you
pretty soon.
:hug:
~s

sesame 07-21-2008 06:50 PM

Hanky,
My dear friend, or better, Mr. Romeo!
I would advice you to read this. Thats my idea of internet relationships.:yes: They seldom measure up to anything real. Also, I have a feeling that nowadays, people are running away from long-term relations.
Hank, you are a man of honour in the field of romance.:respect:

Bionca 07-24-2008 12:20 PM

Hank.. you are too much.. you and Sesame both are such an ego boost!! Well you and so many of the other guys here. It's nice that so many of you all have taken time to write me, and try to get to know me and shared some of yourselves with me.

I'm humbled and honored... :respect:

:inlove: with TLB ... :hug:

sesame 07-24-2008 04:21 PM

Bionca
 
Yeah!
Admit it.
We tickle your fancy
and you enjoy it.
I relish doing it.
May be you
Deserve it.
he he
:p

Bionca 07-24-2008 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31747)
Yeah!
Admit it.
We tickle your fancy
and you enjoy it.
I relish doing it.
May be you
Deserve it.
he he
:p

I admit NOTHING!!!

Well.. perhaps my fancy is a little tickled....

sesame 07-24-2008 06:14 PM

Thank you Chweetie!
 
Bionca tickles us in turn by exhibiting her
amazing ass in the profile. :lol:

Bionca 07-24-2008 06:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31763)
Bionca tickles us in turn by exhibiting her
amazing ass in the profile. :lol:

Gotta compete with the actual real hotties somehow.... :eek:

sesame 07-24-2008 06:25 PM

Forget the so called Hotties.
No hottie stands a chance in front of you.
Beauty and brains have fused into Bionca!:hug:

rhythmic delivery 07-24-2008 07:51 PM

if i lived anywhere near you i would like nothing more than to take you out for a romantic meal a few drinks some dancing and whatever else you where up for. a sexy LB who like's playing video games you are just about perfect, you don't happen to like the beatles and cooking to, then you'd be my ideal wife.

Bionca 07-24-2008 09:21 PM

Well.. the Beatles are pretty ok.. I'm more fond of the later stuff (Magical Mystery Tour being one of my faves). I wouldn't say I "cook" , but am fully able to make some food - and usually it's pretty tasty. I'm much more apt to bake tho.

Bionca 07-24-2008 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31769)
Forget the so called Hotties.
No hottie stands a chance in front of you.
Beauty and brains have fused into Bionca!:hug:

:lol:

Seriously.. I'm fully average in every way. Ask me science questions and I'll prove how little I know .. catch me in the morning when my hair is sticking up and I have those crease marks across my face from the sheets and you will see just how painfully non-hawt I am.

sesame 07-25-2008 04:25 AM

Quote:

catch me in the morning when my hair is sticking up and I have those crease marks across my face from the sheets and you will see just how painfully non-hawt I am.
Thats true for everyone, Even the Hollywood hotties! Do you think Jennifer Lopez, or Jennifer Aniston, or Sandra Bullock wouldnt look groggy on waking up?

The contest should be on what you transform into when fully prepared. And I also consider you a witty person; its great fun to talk to you. And you are very seasoned too, which is very rare. I mean, you dont lose your poise when someone instigates you. Thats character!

rhythmic delivery 07-25-2008 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bionca (Post 31800)
Well.. the Beatles are pretty ok.. I'm more fond of the later stuff (Magical Mystery Tour being one of my faves). I wouldn't say I "cook" , but am fully able to make some food - and usually it's pretty tasty. I'm much more apt to bake tho.

i have to agree with your beatles views they where somewhat straight laced till they started experimenting with bucket loads of lsd, my favorit album is the white album so many great songs on there, why don't we do it in the road being a favorit. and as for the baking thing its all good.

hankhavelock 07-25-2008 07:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31841)
Thats true for everyone, Even the Hollywood hotties! Do you think Jennifer Lopez, or Jennifer Aniston, or Sandra Bullock wouldnt look groggy on waking up?

