Oklahoma, the heartland of conservatism only 3% of high school students could pass the citizenship test. Only a few knew who was the first president of the US.
Its the parents of these kids, yelling and screaming in these idiotic tea parties.

:frown:

to answer you question tracey
 

i think i government should be funded enough to represent its people, and to be able to research all sides of any problem..... inform people unbiasedly..... and do the best option for the greater good..... protecting the minoritys rights, but not catering to only their needs.
is any of this going ot happen. no. other than the last part, meaning the minority now controls america. not a racial minority, although very similiar.

out of context
 

btw way, thanks tracey for the kudohs on the cock. much appreciated.

Wrong again. It's everyday working people who don't want the government telling them how to handle their personal lives.

Ok, then why have any goverment at all? If you believe that everyone for themself then why have a president, congress and a senate?
:) Jerseygirl Jen

I am not talking about anarchy or any nonsense like that. I am talking about social welfare programs and handouts that are incredibly cynical by nature and only serve to make the populace dependent on the government; Universal Healthcare being one of them.

If you want to end social welfare then you need to make all companies pay a living wage which the last time i checked the GOP was agianst any such messure, For there ten years of runing the house and senate min wage didn't raise 1 cent


:no: Jerseygirl Jen

Minimum wage is another thing only hurts the people that it was aimed to "help".

You mean in comparison to New York City, heartland of Liberalism and home to their beloved New York Times, where a year or so ago it was revealed that more than HALF of the New York City school systems teachers FAILED the competency tests for the very subjects they were teaching?

Then again, I guess that's what Liberals get for spending too much time bitching ABOUT the people who are out attending tea parties! :lol:

Oh spare me the BS on how the workers can trust big business to treat them far if they give them total free rain, What a load of crap every time there is talk about raising the min wage the GOP cries it will hurt bisiness and cause massive job loses then they add that nobody but teenagers get paid min wage, The greedie CEOS should all take a 200% pay cut and give each worker a living wage as trickle down was the biggest FU to the average worker


:eek: Jerseygirl Jen

This isn't OCP from Robocop or the Umbrella Corporation! Take a look
around where you are at. While there may be alot of big businesses in certain areas, the majority of businesses are small businesses. And believe it or not, every business, big or small, has what is called "operating costs". That means there are costs that have to be met in order to maintain the company and still make a profit; updating/maintaining machinery and paying workers being some of them. If you overburden a company with exorbitant costs (like minimum wage and mandatory health insurance) they are going to do 1 of 3 things: 1) Try to maintain the current feasibility of the company without changing a thing, resulting in the company going under, 2) they will charge more for their products, or 3) they are going to cut costs by cutting work time or firing/laying off workers. Out of all of those choices, #3 is more than likely going to happen which screws the people that it is supposedly trying to help and also eliminates competition which means less work in general.

If you are so against businesses, there is something called "boycotting" and "voting with your checkbook".

Oh yeah Jen, read Article 1, Sections 7,8 and 9 of the US Constitution for what the role and powers of the Government should be.

So you think the average worker should get paid even less so the bussiness can make more profit in other words the rich get richer and the worker get the shaft, I hear the post office is runing in to debit so are you going to take a pay cut? Would you work for min or under? And give up you health ins? Some how i don't think you would


:no: Jerseygirl Jen

Perhaps they are hiring too many teachers from Oklahoma.:lol:
By the way, most people in the South don't believe global warming is happening or that evolution is a fact.:frown:

Generally pay cuts and cost cutting measures are a sign of how well a business is doing. If they are downsizing, then obviously the "rich aren't getting richer". I don't work for the post office, work is never beneath me and I don't use my company's health ins. plan because it is shitty and I can get better care by shelling out an extra buck.

OK Obama don't get Johnsonized!:frown::eek:

I think obama will give it all he has to offer he will pull thru this...

How willing is the GOP?
 

I find it very amusing to listen to the GOP as they cry about the hugh debit and when W was runing up the tab they remained silent so i know a way to ease the debit but i wonder how willing the GOP is to go along a big part of this debit was caused by W's Iraq war and his tax cuts for the rich so to ease the debit they keep crying about lets do away with all of W's tax cuts right now , If not then shut up and stop crying about the debit your party started
:yes: Jerseygirl Jen

Well it's a good thing that Obama could take time out of his busy schedule of pushing a healthcare system that 80% of the public doesn't want, going on vacation, doing publicity stunts, keeping up with Kanye West and filling in for the Mayor of Chicago in trying to get the Olympics to come to Chicago and finally after 70 days to work General McCrystal into his schedule and talk about strategy in Afghanistan.

