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Here are a couple articles abut you all.

http://www.examiner.com/x-18935-Phoe...ual-Revolution

http://www.xbiz.com/articles/99429/transsexual

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Here is an excerpt from the above site. Trannys are becoming the rage and we know why don't we?

But it's the "heterosexual male" descriptor that continues to baffle many observers - or so they claim. Might they, too, be harboring a " trans-secret?" Gallon thinks they might be: "The majority of customers [who purchase transsexual porn] are straight men." In fact, Gallon says, "[transsexual content generates] practically no response in the gay market at all. I don't even bother to promote it to the gay market, because it would be a waste of money." Not only are most of his customers heterosexual men, Gallon says, "some are movie stars, rock stars and sports figures" - guys most would consider "heterosexual role models."
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As a long time collector of SM internet Porn, I am very aware of the explosion in this area of interest. When I first started collecting pics off the internet you would be lucky to find any new pics in an hour. What you did find would be smallish pics of 10-40 KB and many of these were crappy stills from movies. Now there is so much on the web that I can't begin to keep up with it, especially the asian ladyboys. And the videos! It is now possible to download full screen size movies. In the old days the best you could get were little quarter screen movies which usuall were even grainy at that size.

Seems like I came across some research that indicated about 50% of all guys had engaged in CD behavior at one time or another. And it would seem likely to me that that group would be more likely to be interested in SMs. So I can't say I am surprised at all by the growth in this aspect of online porn. After all, I've been here for most if not nearly all of it.
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Yes, I have been watching the explosion of shemale sites recently. The interest is exploding! I must admit, going out and finding a live tranny is very tempting. So far it is just a fantasy. Years ago I "experienced" some girls at the Mustang Ranch Nev. I found the experience exciting but not very satisfying. It was obvious the girls were just doing their job, no emotion. With a tranny, if she has an erection, that at least indicates some sexual excitement and that's is the real turn on, to know that she wants sex too. To me satisfying her sexual needs would be very desirable and very exciting. Oh well dream on.
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It was this part that stood out to me, from the second link:

"Some of it crosses over into the anal niche. That's the only way transsexuals can copulate. Another crossover is the strap-on dildo websites. Over the last few years, countless websites have opened that feature women with strap-on dildos having sex with men," Gallon told XBIZ. "That's only a small step away from seeing a shemale having sex with a man."

"The straight audience has seen a lot of stuff, and I think they're just looking for something a bit kinkier and different. A lot of them get turned on to it, and stay with it. Most of the straight audience considers it just a fantasy. They're not generally looking for a live experience. They don't want to be caught with a transsexual, so it's just a fantasy - almost like forbidden fruit. They can look, but they can't touch," Gallon said.

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It was this part that stood out to me, from the second link:

"Some of it crosses over into the anal niche. That's the only way transsexuals can copulate. Another crossover is the strap-on dildo websites. Over the last few years, countless websites have opened that feature women with strap-on dildos having sex with men," Gallon told XBIZ. "That's only a small step away from seeing a shemale having sex with a man."

"The straight audience has seen a lot of stuff, and I think they're just looking for something a bit kinkier and different. A lot of them get turned on to it, and stay with it. Most of the straight audience considers it just a fantasy. They're not generally looking for a live experience. They don't want to be caught with a transsexual, so it's just a fantasy - almost like forbidden fruit. They can look, but they can't touch," Gallon said.

It squares with my personal observations about guys.
I suppose fantasies about trannys are similar to fantasies about genetic females. We admire the beauty and think about the sex. Ideally, what if we all had dual sex like futanaries? The duality would disappear and we could all love each other equally. Just a dream.
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Good article thanks for posting, I knew lots of guys watch all kinds of porn but didnt know specifically trans porn was booming like it is.
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I figured out what about the articles I didn't like. I'm big on reality, so even when reality slaps me in the face I need to take it in stride. It is the reality of the following:

1) My body is a fetish
2) The vastest majority of guys who fetishize bodies like mine are also ashamed of that
3) I am often viewed as a cock with a girl attached
4) Even guys who are surrounded by the hottest TGs in the world (Grooby) get married to cis women to settle down (not exactly sure why that bugs me but it does)
5) Liking bodies like mine is a kink, like a spanking thing or bondage

None of these things is surprising obviously. What bugs me is how this is just "how it is". The reality that, not only have I been correct, but this is just accepted as perfectly understandable (unless I missed something there) and passes without comment or further, deeper discussion.

The articles (to me) read "Trannys are weird kinks for het guys who are far to ashamed to admit it, but they are legion. It's good to produce tranny porn."