The contest should be on what you transform into when fully prepared. And I also consider you a witty person; its great fun to talk to you. And you are very seasoned too, which is very rare. I mean, you dont lose your poise when someone instigates you. Thats character!

My good old friend's wise dad once told us two girl-hunting young lads a piece of truth that always stuck with me... he told us that it is so often the little flaws, the little imperfections that made all the difference and made her even more desirable... he was himself quite a ladies' man, so I immediately believed him :-)

And imagine this, you wake up beside her, her make-up wonderfully smudged upon last nights passionate "interactions", her hair indeed sticking out in all directions (often more in one than all the others :-), her breath is "intense", maybe she made a little morning-gas, she's relaxed, comfortable and READY... "Hoooneeey..." she moans. Total YUMMIE! And remember, you're hardly any more (or any less) delicious your self... ;-)

THAT's so perfect for a soooft morning-passion... after which you cuddle and slumber off again...:)

rhythmic delivery 07-25-2008 07:18 AM

i can get onboard with most of what your saying, but the intense breath and morning gas there is nothing remotly arousing about that

hankhavelock 07-25-2008 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rhythmic delivery (Post 31861)
i can get onboard with most of what your saying, but the intense breath and morning gas there is nothing remotly arousing about that

ooooooooooooo... but there IS... :yes:

sesame 07-25-2008 01:48 PM

Hanky!


Dont start your day by consuming liberal amounts of sake!

hankhavelock 07-25-2008 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31886)
Hanky!


Dont start your day by consuming liberal amounts of sake!

oooooooooooo.... but I DIDN'T...:innocent:

sesame 07-25-2008 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bionca
Hank.. you are too much.. you and Sesame both are such an ego boost!!

Hanky, Look, look! Tickle her, until she faints with joy. :p

hankhavelock 07-25-2008 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31894)
Hanky, Look, look! Tickle her, until she faints with joy. :p

You're own your own here, pal... she's simply too far away from me (and much too intellectually advanced for a primitive Southeastern Asia Farer like me). But you, on the other hand, have no excuses to let the Goddess slip through your hands... so go for her... NOW! B4 some hotshot beats you to the line... claim her! I'm on your team, my man, and I'll give you all the unfair tricks along the way.

She won't stand a chance! Unfold your full charm! And when you FINALLY have her, the Goddess of all Godesses, then send me a kind thought ;-)

Besides... I sort of have this very kinky date with "the Voice" less than a week from now... so the deal is that I fly to Bkk and you fly to Ohio (are there planes to Ohio???) - shit, then you DRIVE your sorry ass up to Mizzy B and give her the gentleman treatment from BOTH of us, my man!

I'll never forgive you if you chicken out on this one.

Nooo talkin' talkin'... just do it!

And kiss her VERY tenderly from me, my good friend! And I mean VEEEEEERY tenderly.... I kid you not... if I were on that big island of yours, I'd have taken that train weeks ago...

Barack

sesame 07-25-2008 05:28 PM

Bionca Muse
 
Hey Bionca,
You lucky, immensely popular Fairie Queen,
you are the tormentor of numerous aching hearts!
Scientists get inspired by your charisma and
become poets or artists to express boiling emotion. :p
Some minds are flooded with amorous devotion &
see You as the Goddess of all Goddesses!!!
Others want to plant kisses all over you like mosaic art.
Quote:

Originally Posted by hankhavelock
kiss her VERY tenderly from me, my good friend! And I mean VEEEEEERY tenderly....

:p

Bionca 07-25-2008 05:35 PM

" Goddess of all Goddeses"


lol.. my golly .. *wipes tears of laughter* ... *falls out of chair* .... *continues laughing*

You guys are too funny!! Seriously, I think I have a better reputation here than I'm worth. I sometimes burp loud, I am cranky as hell in the morning, I am probably a little too competative at pool and darts, I snort when I laugh sometimes...

I get confused with lots of light and sound (gotten in wrecks in the supermarket before). I get lost easily, I'm a bit demanding during sex, I can be pretty selfish (probably my least favorite quality).

