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What happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object?
I wonder if there is any physicist among us that can explain this paradox to me!
From what I can understand it takes into account that the universe is finite, and that as such an immovable force cannot exist, since it would require an infinite inertia, and therefore infinite mass. Such huge weight would make the object collapse under its own weight. Furthermore, the immovable force cannot exist with an unstoppable force, given the fact that both forces are indestructible! These theories have even challenged the concept of omnipotence. I know that our universe is moving from scientific experiments, with stars appearing different over a millennia, and with some disappearing altogether. What I have problems with, is understanding how the universe can be finite, if the law of conservation of energy states that energy cannot be created nor destroyed, that it merely changes from one form to another. I have heard and read about Big Crunch and Bing Bang theories, and find them interesting, but fail to understand how the university could collapse under it's own weight, and the restart! Just hoping someone is willing to discuss about this...
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This is a very interesting question you have, I wish I could actually discuss it in further detail but unfortunately I would be talking about things that I have no real rational understanding of. I would be very interested to hear what someone has to say about this though
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Simple...
God divides by zero, and a black hole is created! |
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Thank you everyone for your contributions! I am still waiting for more inputs into this problem, and yet another one arises...
This simple realisation of yours has me both baffled and amused. Allow me to explain... Many people talk about the eternal nature of man, the soul! Some people really believe in the afterlife, but picture what nothingness must really feel like! Go into a perfect silent room, and for a moment close your eyes and blank out your mind, and try to figure out what I mean. The biggest problem there would be self-awareness, since you would not know you are in this state. Perhaps we existed in this state even before we were born! Being self aware and stuck in nothingness is a hellish nightmare, unless you can interact. Since energy cannot be created nor destroyed, we were all there in the beginning albeit unaware, hence we are all part of this initial driving force, which means our bodies are not ours, but rather part of this initial energy. If you believe in God, and that He created man would I be going too far to theorise that if we are made from parts of God's energy that we are Him, just as you are your parents through genetics? You can't divide something by nothing, because the answer is unattainable, and for this very reason the number zero always fascinates me! What I came to realise is that life comes with a lot of zeros, there are a lot of those good for nothing days, where you think you've done nothing, or learnt nothing, but is it really so? Perhaps the nothing really is something, after all zero is not a number for nothing obviously. It's funny we always start counting by what we have, which is always 1 or greater. Now to throw people off, you could just say that you have "zero" options, since to a human mind that should sound positive, because zero is neither positive nor negative, and you didn't state "not having", but I digress... Any number divided by itself is one (with the exception of zero), Infinity is not a number, but if it were, it would be the largest number, while zero would be the smallest number. I started thinking of Alpha and Omega, and assumed that zero could also be infinity, since infinity divided by infinity is also not equal to one, but then there are different types of infinity! God(infinity) divided by zero(infinity) = black hole(infinity)?
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Our universe is most likely a "white hole", which is the other end of a black hole. So if you've ever wanted to know what it looks like inside a black hole, just look around.
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Edward, you mentioned Nothingness. Some people wonder how the universe could have come from nothing? That is an assumption - one that I believe, otherwise the implication is that there was always something, and that doesn't make sense to me. On the other hand, I have no idea how something could come from nothing either.
My concept of nothing is this: Not just empty space, but no space. Space is something. It's a place where objects can move and exist. I'm talking about no space at all. And space isn't just space, it's space-time. So no time either. Nothingness is devoid of anything that can be described or labeled. There are many types of possible universes, and their "signature" is their number and types of dimensions. Our universe has 3 spatial dimensions that we are familiar with, one time dimension, and several other dimensions that are very small and undetectable. Universes can have other configurations and even multiple time dimensions. Nothingness would have zero dimensions. So with that said I am really baffled at how the universe could arise from Nothingess. But at the same time it would be baffling how there could always be something. Anytime there is something, you would ask where did it come from? Why is it there? That's what I ask about God. If there is a God, where did he come from? That a supernatural all powerful all intelligent omniscient being would come from nothing seems even more bizarre than a natural physical universe somehow arising. Yet this is what most people believe.
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Dark energy
Dark energy has thrown a monkey wrench into the whole idea of big bangs, time and space time. We now discover that something (dark energy) is causing the universe to accelerate its expansion (the big bank was based on a collapsing universe). So dark energy causes the universe to accelerate because the particles of dark energy repel each other? Supposedly dark energy is much more abundant in the universe than observable energy (mass). Now scientists are claiming that light coming from the center of our galaxy is produced by dark energy bumping into each other. It's all very confusing. I think I will go back to thinking about sex.
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You're right about dark energy throwing a monkey wrench in things. But that's good though. When we find something like that unexpected it seems like a setback, but it is most always followed by several advances in physics.
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weird science
Where'd u cum w/the idea that the universe IS finite ? The universe is constantly expanding,,, ipso facto,,, it is not finite. As for the rest,,, as far as I know,, we, do not know if there is/are any 'forces' which can not be stopped. The 'law' goes: an object in motion will stay in motion, unless or until it is met by an opposing object,, of =mass, and velocity. This is called 'collision',, lol. As far as we know of/about the nature of our universe,,,, the more we know, (learn) the more we realize how much,,, wayyyyy much,,, more,,, we don't know.
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This sentiment has been used many times before, but it completely discounts the progress we've made.
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Your reasoning doesn't make sense to me. Do you care to further explain this concept?
