Oh my god--Jimnaeium--is that how liberals think !!!!! You have everything all mixed up. And then you think Obama is going to save the world ?? And you think we are going to sit around til 2016 while your guy and his gang destroy my country?? Didn't you see what happened in New Jersey or Virginia or upper New York state and then BROWN whopping Coakley and the dem/liberal/Kennedy bunch. Your team saw it and they are panicing. Your team is dropping by the wayside and you are still cheering them on. I suggest you start listening to TracyCoxx--she's got it going on. Now I suggest also that you resign yourself to the fact the Obama is going to join Jimmy Carter with one term and lucky we don't run him out of town.

"Obama WILL become FDR!" You are right about that if we let him. Couple of the worst presidents ever were Woodrow Wilson and FDR--unthinking liberals to a tee. Want to see what a Liberal Run country would be like--look at some big cities that are always dem liberal run--Detroit--New Orleans--Chicago.

Get your rest now---2 hours and your Messiah speaks---I'll get my barf bag.

Have a good night.

We should listen to whoever agrees with you?
 

CCC:

Messiah was invented by Rush Limbaugh to create an expectation of a miraculous fixing of all problems in no time, like fixing the economy by 12/1/08.

Anything short of that is a disastrous failure, and Conse 'Pubs deserve 8 years to fix what Obama broke? Aren't Conse 'Pubs the best?

TAL

Oh yes, republicans screwed up everything and it's all under control now. BO has Corporate America under control now huh... BO's own secretary of treasury, Tim Geithner, allowed Steven Friedman to oversee Goldman Sachs. Who's Friedman? Former chairman of Goldman Sachs and was on the board of directors. Geithner OK'd this conflict of interest. Geithner also allows Friedman to keep his 52000 shares of Goldman Sachs stock while he oversees Goldman Sachs. Oh, and btw, Goldman Sachs stock rose from $78/share to $167 per share over the last year.

There's a new lobbyist for Goldman Sachs. Michael Pease. He's joining the director of government affairs. They hired him because their previous lobbyist, Mark Patterson, has been named the chief of staff for Timothy Geithner. Michael Pease is now in Barney Frank's office.

Gee I'm so glad Obama is keeping banks and corporate america under control now.

Apparently liberals have this expectation...

It seems just the other day all you guys were screaming Obama was a, gasp, SOCIALIST!
Told Ya!

Waiting for TMF to speak. Give'em hell Joe!

Do it Obama!

Nice Link
 

TRACY:

You've used this link before to prove you--no doubt--are right, as usual.

The quote appears to be cherry-picked, taken out of context, and/or it was a sarcastic comment.

I cannot tell without the whole text. It's kind of like Sotomayor being a blatant racist after Conse 'Pub pols cherry-picked statements over 20 years to pick one that could be misrepresented. Out of context and misrepresented?

Sorry, Conse 'Pubs have really poisoned things for me.

TAL

This is your guy?
 

TRACY:

Joe Wilson defines what it is to be a Conse 'Pub, like you.

TAL

I'm not trying to hide the context. Just putting in the relevant part of the quote. To see where the quote came from, the whole quote, just click on the check box after the name in the quote. Or click here

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showth...440#post128440

Before, I merely despised him. Seeing as how BO has now targeted my job and lifelong goal I am in a particularly foul mood when it comes to him today.

TRACY:

It was an over-the-top back-and-forth with The Angry Postman, and was out of context in the course of the conversation. You didn't take the post out of context, but it was out of the context of the back-and-forth conversation.

See why I feel poisoned?

TAL

TRACY


So, you ONLY despised him from when? 9/08?

Do you know how many people lost their jobs in 2008?

Cheney told Bush that they had to do something to avoid being Hooverized.

You blame Obama, and Limbaugh blamed him for the economy in 9/08.

Your opinion appears to be colored (influenced) by your ideology, while I prefer facts. Bush had 116 questionable actions in 8 years, which is more than 1 a month. I'm different: If Obama pulled the same stunts, I'd bust on him but good. I'm a Mod Dem, but I don't buy blind allegiance to anybody. The man shows me he'll do his best, and that's all a realistic person can ask for.




TAL

Not really...

He's trying his best to go against the will of the country.

Will of the people?
 

