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I appreciate the job you moderators do to try to keep some sense of order here. I know I am always seeing people starting a new thread on an already existing topic. They must not bother to check the previous threads list or maybe they simply don't care. Perhaps the new thread page could be revamped in some way to more forcibly draw their attention to the existing threads
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Interesting coincidence today. Here we were discussing bumblebees and what do I come across while I am downloading pics? A tgirl with a bumblebee tatoo which is something I do not remember seeing before. This is Jannyane, from Rio, from Bobs Tgirls.

And yes, Sesame, the point in the my post was that perhaps the new thread page could be revamped - perhaps by moving the previous thread list to a position above the new thread box so the member would be more likely to look at it before beginning the new thread.
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What tattoos do you have, Jenae?
This Bumblebee Tgirl is very pretty, I must admit.
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When I was younger it was considered as something that only "low lifes" did and then of course there was the biblical proscription in Leviticus against it. I had lots of tatoos as a kid, but those were only the temporary ones that came with a piece of bubble gum. I never really had the urge to have one, so never did.
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I really don't believe men are alone in being insecure. It doesn't take much contemplation to bring to mind all the instances of insecurity in women. So, I will agree that most people are insecure to some degree or another.

As to their ego being as fragile as a house of cards and them being unable to admit to loving a Tgirl, I will say this. Nearly all men (and women) are social animals; most of their behavior and beliefs are governed by the culture and society in which are raised and in which they spend their day to day lives. It takes a rare man to even think differant from the stream of group consensus and an even rarer man to make a stand upon his convictions and stand like a rock against the stream. History is full of people who have braved the tide of popular opinion and beliefs. Some were burned (Jeane d'Arc), some were thrown in jail (Galileo), and some were even crucified (Jesus of Nazareth). Life ain't easy for the one who is differant. Some were lucky; they were only derided and looked upon with scorn. Man is not much better, if at all, than the animal kingdom where the odd one is often turned upon by their fellows and destroyed. If you see where I am going with this, then this is where you interupt me and say, "So what does this have to do with the question?"

The issue of transgenderism is still relatively unkown to the greater masses and thus most of their opinions are based on ignorance and misinformation.
It is the chasm, between this lack of knowledge about the subject by most of his peers (the group consensus) and his personal feelings that place our hero in a very difficult position. On one hand ,he has found this person who he is attracted to, and on the other hand, if he affirms this in public he may be subjected to the ridicule and contempt of his peers (the guys). Most men are going to go with their gut instinct which is of course that of survival.

There are a lot of paralels between this situation and the case of a pair of mixed race lovers a few generations back. And yet, look how much easily
mixed couples are taken in stride today. Sure there are pockets of resistance, but they are shrinking all the time. Hopefully this will become the case with TG relationships also. Hopefully it will evolve to tolerance, than to acceptance, and finally to loving people for who they really are and not judging them by the little boxes we tend to put them in.

I really hope you have the compassion and understanding to see the situation from your significant other's viewpoint. I realize that you have probably tried to discuss this with them, and it wasn't easy. Hopefully, I have helped to put you in a more knowlegable position for further discussion.

I do want to caution you that this is only one facet of the problems facing transgender couples, and my simple answer doesn't really begin to cover the subject. I am sure there is a wealth of information out there on the web. Have you really spent some time googling this subject and reading and thinking about what's out there?
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A man's fear of being called a "fag" or rediculed by the society (and relatives) is greater than his Love for the Tgirl.


Fear > Love

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I'll admit that I had to do some research on this one. While I have lost some of my hair over the years, I am a very long way from being considered bald, and thus I had no reason to think much about this problem. The idea that baldness is inherited from ones maternal grandfather was commonly believed through the ages as that is what the evidence suggested. This would seem to hold up in my family; my mom's dad died with a fairly full head of hair. My cousin Roger was going bald before he was out of his thirties and his maternal grandpa was bald also. Some believes that this factor accounts for about 90% of all baldness.

Now as to your question, I believe the best answer is:

"Body and scalp hair may change in testure but hormone treatment will not inhibit beard growth or improve male pattern baldness."

this quote if from: http://www.transgenderzone.com/research/hrt.htm

which seems to be a very good place to answer this question and other questions you may have.

