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Where are you politically?
I'm curious... what are your political standpoints here at this good forum?
I've made some pretty clear postings as to where I stand (not that any Americans should care, cuz I've not been invited to vote in ur election any ways :-)), but where do you stand? Let's have some heated debates - it's good for demoCRAZY! Peace! BARACK OBAMA! Hank
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I'm not in the US but if I had a vote there I would choose Barack Obama over John McCain. |
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I would be in favor of a benevolent despotism... with me as the despot naturally.
“Instead of a Dark Lord, you would have a queen, not dark but beautiful and terrible as the dawn! Tempestuous as the sea, and stronger than the foundations of the earth! All shall love me and despair!� -Galladriel Lord of the Rings
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I'm keen on the "All shall love me" bit but not so keen on the "despair"
Benevolent despotism is the ideal form of governance. Most people are more than happy to let someone get on with running things as long as they feel cared for, provided for, and protected. The trouble is it's virtually impossible to achieve. No sooner installed than your 'benevolent' despot will turn out to be nothing of the sort, someone else entirely, that seeks to exploit and supress people in order to maintain their own position. Then removing them is traumatic and bloody! |
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Rock on for CHANGE, giiirl! Here I am, baby, signed, sealed, delivered! BARACK OBAMA! H
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Except perhaps for a man chasing a Twat ! ( Anglo-speak for an inviting minge )
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i always consider myself moderate or independent...but i will admit i do like some of the ideology of socialism and the like....still not decided on who i will vote for come this november.
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For those that still want to label me a right wing kook just remember that the left wing is also a wide spectrum that involves social welfare through to communism and Stalinism. Those that vote Democrat in the US are usually looked on as lefties, but I don't call you communists so don't look on me as a right wing extremist. It's also not a mistake on my part to say that both the left and right wing involve social welfare as both sides of the political sprectrum start from the centre and work outwards. (so ends my political science lecture) |
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i'm a full capitalist,the best system for innovation and compétition
born free or die |
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What I find interesting about the US 2-party system is the division of economic and social issues and how the division is pretty contradictory. For example..
The "Right" values little government influence in regards to business and feels that private charitable institutions are better able to handle social welfare needs. In essence a Conservative in the US would like to see less taxes and less government involvement in the private sector.... Until we come to social/personal issues. Then we have the "Right" fighting against Gay Marriage (or any legal recognition of the relationships), fighting against Trans* folks getting the legal sex changed on their documentation, wanting government policy to dictate legal sex acts and partners, and having authority to determine what medical options are available to people with HIV, and having a say as to whether a pregnancy comes to term or not. And the "Left" here takes the opposite - strong government influence in business and taxes and social welfare with a "hands off" approach to personal/social issues. No wonder people think Americans are nuts!
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But I believe that the left rightfully understands that without strong government influence in certain areas then the socalled "vulnerable" will be completely overrun by the "laissez faire" approach. Basicly, "strong government" in a capitalist, democratic society means "to protect and serve every body" including the minorities. Luckily, this entire presidential campaign seems to have opened at least quite a few American eyes to the fact that "strong government" is neither marxism nor a stopper of personal freedom. I guess that eight years with an ultra right (and really not very bright) administration finally paved the way for a new awakening in your beautiful country. But I do love you wit and your wonderful way with words ;-) BARACK
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I don't think Americans are nuts. Traditionally the European view has been that mainstream American politics is a fairly narrow spectrum, ie. not a lot of difference between the two main parties. This is changing, in part because European politics have become more narrow and perhaps American politics have become more polarised.
The question is whether the right's idea of minimal goverment is just a way of not dealing with the more difficult issues of poverty, health care, minority rights, etc. whilst discretely favouring their own (the rich). And for the left, will interventionist policies deliver genuine benefits or simply give more control and power to the politicians. I'm optimistic about American politics. This is the country that gave us "The Rights of Man". |
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Democracy, as we know it, had its origins in ancient Athens. Although it was not a truly democratic equal rights society. Women had no rights as we know such rights today and Athens still had free men and slaves. Rome for a while had a form of democracy, but was still not an equal society. For the true origins of modern democracy you should look closer to home Marlowe. England is the model for all modern democratic societies. It is through many struggles and travails that the English endured and persisted in that gave the world modern democracy. The 'Rights of Man' actually started with the Magna Carta, but that was only just a beginning and didn't, in and of itself, bring about true democracy and equality.
