It seems that I'm close to being kicked out of here... Curious Girl wins...

[hankhavelock]

Moderator

Is that a warning from the forum or a complaint from someone? Quite unclear. Nameless. And no, I don't think it was Sesame :-) Did the republicans finally win?

I find it, in that case, quite amazing that people can advocate, unharmed, the mutilation of transsexuals in the good nature of free speach while a powerful reply is uncalled for here.

I've given content to this forum for a bit over two years, and yes indeed, maybe the time has come to pull the plug on this sucker.

Better to keep it "below the line", and apparently better to accept brutalization than direct words. Curious Girl and her sadistic approach won over me... fabulous. So be it ;-) She must feel like the cisgender queen of the day... it's ok to ask for the cutting of balls and the wonders of Geo Bush, but NEVER attack that... because these are fair and square democratic points of view. And NEVER overspeak... accept freaky behaviour and simply just SMILE and say, yes, you are SO right to have your opininions... and who am I ever to challenge your deep and well-thought-through opinions...

Well, I do challenge these things, and I continuously will. Screw Geo Bush (he's gone anyways) but don't screw aspects of transsexual life that are so beyond a fetish of some cisgender girl with a castration fetish. Her fetish can be fine, but darn it if I should just sit back and listen to her bloody stuff when it has implications that go beyond just a little kinky fetish. Implication that she undoubtedly has no knowledge of. How could she?

Maybe you guys didn't read what I said, and then it's tuff to challenge you, besides I won't repeat myself. But if forum rule here is being allowed to unchallenged come out with points of views that are so hazardous to the core of transsexuality, then you can, indeed, include me out. Especially if I cannot vigorously and hatefully oppose what I consider complete disrespect of something I personally hold very, very dear. I will for always fight for the deep rightfulness of transsexuality - and I AM passionate about that! Deeply passionate. This is one of the few things in life I've ever felt ready to fight for truly and deeply. Transsexuality - because I've been fortunate enuff to become part of it. I've been welcomed into transsexual life in the sweetest and best way - I've been supported by trannies, when no one else did... by a minority... I've been protected by trannies, when I really needed it... my loyalty is undivided!

Let's not kid ourselves here about the hazards and the fascism and the stupidity... and the f****** transfobia. It's diabolic! But still, they saved me... and once a transgirl told me... Hank, when you are really down in the shit, then remember that you have ME and every single Asian tranny behind you... and THAT gave me strength beyond measures to rise from the ashes... and I did... and now I owe a sweet debt. It's a debt of honour - it's a debt of sweetness and kindness. It's a debt I'll always bear deep inside and always have with deep pleasure and respect. It's a debt I cherish and wouldn't be without. It's a debt I never can fully repay. It's a debt of love.

And let me say it st8 out, if you cannot handle that, moderators, then kick me out NOW, cuz I'll only get more and more political. Especially now after this socalled warning. I don't compromise on this. Never. After 600+ postings here, you make the decision, guys.

I don't know much about the mental or political habitus of the moderators here - I don't know them as persons - but I do know a thing or two about translife, and this forum has emerged from a porno thing to a forum with a very honest and deep debate regarding transsexuality. That has been created without much interference from the moderators, which is good, and solely by the content created by users. Users with an attitude.

If you want me gone, you want me gone. But remember, as the Count said, when the peasants threw him out of his castle in Trans*sylvania... "remember, that without me, this place will be about as interesting as... Bukarest... on a Monday nite..."

Oh, my children of the nite... ;-)

To all you guys out there that I've come to know over the last two years here, it's NOT so hard to find a sweet, wonderful tranny! But ALWAYS treat her nicely, and always be strong enuff to defend her, when the lay people get nasty! I've written numerous postings on this. Search them and be inspired. Unless my postings get removed as well. I've said this so often, love her, adore her, be hers! Take her! She's SO ready if you truly are, honestly!

And to all my transsexual friends here, OMG, you're the best and the sweetest! You're darlings and gorgeous and you've taken part in a good discussion! I adore you totally, ladies! Especially my little Mizzy B... :-) Gonna miss you, girls! A 1000 kisses are flying to you!

Best of Danish luck to you all.

Before I give in and leave (and trust me, I never overstay hospitality), I again ask the moderators... who did this? And are you really sure you want me to leave? You know as well as I that I will again and again and continuously comment on people's postings the way I see fit. The same way I've done for two years. I don't think, however, that I have EVER attacked any one uncalled for, and I always stand corrected if needed.

