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Old 06-10-2011
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I place this question on other tread, but maybe it is better to place it here. I know the question is bitter and that people could feel offended, but I think it is not wise to ignore that kind of questions.

On some internet sites I see, that one of transexuals is claimed to be "feminine gay male" and that she is not MtF transexuals and that breast implants are not prove that someone is Tgirl, because "you could also have implants and you are still male". I don't think we must worry about some individuals on internet who hate transexuals. The question here is, where are borders here, because that kind of terms could be very flexible and borders are invisible.

I know transexuals for a long time fight a battle to get legal status, all rights, help and support from state and society, which they deserve and which belong to them. I think society slowly become more open for transexuals although there is still a long road to go. Here could terms, like this one, become a real trap and could make a serious existential problems to individuals. When all right and support to transexuals are recognized, than wrong individuals in institutions to help and support them, could strip transexuals of all rights and support with not recognizing them as transexual, but classifying them as "feminine gay males". I think it would be smart to discus and to clear borders here, that that kind of anomalies could not happened.
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I place this question on other tread, but maybe it is better to place it here. I know the question is bitter and that people could feel offended, but I think it is not wise to ignore that kind of questions.

On some internet sites I see, that one of transexuals is claimed to be "feminine gay male" and that she is not MtF transexuals and that breast implants are not prove that someone is Tgirl, because "you could also have implants and you are still male". I don't think we must worry about some individuals on internet who hate transexuals. The question here is, where are borders here, because that kind of terms could be very flexible and borders are invisible.

I know transexuals for a long time fight a battle to get legal status, all rights, help and support from state and society, which they deserve and which belong to them. I think society slowly become more open for transexuals although there is still a long road to go. Here could terms, like this one, become a real trap and could make a serious existential problems to individuals. When all right and support to transexuals are recognized, than wrong individuals in institutions to help and support them, could strip transexuals of all rights and support with not recognizing them as transexual, but classifying them as "feminine gay males". I think it would be smart to discus and to clear borders here, that that kind of anomalies could not happened.
I must wonder aloud what the real motivation for this discussion could be? After all, the simple solution to a problem of "rights and support" and the possible recognition of a class of people or the stripping of those "rights and support" is very simple: HAVE NO "BORDERS," period!

Why must we discuss whether a human being is "in fact," self-identifies as, or is characterized by others as a "feminine gay male" or a "transsexual" or "whatever"? A simple study of human history reveals that labels such as these never exist to liberate people, but to confine them. The solution is to transform the world so that there are no such differences, except in the way each of us choose to portray ourself to others.

Yes, the OP is correct, there is a "trap" here. Unfortunately, the OP has both fallen into the trap and perpetuated the trap by resetting the trap with his post. I do not think it is his intent, but there you have it ... in my opinion.
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I must wonder aloud what the real motivation for this discussion could be? After all, the simple solution to a problem of "rights and support" and the possible recognition of a class of people or the stripping of those "rights and support" is very simple: HAVE NO "BORDERS," period!

Why must we discuss whether a human being is "in fact," self-identifies as, or is characterized by others as a "feminine gay male" or a "transsexual" or "whatever"? A simple study of human history reveals that labels such as these never exist to liberate people, but to confine them. The solution is to transform the world so that there are no such differences, except in the way each of us choose to portray ourself to others.

Yes, the OP is correct, there is a "trap" here. Unfortunately, the OP has both fallen into the trap and perpetuated the trap by resetting the trap with his post. I do not think it is his intent, but there you have it ... in my opinion.
I completely agree, why should we care about labels?
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This sort of discussion is awkward at best and insulting and demeaning at worst. I don?t post on here as much as I used to but my feelings should be pretty obvious to anyone that knows me. I agree with smc that we should dispense with labels and learn to accept each other as unique individuals?that includes letting others determine for themselves how they choose to identify.
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Thank you for your answers and I apology if I offend anyone. I think you are correct, that it is not worth to care about borders and labels and all those different terms although I'm still confused what is right and what is wrong. But I'm sure that time will tell what is correct.
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Totally spot on.

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"feminine gay males"
Transsexuality is internal gender identity-how you see yourself, inside.
gay is sexual identity- who you want to swap body fluids with.

In legal definitions round the world, "feminine gay males" would strip ts women of appropriate health care, legal status and legal rights.

On a trans porn site, however, it makes no impact, and you can call us long legged ducks for all the impact it would have in the real world.
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Oh you mean bisexual.....
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