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Ah, I love being American! I can laugh at my own country - this silly republic in which democracy comes in the form of voting not for the presidential candidate you like the most, but the one you dislike the least. I mean, I have no illusions about the outcome. My feeling is, be it Obama or McCain, our next President is going to fuck up, BIG TIME. LBJ-Tricky Dick-Ford (Not a Lincoln)-Jimmy-The Gipper-Old Read My Lips-Bill-Dubya. It's a cycle of executive insanity!
On the other hand, being a centrist is a bitch! I'm constantly caught in the crossfire between liberals and conservatives. Last edited by St. Araqiel; 07-10-2008 at 07:33 PM. |
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Middle of the road
I'm in favor of Barrack, though I can vacilate between Rep and Dem. I really think the US needs to mature. It's still a very young country in comparison to others, and many other countries have adopted more socialistic policies, to the betterment of society (in some respects anyway).
As a Libra, I always find myself in the middle. Oh yeah, and I believe the Republicans have to let go of their stranglehold on the Christian/Catholic segment. The bible drives too much policy. Hank, did you really start a political thread? Guess I fell right into it.:D
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I'm a socialist-to-communist! Government control over everything! Planned economy, equal share for everyone!
MWA-HA-HA! ALL HAIL MEGATRON!!!
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I was referring to "The Rights of Man" by Thomas Paine. He promoted liberty and human equality as inalienable rights and his writings were a big influence on the American Revolution and the subsequent Declaration of Independence. Also, I believe it was Paine who first suggested the name 'United States of America' for the new nation. Strictly speaking I'm not right in saying that work came out of America. Paine was an Englishman who emigrated to America. What I meant was that the underlying foundation of American politics are based on ideas of liberty and equality, and that's a reason to be optimistic. |
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I think Hank had a spare half hour between dates.
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And I cant wait for Barrack to take over that abused office! We've now all (in this world) been tormented for eight years by probably the most amazing example of American governmental stupidity and a scary degree of ultra right wing horror, branded by "Patriotism, God and Glory..." and a degree of scare-vocabulary that we have to go back to the nineteenfifties to find matches for. I hope that the pathetic, incompetent George Bush and his "administrasi-horribili" is the for ever LAST example of electoral corruption and right-wing bending the rules in the name of (their) mammon and suppression of democracy in your country. You guys should take the bunch of criminal ass holes to court... but how can you? These guys own it all... and you just let them. But Obama will restore it all - it will not be easy for him, and the expectations will be unrealistic, but he's the man! H
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Stirring stuff and a fine turn of phrase.
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It's about social compassion and accepting the fact that ppl like George Bush and his hoods will NEVER care for any one but them selves and their hypocritical born again Christian companions... In the end it's about Christian values... the Christian values that neither the Pope nor George Bush monopolized. This is all about compassion and treating thy neighbour as you would want your neighbour to treat you. "Solidarity" is not a socialist term - it's a term that is universal and necessary for any society to move on as a society. It's about being open and willing to accept! And to lend a little help when needed! H
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In all fairness... not ALL Republicans have been dumb, ultra right wing idiots with only their own corrupt agenda... Ronald Reagan was, in spite of the very unfair criticism, probably the best placed American president ever!
By my political book Ronald Reagan paved the way for detente - he truly and personally disliked the nuclear threat and acted on it. Unfairly it was the stupid current president's dad who closed the deal, but it was all done by Ronald Reagan. The fact that he never got a Nobel peace prize is to me one of the most gross political mistakes ever. H
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Last minute Questions and answers
What is "aggressive peacekeeping"?
(Farting noiselessly) What is maintenance of the "balance of power"? (Keeping the lion's share for myself ) What is making rules? (Breaking them blatantly every now and then, as needed) What is unleashing agents of disruption on my neighbours? (They are growing fat, exercise will keep 'em busy) Why start a new crusade in modern times, instead of sewing up religious hatred? (Its all about God and all Glory goes to him. I only keep the oily part ) Man, politics is bathed in corruption, conspiracy and innocent blood! (Where there is meat, there always will be vultures) What happens to dear old Buchy Buchy? (Ah, him! He has gotten a whole theme-park reserved in Hell.) Absolute power corrupts absolutely, is it true? (Only if I'm scared of losing power all the time... and try to keep it forever! Power is like money. It comes and it goes.)