I would like to point out that as woman, tgirls are much more at liberty
to wear wigs and such to improve their appearance. We have all encountered a zillion jokes about rugs, toupees, etc. The truth of the matter is that many women experiance a balding problem, especially during, and after menopause. They account for a large percentage of wig sales every year. And no one puts them down for it. Another "inequality of treatment for the sexes" ??
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I really don't know how you define leisurely reading. A comic book? The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire? The Encyclopedia Britannica? the National Enquirer?

Please give me some examples of your idea of leisurely reading and then perhaps I can give you possible reccomendations.
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Realistic Science Fiction ???????

I am not sure what you mean by the add on term "realistic" that you use here. I think you are using the term to exclude fantasy type stories with elves, witches, wizards, etc. As you know. the line between the two genres is often blurred as in the Pern stories which focus on dragons. The worlds of science fiction are usually set in our future which makes it un-realistic to many so I will just reccomend some SF that I have found enjoyable and worthwhile.

1. Anything by Robert Heinlein starting with Stranger in a Strange Land . There is a reason he has won more Hugo awards for novels than anybody else.

2. The Dune Series by Frank Herbert. Even the continuation of the series by his son with K. Anderson are worthwhile.

3. The Ender Wiggins series by Orson Scott Card. I have never ever forgot the short story that spawned this series. Talk about a big oak tree that sprang from a little acorn.

4. The Foundation Series by Issac Assimov. Another author like Heinlein who has written tons of great books.


These are just a few. I could go on for hours talking about SF. But on to other genres. I have favorite authors of whom I love almost anything they write.

Stephan King - The master. There is a valid reason why he is the yardstick by which others are measured. The Stand is one of my all time favorites!

Anne Rice - Even if you don't care for vampire fiction, you should read Cry to Heaven and Memnoch the Devil. Forget about the crap she has written since she returned to the fold and embraced Christianity. She comes across like a naive beginner in those.

Colleen McCullough - Her series on Roman history has been characterised as "a work of monumental fiction" and I couldn't agree more. They are a great read. It doesn't matter if you are familiar with the history of Rome or not, she brings the characters to life like few other authors can, and creates a totally believable scenario from the immense amount of research she did prior to her writing.

James Michener - Which of his books did I like? Every last one of them!

I hope this is enough for now. It is hard to recommend a book to someone. Especially when you know next to nothing about them. I have read a lot of books in my life and it is hard to separate out the ones to reccomend; I have read so many good books. My folks gave me and my siblings a big advantage in this area. There was no TV in our house when I was a child and since we lived in the country, books were a constant influence. The interesting thing there is that my Dad, who was primarily responsible for this, wasn't near a voracious reader as any of us kids. Never understood this, or him, I guess. In later years he spent hours watching sports on TV; something I consider a great waste of time. I could give rat shit about whether the Broncs beat the Chiefs in a game, and I damn sure wasn't going to waste time watching the process. Thanks, Dad!
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In one word Hypocricy

Now of course you meant only some men. As to why some men (and women)are hypocrites? Wow! Tall order there. Line up 100 hypocrites and you may find 100 differant reasons. One thing I have noticed. is that there seem to be a greater percentage of hypocrites found among "religious" people. In this case, I believe you would find that religious "guilt" would be responsible for quite a few of these two faced fellows.

We all rationalize the things we do, some more than others. And, sexual matters are one of the prime areas for this failing. We all have certain beliefs about what is right and wrong. And there is a great variance in where we draw the line that separates what is acceptable from what is not.

If we are honest, then what we profess as our position is the same as where we actually stand, and the same as where our behavior indicates we stand. What is really sad is that some people lie not so much to others as they lie to themselves. I am sure you know people like this. I myself would classify these as mental abberations, and possibly mental illness - depending on the severity of the case.

This brings up the question: What can be done about it? The only answer I can come up with is that hopefully they will change. It's not likely. Most people only change their thinking patterns when they get hit right in the face with something new and they are in a vulnerable position. That is why your religious converters have more success with the down and out, the hurting, the lost, the guilty-feeling, etc. Are you in a position to effect a change? Do you care enough about these people to expend the effort? Is there a danger to yourself in a confrontation? These are some of the questions only you can answer and must weigh carefully before acting.
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You will ansewer all?

How about these two riddles?

They're kinda easy, here goes.