To put a war on the backburner for 70 days while our troops are in battle with no direction from the top is inexcusable.

If anyone needs confirmation of Obama's complete and utter ineptitude in foreign policy, the President of France (and for France's list of successes google 'french military victories' and click 'I'm Feeling Lucky') chastises Obama's position on Iran as "utterly immature". And goes on to say "We live in the real world, not the virtual world. And the real world expects us to take decisions.”

“President Obama dreams of a world without weapons … but right in front of us two countries are doing the exact opposite.

“Iran since 2005 has flouted five security council resolutions. North Korea has been defying council resolutions since 1993.

“I support the extended hand of the Americans, but what good has proposals for dialogue brought the international community? More uranium enrichment and declarations by the leaders of Iran to wipe a UN member state off the map,” he continued, referring to Israel.

The sharp-tongued French leader even implied that Mr Obama’s resolution 1887 had used up valuable diplomatic energy.

“If we have courage to impose sanctions together it will lend viability to our commitment to reduce our own weapons and to making a world without nuke weapons,” he said.

Mr Sarkozy has previously called the US president’s disarmament crusade “naive.”

This from a country who allowed the Germans to take over without firing a shot.

I'm feeling in a good mood today so here's some quotes from George Carlin.

"In America, anyone can become president. That's the problem."

"Bipartisan usually means that a larger-than-usual deception is being carried out."

"Fighting for peace is like screwing for virginity."

"Conservatives say if you don't give the rich more money, they will lose their incentive to invest. As for the poor, they tell us they've lost all incentive because we've given them too much money."

"Have you ever wondered why Republicans are so interested in encouraging people to volunteer in their communities? It's because volunteers work for no pay. Republicans have been trying to get people to work for no pay for a long time."

"Once you leave the womb, conservatives don't care about you until you reach military age. Then you're just what they're looking for. Conservatives want live babies so they can raise them to be dead soldiers."

"The real reason that we can't have the Ten Commandments in a courthouse: You cannot post 'Thou shalt not steal,' 'Thou shalt not commit adultery,' and 'Thou shalt not lie' in a building full of lawyers, judges, and politicians. It creates a hostile work environment." ;):lol:

Unfortunately randolph, George Carlin has no relevance in the international community, so his thoughts don't apply here.

Thankyou Tracy or should i call you RushII or perhaps AnnII, Your view that we are doomed because the GOP is not in charge and we are doomed everytime the Dems are in charge never gets tired so by all means keep the GOP flag waving and remind us agian of the wonderful job W did in his eight years tell us of the millions of high paying jobs he created
TELL US THE ECOMIC GOLD MINE EVERYONE HAD tell us about the cheap oil prices tell us how he kept us out of a needless war tell us how he gave us a hugh budget surplus by giving tax cuts to the very rich tell us how he kept the terrorist from there attack on 9/11/01 and tell us how he kept IRAN and NORTH KOREA from going nuclear and tell us how great Wwas, You always bitch and complain about Obama and you always forget that W was the worst president ever, Obama will not be the greatest presdent but he sure as hell won't be the worst as it will be hard to take W out of that spot only JEB or Sarah could do that

:yes: Jerseygirl Jen

:lol: :lol:

:lol: Jerseygirl Jen

???? He's irrelevant so his thoughts don't apply here. Well lets see, who's thoughts do apply here? How about Bin Laden, doesn't he have relevance in the international community? :frown::censored:

I point out how BO is the biggest screwup the whitehouse has ever seen, and you think that applies to all democrats. Why is that? BO isn't like all democrats. I think Clinton did a decent job with foreign affairs. Not a great job, since he didn't take al qaeda seriously enough, but he did a good job. BO's philosophy on foreign affairs is to ignore it.

Like i said Obama sure as hell will not i repete will go be the greatest president ever and Clinton was a hell of a lot better but calling Obama the biggest screwup ever is going some considring we just had 8 years of W and only Sarah could be a bigger screw up then W oh by the way i rember seeing on CNN that a former Clinton aide who i believe was PaulB i won't even attempt to spell his last name but he's on CNN a lot told how then presdent Clinton tried to warn W about al qaede and Bin Laden is the US's biggest threat and W could care less and paid no attention, Oh fyi i didn't vote for Obama i voted a write in for Ron Paul


:yes: Jerseygirl Jen

McCain Palin quotes.