So either I'm here as the one I am, or you kick me out now. I oppose the complaints as uncalled for words from people who dare not confront me themselves. They can confront me, and I shall take them on as politely as possible. BUT if the talk gets into matters that I consider anti-trans, then I get brutal. I'm sorry. I cannot do it any other way. Two years of me around here should have taught you so. If anyone fucks with my little (and not so little) trannies in a bad way, I take it personally... and I cannot and will not change that...

Peace!

Hank

Originally Posted by Shemale Sex Lover

Dear hankhavelock,

You have received a warning at Trans Ladyboy Forum.

Reason:
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Forum Rules Violation

Hey Hank,

i know you're a nice guy and i actually enjoy reading your posts, but this was just something out of the way. Please stop attacking other members.
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Original Post:
http://forum.transladyboy.com//showthread.php?p=78566

Warnings serve as a reminder to you of the forum's rules, which you are expected to understand and follow.

All the best,
Trans Ladyboy Forum

[ila]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Moderator

Is that a warning from the forum or a complaint from someone? Quite unclear. Nameless. And no, I don't think it was Sesame :-) Did the republicans finally win?

The warning is not from someone nameless. If you check the warning PM it tells you who sent it. For the record it was not me and I had nothing to do with it. Also getting a warning does not ban anyone from here.

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by ila

The warning is not from someone nameless. If you check the warning PM it tells you who sent it. For the record it was not me and I had nothing to do with it. Also getting a warning does not ban anyone from here.

I didn't say it was you, darling, but no, I refuse to believe it was Sesame... anyway, that's totally beside the point. The point is already written...

[hankhavelock]

Now it's the f****** THIRD time I get the same kicking-me-out-note, when ever I log on. Ok, I got the point. You don´t want me here, but why keep sending it...?

I replied, and I did expect an intelligent answer... but jee... what's the matter with you moderators? Have I insulted some one THAT much...

Ok, let's castrate all the trannies and lick the blood off our knives... is THAT what I'm supposed to succumb to? Never, you weirdos...

I only draw blood from str8s...

The Count...

I'll log off and not be back for a long time... sorry to have offended you so hard... gila gitu lah...

[CuriousGirl]

Hank,

NONE of this would have happened if you'd actually comprehended what I was saying, or at least asked for clarification on some point that bothered you.
Instead, you've continued to assert all manner of untruths; "CG is a dude", and worse, rather than pay the least heed to my sincere efforts to clarify and reassure.
Well, that's your privilege, of course, but I will dispute one assertion of yours, and that is by saying I don't consider myself as having "won" anything. All I've done is defend myself against your accusations and untruths...apparently to the satisfaction of the innocent bystanders, leaving only you and one other in a snit...and that I will do each and every time I'm attacked.
I'm relatively new to this forum. What if, at the first sign of someone's disagreement I, or anyone else recently joined, bailed at the first sign of something OTHER than applause or approval? This might become a VERY empty hall.
Leave if you wish for that is your right. Or...Stay, get to KNOW me (or not) and stop the personal attacks and innuendo. My hope?...The latter.

CG

[ila]

Originally Posted by hankhavelock

Now it's the f****** THIRD time I get the same kicking-me-out-note, when ever I log on. Ok, I got the point. You don´t want me here, but why keep sending it...?

I replied, and I did expect an intelligent answer... but jee... what's the matter with you moderators? Have I insulted some one THAT much...

Not one moderator here had anything to do with any of this. I suspect what you are seeing is a message that is generated automatically everytime you log on. I also suspect that the message will quit appearing when the warning period expires, which is generally three days after a warning is given.

[racquel]

Oh Hank....

You're a sweet man. I know 99% of people here appreciate your input. But in the end this is a site centered around porn and you really shouldn't take it too seriously. Have fun!

The thread you are talking about upset me quite a bit. I said what I had to say and have not clicked on it again. Doing so would just make me sad.

We all meet negative people in life. Sometimes we meet horrible people and we want to protect others from them. But somewhere in the world there are children starving and people being murdered and raped. We simply must choose our battles and not let everything we see drag us down.

Hating someone is often a victory for them because anger takes your time and energy and happiness. Removing someone from your life entirely is much more harsh than bothering to hate them.

What do you think of CuriousGirl? If your answer is "I hate her" then she wins. If your answer is "I don't" then you win.

(I know I read something like that a long time ago, but I honestly don't remember if it was Kant or the Ringveda or the Tao Te Ching or Ayn Rand or the back of my Raisin Bran)

[Special Services]

Have a cry fag... she likes castrated shemales, what's the big deal? So do I, I think its hot.

This is a site centered around porn, not a place for shemale rights activists to rant about how they are mistreated, sexualised or just seen as a kinky fantasy.

Last of all its the internet, if you let anything on the internet upset you then your a very stupid man.