I'm totally open to different observations on this or pointing out how/why/where I'm getting stuff wrong.
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Bionca, I'm sorry to say that you are probably right. For most guys, a body like yours is a fetish, one they are ashamed of, and one they might only use as a kink. That in and of itself is sad (the "ashamed" part), but what is sadder is when the shittiness of such guys makes gurls like you feel bad. I, for one, have strived to live a life in which I try really hard to never be ashamed of any feelings I have, indeed to embrace them, unless they hurt others. Men like those you mention ought to be the ones suffering from serious self-esteem problems, not the people they hurt with their ill feelings.
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Here are a couple articles abut you all.

http://www.examiner.com/x-18935-Phoe...ual-Revolution

http://www.xbiz.com/articles/99429/transsexual

I'm not sure what to think about these.
It seems to me that both of these references started out to be a serious article, but rather quickly they turned into a flippant, irrelevant commentary on personal opinions.

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The first thing that bothers me about the first reference is the title of the article. A love of transsexual women is not a secret for all of us. I don’t go around shouting to the world that I have an attraction to transsexual women, the same as I don’t go around shouting to the world that I have an attraction to natal women. I do however, talk about the transsexual women to my friends and co-workers and if anyone ever asks me if I have an attraction to transsexual women I will say, without hesitation, that I do. I will even say that I have a very deep attraction to some transsexual women and that I would willingly enter into a LTR with a transsexual woman which would even include marriage with the right woman.


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transsexual “admirers,” as they’re called
Here we go with the labels. It would seem to me that the author, of the article, has come up her own term. I have never called myself a transsexual admirer; the same as I’ve never called myself a natal woman admirer. I don’t see any need to try to pin that label on me or anyone else that is attracted to transwomen.

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"The straight audience has seen a lot of stuff, and I think they're just looking for something a bit kinkier and different. A lot of them get turned on to it, and stay with it. Most of the straight audience considers it just a fantasy. They're not generally looking for a live experience. They don't want to be caught with a transsexual, so it's just a fantasy — almost like forbidden fruit. They can look, but they can't touch," Gallon said.
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I figured out what about the articles I didn't like. I'm big on reality, so even when reality slaps me in the face I need to take it in stride. It is the reality of the following:

1) My body is a fetish
2) The vastest majority of guys who fetishize bodies like mine are also ashamed of that
3) I am often viewed as a cock with a girl attached
4) Even guys who are surrounded by the hottest TGs in the world (Grooby) get married to cis women to settle down (not exactly sure why that bugs me but it does)
5) Liking bodies like mine is a kink, like a spanking thing or bondage

None of these things is surprising obviously. What bugs me is how this is just "how it is". The reality that, not only have I been correct, but this is just accepted as perfectly understandable (unless I missed something there) and passes without comment or further, deeper discussion.

The articles (to me) read "Trannys are weird kinks for het guys who are far to ashamed to admit it, but they are legion. It's good to produce tranny porn."

I'm totally open to different observations on this or pointing out how/why/where I'm getting stuff wrong.
Bionca, you are more than partially correct, except that what has been said in both references (articles) doesn’t apply to everyone. I would like to reply to your post point by point:

1. Transwomen are definitely not a fetish to me. I am genuinely attracted to transwomen. I don’t know why, I just know that I am. Nobody has ever said to me that I have a fetish for natal women nor has anyone ever asked me why I am attracted to natal women; I just am. I do know that I am more attracted to transwomen than I am to natal women and I do know that it is not a fetish, but genuine feelings.

2. I am not ashamed to say that I am attracted to transwomen. Nor am I ashamed of how transwomen look.

3. I view transwomen as women. I think of transwomen as being female through and through. I rarely think of anatomy. Yes, I will notice genitalia but that is not my focus. My focus is the person as a whole.

4. I’m sorry, Bionca but I have no answer for that and I do not understand why anyone who would be surrounded with transwomen would rather marry a natal woman.. I am not surrounded by transwomen, but there are lots of natal women where I am. Still I would rather marry and settle down with a transwoman.

5. Liking transwomen is not a kink for me. It is a deep feeling. I can only think of transwoman as a whole person.
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4) Even guys who are surrounded by the hottest TGs in the world (Grooby) get married to cis women to settle down (not exactly sure why that bugs me but it does)
I think I understand why that would bother you. The guys who are surrounded by the most gorgeous T girls don't have a problem having sex with them and making money off of them yet they still won't consider a relationship, is insulting.

As if shes good to fool around with but not to settle down with even though they are still beautiful people.
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I think I understand why that would bother you. The guys who are surrounded by the most gorgeous T girls don't have a problem having sex with them and making money off of them yet they still won't consider a relationship, is insulting.

As if shes good to fool around with but not to settle down with even though they are still beautiful people.
I actually have no business voicing my trouble with another person's relationship. It's none of my business who he married and why. Projecting my own insecurities on another's relationship isn't cool or fair.
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One thing that does bug me about the articles is that no trans women were actually interviewed about this.