19. "She's a partner and a soul-mate." ―McCain on Palin, whom he had met only once before selecting her to be his running mate, "FOX News Sunday" interview, Aug. 31, 2008 (Source)

20. "At least I don't plaster on the makeup like a trollop, you c*nt." ―McCain, to his wife, Cindy, after she playfully twirled his hair and said "You're getting a little thin up there," as reported in the book The Real McCain by Cliff Schecter (Source)

21. "That's exactly what we're going to do in a Palin and McCain administration." ―Palin, elevating herself to the top of the ticket, Cedar Rapids, Iowa, Sept. 18, 2008 (Source)

22. "We grow good people in our small towns, with honesty and sincerity and dignity." ―Palin, in her speech at the Republican Convention, quoting the fascist right-wing columnist Westbrook Pegler, an avowed racist and anti-Semite who once lamented that Franklin Roosevelt's would-be assassin hit the wrong man and also expressed his hope that Robert F. Kennedy would be gunned down (Source)

23. "Honestly, I have to analyze our relationships, situations and priorities, but I can assure you that I will establish closer relationships with our friends, and I will stand up to those who want to harm the United States. ... I have a clear record of working with leaders in the hemisphere that are friends with us and standing up to those who are not. And that's judged on the basis of the importance of our relationship with Latin America and the entire region." ―McCain, after being asked if he would invite Spanish President Jose Rodriguez Louis Zapatero to the White House, casting an ally of the U.S. as a potential enemy while simultaneously confusing Spain for a Latin American country, interview with Radio Caracol Miami, Sept. 17, 2008 (Source)

24. "As for that VP talk all the time, I'll tell you, I still can't answer that question until somebody answers for me what is it exactly that the VP does every day?" ―Palin, interview with CNBC's "Kudlow & Co", July 2008 (Source)

25. "Across this country this is the agenda I have set before my fellow prisoners. And the same standards of clarity and candor must now be applied to my opponent." ―McCain, Bethlehem, Penn., Oct. 8, 2008 (Source)

Ah yes, if we had only elected the Palin/McCain ticket, everything would be fine. Such fine upstanding intelligent people. cough cough barf. :eek:

Here's an idea: how about instead of pumping more troops into Afghanistan or focus on hunting al-Qaeda in Pakistan-killing all-too-replaceable cannon fodder-we start exterminating the firebrands inspiring the bastards in the first place? A mullah goes home from his latest day of hatemongering and gets a good night's sleep, courtesy of a suppressed TT-33! 7.62x25 Tokarev to the brain, you goat-fucking son of a bitch!

Palin, Limbaugh, Beck ... now it's Republicans seeing the downside

Some moderate conservatives see danger in the vociferous right, especially among broadcast pot-stirrers. They want to advance the GOP by changing the tone.
By Brad Knickerbocker | Staff writer/ October 3, 2009 edition

"I am not a member of any organized party," Will Rogers famously quipped. "I am a Democrat." Then there were those old jokes about Democrats forming "circular firing squads."

But these days, it seems like Republicans are the ones duking it out with each other ... or at least examining where they are and where they should be headed after recent electoral drubbings.

Mainstream Republicans are looking at the loudest of the conservative voices - Sarah Palin and the most prominent of the talk-show types (Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity, et al) - and concluding that the GOP needs to do something different if it's to succeed.

Steve Schmidt, former campaign strategist for John McCain, said Friday that nominating former Alaska governor Sarah Palin for president in 2012 would be "catastrophic" for the party.

"In the year since the election has ended, she has done nothing to expand her appeal beyond the base," Schmidt said at a forum sponsored by The Atlantic magazine and web site.

"The independent vote is going to be up for grabs in 2012," he said. "That middle of the electorate is going to be determinative of the outcome of the elections. I just don't see that if you look at the things she has done over the year ... that she is going to expand that base in the middle."

Meanwhile, Schmidt's old boss "is working behind-the-scenes to reshape the Republican Party in his own center-right image," reports politico.com. That means recruiting candidates, raising money, and campaigning on their behalf.

"Those familiar with McCain's thinking say he has expressed serious concern about the direction of the party and is actively seeking out and supporting candidates who can broaden the party's reach. In McCain's case, that means backing conservative pragmatists and moderates." :yes:

Its about time the Republicans flushed Rush and canned Ann. :yes:

As always I will let you back up your claim about W before responding to it.