1- The condemmed man is offered a choice he tells the judge a true or false statement, if the statement is true they will drown him, if the statement is false, they will burn him, what would your statement be?

2- The riddle of the sphinks (excuse my french), what animal walks on 4 legs in the morning, 2 legd in the afternoon, and 3 legs in the night?

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Why do you think was Joan condemned by the Church of blasphemy and executed in a ghastly manner? On May the 30th 1431, she was tied to a pole and burnt alive in the middle of a marketplace!!

500 years later, this same Joan is cannonised to Sainthood by the Vatican Church!!

My querries are:
1)How can a "blasphemous witch", as she was called, become a saint over time?

2) Jesus said in essence to love your enemy as yourself---to pray for and bless your enemy. Now how can the Church disobey it's God and inflict inhumane torture? In so doing, the Church is going against Christ himself!
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You will ansewer all?

How about these two riddles?

They're kinda easy, here goes.

1- The condemmed man is offered a choice he tells the judge a true or false statement, if the statement is true they will drown him, if the statement is false, they will burn him, what would your statement be?

2- The riddle of the sphinks (excuse my french), what animal walks on 4 legs in the morning, 2 legd in the afternoon, and 3 legs in the night?

Please specify if you already knew the ansewers.

Good Luck.

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Easy ones and yes I heard the second one years ago, the answer of which is man.

As to the first one there is a multitude of statements you could make that are not provable one way or the other. You could say there are 16 planets circling the star Orion. Since they will not be able to prove your statement either way, they must defer sentance untill they can. Of course by that time your life will be long over so what do you care. There are a zillion statements that would work in this manner. Of course I suspect here that the answer you are looking for is a conundrum of some sort or another. A classic conundrum is the following:

"The second part of this statement is false, while the first part is true."

There are many like this around and there are many you may encounter in life. That is why there if the often used quote:

"damned if I do, damned if I don't"

I am curious to see if your answer eliminates the possibilities of both punishments or simply hanging hiss ass.
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500 years later, this same Joan is cannonised to Sainthood by the Vatican Church!!

My querries are:
1)How can a "blasphemous witch", as she was called, become a saint over time?

2) Jesus said in essence to love your enemy as yourself---to pray for and bless your enemy. Now how can the Church disobey it's God and inflict inhumane torture? In so doing, the Church is going against Christ himself!
1 ) Rationale simply put ? Well in those times, Secular Politics wielded Power through the Sword ofetn reinforcing its Social control by claiming religious precedents. With ever increasing power, Religious orders were able to tailor their coats to suit their own purposes and reverse previously spin-based decisions.

Power corrupts but to achieving absolute power one must surrender to corruption ( with Apologies for corrupting poor old Lord Acton's quote )

2 ) The only God the Christian Church of the time truly worshipped was Power.
As is so sadly all too often the case, genuine carriers of ' Christ's ' message of Love and Forgiveness were few and far between, and usually silenced by Fear of the consequences of speaking out too boldly.
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Hi there.

The ansewer to the first riddle is: You will burn me.

if they go for the burn option the statement is therefore true they'd have to drown him, if they go for the drowning, the statement becomes false so, by their rules they can't execute him, et least not by burning or drowning.

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Why do you think was Joan condemned by the Church of blasphemy and executed in a ghastly manner? On May the 30th 1431, she was tied to a pole and burnt alive in the middle of a marketplace!!

500 years later, this same Joan is cannonised to Sainthood by the Vatican Church!!

My querries are:
1)How can a "blasphemous witch", as she was called, become a saint over time?

2) Jesus said in essence to love your enemy as yourself---to pray for and bless your enemy. Now how can the Church disobey it's God and inflict inhumane torture? In so doing, the Church is going against Christ himself!
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I see Mel already beat me to the punch here, but I will tell you how I see it.

Question 1 Answer : First I would say that saint and witch are only labels. As labels they are only a tag which we use to denote something. Jeane d'Arc was neither a saint or a witch, her essence was/is separate from any label. Labels change and evolve over time. Ex. At one time the earth was flat and the center of the universe. If you didn't believe it, then off to the rack with you. Now we know the earth isn't flat, and we know that it certainly isn't anywhere near the center of the universe if there is such a position in a seemingly infinite cosmos. Yes, it is nice to know that the CC can change it's position on matters when it becomes politically expediant to do so. These guys are not stupid you know - witness the change in their stated position on evolution. This kinda leads into the next answer.