[racquel]

Originally Posted by Special Services

Have a cry fag...

I think Hank is above those kinds of comments. You, on the other hand, sound like someone who is probably awfully conflicted by the fact that you can't achieve an orgasm unless everybody in your porn has a penis.

Originally Posted by Special Services

This is a site centered around porn, not a place for shemale rights activists to rant about how they are mistreated, sexualised or just seen as a kinky fantasy.

If you just want porn just go download porn. You joined a forum to talk about shemales, and last I checked this section says, "Everything is discussed here." I know it's upsetting, but you do run the risk of someone with a brain sharing their opinion, too.

Originally Posted by Special Services

your a very stupid man.

Ooh! Grammatical irony! That guy you're calling stupid figured out how contractions work in 3rd grade. What's your excuse?

[Bionca]

Hank. CG has a fantasy and a preference just like every other poster here. I personally find her use of quotation marks around female pronouns a little troubling - particularly given her commant n English.

No Need to leave Hank. SSL was just letting you know that things were getting a little tense in that thread.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by Special Services

Have a cry fag... she likes castrated shemales, what's the big deal? So do I, I think its hot.

This is a site centered around porn, not a place for shemale rights activists to rant about how they are mistreated, sexualised or just seen as a kinky fantasy.

Last of all its the internet, if you let anything on the internet upset you then your a very stupid man.

You on the other hand ARE feeding into a climate where gals like me are in fear daily. Oh sorry.. I forget mindless fuck-holes shouldn't have opinions. Fuck-head

[franalexes]

I think Hank must have his antenae on the outhouse.
His reception comes in a little shitty.

[fatbloke]

Originally Posted by Bionca

You on the other hand ARE feeding into a climate where gals like me are in fear daily. Oh sorry.. I forget mindless fuck-holes shouldn't have opinions. Fuck-head

NOT BEING FUNNY BIONCA,BUT WATCH WHAT YOU SAY,WHEN THINGS LIKE THAT ARE SAID TROUBLE CAN ENSUE.WHEN YOU EXPRESS YOURSELF LIKE THAT TO A COMPLETE PRICK THE POWERS THAT BE TEND TO COME DOWN ON THEIR SIDE.

[smc]

Originally Posted by racquel

If you just want porn just go download porn. You joined a forum to talk about shemales, and last I checked this section says, "Everything is discussed here." I know it's upsetting, but you do run the risk of someone with a brain sharing their opinion, too.

What makes this forum worthwhile is the discussion, not the porn -- which can be found anywhere. Some of the most valuable discussion here has focused on homophobia and violence against trans people.Hank is a consistently important contributor to the best discussions. I, for one, would be very sorry for his voice to be silenced.

[SweetCharmer]

there's a saying for all this and yes granted its crude and offensive but going b everything else thats been said this doesn't really compare but i in no way mean an of this to you lot it just seems to fit the thread at the moment


"arguing on the internet is like running in the special Olympics. even if you win you're still retarded."

now i think everybody on this thread should just chill out and cool off

now here look at these pics and laugh :D

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by SweetCharmer

now i think everybody on this thread should just chill out and cool off

:D

AMEN and AMEN.

[fatbloke]

If Something Needs To Be Said,let It Be.it Serves No Purpose To Keep It In,at Least Everyone Knows Where They Stand.you Can't Stop People Expressing Themselves.thats What Being Human Is About

[TheSkronkDonkey]

Hank is one of this board's most outstanding members. He is an awesome contributor here and we would all do well to heed his thoughts.

On the other hand, I did say to Hank in a PM that I needed more info on his beef with CG to share it. I didn't agree then and I don't agree now.

Still, this is clearly a very personal issue for Hank. It would be a shame if he permanently left the forum over this, but maybe a break to get away from the source of affliction while the anger is greatest is the most prudent course of action?

I'm also glad Hank created this thread for a reason that has since emerged. Racquel has come to the fore in this thread and made me take notice of her amazing erudition and wit. Out of dark times, there are always positives.

All the best, Hank! And I truly hope I'm not saying that for the last time. This community -- and, dare I say, given the prevalence of the Internet, the trans-world at large -- is a lot poorer without you.

[ila]

To set some things straight here:

1. In the original post to this thread Hank attached a PM that he received. The PM says it is a warning. No one gets banned from the site for a warning and most warnings expire after three days. Therefore Hank is not getting banned nor is he even close to getting banned.

2. In the same attachment it says who gave the warning. The warning did not come from any of the moderators. It came from the owner of the site. As such no moderator can answer the questions that Hank is asking the moderators to answer because moderators are not privy to any correspondance that the site owner receives.

