Such generalization. Of course, what is sexually stimulating to a particular individual may, in fact, conform precisely to "culturally normalized notions such as orientation and gender." And those "normalized notions" may shift from one culture to another.

As I have posted before:

"All generalizations are false, including this one." -- Mark Twain

"All generalizations are dangerous, even this one." -- Alexandre Dumas P?re

I wouldn't say they conform "precisely". The individuality and the notions are also generalizations

All hard shemale cocks are good! :lol:

Or they may. That's the point of calling out a generalization.

They can't! There is no point where there is absolute conformity.

You really don't get it.

They may generally conform to the precise generalizations that you continue to make.

The point is: enough already with the useless generalizations!

You claim "I don't get it" and then you mirror my point in that there are no absolutes.

Not according to a Japanese court!
 

I just read something that caught my attention! I always wondered why so many Japanese shemales are castrated. According to this article a Japanese court decided that sex between a man and a castrated man is not considered same sex, ie, not homesexual!
I've had guys try this theory on myself before. I lost my testicles in an accident and in searching for information ran across shemales...and then castrated shemales. I was attracted quite simply because we have the same equipment...or lack of it!
I'm straight or consider myself straight....but now what's straight or gay? Does this mean I can only have straight sex with someone who HAS testicles?
How about if I just go on about my business and live like I always have!

This thread just confirmed a lot of what I was already thinking. I'm pretty comfortable in my own skin so I hadn't worried much about labelling what I am, but it's nice to know there are so many other people out there who feel like I do.

Thanks for sharing everyone.

I think that if a man plays with a penis,
then he is definitely a latent homosexual;
especially so, ...if it's his own penis.

Sorry guys, but that is a medically proven FACT.

That would make women lesbians if they play with their own naughty bits. :lol:

This was pretty funny because I know you are not serious. :lol:

I would be very careful with what you presume to be serious and unserious coming from Jodie, lest her alter ego get you! ;)

Yep.
That's the way it works. :yes:

I don't think there is an objective definition.

Some in this thread say that taking it in the shitter from a TS is gay, but technically simply looking at a large TS cock and getting aroused it by or simply admiring the aesthetics of it is gay, since it's a male organ and in some way representative of gayness. IMO it's silly to say that some acts are more gay than others, it's our Western pop culture that links anal sex to homosexuality.

That said, I think liking TS' is a shade of grey. Most who do simply like the mixture of a cock and a female body shape/figure, so it's not exclusively gay or straight.

I think T-Girls will only get more and more popular as time goes on. They're just too hot and have way much more sex appeal than biological women. In the near future they're going to be a lot of women complaining that their man left them for a T-girl. Or that they found T-girl porn on their computer. Times are changing.

Every transwoman I know just wants to be thought of as part of the crowd. A statement like this just makes no sense whatsoever. Your view suggests the evolution of our species in a direction that defies logic.

Just because one wants to be a part of the crowd does not make them part of the crowd. Yes, Transwomen are women but they're not born women so they'll always be different from biological women. I hope that doesn't come out offensive to some, but that's how it is. It doesn't mean a transwoman can't live her life to the fullest, but society will always judge T girls differently from Genetic girls.

In simple terms, more people are likely to call a woman with a penis derogatory names rather than a woman. Society doesn't just allow transwomen to be part of the "Crowd", even though they want to be (And Should).

1. My response to you was not about the crowd issue out of context, but in your context of stating "I think T-Girls will only get more and more popular as time goes on." From the perspective of people who want to be "part of the crowd," it seems to me such a statement flies in the face of reason. I asked a transwoman I know about your statement last night. She said, "I want to be no more or less popular than any other segment of the population." I know what she means.

2. You write of transwomen: "... they're not born women." That is ungendering. They ARE women who happen to be born in the wrong body. While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive. Read here:

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showthread.php?t=7311

I'm not going to continue with this argument. I feel like if I say how I feel people are gunna get offended. Well, I guess everyone is free to believe whatever they want. It's a shame though, because I obviously have admiration for Transwomen (I wouldn't be on this forum if that wasn't the case), but I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on some things.