Question 2 Answer: "Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them" - Mat 7-20

The church could disobey their god because:

1. They really didn't believe there is a god and thus did not believe they would be accountable for their actions. And/Or...........
2. They were able to rationalize their actions by dismissing the core teachings of Jesus and pouncing on older teachings in the Old Testement which advocates attacking your enemies. Instead of turning the other cheek as Jesus advocated they were much more willing to smite them hip and thigh.
It's almost as if their bible was the Satanic Bible which urges:

"Hate your enemies with a whole heart," The Satanic Bible advises. "And if a man smite you on one cheek, smash him on the other! Smite him hip and thigh, for self-preservation is the highest law!"

3. In those days, the heads of the church were oftimes the most despicable sons a bitches that walked the earth. They were power-mongers whose main aim was the preservation of their control at any and all cost. They ruled through ignorance and the threat of excommunication and all that entails. They had the authority and the power to do pretty damn near anything they wanted. To put it simply, they were the survivors. They stamped out any dissenting views as heretical; as you may or may not know, the Crusades weren't just against Muslims, they also were against other branches of Christianity. Look up the crusades against the Cathars and the Albigensians if you are not familir with this topic.
I know my church history, even more so than the Founding Fathers of the United States did. They didn't put in the clauses separating Church and State on a whim. Considering it's bloody, bloody past, the Catholic Church has come back closer today to what Jesus taught. But, they still have a hell of a long way to go. When they take most of the resources they have and devote them to really helping the children of Jesus; they will then approach the ideals he spoke of. Meanwhile the Cardinals travel around in limos and fly in private jets...........they are still rationalizing their behavior.

Perhaps by now you have thought to youself, "this guy is ranting." Yes, if that is how you see it. I too like Jesus know that "most do not have ears to hear, nor eyes to see" to paraphrase him. Most people are so locked into their regular habits of thought that they cannot see the Truth right in front of them. My hope is not that you will believe my convictions; rather my hope is that you will find out for yourselves. That you will search out the truth of the matter for yourselves. That you will gather evidence and arguments from differant sources and both sides of the question. That you will weigh the data in a rational manner and decide for yourself.

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I am aware of the 4th crusade, when the Crusaders, the saviors of Christianity, ransacked and looted Churches in and around Constantinople; they murdered infants and raped most of the nuns too. I can see the kind of Holy Battle they were up to.
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1- The condemmed man is offered a choice he tells the judge a true or false statement, if the statement is true they will drown him, if the statement is false, they will burn him, what would your statement be?
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The ansewer to the first riddle is: You will burn me.
They can kill him in the water for the true statement and burn him after to fulfil the statement.
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Hi there.

I think you're missing the point.

The statement canot be true & false at the same time!

Enough about that anyway.

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I think you're missing the point.

The statement canot be true & false at the same time!
The statement is not false, they will burn him, after drownig him.
Nothing says that only one thing will happen, or that he will die while burning.
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Hi there.

It's a riddle, not a heavy phylodophycal discussion, it is supposed to be a clever ansewer to a unfair choice.

You have the riddle and you have the ansewer, what else do you want? (Rethorical, do not ansewer).

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I think I have a neurosis to answer this question. I waited, cause it's not my answer threat, but I can't anymore. I'm sorry if Jenae wants to answer.


The string theory tries to explain the four fundamental interactions. To do that, it had to combine quantum mechanics and general relativity (gravitation).

The string theory is not one theory, but a bunch of similar theories with little differences. They are different approximations of the M-theory.

The theory says that the smallest parts are, not as in the standard model 0-dimensional dots, 1-dimensional strings (lines). The strings are closed or, in some theory, can be open. The different shape and the different vibration of the strings describe their properties. This vibrating strings form everything that we know. Even the vacuum is made up of strings.

The theory isn't finished or has been experimental proved. But it is on a good way to explain the world. E.g.:
The standard model gets with the big bang or black holes to gravitational singularity or spacetime singularity, cause of the 0-dimensional dots. Singularity is not defined in math. The string theory avoids this problem with the 1-dimensional strings.
Also quantum mechanics can be explained better and more logic.