And.. I'll say again I'm really just an average gal with some cranky opinions. Hardly goddess material....

hankhavelock 07-25-2008 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31899)
Hey Bionca,
You lucky, immensely popular Fairie Queen,
you are the tormentor of numerous aching hearts!
Scientists get inspired by your charisma and
become poets or artists to express boiling emotion. :p
Some minds are flooded with amorous devotion &
see You as the Goddess of all Goddesses!!!
Others want to plant kisses all over you like mosaic art.

:p

You forgot to quote me on the "Nooo talkin' talkin'... just do it!"

sesame 07-25-2008 06:01 PM

Is this the avatar changing season?
Me, Bionca and now you!

Who is the cutie?

hankhavelock 07-25-2008 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 31921)
Is this the avatar changing season?
Me, Bionca and now you!

Who is the cutie?

She's my wonderful x (and now dear friend) Mizza Fi :-)

hankhavelock 07-26-2008 01:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bionca (Post 31903)
" Goddess of all Goddeses"


lol.. my golly .. *wipes tears of laughter* ... *falls out of chair* .... *continues laughing*

You guys are too funny!! Seriously, I think I have a better reputation here than I'm worth. I sometimes burp loud, I am cranky as hell in the morning, I am probably a little too competative at pool and darts, I snort when I laugh sometimes...

I get confused with lots of light and sound (gotten in wrecks in the supermarket before). I get lost easily, I'm a bit demanding during sex, I can be pretty selfish (probably my least favorite quality).

And.. I'll say again I'm really just an average gal with some cranky opinions. Hardly goddess material....

:inlove: u c? the more u say, the more convincing ;-) do u know the story by Danish author H.C.Andersen about the TRUE princess?

sesame 07-26-2008 04:07 AM

Bionca
 
Ok, its a deal then,

Hanky loves you cranky
Sesame likes you sane.
Goto him when danky,
Dine with me neaten.
Bionca, you never (really) wane!:kiss:

suki 07-26-2008 12:28 PM

Hmmm,

i think with some changes things will definately improve for you.

i don't mean physical changes.

much can be done; please stay optimisitic.

suki

sesame 07-28-2008 11:03 AM

Yeay!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Hankhavelock
it is so often the little flaws, the little imperfections that made all the difference and made her even more desirable... ... you wake up beside her, her make-up wonderfully smudged upon last nights passionate "interactions", her hair indeed sticking out in all directions (often more in one than all the others :-), her breath is "intense", maybe she made a little morning-gas, she's relaxed, comfortable and READY... "Hoooneeey..." she moans. Total YUMMIE! ... THAT's so perfect for a soooft morning-passion... after which you cuddle and slumber off again...

Considering the above statement of dear little Hank as true, here is my answer: Remember, you have officially announced your deep affection for her "Little imperfections"! So,

Bionca in the middle: A poem ;)

Hanky loves you cranky,
Sesame likes you sane.
Goto him when danky,
Dine with me neaten.
Bionca, you never (really) wane!
:kiss::kiss::kiss::kiss:

Bionca 07-28-2008 07:06 PM

A Little time off
 
I just got some pretty stunningly bad news about a friend. I think I'm going to take some time to get my head clear. I've posted the details on my blog, and don't really want to rehash it here....:censored:

sesame 07-28-2008 07:56 PM

Injustice
 
I'm so sorry for your friend!
Shame often paves the way for miscarriage of justice. Now the rapist will be so much encouraged. He will be confident to commit the same crime again and again like a man-eating Tiger! And he was her lover in the past! That is so cruel and disgusting! Its feels like a Horrendous Betrayal! It is such an agony to know every moment that the tormentor is not a stranger but someone very close. Its nauseating!