Paul Bremer? Yeah, that's a hard one. Bush & Cheney tried to warn BO too. That did little good. BO is dismantling many of the policies that have given us intel we needed to disrupt upcoming attacks. Bush was delayed by idiots in Florida counting chads who were "trying to determine the intentions of the voters", so he was still putting his cabinet together for a few months. Then there was that incident with China. But he wasn't ignoring al Qaeda. By the beginning of September, he had plans to attack al Qaeda. BO hasn't done much better. His commanders are still demanding to know what BO's strategy is.

LMAO Ron Paul is the exact opposite of who you support here, and I have used many of Ron Paul's arguments against BO's policies here, which of course, you vehemently argued against. Although, somehow, that doesn't surprise me about you. :lol:

The losing side always has and always will do soul searching to figure out where they went wrong and how they should stage a comeback. Nothing new here.

Ouch, a little vicious, but I like it.:respect::lol:

Proof that W is the biggest screw up ever first just look at the mess he made our country his econmic policy's caused the biggest jump of poverty massive job loss the average american family annual income went down for the first time ever workers instead of getting an annual pay raise instead got an annual pay cut his trickle down BS was just that BS and last but not least THE IRAQ WAR the biggest screw up in history and lets not forget the wallstreet mess and the housing mess plus how he did nothing right after hurricane Katrina all this happend from 01 thru 08


As for why i voted for Ron Paul i did not aggree with everything on his aggenda but i liked his common sense ideas on how to stop the illeagel aliens by first doing away with all the freebe's like rent help food stamps health care schooling and so forth and then getting tought on those who employ illeagel aliens and if you do those they well stop coming and those here will leave so that was the main reason i did a write in for him as i didn't like Obama mainly do to him never giving details on all he wanted to do or even tell how he would actually bring these to pass and McCain lost my vote by picking Sarah as his running mate as she is a female George W Bush
:yes: Jerseygirl Jen

Ah, but in the real world, economic problems can often take decades to come to fruition. I would explain the roots of the economic crisis, but we've been down this road several times. Suffice it to say, it's over your head.

You wouldn't say Vietnam was a bigger screw up? We lost that one... had 58,000 casualties! And for what?

What was he supposed to do? What about Louisiana's governor? What about New Orleans' mayor? It was well known that a hurricane would devastate New Orleans before Katrina. Why didn't they have mandatory evacuations? Why were all those hundreds of busses sitting there unused in the flood?

That is coming. In his never ending quest to do as much damage to America as he can before he is impeached or his 4 years is up, he will make them all US citizens.

If it takes decades then i guess you are blaming Ronald Reagan fair enought after all he's the father of trickle down


Same can be said about IRAQ for what trillions of wastes tax dollars and if not for improved med tech the IRAQ war body count would be a lot higher so you excussing W doesn't work yet agian
Since W didn't get impeached and he was the most deserving to be impeached lieing to start his IRAQ WAR for starters almost bankrupting our country and stealing an election with help from his shit brother Jeb so i dout Obama get impeached unless the GOP takes over both houses and Obama gets a blowjob from an aide
Not only sould W have been impeached he should stand trial for war crimes plus the murder of US TROOPS killed in his BS IRAQ WAR
:eek:Jerseygirl Jen

No, I've said several times here who's to blame, but that mental block of yours is quite thick.

Not just medical technology, but also properly training and equipping the soldiers. Bush gave the military what they needed unlike some other presidents who ranked worse than Bush in this area.

There was a commission set up to find out what happened wasn't there? What were the results of that?

Oops, your memory failed you there again. I know you'd like to make the coincidence that the contested state was run by W's brother into a big deal, but he recused himself from the process. And after Bush took office, there were thorough recounts done just to make sure they got it right. You wouldn't happen to know the results of those too would you?

Only in Jen's World. In this world, however, facts matter.

Oh what a bunch of BS the troops were not equiped proper by W at the start of his war it was all over CNN how under equiped the troops were rember the shortage of armor for the Hummers and lack of body armor for the troops my how quickly you Bush nuts forget, Rember chickenshit W went AWOL from the AIR,NATIONAL GUARD when it was him time to serve so tell me how much he cares about the troops, So cut the crap W was no great leader he was a failure for starting the war and not giving a rat's a$$ about the troops the only person W cares about is himself after all his limo was armor plated and he wore a ton of body armor while those fighting and dieing for him had none
:no: Jerseygirl Jen

I never said they were perfectly equipped. They were equipped well enough to get the job done though. And well enough not to be ranked the worst president since we did not lose anywhere near 58000 troops like in Vietnam.