If you meant the band string theory or the Star Trek novel, I can't help.
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Thanks Tread, I am sure everyone got that.

And, thanks for the slap in the face from your previous post. It woke me up to some realities of the situation on this forum. I am still considering what I want to do about it.

Now, back to string theory. I didn't answer Sesame because he was just flucking with me. If he really wanted an answer to the question, I am sure there are a ton of pages on the internet that are devoted to the subject.

The developments in theoretical physics have opened up so many possibilities that are simply staggering to our concepts of what is. Just the issue of branes alone presnts so many possibile doorways to other realities. In the area of UFO studies it presents possible answers as to where they come from and what they are. Branes may also hold the key as to mysterious disapearances and appearances of people and things that are unexplainable up till now.

One of the many things about these new concepts that intrigues me is the possibility of a connection between the idea that we are basically comprised of energy, and the many concepts of gods, angels, and even man that define them as beings of light and energy. Time after time, in the history of mankind and his metaphysical beliefs, you encounter these notions.

Notions like: chakras, auras, "light of god", "inner light", etc. Even:

"you're here to be light, bringing out the God-colors in the world."
- Jesus Christ (Matthew 5:14) just one of many sayings that deal with light.

Food for thought?? even for an theist like me.
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I didn't answer Sesame because he was just flucking with me. If he really wanted an answer to the question, I am sure there are a ton of pages on the internet that are devoted to the subject.
Aww, C'mon, Sister Jenae, I couldnt see any clause in your thread saying,
"I wont entertain those questions, that have already been answered elsewhere in the infinite Internet!".

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The theory says that the smallest parts are, not as in the standard model 0-dimensional dots, 1-dimensional strings (lines). The strings are closed or, in some theory, can be open. The different shape and the different vibration of the strings describe their properties. This vibrating strings form everything that we know. Even the vacuum is made up of strings.
Well answered indeed! In that case, may I ask,
how many Strings are there?

For example, there are so many elements in the periodic table that combine in different proportions to create this world. Now, how many strings are there that combine to create this universe? Or is it a Multiverse?

So far, we find the smallest particle to be a Photon. Its even lighter and smaller than an electron. Photons are real particles. But then, photons are different as they vibrate in different frequencies.

Are these strings only a mathematical possibility or are they real, like photons?
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I think all this stuff about string theory is a lot of mathematical hocus pocus.
there is no physical evidence for any of it. I am waiting for the Higgs Boson to arrive in the Large Hadron Collider, then, maybe, we can get a handle on what is going on in the subatomic world.

Also Jenae commented on energy. The Indian mystics contemplated the inner energy in humans and called it kundalini which is the latent female energy in all of us. Much of Tantric meditation involves activating this energy which transcends the ego and produces "enlightenment". Transsexuals and their admirers could be interested in this Tantric Yoga since the male and female energies are intertwined.

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In principle there are infinity possibilities of vibrating strings.
The problem is to detect and measure them. The strings are described in 32 dimensions. Until now the dimensions are reduced to 10-, 11- or 26-dimensions in the sting theories. The Branes Jenae talked are a way to reduce the dimensions to our 4 measurable, 3 room and 1 time dimension. Until this happens, the energy of strings is too high.
The other problem is the "bigness" of strings, 10^-35m = 0,0000000000000000000000000000000001m. No one can measure it today.

I'm sure the number of strings is limited strongly by conditions. Until now minimal 18 particles are theoretical known, and then there is vacuum, time, dark energy and dark madder (I'm sure I forgot something). But nobody knows how many.
In the string theory, vibrating strings form everything. Bosons (photons, gravitons, higgs-bosons, ...), leptons (electron, different neutrinos, ...) and Quarks.
Quarks and leptons form fermions. Fermions and bosons form hadrons. Hadrons and fermions form nucleons (proton, neutron). Nucleons and electrons form atoms (elements in the periodic table).

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So far, we find the smallest particle to be a Photon. Its even lighter and smaller than an electron. Photons are real particles. But then, photons are different as they vibrate in different frequencies.
I never heard someone was able to measure their bigness. But they can only a bit bigger then the string that form it. Their mass is 0, until someone find anti gravitation you can't find something lighter. They can be created and can be destroyed, without noticeable particles. So there must be unknown strings everywhere.