Just to reiterate, I wrote about your earlier post: "While I don't think you mean it offensively, it is offensive." The point is that words matter, and in the matter of identity, it is ONLY the self that matters. So, any transwoman that says she is a woman is, in my book, a woman. Only she gets to choose. Only she gets to define herself. Period. End of discussion. :yes:

I disagree but you've defended your point well enough. :respect:

I appreciate the respect emoticon, but I must ask for clarification. You disagree with self-determination of one's identity? Or do I misunderstand you? Because if you do disagree with self-determination, I wonder whether you are prepared to tell any of our transmembers who say they are women that you know better.

And that's been my point all along ...

Yes, the popularity of shemale porn is exploding. Many of the major porn producers are looking into producing shemale porn. Does that transfer into real life situations? Are lots of men dating and/or marrying transsexuals as a result of viewing shemale porn? Personally, I doubt it, look at TSJodie's comments.
Also, I do think most transsexuals want to be "part of the crowd". Being "different" in this society is dangerous as Transjen and other transsexuals can testify. Many transsexuals even the hot shemales ultimately want a vagina and are willing to pay a lot of money for it.
For me shemale porn is a fantasy far from reality.

nice to know im not alone....i consider myself straight and am very masculine but there is something about a beautiful shemale that turns me on very much.my friends would never understand and i have no one to talk to about it

Here we go agian trying to put everyone in groups while looking at everyone in black and white
I think this whole problem starts with boys at an early age because if you ask most boys around seven they all think the male gender is the top of the ladder and the female gender is a rung below the male and this thinking stays with em

So when they see another male who becomes female they are shocked and really can't accept it and so appauled are they that they put us under the natal females and some even class us as other giving all these BS reasons why we are not male or female
And even so called educated people like Doctors and lawyers judges have this belief
So in the outside world i do my best to be just one of the girls which is all i ever wanted to be to start with
:yes: Jerseygirl Jen

I love it: "You're so gay, George Michael uses YOUR bathroom to pick up guys." :lol:

If liking Riftgirl, who does this video, means I'm gay, then I embrace that label. Because I just don't give a flying fuck about labels.

Wonderful! Should be required viewing for all "admirers."

I've come in on this late but for my two pennies worth my personal outlook is if I see someone I find attractive then I find them attractive and that's it, I don't need to pigeon hole, categorise or label them, and up to now straight looking guys are the only thing that hasn't rocked my boat.

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Ah shit! Just realised I labelled a group in my last post, didn't mean to be hypocritical I just didn't know how else to put it.

I find different people attractive for different reasons if that makes sense? Women for long term relationships, lb's etc for fun and tv's for fantasies when I should be working, no its not general knowledge but neither am I ashamed.

I'm sure that you will find that ladyboys consider themselves to be women. I'm also sure that you will find that the majority of transgender women are looking for a long term relationship.

And the reason, as ila knows, is that they ARE women.:yes:

Some thing to think about
 

Now a lot of Tgirls are called chicks with dicks and just think about it chicks with dicks the name implies a girl with a dick now they are not called guys with tits and the reason is guys with tits implies a guy with tits and if that is what you like then you may be gay

:) Jerseygirl Jen

Nice explanation. :lol:

no
 

no they are girls :)

Great explanation from a great girl:):):)

Though I can't imagine tranny chasers being absolutely gay, many do exhibit
latent homosexual tendencies inasmuch as they harbour a deep attraction to the masculine as much as (or more than) the feminine far side of the tranny spectrum in terms of both preferred behavioural and appearance tranny proclivities.

In other words, these men are the types that like crossdressers the best, crave cocksucking, as well as have a fixation with tranny-on-male sex, opting not to take a dominant male role.

Thankfully, I'm not one of these men.

Now that (the part I've put in boldface above) reads like a subtle "dis."

Giant eyeroll.

If you are attracted to transwomen, ie women with cocks, were you to further develop a desire to pleasure such women orally (such is the case with me) you are no more gay than you were when you realized you were attracted to transwomen.

