Barack Obama

[TracyCoxx]

Well at least you're hot.

[TracyCoxx]

Impressive. 50 years ago they made a cartoon about Obama's term.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB6p5QPVhPI

[jenny_jizz]

Originally Posted by randolph

From Greg Laden
According to a Washington Post/ABC poll, only 21% of Americans identify themselves as Republicans. That is getting dangerously close to the percentage of Americans who believe they have seen UFOs or alien craft or have been abducted by aliens. I think they may be the same individuals.

Did that poll mention how many Americans consider themselves as members of a third party or as independents? Because I myself have become fed up with the two mainstream parties in recent years, and I'd assume a number of others have feld the same way.

[XonDemand]

he is doing his job...

can not get any worse

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Impressive. 50 years ago they made a cartoon about Obama's term.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WB6p5QPVhPI

Apparently you are equating Obama's program to communism. Pouring billions of dollars into weak and failing capitalist companies in order to bail out our capitalist system hardly seems communistic.

[transjen]

Was just watching Lou Dobbs on CNN and it sounds like things are slowly picking up but sadly the job market is still lagging but then with all the out sourcing that's not surpising, So looks like Obama's plan is working :D Jennifer

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

Apparently you are equating Obama's program to communism. Pouring billions of dollars into weak and failing capitalist companies in order to bail out our capitalist system hardly seems communistic.

Well, actually that's EXACTLY the definition of why his programs ARE communistic (or socialistic since others like to slap that label on things as well).

Pure and simple: if capitalism was allowed to work -- and given a chance to properly re-balance itself exactly as a capitalistic system SHOULD -- then Obama should NOT be pouring billions of dollars into these "weak and failing companies" you're talking about. Instead, by the pure definition of capitalism, these companies SHOULD be allowed to fail or go under completely -- or at the very least as we're now seeing with Chrysler, be forced into filing for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in order to TRY and survive, but do it through actual across the board reorganization efforts.

For example, and again using Chrysler, instead of wasting billions and billions of taxpayer dollars on them which simply got flushed away for nothing (which is what we've done to date), they should have received NO bailout...they should have been forced into Chapter 11 much sooner...at which point a Bankruptcy Judge would have had the court appointed power to say to all concerned: "Okay, Management, this is what YOU now have to do to save this company, the sacrifices I'm ordering you to make...okay, dealerships, this is what YOU have to do and the sacrifices you have to make...oh, ye! And you Union people, I'm also ordering YOU to renegotiate and restructure your contracts for the same reason. You want to save your jobs, these are the concessions you'll have to make TOO."

Would it have been painful for Chrysler to do a Chapter 11 sooner?
Yes, but look where we are -- we've wasted billions and now we ARE at that same place.

Would it have put people out of work?
Yes, but that is now going to happen ANYWAY.
So again, we've now wasted BILLIONS of dollars simply delaying the inevitable.

Is this the proper way to do things?
Yes, because you're now letting the actual market decide. That's capitalism at work. Well, unless you're like Obama and you believe in propping up companies that continue to manufacture products that nobody wants to buy, so now the government sticks its nose in and says "Ah, fuck it. We'll keep it afloat just for the hell of it. Here, take some free money on us."

And if that's what Obama supporters believe in, please PM me and tell me where I can get or download the filing forms to apply for some of these bailout funds. Because if I knew that I could get free money from the government that would just be given to me to continually produce a product that no one has any interesting in actually buying or owning, I would have gotten in on this gravy train a long time ago!

[transjen]

So bailing out the US automakers is socialism but W bailing out wallstreet wasn't? All that was need was more GOP leadership and Regannogmics after all look what 8 years of deregalation and trickle down did for us Regan's trickle down only lead to a sea of red ink in the 80s and W was even worse but it appears that the GOP is fine with a sea of red ink as long as there is tax cuts for billonairs but the moment a dem gets in power all of a sudden they are worried about the debit

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by transjen

So bailing out the US automakers is socialism but W bailing out wallstreet wasn't?

Except that it's not the same thing, Jen. The core reason for bailing out Wall Street is that it served a UNIVERSAL purpose across the board -- in short, we ALL have money invested in Wall Street (whether you like it or not, things like your pensions and college saving funds and whatnot are back-boned BY Wall Street and as stocks and bonds). Not to mention, we obviously ALL keep our money in banks. So again, you can't let the financial system melt down because of the ripple effect it could have across the ENTIRE economy -- not to mention the fact that MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people would be losing their savings and pensions and whatnot. So propping up the banking system only makes sense. Though I would agree that paying out extravagant bonuses should be cut off. After all, you don't deserve a bonus for "a job well done" if your company is taking billion dollar losses.

ON THE OTHER HAND...if you let companies like Chrysler go under -- or as I noted above simply let them slip into a Chapter 11 for financial protection from creditors while they reorganize themselves -- that serves three purposes.

First, the market is self-correcting itself, which is always the healthiest way to fix an economy.