TRACY:

The will of the people is blurred. It is distorted by claims, like Fox, where I've heard that the majority of the people feel like Conse 'Pubs. The rub is that they've felt that way for most of Obama's term, like they gave him a month. That's what Beck did: He started his 9-12 project (tea parties) after 1 month, and they marched on DC for tax day. That will is distorted by carefully worded polls, and slanted audiences. Distortion example from Hannity: Bush won '04 in a landslide, but almost 50 million people voted against Obama. The latter sounds like he lost the election.

TAL

Yeah... what happened after a month into BO's term? He spent 2.5 times as much as Bush did during his entire 8 years! And that includes Bush's $700 billion Wall Street bailout! And it wasn't Glenn Beck that started the Tea Parties. This is what started it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEDlod2V80U

TRACY:

So, what would you have done? Nothing or more tax cuts? Why didn't Bush do nothing or more tax cuts? I put tea parties in parenthesis, because of the tax-day protest and not the founding of. Sorry, I wasn't totally clear on that which was a Ron Paul Libertarian design.

TAL

Fuzzy Math and Teabagger IQs aren't going to sink the Democrats, it's going to sink the Republicans. The baggers are already bickering with Sarah Palin because she's supporting McCain over some wacko DJ in Arizona. Every time any serious Republican candidate is pressed on the birthers, or death panels, or evolution, or Rush Limbo, you can see them disappear before your eyes. The Democrats don't need ACORN, but the Republicans need Glenn Beck. Good luck with that.
BTW, wasn't Obama magnificent last night?

I think Ron Paul had it right. We should never have done the Wall Street bailout in the first place because we can't afford it. If you're deep in debt, anyone with a brain knows you don't put yourself further in debt. That's obvious and I can't believe it has to be explained.

And you don't do nothing. The budget MUST BE BALANCED! This is another thing that is so obvious it shouldn't need explaining. There's tons of pork that we're paying for, and everybody knows it. Cut that crap out.

We need to transform the country so that we produce actual goods, not just services. When we export goods, we lower our deficit. And the way to do that is NOT by increasing taxes on corporations. They will scale their production down, go bankrupt or leave the country.

Yes, it will be painful for a few years. Pain is the only way to lower the deficit, but when we do, we will be much stronger as a nation. What BO is doing is propping up every bad idea that has failed so that it stays with us and continues to screw us.

And btw, even doing nothing would be better than what BO has done. The economy started to recover before the stimulus package had a chance to go into effect.

TRACY:

So, you don't believe Cheney when he said they had to do the bailout to avoid a Great Depression?


TAL

No. We weren't heading for a great depression. Tough times, yes, but not a great depression. Free market is a system of profit and loss. When the government tries to hide the loss, it fucks with the system and turns it into something else.

Oh, and another thing. We have to get back on the gold standard.

TRACY:

Are you aware of the electronic run on the banks in mid-September '08?

TAL

Yes, very aware.

Let's get down to facts, shall we?
The GOP is going to vote on a "Purity Resolution" today, proposing that all Republican Candidates must adhere to at least 8 out of 10 Conservative Values (taxes, illegal immigrants, guns, gays, etc) or be denied GOP funding. It is an attempt to bring the TRUE BELIEVERS and the REPUBLICAN PARTY together.
Now,.....my money says the party of NO is going to say no to this.
Looks like business as usual over at the GOP.

TRACY:

So, Bush was wrong to do the bailout?

That means if Obama does nothing or what you wanted, you'd be happy?

If things failed doing things your way, you would not criticize Obama?


TAL

You should be complaining about them copying the Dems..... agree to my stuff or I cut you off. At least GOP gives you free speech.

CCC:

No, it gives YOU freedom of speech.

Cheney said it is unpatriotic to question Pres. Bush during wartime! In other words, say nothing!!!

However, when Cheney criticizes Obama, it's his right to question him.

Yeah, the freedom of speech to buy elections courtesy of The SC.


TAL

Sure, you can have all the free speeches you want. But you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. The Republican Party is embarassed by you. You're a TOOL to them. They LAUGH at you behind closed doors. But they sure appreciate your vote. There's no MONEY in teabagger beliefs. That's why the Republicans will never fund it. It's too much like giving money to hard working Americans.

Conservatives?
 

Some quotes from George Carlin.

"Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money." :lol:

"Have you ever wondered why Republicans are so interested in encouraging people to volunteer in their communities? It?s because volunteers work for no pay. Republicans have been trying to get people to work for no pay for a long time." :lol:

"Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you?re just what they?re looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers." :eek:

RANDY:

Conse 'Pubs are for the military and honor, except when it comes to giving them more than the minimum increase in pay and benefits. Why? We cannot afford it!