I'm one of the men who like this. I don't think I'm gay for enjoying tranny on male sex, but I know for sure I'm definitely NOT straight. I'm probably somewhere in between. However, I'm not attracted to males in anyway. I'm attracted to females, and me watching tranny porn has not affected my sex life with any of my ex girlfriends. In fact my sex life is great because I'm usually more horny in general. Pussy's great, but a woman with extra is amazing. There is a fantasy aspect to it that drives me (And MANY others) crazy.

There are plenty of guys out there who like it when a woman is in charge, and some even fantasize about girls using strap-ons on them. There are similarities between a girl using a strap-on to pleasure her man and a girl with the real thing pleasuring her man. Their are many different opinions about this kind of sex, some may say it's gay or whatever. Personally, it turns me on so I don't give a crap what anyone says. :)

Hi, one of my first posts here. I am in a relationship with lovely Tgirl an this reading of so many posts on this subject has helped me out so much. We have been together on an off for a year now but the last three months, I have been living with her.

The hardest part for me was thinking I was gay an that my family will freak out. I am not a bottom an sex for me is only a small part of the equation. I just really like my girl an we have such good fun together here in Thailand.

I do not like guys that are buffed an a set of hairy legs an arse, well makes me not turned on at all. I like sucking only because it pleases her but I can make her come very easy via normal sex. First time that happened I was amazed that it can happen!

So am I gay or what? I loved pussy for the last 25 years but now I cannot get hard with a woman. So, gay or whatever you want to call us all, I can never recall being looked after so well, having a person who has a caring ear an most of all, a girly nature more so then the average woman, yet the understanding of that of your best mate. What else can I/we ask for.


The girl I am with at the moment, I think of her totally as a woman. It is very hard what I am trying to say but I really hope you can understand what I mean. Best friend, lover an a lovely lady. I wish I could explain better what I feel but those whom have or are in a relationship, will understand what I mean. I do not want to be at anyway or form, disrespectful to anyone on this forum.

"Does liking shemales make you gay? "

This is a question that comes to my mind a lot. A know that the majority of society would answer, "Yes", which I think is ridiculous.

I am attracted to feminine physical features (curvy body, sexy hips, bosom, etc), and I could look a the female form (and frequently do) all day long and never grow tired. I also enjoy all manner of erotic forms of female likes, like robot women, alien women, sexy demonic women with wings and red skin, blue-skinned women with horns on their heads and hooves for feat, etc. To me, shemales are a form of "exotic" fantasy women, that just happen to real! :)

Also, when I think about making love with a woman, I want the whole package; eyes, lips, arms, hands, hair, eyes, legs, feet, butt, back, eyes (I really like eyes) and the genitalia is just a small part of the whole package. To me, the genitals are just part of the love-making process, so whether my partner has a vagina or penis does not really matter to me.

Most of society would just focus on the genitals and claim that, if you want to make love to a partner with a penis, then you are gay (from a male point of view), regardless of what the rest of them look like. This means that if a man were to make love with a woman that, other than her genitals, looked like a guy, that would still be heterosexual? I would rather have the opposite.

I love dicks, dicks are the greatest thing in the world, especially if they're on a cute boy or a gorgeous shemale.

Question, what would someone call me? I consider myself a homosexual, but I adore girly femmy sissy boys especially, and of course I consider shemales to be utterly gorgeous and desirable. With a few exceptions, I am not all that interested at all in regular men or masculinity, although I know for sure that I could never date a ciswoman, pussy turns me off faster than anything else (to those with pussies, please don't think I'm trying to devalue you! I simply would only be interested in a platonic relationship with someone with a vagina).

I almost find it funny that of all the things that turn me off, it's the vagina of a fellow human being, rather than all the other stuff which my kinks involve. Anyways...

I will be completely honest, it disappoints me that there aren't more gay guys within the sphere of transfans. I certainly know I'm not straight, and at my most heterosexual, I'd be called probably homoflexible, but even that goes a bit far. I'm not surprised or upset that most transfans consider themselves straight, more that there's the idea that shemales are a straight venture, which isn't always the case. Just because someone is gay doesn't mean they automatically slobber over every guy in sight, and it doesn't necessarily mean that they even always like masculinity. For me, it's because I love boys, plain and simple. I like them soft, I like them shy, I like them feminine, but I also like them, in the end, as far as their actual parts go, male. Can I still be considered a transfan?