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Omg
WTF too,,, I gots to ask,,, who has taken even 1 physics class ?? How's about a class in understanding written english ? Duhhhhhh...
OK,. so then ,, if our universe is finite,,, please tell me where the 'outer limits' be,, as in where does it end ?? Do you have even the most remote clue,,, ???? Always,, continuously expanding,,, yes that doesn't necessarily mean our universe is infiite,, but by simple definition of the word 'finite' 'to have limited size, scope,,, dimmension,, etc etc etc,,, it sure as shit means it is NOT finite. The more we learn the more we know,, how lil we do know,, is a positive statement,, not 'sentiment' Anyway,,, throw bricks if u must,, but maybe better,,, get an education,, It's not what people don't know, it's what they think they know,, that's ALL WRONG |
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It's the old rate times time = distance formula... r*t=d If r & t are both finite, how can d be infinite? Or were you asking something else? It is the density of the universe that allows us to determine if it's infinite or not, and it seems to be. Quote:
I have taken a bit more than 1 physics class. If you're interested in this stuff, I'd be happy to fill you in. Simply saying that finite rate times finite time = finite distance does not account to throwing bricks. We're just chatting here.
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Now Tracy, i just don't see why (or rather, how) something inanimate would not have ?always been there?... Simply because minerals, as opposed to animals and vegetals, have no life in them!! I suppose a kind of superior being must have provided at least the "spark" that allowed forms of life to develop on this planet (and possibly elsewhere), but where the heck does that force come from? A sort of intelligent form of energy that once was present in our solar system?? Also, i've noted time is considered as a "dimension"... but it seems to me that the universe doesn't give a shit about time! Like everything inanimate, the universe simply exists, that's all... Nobody created it... To me, time matters only to what's alive... I don't think it deserves all the hype it gets ______ Dennis. Last edited by mabedzaqueen; 08-20-2012 at 09:28 PM. Reason: typo |
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As for how inanimate matter becomes alive, this is something that happens over billions of years. It has been observed that asteroids do contain organic molecules and amino acids. It has also been demonstrated in the lab that simulate certain types of meteorite strikes (i.e. glancing blows) that these amino acids do survive impact. It has also been demonstrated that these molecules can combine into more complex amino acids during impact. There's all kinds of events that happen to alter organic compounds. Some of these after happening many times eventually produce interesting results. Some of those even create cycles between compounds that end up reproducing themselves. Over billions of years these become complex enough that you'd call it life. Life is made up of the same stuff that inanimate matter is made up of. Quote:
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Dark energy
Basically, we are dealing with two realities. The reality that we can see and measure, the visible universe. The other reality is dark energy that we cannot see but we can indirectly measure. Until we develop ways to measure and observe the dark energy, which is the predominate energy in the universe, we will be unable to fully understand what is going on. Possibly the visible universe is nothing more than foam resting on top of a sea of dark energy.
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I see and I read all with much satisfaction!
Clearly, each one is entitled to their own point of view and scientific theories to back them, and I shall not rule any of them out, at least not until the secret is revealed! Some very interesting explanations have been put forth indeed. Quote:
...but, alas, herein lies my biggest question/confusion: Please explain what the universe is expanding on? "Surely even the greatest painter needs a canvas in which to draw his masterpiece!" Or is there something beyond the universe that we cannot measure, and thus cannot see? Perhaps in a different plane or dimension? Is this "canvas" infinite? If it is not the universe will come to a halt... Furthermore if our universe resembles a white hole, would it not further validate the theory of "multi-verses"? "To every action there's an equal and opposite reaction" Whatever comes in, must come out, hence theoretically it should be possible for the rip in the very fabric of space itself to be made to transfer bodies in between "multi-verses", or is that reserved only to science-fiction? Just food for thought!
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It has been explained though in simpler terms. Imagine a balloon expanding. There's dots on the balloon and as it's expanding they're moving apart from eachother - like galaxies do as the universe is expanding. The surface of the balloon is a curved 2D surface. Replace that 2D surface with a 3D surface on a 4 dimensional sphere (which we can't imagine) and you get an idea what's going on. Quote:
Or there are countless universes where most of them do collapse within a millisecond or are completely uninhabitable for whatever reason. But within those countless universes there may be one or two like ours that can support life. And that life would be marveling at how "fine-tuned" that universe is for them. Well if it wasn't suitable for life, there would be no life to say it's suitable for life. Quote:
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There's a new theory being talked about that suggests that instead of a big bang, the beginning of the universe may have been something more like water freezing into ice. The ice in this case would be spacetime. So there may have been some kind of phase change from something fluid and superhot before that cooled and crystalized into a universe with spacetime. They also say that like matter, space is also made up of extremely small building blocks and is quantized. I think this is pretty intriguing. They have some work to do on it though, including showing that the properties of general relativity arise from their initial principles. The article also talks about other observations that can be made to prove their theory.
http://www.science20.com/news_articl...ig_chill-93154
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The higgs boson is where mass comes from. Mass and its associated gravitational field is what slows down the expansion of the universe. So far, gravity is well understood and no observations have called into question our understanding of gravity yet.
The acceleration of the expansion of the universe is new, and that's what they're saying is caused by dark energy. So that's something else. Dark energy is something that seems to produce more space.
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Hell freezes over, cows fly to the moon and on some occasions I might get laid
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