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Hi Marlowe,
I know Thomas Paine and I'm not a big fan of his writings. His arguments can be very polarizing as in his book 'The Age of Reason' (although I haven't read the full book, only extracts). |
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I wonder if Obama will ever make a stand on any of his principles and beliefs. He seems to bend whichever way the wind blows. He has opinions until they become unpopular and then he changes his mind. He supports people until they start to become a political liability at which time he drops them like a hot potato. He says things in private that he later repudiates in public. The Democrats would have been better off nominating Hillary as their presidential candidate. She's principled, strong, knowledgeable, and definitely not a jellyfish.
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Political Country Club
The Senate or Parliament is a place where card game is played.
Here, an issue which is not profitable for the players becomes a dead issue. Like in the Cartoon: The poor Little fellow sitting on the President's lap is a Mega Insurance Company. And the real poor fellows become non-issue here. On the other hand, if it turns out to be a sensation, everybody tries to take credit for the policy even though they opposed it initially! In this game, you think of something, now... watch the other players, then, you say something else, watch some more for public reaction, do something different from what you said. Ah, before entering the clubhouse, leave your ideology at the doorstep, along with your umbrella . And murmur Shakespeare before standing up to speak: "Fair is foul, and foul is fair, Hover through fog and filthy air."
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There are times when the game of politics is like a Drama.
The Big figures are chosen as actors and the world population are the gullible audience. Generally, in a Drama, there is a prewritten script, also there is much prompting and the actors know exactly who is acting which part and the next move written in the script. The only party taken by surprise is the audience!
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And after some of these days in parliament one might also say "So foul and fair a day I have not seen." (with apologies to Shakespeare) Last edited by ila; 07-11-2008 at 06:44 PM. |
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Ila,
Dont call 'Bama a bad actor, even before he steps on the stage. Give the kid a fair chance.
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Always refreshing to read your posts. Keep it up. and hard...
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Which part is he playing now: "An infant - mewling and puking in the nurse's arms Whining school-boy â€" with his satchel And shining morning face, creeping like snail The lover â€" sighing like furnace A soldier â€" full of strange oaths The justice â€" in fair round belly with good capon lined. With eyes severe and beard of formal cut full of wise saws and modern instances Sixth age â€" shifts into the lean and slipper'd pantaloon with spectacles on nose and pouch on side his youthful hose, well saved, a world too wide for his shrunk shank; and his big manly voice turning again toward childish treble, pipes and whistles in his sound Last scene of all â€" that ends this strange eventful history is second childishness and mere oblivion, sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything" |
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Ok chumps! POST YOUR SCORES!
http://www.politicalcompass.org/ Economic Left/Right: -8.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.08 |
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Mock Debate
Repub: We raise an Agendaaaaaaaah! "coughs"
Demo: We second it; with a twist Nader: I debate and holler (or someone similar) And the tune plays on forever. Traaa La La La La .... Traaa La La La La .... Traaa La La La La ....
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Father and son: comparison
Bussie-baby: Ah, Presidency: sweet days, sour days and bitter days.
Journalist: Dont forget, its not a permanent job, its a temporary term only. Bussie-baby: The public, which is always forgetful and forgiving... sometimes grow an elephant's memory! And Total Recall every Damn Thing! Journalist: How about job-satisfaction, sir? Job sucks? Bussie-baby: Grrrr...
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Hmmmmmm......where would men stand in your society?
Hopefully its in a good position. (pun intended). As far as my political position or beliefs. I don't trust any politician regardless of any party affiliation, and feel they are all liars, only wanting to fulfill their own agendas that benefit them and not their constituents. I prefer a hardliner approach, just short of a dictatorship. The people still need to rule. Quote:
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"PREACHER OF THE POWER OF TRANSSEXUAL LOVING PASSIONATELY BACKS OBAMA" Shock horror! |
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A headline like that would surely grow legs and go for a long time (not to mention what the tabloids could do with this headline). Poor Hank (Obama's strongest proponent) may become a liability to Obama.