It also makes it seem that things have actually gotten better for trans women because of this new attention. From a living the life perspective, "Tranny cumsluts 12" does nothing to improve my life. As long as the people watching it turn around and remain silent when legislation to provide equal treatment for trans women in employment,housing, and accommodation is allowed to degenerate into a discussion of the fears of cis women in the bathroom.

Also from another personal perspective, I have no investment in maintaining a man's identity as heterosexual. Getting freaked out and seeking validation of one's hetero-ness implies that something is wrong or bad about being perceived as gay. That is something the articles went way way way out of their way to assure, rather than address the underlying problem of anti-gay bias.
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Thank you ila. I have had feelings for transwomen for quite a while and joined this forum in hopes of better understanding my own sexuality. Your post is the best and most helpful one I have read yet.

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1. Transwomen are definitely not a fetish to me. I am genuinely attracted to transwomen. I don't know why, I just know that I am. Nobody has ever said to me that I have a fetish for natal women nor has anyone ever asked me why I am attracted to natal women; I just am. I do know that I am more attracted to transwomen than I am to natal women and I do know that it is not a fetish, but genuine feelings.

2. I am not ashamed to say that I am attracted to transwomen. Nor am I ashamed of how transwomen look.

3. I view transwomen as women. I think of transwomen as being female through and through. I rarely think of anatomy. Yes, I will notice genitalia but that is not my focus. My focus is the person as a whole.

4. I'm sorry, Bionca but I have no answer for that and I do not understand why anyone who would be surrounded with transwomen would rather marry a natal woman.. I am not surrounded by transwomen, but there are lots of natal women where I am. Still I would rather marry and settle down with a transwoman.

5. Liking transwomen is not a kink for me. It is a deep feeling. I can only think of transwoman as a whole person.
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for me my interest in transsexuals has an continues to evolve. i love women, i have urges for women. i love transsexuals too. i find myself masterbating to both kinds of porn every day. i havent figured out how to arrange these things in my life. do i have 2 partners? do i have to friends with benefits? these are things myself as a male are pondering. i have dated transsexuals but found myself missing women. and vice versa. it seems no matter what i do i seem to need both. as far as not talkin to other men about this i dont because they arent mature enough or secure about it to not blow it out of proportion. i accept who i am and i know certain people are open minded and accepting enough to handle things that are not normal to their perceptions.
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Reading other people’s responses to “If U Like Shemales R U Gay?” and other related threads while mulling over the whole “gay/straight” question has again led me back to the conclusion that there can be no simple answer. It has also reinforced the point I made in an earlier post “that it doesn’t matter anyway.” Human sexuality cannot be easily categorized and has in fact been shown to fall on a continuum (Kinsey et. al.). It is interesting to read in the replies the variation of what makes one attracted to transwomen. For many, it seems to be the presence of a penis on a female form, others seem attracted to transwomen as a “fetish.” Still others seem to feel it is a “naughty” diversion and perhaps a way to explore sex with a male without feeling “guilty.” A few consider themselves “gay” or “bi.” Most seem to accept their feelings although they are somewhat confused regarding their own orientation--much as I first was. I can’t speak for any of these individuals, nor will I pass judgment on anyone for their views or what “turns them on.” However I must say I disagree absolutely with those who view transwomen as simply a “fetish” or feel guilt or shame because they are sexually attracted to someone with a penis.

Speaking entirely for myself, I still consider my own sexual orientation to be “straight.” I have always admired beautiful women and for almost 15 years was married to one. I have many male friends and have never been attracted sexually to any of them. I have played organized sports throughout high-school and college and what I saw in the locker room never did anything for me. I also exercise regularly and from my senior year of high-school through college worked summers as a trainer at a local gym. Currently one of my best friends on the faculty where I teach is gay.

As for my own feelings regarding transwomen… I will use my three favorite t-girls as examples, if I may. I guess I would have to say that when I look at someone like Kelly Shore, Camila Saenz, or Yeidi Collins, I see a very beautiful and incredibly sexually attractive woman. These feelings are quite similar to what I would feel when meeting someone in real-life (such as when my wife and I first met) or seeing someone “hot” on TV or in a magazine (Jennifer Aniston comes to mind). Pretty “normal” right? Even “straight”?

So what is the “issue” regarding transwomen that makes one’s own feelings difficult to accept? After all in everyday life, most of us don’t go walking around naked (at least not where I live!) so that when we meet somebody we like, we are initially attracted to “external” characteristics such as a cute smile, nice hair, pretty eyes, great legs, etc. We can’t see what’s down “there” anyway--at least typically not on the first date! After we start dating (with or without sexual intimacy) and get to know somebody better we either discover things in common and begin to develop a relationship, or we go our separate ways. Therefore the “issue” we struggle with when it comes to transwomen must be the “penis thing.”