This is not good at all.:(

CreativeMind 07-29-2008 04:21 PM

Bionca, I think I can speak for everyone when I say we hope your friend will be all right. In the end, some sense of justice would always be fitting and nice, but the most important thing is her health and well-being long term. So all our concern, sympathies, and best wishes go out to her right now....

hankhavelock 07-29-2008 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bionca (Post 32334)
I just got some pretty stunningly bad news about a friend. I think I'm going to take some time to get my head clear. I've posted the details on my blog, and don't really want to rehash it here....:censored:

You and your friend have my fullest sympathy. However, this is just the ESSENCE of society's approach to transsexual people - extreme, yes, but still mainstream. In the end they don't give a f***.

Can we change that attitude? Maybe... in a hundred years in China..., eventually!

We're on our own - hence the necessity to stick together.

Blogs and books are good media to tell the horrific (as well as beautiful) things...

Take time to get your head clear, Bionca, and in the meantime make sure that you can defend yourself against the trans-haters around us... don't end up like my friend Mel who was beaten up by a dozen street-kids just for being a beautiful trans-woman...

Bionca 07-29-2008 07:38 PM

Thanks guys. I feel really honored that you all chose to comment here :hug: I'm still pretty wigged out and pissed off. But, my friend is ok and her current bf (who was out of town on a job not MIA as reported) is with her and is being a pretty swell falla.

GRH 07-29-2008 08:06 PM

Bionca, very sorry to hear about your friend. It is ashame how trans people are so often marginalized by law enforcement-- I can see why your friend would not report the rape.

sesame 07-30-2008 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRH
I can see why your friend would not report the rape.

What can you see? Tell me. Apart from shame and fear, what valid reason is there?

GRH 07-30-2008 07:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame (Post 32548)
What can you see? Tell me. Apart from shame and fear, what valid reason is there?

You hit the nail on the head with your first two statements of the clause. Fear and shame are the single most valid reasons. A transwoman, living in stealth, doesn't want to bring extra attention to herself. Bringing rape charges inevitably involves a trial, and that means having your own character, as the key witness, assasinated and drug through the mud. No longer are you the anonymous woman who wants to blend in, you become the sideshow freak of the courtroom circus. I'm not saying that this is optimal, but that's just life. You'll be painted as an abberrant, probably as a prostitute, and every other negative connotation that can be thought up. I wish it wasn't this way, but there are SO many cases of law enforcement, and justice alike, of completely marginalizing and ignoring trans-related crimes.

sesame 07-30-2008 08:49 AM

How about the physical evidence? How can they go unnoticed? The semen samples, the bloody orifices, the bruises, the battered head or black eyes ... ... are they reminiscent of fun and party?

If nobody stands up against the criminals, forget justice forever.

ila 07-30-2008 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sesame
How about the physical evidence? How can they go unnoticed? The semen samples, the bloody orifices, the bruises, the battered head or black eyes ... ... are they reminiscent of fun and party?

If nobody stands up against the criminals, forget justice forever.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GRH
Fear and shame are the single most valid reasons. A transwoman, living in stealth, doesn't want to bring extra attention to herself. Bringing rape charges inevitably involves a trial, and that means having your own character, as the key witness, assasinated and drug through the mud.

GRH has a very good point. Fear and shame are pretty powerful inhibitors when a court system is so adversarial that the person who is the victim can be made out to be the one whose fault it is that the crime happened in the first place.

It is this system that allows criminals to escape justice and the justice system cannot function as it should.

Dutch_88 07-30-2008 01:06 PM

Does any of you know if there are any sweet T-girls in Holland?
I can't seem to find any... :(

Bionca 07-30-2008 03:33 PM

GRH.. pretty much exactly what you said is true with her. It's like a lesbian couple I know who were TOTALLY closeted. Their house was on fier and they spent time messing up the sheets in the guest room so that the firemen wouldn't know they were shareing a bed.

I don't blame her for her decision, and chances are I'd make the same one. It sucks but that's pretty much how the system was for GGs 50 years agot too..

Bionca 07-30-2008 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutch_88 (Post 32614)
Does any of you know if there are any sweet T-girls in Holland?
I can't seem to find any... :(

Depends on what you are looking for? I know for fact that Amsterdam has a HUGE active population.

sesame 07-30-2008 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Bionca
It's like a lesbian couple I know who were TOTALLY closeted. Their house was on fier and they spent time messing up the sheets in the guest room so that the firemen wouldn't know they were shareing a bed.