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Are these strings only a mathematical possibility or are they real, like photons?
You can't say something is real or not until it is proven. No one can prove it today. The string theory and the surrounding theories are not ready. They must develop further. Until now they are the best way to explain the word.
They are not a mathematical possibility, they are fundamental in the string theory. But the theory is only 1 mathematical possibility, but only a theory and not finished.



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I think all this stuff about string theory is a lot of mathematical hocus pocus.
there is no physical evidence for any of it. I am waiting for the Higgs Boson to arrive in the Large Hadron Collider, then, maybe, we can get a handle on what is going on in the subatomic world.

Also Jenae commented on energy. The Indian mystics contemplated the inner energy in humans and called it kundalini which is the latent female energy in all of us. Much of Tantric meditation involves activating this energy which transcends the ego and produces "enlightenment". Transsexuals and their admirers could be interested in this Tantric Yoga since the male and female energies are intertwined.
I trust the mathematical hocus pocus more than the religious hocus pocus. And as said, it's only a theory.

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Anyway, Tread, you are very knowledgeable about nuclear theories. Do you think the Higgs is a valid theory or is something else coming along?
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I never heard someone was able to measure their bigness. But they can only a bit bigger then the string that form it. Their mass is 0, until someone find anti gravitation you can't find something lighter. They can be created and can be destroyed, without noticeable particles. So there must be unknown strings everywhere.
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Dear Mister Tread,
It was nice reading your little article. But you forget one tiny detail. Its the Law of conservation of matter and energy.
Matter cannot be created, nor can it be destroyed.
Similarly, Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form.
Even If you apply E=mc^2 formula, matter only gets transferred to energy. So, the sumtotal of all energy always remains the same. Now, how can you say that this most fundamental of all particles, can be created or destroyed? If its created, whence does it come? (If it originates from something else, its not the smallest one! ) If destroyed, where does it go? Bothways, its fundamental nature is proven false.

Now, about Photons:

We all know that Light is Radiant energy. By Light I include visible light and both sides of the spectrum. Radio waves with the lowest frequencies of 10^2 hertz,... microwaves 10^11 hertz... visible light 10^14 hz... UV 10^16hz... Xrays 10^19 hz....to Gamma Rays 10^20... cosmic rays 10^22hz the whole bunch! We can explain them by the wave theory as Electro Magnetic Radiation. That explains the velocity of light, reflection, refraction and so on.

But, Light can also be explained as consisting of particles, which explains Defraction and deviation of light from a straight line, while passing masses of great concentration and magnitude. Like planets, stars, black-holes. Scientists say that this happens due to the warping of the matrix around those bodies. And Photons (Light particles) follow the matrix. This my friend, can only be explained by the theory of Particles. And where there are particles, there has got to be some mass and bigness!
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The Higgs boson particle is one quantum component of the theoretical Higgs field. In empty space, the Higgs field has an amplitude different from zero, i.e., a non-zero vacuum expectation value. The existence of this non-zero vacuum expectation plays a fundamental role: it gives mass to every elementary particle which has mass, including the Higgs boson itself. In particular, the acquisition of a non-zero vacuum expectation value spontaneously breaks electroweak gauge symmetry, which scientists often refer to as the Higgs mechanism. This is the simplest mechanism capable of giving mass to the gauge bosons while remaining compatible with gauge theories. In essence, this field is analogous to a pool of molasses that "sticks" to the otherwise massless fundamental particles which travel through the field, converting them into particles with mass which form, for example, the components of atoms.
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We all know that Light is Radiant energy. By Light I include visible light and both sides of the spectrum. Radio waves with the lowest frequencies of 10^2 hertz,... microwaves 10^11 hertz... visible light 10^14 hz... UV 10^16hz... Xrays 10^19 hz....to Gamma Rays 10^20... cosmic rays 10^22hz the whole bunch! We can explain them by the wave theory as Electro Magnetic Radiation. That explains the velocity of light, reflection, refraction and so on.
Time for a lesson on the electromagnetic spectrum, Sesame.

The lowest radio waves start and 10^3 hertz. Lower frequencies are referred to as voice frequencies. Microwaves start at just below 10^9 hertz and go to just below 10^12 hertz. Visible light is just below 10^15 hertz. In between microwaves and visible light is infrared. The rest I will agree with you.
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Time for a lesson on the electromagnetic spectrum, Sesame.