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I consider myself a left-liberal. US-citizens may think this is sayin' the same thing twice, but here in Germany, the "liberal" party is anything but left. Other's from left partys are anything but liberal, some even wanting Stalinism back. I believe that there is enough fortune for everybody, it just has to be properly shared.
A few years back, I met this homeless guy who asked me for a few Euro-Cents to complete his one Euro-Dollar he needed to buy himself a coffee. I just felt so damned sad, that in a rich society like Germany, there are people who even have to ask for so little. |
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.13 That makes me Authoritarian Right. |
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Somewhere between the Dalai Lama and Nelson Mandela. Illustrious company, I'm honoured.
However, since I'm not in the US I can't vote there. I preferred Obama (and I'm happy that most of you did too). I'm glad we have a more pluriform political system here in Holland.
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I'm not as up on politics as I should be, BUT I'm anti-illegal immigration (WAY too many undocumented ppl coming from our southern border now. every nation has such laws for a reason), pro gay rights, pro state's rights, pro-guns/militia and right to self defense, pro separation of church and state, anti-affirmative action and racebaiting/white guilt politics, anti-smoking in public building bans, anti-sexism (from BOTH sides), anti- PC/pro freedom of speech, pro environment, anti-war except as a last resort, pro death penalty (a security blanket, so optimistic attitudes about rehab won't let undeserving ppl out of LIFE sentences to repeat the same crimes), more affordable education, decriminalization of hemp and prostitution, and I'm for more affordable health care but I'm not sure if putting it on taxes is a positive alternative.
I'm not sure what I am. I'd probably have more of an idea if I read up more. |
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It is backwards.
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A 2 party system hinges on 50-50 topics like abortion and gun control, and from the electoral map of the last election it looks like the 50-50 cut is urban-country.
Proposition 8 in California....the blacks voted against gays! Gov Arnold said he was always in favor of two people in love. One thing is for sure, presidential elections make for great TV. You can't write this stuff. |
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My personal politics are contradictory.
I frequently engage in "homosexual acts", but do not support gay marriage. I have a strong respect for and belief in God, even though some of His followers say I'll burn in hell for whom I chose to have sex with. I am an aggresive militrist, but question commiting troops for police actions; expressly if there is no international danger or if there is nothing to gain by such deployments. If two countries or factions or ethnic groups want to go to war, then let them. Just as long asthey do not threaten my Country's interests and security or that of our allies. I am a passionate gun owner. To quote Mr. Heston, "You can take my guns when you pry them out of my cold, dead hands." However I recognize that some weapons should stay illegal, also some people should not have firearms. I support the first ammendment, but some people take it much too far. It's one thing to disagree with the government, but one should not cross the line into sedition or treason. But, if the government becomes destructive to its purpose, it needs to be abolished then reformed. As Caesar said, "I love treason but hate a trator." I don't support abortion, but do support the death peanality. Overall, I'd say I'm a conservative that has some 'left leanings'. |
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Admitting that some are "less able" means that they do not have equal opportunity. Pick an ethos. Socialism in practice has proven that attempting to give everyone the same standard of living lowers everyone's standard of living. Of course, if we're talking about the US, capitalism has been totally perverted and the middle class is disappearing. Nothing better exemplifies this than the countless companies that go bankrupt losing the jobs and pensions of all the workers while the CEOs are given millions for no reason. Quote:
They sure are. You're a self-loathing homophobic homosexual. It's probably your parents' fault for instilling you with a bunch of religious guilt. I'm a gun owner, too. I have a concealed carry permit to deal with guys like you who would probably like to fuck me then chain me to the bumper of their pickup. Seriously, if you engage in gay sex but are against gay marriage, just go ahead and kill yourself. Or at least get sterilized. It'd be nice if we didn't have to worry about people like you continuing the cycle of abuse and cranking out kids to indoctrinate with your BS. I also hate people who are against abortion but don't want to do anything to help all the unwanted kids who just end up filling the prisons. |
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Democracy........yes, started off really well until you notice that it favours the top few percent of the population.
It's not the best political system only the best of what is currently available. Anyone getting into the position of president or prime minster gets there by the greatness of their campaign and that is paid for by those that will take their profit later on. |
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Here here! CWP is what I'm talkin about! There are too many crazies in South Carolina who would just assume beat you down if they knew too much about your private life. Course, I guess you'll find that anywhere. I dunno how many people get beaten to death while carrying heat
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