Surely I can't be the only self-identified gay guy on here?

I suggest you read through this thread. There are two main positions adopted: one is from all the guys who worry that they're gay (guys who I think are wasting their time and valuable brain cells on such a thing), and the other from those of us who don't give a shit about labels.

Oddly enough, the label you give yourself seems to matter enough that you would leave if there aren't others who similarly label themselves. That seems, to be perfectly frank, rather ridiculous. Just be yourself and enjoy the site.

Especially? There are other possibilities?! Whole new sexual arenas?

No, I understand (in fact I tried editing my post after I posted that to remove that "Perhaps I should leave" bit because I knew it was wrong to actually suggest something based on something so silly as labels), and that's something I've been trying to work on is just trying to forget myself and my own labels, it's just that me accepting myself as such was such a powerful, shaping event in my life. Really, my disappointment comes mostly from how I find myself all but alone as a gay guy who appreciates femboys, you'd... well, I suppose you wouldn't be surprised by it, but there really are so few gay guys into shemales and crossdressers. Really, it's true that crossdressers are my bread and butter when it comes to sexual fantasies, and not necessarily shemales first and foremost, but I really appreciate femininity and I love femininity... I just don't care for ciswomen or post-op transsexuals in that way.

I simply wish I saw others thinking the same, yet also being able to appreciate things like soft-featured boys and submissive, cute, non-masculine males in general. Certainly I can't demand that others do, and I get that most on here aren't gay.


I simply mean soft, feminine guys as opposed to, for example, bears, or even more masculine men in general.

Yup. I hit 18 and everything began to change. I identified as bisexual at that point. And becoming aware of this new thing inside me made me feel strong.

I'm over that now for the most part, the labelling. I'll label myself "queer" at times though. But I left the label bisexual and it was no big deal and at some point I realized I was less interested in men than I was in cock and I had always been aware about my very strong preference for women. And one day I bumped into transporn.

Agreed. Jonathan Frakes looks awesome in a beard though.

O but to have a feminine boy! I'd chain him to the bed.

Ahhhh. I understand, I totally see how shemales would be attractive towards heterosexuals more than homosexuals. I understand, too, that the femininity I love in shemales and crossdressers would, to some people, qualify me as bisexual. I simply know that I am not.

Really, I just wish I knew other guys with the same desires who self-identified the same way, if only because that part of my identity is so strong. I've been told that I "act straight," which, though it is a despicable term, basically tends to mean that I don't have the stereotypical features of a homosexual. I'm not "limp-wristed," I'm not "prancing," I'm not a drama queen, none of that (I have yet to see more than maybe three people in my entire life who fit that gay stereotype). But I am gay. I just... love really girly guys. I mean guys in general, but softer guys especially, they're all I think about sometimes...

And I love girly guys as well but have seen very very few of them in my life. (Damn you E24th, now I want a boy badly.) As for stereotypes: I learned a new one when I lived in the US. A stereotype about Puertoricans I had never before had any inkling of. It goes something like this, "You will never see men and women walking hand in hand in PR because there's nothing but gay guys there." I have yet to see any evidence of this. See where I'm going with this?

How are transwomen attractive to homosexuals? And you did not explain what you meant that you see how transwomen are more attractive to heterosexuals than homosexuals.

Transvestites (femboys) attract ME at least (I can't speak for other homosexuals) because they have the femininity I utterly love, along with the parts which attract me. I am NOT, however, looking for a relationship with an actual transsexual. Transsexuals are women, and as much as I love femininity, I don't love females that way. Really, what -I- personally think would suit me is to look for a boy willing and able to crossdress for me at least sometimes, it seems like it would be a good balance.

I actually say that transwomen would be more attractive to heterosexuals based mostly on experience, and from that I've learned that yes, indeed it is the gender, not necessarily the sex, which can be the attracting factor.