TAL

And that is why Carlin is a great comedian and a friend of the family ha ha

Jimmy got that right.

"After President Obama spoke, the Republicans gave their rebuttal, during which they pointed out that Obama has repeatedly failed to solve any of the problems they created under President Bush." -Jimmy Kimmel

“Liberals seem to assume that, if you don't believe in their particular political solutions, then you don't really care about the people that they claim to want to help”-Thomas Sowell

"One of the most pervasive political visions of our time is the vision of liberals as compassionate and conservatives as less caring."-Thomas Sowell

"People who identify themselves as conservatives donate money to charity more often than people who identify themselves as liberals. They donate more money and a higher percentage of their incomes."-Thomas Sowell

"Thomas Sowell has his head up his ass"-Thomas Jefferson
sorry, George Jefferson

Obviously you cannot provide a valid and coherent arguement against Thomas Sowell's reasoning and must therefore resort to ad hominem attacks.


My Sowell beats your Kimmel.

Sorry, "Sowell has his head up his ass" -Jim Nauseum.

Bill Gates gives 2 billion to charity. Where do you think he got that money? Do you think he worked 200 hours a day? That 2 billion came from average citizens that shelled out hard earned money for windows. And once he got that money he multiplied it on the stock market. Whether you know it or not, all that money made on Wall st. was created by people who work 40 hour weeks for peanuts. Rent and food and a car.

1% of the people own 50% of the money. If you voted for that 1% to be in control, You;re their Bitch!!!! Not me.......

Bill Gates is an opportunist who marketed a product towards other people. Had there not been a demand for his product, he wouldn't be as successful as he is now. If you don't like someone's product, don't buy it.

Buying into rampant consumerism and bitching about it afterwards shows a lack of personal restraint and an innate hatred of anyone who may be more successful than you. Lest I remind you, you are probably typing your messages on either a Windows or Apple computer so you did indeed give away your money to either Bill Gates or Steve Jobs and that does in fact make you their Bitch. You did what is known as "voting with your dollar".

Yep, half of the people in this country "love" their "daddy" as he screws them day and night. :coupling: Wall street rules!:censored:

Drew explains why people vote against their interests.



In his book The Political Brain, psychologist Drew Westen, an exasperated Democrat, tried to show why the Right often wins the argument even when the Left is confident that it has the facts on its side.
He uses the following exchange from the first presidential debate between Al Gore and George Bush in 2000 to illustrate the perils of trying to explain to voters what will make them better off:
Gore: "Under the governor's plan, if you kept the same fee for service that you have now under Medicare, your premiums would go up by between 18% and 47%, and that is the study of the Congressional plan that he's modelled his proposal on by the Medicare actuaries."
Bush: "Look, this is a man who has great numbers. He talks about numbers.


"I'm beginning to think not only did he invent the internet, but he invented the calculator. It's fuzzy math. It's trying to scare people in the voting booth."
Mr Gore was talking sense and Mr Bush nonsense - but Mr Bush won the debate. With statistics, the voters just hear a patronising policy wonk, and switch off.
For Mr Westen, stories always trump statistics, which means the politician with the best stories is going to win: "One of the fallacies that politicians often have on the Left is that things are obvious, when they are not obvious.
"Obama's administration made a tremendous mistake by not immediately branding the economic collapse that we had just had as the Republicans' Depression, caused by the Bush administration's ideology of unregulated greed. The result is that now people blame him."
Reverse revolution
Thomas Frank, the author of the best-selling book What's The Matter with Kansas, is an even more exasperated Democrat and he goes further than Mr Westen.
He believes that the voters' preference for emotional engagement over reasonable argument has allowed the Republican Party to blind them to their own real interests.
The Republicans have learnt how to stoke up resentment against the patronising liberal elite, all those do-gooders who assume they know what poor people ought to be thinking.
Right-wing politics has become a vehicle for channelling this popular anger against intellectual snobs. The result is that many of America's poorest citizens have a deep emotional attachment to a party that serves the interests of its richest.
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/image...dyedelberg.jpg Thomas Frank thinks that voters have become blinded to their real interests