3. Warnings are given if a member breaks any of the forum rules.

I have PMed the site owner so that he may address these issues raised here. I am going to lock this thread until the site owner comes on here at which time he may unlock the thread again or delete posts or whatever else he chooses to do.

Hank if you come on here and want to post in your thread PM myself or Cham and we'll open it again for you.

[SSL]

hey Hank,

i've sent you a PM and explained why you got this dreadful warning (as you see it has nothing to do with CG or republicans or castration for that matter) and why you saw it several times, this is just the way the forum software works.

Rest assured, i respect your views and never had an intention to kick you off, just do your best to be a little more.. ummm. friendly?

[ladyboyadmirer]

[QUOTE=hankhavelock;79384]Moderator

I don't want to bore anybody with my answer Hank, so I will keep it short.You are one of the finest contributors here. You are very neutral and intelligent, your contributions makes sense and are not impulsive crap (excuse my French). I sometimes think that suchlike experienced, well travelled people like you and I are targeted from the many frustrated members here. I, like you, try to just give my advice and experiences to the mostly, thankful members here. But there will always be the element that despise us. That will always be a puzzle for me because I am the first to admit that it's only because I work for an airline that I have this privilege to visit these places. I will support any action you take to clear your good name and I'm sure the majority of members are behind you. Take care and hopefully we will enjoy your comments for a long time in the future. Regards Lba

[ladyboyadmirer]

Originally Posted by Bionca

Hank. CG has a fantasy and a preference just like every other poster here. I personally find her use of quotation marks around female pronouns a little troubling - particularly given her commant n English.

No Need to leave Hank. SSL was just letting you know that things were getting a little tense in that thread.

Our Bionca rules here Hank, dont leave us for some unknown contributor's dumb remarks

[ladyboyadmirer]

Originally Posted by SSL

hey Hank,

i've sent you a PM and explained why you got this dreadful warning (as you see it has nothing to do with CG or republicans or castration for that matter) and why you saw it several times, this is just the way the forum software works.

Rest assured, i respect your views and never had an intention to kick you off, just do your best to be a little more.. ummm. friendly?

That's nice of you to send that ensuring mail SSL but it shouldn't have come to this. Hank was never unfriendly...maybe some members don't command the English language or are just frustrated. Hope we can all bury the hatchet..or the culprit

[racquel]

Originally Posted by SSL

hey Hank,

i've sent you a PM and explained why you got this dreadful warning (as you see it has nothing to do with CG or republicans or castration for that matter) and why you saw it several times, this is just the way the forum software works.

Rest assured, i respect your views and never had an intention to kick you off, just do your best to be a little more.. ummm. friendly?

Oh my ... crazy GGs and Republicans and castration ... that pretty much sums up my nightmares!

[hankhavelock]

Sometimes, I guess, I just get unreasonably upset... I probably always will. Bear with me, please. To me the entire CONCEPT of transsexuality is just purely innocent and purely good and purely honest, so I get crazy when people just view it as a sexual fetish... my mistake, I guess.

Whatever contributions I've made and will make on this forum are all from my heart and personal experience. I've been blessed with transsexual friends and lovers, and my loyalty belongs to them totally. My loyalty belongs to the whole idea of transsexuality as it does to each transsexual individual I ever meet and met.

It's not easy to be a little tranny in this hetero-restricted world. It's not easy to move a little bit away from the norm. It's not easy to "be yourself" unless you fit the pattern. However, transsexuals DARE! They dare to be whom they truly are, and my respect for not just their philosophical but also their very real courage is tremendouos. Transsexuality is simply so beautiful and the most honest way of self-expression that ever were.

I've learned that over time, and I've also learned that there are so few guys out there who'd actually be open and proud of having a trans*wife. Transsexuality is considered freaky by most - my entire mission (if I have any) is to prove that "consideration" wrong. Yes, there's sexuality in all this, but there certainly is so much more.

That's my case and my story - and I'll stick to it always. Even though I in the process will insult people with visions I personally consider repulsive.

So if you want me around here, then take me as I am, please.

Peace

H

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by CuriousGirl

What if, at the first sign of someone's disagreement I, or anyone else recently joined, bailed at the first sign of something OTHER than applause or approval? This might become a VERY empty hall.
CG

Point taken! I will for ever fight your fetish when I sense it becomes harmful to the individual transsexuals that you might actually be able to sweettalk into such a horrendous arrangement, but you have a valid point.

So no, I won't chicken out - I will stay and challenge your point of view. And if you've read my replies you'd understand my reasoning for being upset with you.

Peace

H

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by racquel

Oh my ... crazy GGs and Republicans and castration ... that pretty much sums up my nightmares!

Mine too...