The lowest radio waves start and 10^3 hertz. Lower frequencies are referred to as voice frequencies. Microwaves start at just below 10^9 hertz and go to just below 10^12 hertz. Visible light is just below 10^15 hertz. In between microwaves and visible light is infrared. The rest I will agree with you.
The extremely low freq Radio waves start from 3 x 10^1 to 3 x 10^2 hz.
Ila dear, learn from brother Sesame! For a detailed knowledge of radio waves, see the picture below. :D

I knew it would come from you, Ila!
Microwaves= 3 x 10^8 to 3 x 10^11 hz
So, is 10^11 hz wrong?

Visible Light is 4 x 10^14 to 7.5 x 10^14 hz

Visible Light lies between Ultra Violet and InfraRed range.
UV lies between 10^15 to 10^17 hz. And I said 10^16 hz, so am I wrong?

So, you should agree with me all along, Ila, my friend!
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The extremely low freq Radio waves start from 3 x 10^1 to 3 x 10^2 hz.
Ila dear, learn from brother Sesame! For a detailed knowledge of radio waves, see the picture below. :D

I knew it would come from you, Ila!
Microwaves= 3 x 10^8 to 3 x 10^11 hz
So, is 10^11 hz wrong?

Visible Light is 4 x 10^14 to 7.5 x 10^14 hz

Visible Light lies between Ultra Violet and InfraRed range.
UV lies between 10^15 to 10^17 hz. And I said 10^16 hz, so am I wrong?

So, you should agree with me all along, Ila, my friend!
I cannot completely agree with you, sesame. Radio waves are always considered to start in the VLF range 3 - 30 khz (3 x 10^3 at the lower end). Anything below that is audio frequencies and frequencies at 3 x 10^1 and 3 x 10^2 are audible to humans.

You are right about microwaves, but your first answer only gave the upper end of microwaves. The least you could have done if you are going to quote only one number is to give the midrange.

The rest I will agree with you on. And yes, I was being picky, but only because it's fun to debate with you.

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Ila dear,
Please shed your majestic gaze on the above picture.
You will see, to your amazement, that Radio waves begin at 30 hertz only in the Extremely Low Frequency Range. ELF.

After that comes Ultra Low Freq beginning at 300 Hz. ULF.

After that comes Very Low Freq, starting at 3000 Hz. Its called VLF.

Refesh your info from time to time. Its very helpful.

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Dear friend,
We are talking about Light here. Light is ELECTRO MAGNETIC RADIATION. It doesnt need any medium to travel through.

Sound is NOT an ELECTRO MAGNETIC RADIATION. It is only the vibration of the particles of a medium. Its a form of energy though. It cannot travel without a medium.

Human Audio range is between 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz. So, even though 30Hz sound overlaps with 30 hz Radio wave, we cannot hear a radio wave, because it doesnt vibrate air.

Light and Sound are two different things.
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I never heard someone was able to measure their bigness. But they can only a bit bigger then the string that form it. Their mass is 0, until someone find anti gravitation you can't find something lighter. They can be created and can be destroyed, without noticeable particles. So there must be unknown strings everywhere.
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Dear Mister Tread,
It was nice reading your little article. But you forget one tiny detail. Its the Law of conservation of matter and energy.
Matter cannot be created, nor can it be destroyed.
Similarly, Energy cannot be created or destroyed, it only changes form.
Even If you apply E=mc^2 formula, matter only gets transferred to energy. So, the sumtotal of all energy always remains the same. Now, how can you say that this most fundamental of all particles, can be created or destroyed? If its created, whence does it come? (If it originates from something else, its not the smallest one! ) If destroyed, where does it go? Bothways, its fundamental nature is proven false.
I said without noticeable (for us by now) particles, and there must be unknown strings everywhere. I meant creating out of these strings and destroyed into these strings. I had better said changes into stings and photons.
But in today measurement we can not detect strings. It seems like they are created and destroyed out of and into nothing. Not clear written by me.

I did not say photons are most fundamental of all particles. The strings are the most fundamental objects that form photons, in string theory.