It sounds like a spy story! Keep your head cool in emergency and fix some last minute flips so that the relationship is safe and secure! Its living with constant fear! What will the neighbours say about us? What if we are exposed! Oh no! What now!:no:

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Originally Posted by Hank
make sure that you can defend yourself against the trans-haters around us... don't end up like my friend Mel who was beaten up by a dozen street-kids just for being a beautiful trans-woman...

What kind of a society of psychopaths is that? "I will Beat you up just because I dont like the color of your eyes!" These people need psychiatric help! Their place is in some Lunatic Asylum. :frown:

Bionca 07-30-2008 10:40 PM

In many ways living "stealth" is living in fear. Also in many ways it is the only way to secure personal safely. The down side is, you monitor EVERYTHING you do and say down to reflexes like coughing, laughing, clearing your throat, yelling, walking, standing...

It translates into the common conceptions of Transwomen being "more feminine than genetic women". For many of us we wrap ourselves in "femininity" as a safety blanket. Better to go too far than not far enough I guess.

It took me some time to be comfortable enough with myself and my body to simply be me - which oddly was the goal all along. In some ways during the journey to authenticity I lost some of "me" and it took some time to get all of her back.

sesame 07-31-2008 02:36 AM

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It took me some time to be comfortable enough with myself and my body to simply be me - which oddly was the goal all along. In some ways during the journey to authenticity I lost some of "me" and it took some time to get all of her back.
Explain more please!
Quote:

In many ways living "stealth" is living in fear. Also in many ways it is the only way to secure personal safely. The down side is, you monitor EVERYTHING you do and say down to reflexes like coughing, laughing, clearing your throat, yelling, walking, standing...
But that would require a Tg to give up the originality of herself and put on an artificial mask of pretence. And she will have to go on acting round the clock until she retires to bed! Is that kind of life comfortable? It sounds very tiring and full of mental strain. :(

sesame 07-31-2008 02:59 AM

Pretending
 
On 2nd thoughts, acting is more or less a factor common of life.:innocent:

A holy man once told me that we are all pretending most of the time. We are performing in front of our relatives, friends and even to ourselves! :frown:

ila 07-31-2008 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sesame (Post 32745)
A holy man once told me that we are all pretending most of the time. We are performing in front of our relatives, friends and even to ourselves! :frown:

Interesting sesame. Did he expand on this statement or just leave it at that? The part about performing to ourselves is very intriguing. I think you may be on to a theme for a new thread.

sesame 07-31-2008 01:19 PM

Looking Inside our minds
 
We hide our real thoughts and feelings from everyone. We are afraid or ashamed of other people, or may be we dont want to hurt them. So we put up an appearance of happiness and harmony even though our opinions dont concur.

"Doubt whom you will, but never yourself."
If we doubt our own beliefs, we can no longer continue with our lives in a usual manner. There will be a great conflict or mental breakdown. To avoid this, the mind, which is a conglomerate of thoughts, and quite inventive, adapts a strategy to continue usual life. It starts pretending to itself and starts denying the disrupting issues, as if they dont exist. It is with great control over the mind, can we dare to face the Reality of ourselves.

There is constant strife inside every one of us! Thats what the Holy man said.

Bionca 07-31-2008 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by sesame (Post 32744)
Explain more please!
But that would require a Tg to give up the originality of herself and put on an artificial mask of pretence. And she will have to go on acting round the clock until she retires to bed! Is that kind of life comfortable? It sounds very tiring and full of mental strain. :(


In a nutshell, I think lots of TGs initially go in an extreemly "feminine" way of being - "more feminine than 'real girls'". It helps to think of this as a second puberty - think how teenage girls act once they start to come into their own womanhood trying on the social roles and the affectations of "femininity". Lots of Tgs do the same thing in part to secure their identity and in part to make sure that people will see them as the correct gender. I sure did.