Let me draw your attention back to what you were talking about:

Yes the recounts showed AL GORE won
:yes: Jerseygirl Jen

Boy,JEN you get into this . a lot of this is over my head.:lol:
I side more with what you say about this tho.:yes:
keep it up. Sue b
(short & sweet)

I also went for Ron Paul.

Do you have a link for this earth shattering information?

The reason behind the need for armor was:

1) The Active military elements(like the Rangers at Ft. Lewis or 101st Airborne at Ft. Bragg) are supposed to be the ones actually over there kicking ass and whatnot. Reserves are called up in case the Active guys need more people and Nat'l Guard are supposed to take over the active guys position stateside. That never happened and about 75% of the troops over there are Nat'l Guard and the other 25% are Active and Reservists.

2) The pecking order of defense funding goes Active and then Reserves and Guard. The Active guys get all the good shit and the others get the leftovers.

3) The nature of combat changed in a way that was hard to predict. No one ever anticipated that the enemy would start deploying shape charges or a cluster of 155mm Artillery rounds underneath the roads. Humvees were designed as fast insertion troop vehicles, not peace keeping vehicles and weren't designed to hold 700+ pounds of RHA and tempered glass; they were light for a reason. Get in and get out.

4) Mobilizing troops and equipment is a logistical nightmare especially supply. Getting shit over there is especially time-consuming and since most shit is sent by ship, it generally takes 3-6 months to get it into port(provided that the connex that just so happens to have all the body armor and support weapons has not fallen off the ship and ended up at the bottom of the Atlantic; this happens alot more than you'd think) and finally getting it over to the unit that it is supposed to go to(provided that the convoy that these are on have not been hit by an RPG during an ambush).

5) Unit organization: Suppose an Active Duty maintenance company gets sent over to fix vehicles. They don't have enough people so they grab Reservists to fill those slots. The reservists don't have body armor like the Active guys do so should something happen, they're SOL. Now suppose there is a high profile target near them and there are no infantry nearby or available to intercept him. The mission will change and the maintenance are going in. What do you think will happen to a group of people who are sent into the thick of shit that should not be there?



The beginning of the Iraq and Afghanistan war was shitty not because the leaders didn't care; it was because the whole operation had so many variables that could fuck up things up royally that you don't see.

What earth shattring infromation?, Everyone knows W didn't win even the GOP know it but they continue the lie that he won which is total BS Jeb and Harris throw a monkey wrench into the election and the unsupreme court ruled in W's favor dooming us to 8 years of W and it will take about 20 years to fix his messes he left behind and yet you and the GOP continue to claim none of it was W's fault What ever happend to a president who says the buck stops here for 8 years W and the GOP tried to shift blame over to Clinton and even Jimmy Carter when it was W who screwed up everything and yet you try to hold him unaccountable for anything, Face it W was the worst president ever and i dare say he was also the most dispised with an approval under 20% only the die hards like Rush,Ann and you still continue to stand up and defend him, He went AWOL, he was a drug user and alcholic, every business he ran was ran in to the ground and he's a cheat and liar and a weasel
:yes: Jerseygirl Jen

The beginning of the Afghanistan war was perfect. Russia couldn't make any headway there after 10 years. We went in and took over the country within 2-3 months.

The beginning of the Iraqi war also went very well. The problem there was that we didn't keep up the pressure after we took over Iraq.

No, it's only so called common knowledge against you far left-wingers. If it's such widespread information, it should be easy to find a reputable link to verify your claim.

Again, Jeb recused himself from the process. Harris was just doing her job. With each recount Bush came out ahead, and people were holding up the election because they wanted to try and determine the "intentions of the voter". What kind of BS is that? Harris and the supreme court were right to put an end to the BS.... as later thorough recounts showed.

Oh, by the way, you forgot to answer this part... again.

BS Harrs was Bush's puppet even before the recounts she was all ready to Declare W the winner plus she tried to stop every attempt on recounts Wake up W didn't win by fair means the GOP shove him up our ASS and we suffered 8 years of bozo ruining this country and only the rightwingers believe W won fair and square well he didn't i beat you also believe W was hand picked by GOD
:rolleyes: Jerseygirl Jen

Tracy! You better not have one of these!

That is how out of touch with reality you are. I've said several times in this thread and others that I'm an atheist. You have some vision of what I am and all the evidence to the contrary goes in one eye and out the other. This is the Jen's World I've brought up. It's all in your head. As are the recounts you think you saw that had Gore ahead. You can't provide any links that show that Gore won the election can you? That's because he didn't.