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Now, about Photons:

We all know that Light is Radiant energy. By Light I include visible light and both sides of the spectrum. Radio waves with the lowest frequencies of 10^2 hertz,... microwaves 10^11 hertz... visible light 10^14 hz... UV 10^16hz... Xrays 10^19 hz....to Gamma Rays 10^20... cosmic rays 10^22hz the whole bunch! We can explain them by the wave theory as Electro Magnetic Radiation. That explains the velocity of light, reflection, refraction and so on.

But, Light can also be explained as consisting of particles, which explains Defraction and deviation of light from a straight line, while passing masses of great concentration and magnitude. Like planets, stars, black-holes. Scientists say that this happens due to the warping of the matrix around those bodies. And Photons (Light particles) follow the matrix. This my friend, can only be explained by the theory of Particles. And where there are particles, there has got to be some mass and bigness!
If you can explain reflection, refraction and so on fully by only using Electro Magnetic Radiation, you would know more than anyone else. This are also effects that only can explained with light as wave and particle.

Photons have no electric charge. But they carry electromagnetic force.
It could be possible that this causes the detraction of light by passing masses of great concentration and magnitude.
As long as nobody knows how gravitation, gravitons, works, we could not exclude an interaction of with zero mass photon.
It could also be possible that the photon has a mass, but then we need something new for quantum mechanics. It needs zero mass photons.
I don't know for sure, but in string theory every one calculates with zero mass photons.

If some one understands light fully or can combine quantum mechanics and general relativity, the Nobel prize is sure.




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Do you think the Higgs is a valid theory or is something else coming along?
You answered the most yourself with wikipedia.

The Higgs bosons (there are five kinds of it) and the Higgs field are the easiest way to explain mass. Without mass none physic theory would work.
Maybe mass is more complicated, I don't know, but something must cause the mass.

If Higgs bosons exist, we are very close (a few years) to find them in particle accelerators like the LHC (Large Hadron Collider).
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Food for thought?? even for an theist like me.
OOPS!! Big typo error there! Meant to type atheist there but I dropped the "a" somehow and didn't proofread as I was in a hurry to get somewhere. Bit of differance between an atheist and a theist, doncha know.

Looking over the posts above, I have noticed that some of you have a habit of stating theories as facts. Also some of the paraphrasings here are ambiguous and somewhat incorrect. I believe we had all best keep in mind that most of this field is simply theory built upon mathematical constructs or models. It is going to take some time and a great deal of moolah to prove or disprove much of it.

And if we move from the super microscopic view of particle physics to the other end of the scale, and we look at the big, big picture and start discussing black holes, universe creation, etc?? Much the same situation. A lot of theories based on mathematical projections and little proof for now. So where are we?

I say it doesn't matter. The important thing is that at least some of mankind is reaching out to try and understand our place in the grand scheme of things. It is really pretty damn inspiring to me when I think about how far we have come since the "flat earth" state of knowledge. I realize that we are fast approaching the limit of what one man can learn in a lifetime in order to apply what he knows to new possibilities. We may have to develop artificial intelligence in order to progress much more. The problem with men as thinking entities is that we have to devote much of our time and resources to just plain living day to day, and all that entails.

As far as I can see, it is all just another part of the evolution of mankind. The big question is if we will survive to continue down the road. What will favor the survival of the fittest in the years to come? Will it be religious fanaticism? Will it be tolerance and brotherly love? Will it be just a matter of chance? Your guess is as good as mine.
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You will see, to your amazement, that Radio waves begin at 30 hertz only in the Extremely Low Frequency Range. ELF.
Wikipedia: Radio waves begin at 3Hz.
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Sorry, have correct. Threre are radio waves under 3Hz, also wikipedia.
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What do you have to say about transmutation of elements?
Yes, I'm talking about converting other metals to Gold!

Gold
Atomic num= 79
Group=11
Period=6
Series= Transition Metals
Crystal Struc= Cubic face centered
Latin= Aurum

I think, Hg-->Au has the greatest potential.:D

Mercury
Latin= hydrargyrum (liquid silver)
Atomic num= 80
Period, series are same as Gold.
Group=12
Crystal structure= Rhombohedral
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Possible, already done, but highly inefficient.

It's logical possibility in physic standard model. Lead into gold, Platinum into gold and Mercury into gold have successfully be done.

From your kind question, I see that you are not unknown of transmutation of elements. So what do you want to ask really?
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