Eventually, like our genetic sisters, we eventually come into our own ways of being women. For some of us it remains a fery hyper feminine presentation, some very demure, some overtly sexual, but most are comfortably just gals. It's all about finding comfort.

For me specifically, I left behind some of the things that interested me as a young boy/man. I stopped reading comic books and playing video games because "girls didn't do that stuff". I stopped riding my skateboard for teh same reason. Then I just said to hell with it. I'll be a tall gal who trucks to the comic book store on her skateboard. Fun times those!!


Yes indeed it does mean that a stealthed TG gives up some freedom and expression. That level of self censorship can eventually take an emotional toll. Just ask a gay person who has been closeted for 50 years and finally "comes out" how much more free they feel.

Bionca 07-31-2008 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by sesame (Post 32745)
On 2nd thoughts, acting is more or less a factor common of life.:innocent:

A holy man once told me that we are all pretending most of the time. We are performing in front of our relatives, friends and even to ourselves! :frown:

My old therapist practiced what she called Psychodrama. In essence the branch of Psychology says that everyone plays different roles in their life (worker, son/daughter, husband/wife, friend etc.). None of these roles is the authentic person, but are a part of the authentic person. The key is to make sure all of the roiles one plays in life are in harmony and not at odds with the other.

sesame 07-31-2008 06:26 PM

Jim's Dilemma
 
What is this Psychodrama? Role playing?

Example:

Jim is a son to his father Mathew (my boy)
Jim is husband to his wife Sweetie (C'mon honey!)
Jim is a father to his son Jack (dad!)
Jim is a buddy to his friend Jacob! (dude)
Again, Jim is an employee to his boss Jaguar (Idiot!)
Jim is "sweetheart" to his secret love, Janet (Aaaaaha!)
Jim is "bastard" to his ex lover Amanda! (that lying scoundrel)

If Jim is so many, then who is he to himself?:frown: Just me???
How does he manage or handle so many roles?

chrisraid3 08-01-2008 01:38 AM

i am new to this page too and looking for man woman or tgirl lol

Bionca 08-01-2008 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by sesame (Post 32868)
What is this Psychodrama? Role playing?

Example:

Jim is a son to his father Mathew (my boy)
Jim is husband to his wife Sweetie (C'mon honey!)
Jim is a father to his son Jack (dad!)
Jim is a buddy to his friend Jacob! (dude)
Again, Jim is an employee to his boss Jaguar (Idiot!)
Jim is "sweetheart" to his secret love, Janet (Aaaaaha!)
Jim is "bastard" to his ex lover Amanda! (that lying scoundrel)

If Jim is so many, then who is he to himself?:frown: Just me???
How does he manage or handle so many roles?


There is some role-playing involved - yes. Most of Jim's roles are probably in harmony with eachother, so his conflict and anxiety would be found within the roles that are not in harmony (like husband and secret lover). Having a dialogue in a safe place between the two roles can help to twease out an authentic relationship between the two, or help to better define one or the other, or even help to end a role that is causing problems.

This absolutely helped me to integrate my past as a boy/man and my life as a woman as well as figure out how I internalized being a "boy" with the identity of a "girl".

Dutch_88 08-01-2008 02:15 PM

You should dedicate a topic to the Dutch transsexual "Kelly van der Veer". Does anyone know her? She's beautiful!

hankhavelock 08-01-2008 03:17 PM

U guys are light years above my "pay grade"... cannot follow all that psycho therapeutic stuff... but that's just ME! To me transsexual issues have always been and will always be what I can relate to on a personal level / and to me that's "hands on" literally. When I let my fingers run over her back in the morning and she turns in bed, opens her eyes and smiles at me, opens her arms and we kiss for ever...

Sure, let me at some time do my PhD in all this, but the important thing to me is all the love I meet. Blended in with all the pain. The combined beauty of transsexuality as I've met it.

Less than three meters from here lies the most amazing woman - so excuse me for not just dealing with academics :-) Her pleasure and smile is 1000 times more important ;-)

Gotta run...