Maybe I should turn this around. I once met a girl that had been on “American Gladiators.” She seemed like a very nice person but she had a build like mine. Probably much better actually! It didn’t matter that she had a vagina. She seemed more like my "workout buddy." We talked about workout routines and supplements and “Arnold” and “Ronnie Coleman” and stuff like that. As an athlete, I have a tremendous amount of respect for anyone who works out and is in that kind of shape but unlike with most women I have met--forgive me for being facetious--the first thing on my mind was wondering how much she could “bench.”

I can’t really explain my own feelings for transwomen except that I find myself attracted to Kelly or Camila or Yeidi (and many other t-girls) for exactly the same reasons I would be attracted to any other beautiful woman. I consider the fact that they happen to have a penis to not make any difference--it is a part of who they are. In my own personal life, since my divorce, I continue to date frequently (all “g-girls” as far as I know). As for really meeting a transwoman and having a true relationship with her, I guess it would (surprise!) depend on the person. As for my own feelings… I’m OK with them. As for the answer to the “gay/straight” question… I’ll leave that to the Psychologists to figure out. As for who I go to bed with… That’s nobody else’s F****** business!

One thing has really bothered me in reading through some (not all) of the posts: I gather an underlying sense that a few here believe there is something shameful in being attracted to transwomen. Even the phrase “admirer” troubles me somewhat--it sounds kind of like “loser living in his parent’s basement” or “stalker” or worse. Therefore, I decided to include some personal information about myself in my profile because I don’t think “admiring” someone as beautiful as say, Kelly Shore, is anything to be ashamed of. Yes, that’s really me (sorry to disappoint you, you were expecting Hugh Jackman?), and I really do ride a Harley (I own a 2004 Corvette too--no sexual symbolism there!), and I teach at a major university. And yes, I really did meet a president (Clinton). And, finally, yes I HATE flying on commuter planes! It would be pretty hard to “out” me (unless one of my colleagues or students is lurking on this forum--you know who you are!) based on what I have revealed--and frankly I’m not too worried. We are considered pretty “liberal” among institutions of higher education--seriously, my gay colleague routinely brings his partner to our campus events--I doubt it would destroy “higher ed as we know it” if my partner someday happens to be a t-girl. The way I see it--if a school like ours cannot tolerate diverse views and lifestyles--the future of our society is in real trouble!

Hope this post (if anybody reads it) will help others in understanding their own sexuality--and to quit worrying about “labels.” Also I am grateful to some of the people on this forum for their thoughtful (and sometimes thought provoking) posts. Particularly, ila, Jenae, and Bionca. Thanks for helping me to better know myself.

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I agree. Well put, Ila.
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I hope my penchant for silliness didn’t ruin what was meant to be a sincere account of my feelings and growth as a person. It has landed me in “hot water” before. As our Dean often says to me when we have personal “conferences”: “What did you do THIS time?”

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Hi there.

After reading the articles, the first is more of an editorial, the journalist's perceptions, not an indept, journalistic investigative report, and only reflects her take on the subject through the eyes of another, not the best source of info.

The second was an interview with the owner of Grooby productions and he gave his take on the internet and dvd tgirl porn, these are his views and experiences with tgirl porn on the internet.

Both these articles are very superficial and based on feelings and perceptions rather than hard facts and statistics, so in the end it is mostly speculation.

Bionca:

1) My body is a fetish
2) The vastest majority of guys who fetishize bodies like mine are also ashamed of that
3) I am often viewed as a cock with a girl attached
4) Even guys who are surrounded by the hottest TGs in the world (Grooby) get married to cis women to settle down (not exactly sure why that bugs me but it does)
5) Liking bodies like mine is a kink, like a spanking thing or bondage



1) Your body is not a fetish, some men have a fetish for it, there is a difference, ei, high heeled shoes are not a fetish but many men (and women) have a fetish for them.

2) Well if they do, it's their problem, not yours, be yourself and don't waste your time on things that are relatively irrelevant.

3) If they see you as such then move on, there is nothing for you with them.

4) Well, the owner of Grooby production did state that he wasn't into tgirls himself, at least not openly, so i don't see why that should bug you.

5) Well, some will see it as an aberation, others will see it as a divination, who's right and who's wrong, neither, for some it might verry well be a kink, but not for all, i find tgirls very sexy, and i love the opposing body genitalia, it looks very nice, but i know that the girls are real people with feelings, emotions and a mind of their own, and as such are deserving of respect as everybody else, but not everybody shares my views, and everybody is entitled to their opinions, irregrardless of wheather they are right or wrong, attitudes do change over time, so take it in stride and be strong as you have been so far.

johnDowe.

Last edited by johndowe; 09-21-2009 at 08:14 AM.
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