Thomas Frank says that whatever disadvantaged Americans think they are voting for, they get something quite different:
"You vote to strike a blow against elitism and you receive a social order in which wealth is more concentrated than ever before in our life times, workers have been stripped of power, and CEOs are rewarded in a manner that is beyond imagining.
"It's like a French Revolution in reverse in which the workers come pouring down the street screaming more power to the aristocracy."
As Mr Frank sees it, authenticity has replaced economics as the driving force of modern politics. The authentic politicians are the ones who sound like they are speaking from the gut, not the cerebral cortex. Of course, they might be faking it, but it is no joke to say that in contemporary politics, if you can fake sincerity, you have got it made.
Yep, Rush, Glenn and Fox News have fucked the voters. :frown:

[QUOTE=TheAngryPostman;130499] don't buy it
QUOTE]

I seem to remember Microsoft facing an Antitrust Rap in 1998, this is your Sowell hero. Your point was that corporations were charitable, my point is they have more money to be charitable. And then of course there is tax shelters.
This all comes down to UNION vs MANAGEMENT. If the people bond together, and refuse to eat shit, that's business, right? It's also called voting with your dollar.

The Health Industry is rampant profiteering leeched onto a noble cause. Parasites. Should Schools be an individual responsibility?
Any person who is Noble, Republican or Democrat, he's going to be OK, everyone he deals with will be OK. The better debater will win our debate. This has nothing to do with Cheney having all the Oil Execs in his office for a top secret meeting a week before gas prices soar!!! Take it or leave it? YOU take it!!!

And there you are.

[QUOTE=jimnaseum;130535]Read again Jimbo. I said that people who know what work actually is tend to be more charitable versus those that complain and bitch and ask for handouts all the time.

The Microsoft Antitrust case was because Microsoft packaged IE with the OS. You are obviously talking about things way outside your pay grade.

Unions set the wages for the workers and decrease any incentive for quality because they are going to get paid anyways. Why do you think GM and Chrysler went under? Low productivity, low quality and exorbitant expenses that were incurred by the unions as "benefits" for their workers led to their bankruptcy and ultimately put the workers out of a job; the very same workers that they were "supposed" to protect. Unions are by nature, communist. No matter how productive you are, you do not get paid your worth; they determine it for you. They determine your wages, your benefits and even how productive you are supposed to be. Unions were fine if you were a coal miner in 1880 or a steel worker in 1906 but nowadays, they are just counter productive.

Schooling is also something that should not be public. Look at the standards nowadays. A Bachelors Degree today is equal to a High School Diploma from the 1950's. Standards today are incredibly dumbed down because of idiots crying that their stupid kids are smoking pot and being lazy rather than getting an education. Today's average man is already a retard by 1900's standards.

Is it the schools fault that Little Johnny is a dipshit and has no discipline in his life? No. If it was the teachers fault and it was indeed the teacher who was not doing their job, then usually the teacher would be fired. But since they are employed by the Teachers Unions, anything other than molesting students, the teachers will continue to collect a paycheck and do very little.

And Jimbo, ad hominem has no place in a rational debate. Please do further to strengthen your arguements.


And yes, people banding together and boycotting certain legitimate wrongdoings in a business is indeed a form of "voting with your dollar". Why continue to buy something if it violates what you stand for?

I can't speak for the others, but I was more amusing myself at your expense than debating.

EVERY ONE of you points has one fatal flaw. George W Bush. He cost you all your credibility. I'm with Obama all day. I smelled Bush coming all the way. I've run into his kind a thousand times. That crap you're spouting DOESN'T WORK.*

*2000-2008

See, I gave you a footnote to prove my arguement.{sic}

What does Bush have to do with anything I've said? I've stated multiple times on this forum that I am a conservative Libertarian. Thus any attempt of yours to make some kind of ideological connection is invalid.

Of course I would criticize him.... on his foreign policy.

Reference?


And I laugh at their religious beliefs, but I appreciate them not turning this country into a socialist country. So they have my vote.

No money? Tell that to Senator Brown.

Don't you know the liberal mantra? BUSH DID IT!

Bush did it
 

Of course, THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE! :lol:

OK, Joe the Plumber, whatever, so who is your Leader? I have Barack Obama. Who do you have? Does your soapbox have wheels? Without a representative, you're just some guy mumbling to himself. Did you vote for McCain?

Look and ye shall find...

ANGRY:

Palin!

TAL

Nope. Guess again Tal.

Although I would not hesitate to analize both her and her daughter...:turnon:






HINT: It is a couple pages back in this very thread!