Peace!

H

Bionca 08-01-2008 03:29 PM

I adore you Hank :hug:

It's rather like when your friend said she needed to accept her masculinity first. I just did mine with a therapist.

sesame 08-01-2008 03:42 PM

Hanky the happyboy
 
Hank is the happiest man that ever walked on earth.
He is full of joy, most of the time.
It seems to me that happiness is
spreading from him like fragrance
in all directions. :)

sesame 08-02-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by bionca
This absolutely helped me to integrate my past as a boy/man and my life as a woman as well as figure out how I internalized being a "boy" with the identity of a "girl".

But you always thought of yourself as a girl! What extra help did the therapist offer? ... Relax, lie down on that sofa, close your eyes... tell me your thoughts, your dreams... ;)

Who prescribes the 'mones? Is it the therapist or some other doc? A therapist is some sort of a psychiatrist, I think?

sesame 08-07-2008 03:50 PM

Princess Bionca
 
Who is the tallest, fairest and wittiest of them all? :rolleyes:








Now then, where does that little fairy disappear from time to time?

Bionca 08-07-2008 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sesame (Post 33184)
But you always thought of yourself as a girl! What extra help did the therapist offer? ... Relax, lie down on that sofa, close your eyes... tell me your thoughts, your dreams... ;)

Who prescribes the 'mones? Is it the therapist or some other doc? A therapist is some sort of a psychiatrist, I think?

I did always feel that I was a girl. The therapist helped to ease my anxiety about how my body would change and also to ake peace with my male body before I transitioned.

Sometimes a Psych will prescribe the 'mones. In my case it was/is an endocrynologist. Seeing a medical doctor during transition is crucial to monitor the liver and kidneys and to check for any blood clots that high levels of Estrogen can cause.

sesame 09-14-2008 11:50 PM

Bionca's elusive Sexism
 
What is this Sexism issue that keep coming up in your Laughingriot blog? Do you prefer to single out men, women, lesbian women, gay men, m2f and f2m and suggest that each remain in their respective bounderies? I am confused.

c.schinger 09-16-2008 10:54 AM

Sorry
 
Hey there,

I'm sorry to hear that. :(

If you're ever in Boston, MA...do look me up! I'll show you a great time around!

CS

thebondj007 09-22-2008 12:20 PM

Dont Worry Bionca....things will eventually unravel and work themselves out. When you stop looking, thinks kinda come to you. Life is weird like that.:cool:

fuckshemaleass 09-23-2008 03:01 AM

look and up,thx

ladylover 09-30-2008 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Bionca (Post 24093)
Well, I was living in Chicago until the breakup, now I'm back home in the middle of Ohio switching between my brother and a friend's houses. I'll be moving to either LA or Miami soon though depending on which job I'll be taking.

Small world! I'm from the "middle" of Ohio also. About 15 minutes Southeast of Columbus. If I was single, I'd date you. But, I'm happy! Good luck to you.

ashifechi 10-03-2008 07:45 PM

I think that some people are pre-disposed to a certain gender. It's one thing to have a pretty face and look .like your mother, but, for instance, I have a foot fetish, so I have noticed, some, t-girls have very thin, dainty wrists and ankles, and very feminine feet and hands.

Some t-girls' bodies are already very feminine. So, they must be more femlae than male in their genetic make-up.

tgirllovinguy 10-07-2008 10:45 PM

Hi Biona (and all), I just read through this entire thread, and hope you do not mind me posting here. First, I want to say I hope your friend is recovering okay, Bionca. It's great to hear her b/f was there for her.

Second, I hope you will forgive me for this, Bionca, but the guy you mentioned who "liked you too much" is a FORMER Marine, not an "ex-Marine." As a former Marine myself, I have to alert you to the fact that "once a Marine, always a Marine." ;)

Third, from reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that you are an amazing woman. Highly intelligent, a great sense of humor, incredibly beautiful, warm and kind-hearted. Your bit of self-effacement is attractive as hell because I truly get the sense that it's real and not something you do to to "fish for compliments." Your confession of being a "geeky girl" also gets "points" with me, even though I know you're not trying to "score" any. (And if you'd like to take that as a double entendre then you are most welcome to do so!) :lol:

Any guy would be extraordinarily lucky to win your heart. I do hope the best for you in all aspects of your life: especially in love. I am 37 and still looking for my "soulmate" but I know I can't give up because the minute I do the right girl will pass me by.

You seem like one of "the good guys" (and I am employing that phrase as part of the vernacular). ;)

Well, count me as another "fan" here. Sorry I am so long-winded, I have a B.A. in English, and I love to write. :p

All the best, and thank you for sharing so much of your time and your self here with us. :inlove: and :respect: and :hug: :)
Rob

The Conquistador 10-11-2008 03:37 PM

I'd say...
 
For me, the attraction to a ts is one of personal courage and independence. Obviously you don't give a damn about what other people think and want to live life as you see fit. It also shows that you have a strong will and determination and there is nothing more attractive than a woman who can fight off the world and still keep her head up high in the face of opposition. That's what I like about ts. They tend to have a stronger character than a gg because they have experienced so much crap and hardship and come out a better person because of it.

BBboySingle 10-16-2008 08:26 PM

You're just beautiful
 
Hi Bionica, First i must say it you are truly beautiful no doubt about it, i truly hope that some day you will be able to find the guy who's perfect for you and some that will understand, it is true that we men have the fantasy to be whit a t-gilr but some do understand and wouldn't mind that you weren't born as a girl but no matter the past what matters is the present and the future your beautiful and strong hang in there

O'Sully TS Hopeful 10-19-2008 05:54 PM

Bionca I think that you are GORGEOUS and deserve the man in the world. I know that if was still a hetero man then I would give you all the love and respect that you deserve. Too bad I want to be a tgirl so bad otherwise maybe we could've hooked up.

Limegirl 10-19-2008 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman (Post 44362)
For me, the attraction to a ts is one of personal courage and independence. Obviously you don't give a damn about what other people think and want to live life as you see fit. It also shows that you have a strong will and determination and there is nothing more attractive than a woman who can fight off the world and still keep her head up high in the face of opposition. That's what I like about ts. They tend to have a stronger character than a gg because they have experienced so much crap and hardship and come out a better person because of it.

Yes, that is very true, we TS-girls have going through many rough experiences to make our bodys fit our inner picture of ourselves as women, we are women born in male bodies and that is an unmiagble tradegy for us.
We had to fight the societys prejudies, live in fear of violence, harazzments, contempt or at least total lack of understanding for our situation.
That fact makes me furius, I dont hurt anyone, leave me alone and let me live my life, why should this be so provocatice to many people? havent they other things to do then putting their noses in things that not are of their concern?
This is not a sexual thing, transexualism, its about life and death.
I want true love and respect and the best thing to achive this is to fit in the mainstream society so much as possible.
I want to have an naturale female approach, not an unaturale approach like many transvestites have with vulgar clothes, make up and offensive manners, looking like ugly hookers on the street.
/Limegirl

rastarzan 10-20-2008 03:24 AM

thats the way it is but in the end it is worth isnt it

Limegirl 10-20-2008 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by rastarzan (Post 45667)
thats the way it is but in the end it is worth isnt it

Yes, its worth EVERYTHING.., its a question of life and death for me...

ila 10-20-2008 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Limegirl (Post 45622)
This is not a sexual thing, transexualism, its about life and death.
I want true love and respect and the best thing to achive this is to fit in the mainstream society so much as possible.
I want to have an naturale female approach, not an unaturale approach like many transvestites have with vulgar clothes, make up and offensive manners, looking like ugly hookers on the street.
/Limegirl

You want respect but you aren't willing to give any. You seem to have a vendetta against transvestites. To get respect you must give others respect.

lucifer8 10-29-2008 08:46 AM

Am Ready For You
 
Okay Bionca, Lets Date And ,if We Like Each Other, Get Married.


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