Second, you're not taking public taxpayer money and using it to prop up a private company. Which is always bad because then you've entered the slippery slope of "Why should my tax dollars go to saving Chrysler? Hey, my local florist shop down the block is going under. So if we're just gonna give out money to businesses that can't sustain themselves...that can't drum up the business they need to stay afloat...then why doesn't he get a few hundred grand from the government to stay in business TOO? Why give Chrysler money, but not the next guy in line?

Answer: Because if you DO give it to the next guy in line, just how long of a line are you intending to create? What is the cut-off point? And, in turn, just how much of the public's taxpayer dollars are you planning to continually spend?

And third, unlike propping up the banks, no one is hurt by Chrysler going under -- well, aside from the actual workers, but that's the price ANY company pays for going under. My point being, there is MORE THAN ENOUGH competition out there, which means that even if Chrysler goes under nobody's buying choices are impeded upon. You will still have PLENTY of choices from whom to buy a car. So the consumer isn't affected either. Hell, look at it this way: the consumer is obviously NOT affected by Chrysler going under since by pure logic the very reason that they are folding is BECAUSE they were building something that no one wanted.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by transjen

All that was need was more GOP leadership and Regannogmics after all look what 8 years of deregalation and trickle down did for us Regan's trickle down only lead to a sea of red ink in the 80s and W was even worse but it appears that the GOP is fine with a sea of red ink as long as there is tax cuts for billonairs but the moment a dem gets in power all of a sudden they are worried about the debit

Reagan inherited one SERIOUSLY fucked-up mess from Jimmy Carter, and yet still turned things around and oversaw one of the largest expansions of economic growth in all of American history. People were HAPPY with the Reagan years, which would explain WHY he won over Carter and only 4 years later won reelection in a 49 state crushing landslide. And keep in mind that to this day, in all polls of the American people, Reagan STILL comes out as one of the top 5 FAVORITE Presidents in all of American history.

Now, did Reagan leave a deficit? Sure he did. But he also had to fix so many of the things that Carter screwed up that he had to spend even as we were growing. But even the amount Reagan left was able to be reigned back in by Clinton and the Newt Gingrich-led GOP Congress, which only goes to show that Reagan deficit was actually something that was manageable. In other words, Reagan spend "about" the right amount. So to compare the Reagan deficit to W. Bush's isn't accurate -- they weren't even in the same league.

Furthermore, if you've followed this thread, you'd see that those of us that are more Conservatively minded WERE mad at W. (and still are) for the spending that he did. Hey, we're playing fair. That's why he pissed us off, too. In the end, Bush spent too much and created a $1 TRILLION dollar deficit all his own.

Of course, right now I'd be ECSTATIC if we only had Bush's deficit to deal with. Because now we've got Obama who is just one year alone...hell, in just the first 4 months of his administration...will now TRIPLE that number to between $2.5 and a full $3 Trillion.

And even more jaw-dropping and truly insane, Obama's economic plan calls for trillion dollar deficits every year for the next 10 years. So if we're gonna do a side-by-side comparison, Bush's ONE trillion deficit compared to Obama's THIRTEEN trillion looks amazingly great right now to a helluva lot of people and economists, most of whom are now actively using the phrase "an unsustainable deficit" because they feel this is all going to come back and SERIOUSLY bite us in the ass over the next decade, as the bills come due on Obama's programs.

So, I'm glad you think CNN told you things are getting better -- but they're not. The only reason Wall Street was up about 200 points today is because the housing market numbers weren't nearly as bad as people expected...the only problem being, the only reason they WERE good is because some of the TARP money was reaching banks (and in turn lenders) to close on pre-existing and outstanding home sale mortgages. The problem with that being that many of the people now getting these bank loans -- in other words, who had their paperwork held up -- are just like the people who got us into the mess to begin with. Namely, they shouldn't be buying homes anyway. So in some regards this is like a dog chasing his own tail and running in circles. Once again, we're only setting ourselves up for another fall down the road.

And the other reason Wall Street was up today was because people were scrambling to scoop up stocks before the Treasury Department officially releases the banking industry "Stress Test" results -- which the Obama crew purposefully held back because it's already been leaked that the banks they tested did NOT do as well as it had been hoped, and thus even MORE tax payer money will probably have to be given to them.

[transjen]

Jimmy Carter recieved the fucked up mess from Ford/ Nixon which you smean to overlook and Regan left a hugh sea of red ink but you say that's fine BUT when Obama recieved his hugh fucked up mess from W and his crew you cry foul because he's spending to much well BS you're pissed off that Obama won and you were the sameway when Clinton won and wecked your dreams of a hundred year reign of straight GOP ruling the whitehouse. Now if trickle down is so wonderful why the mess from W after 8 years of trickle down? Because you can have two wars and only give hugh tax cuts to the super rice and jam it up everyone elses rear end , So fine you hate Obama because he's going to undo every fucked up mess created by W but you have W to thank because he destroyed your party and he's why Obama won hopeful they bring warcrimes up on him Jennifer

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Was just watching Lou Dobbs on CNN and it sounds like things are slowly picking up but sadly the job market is still lagging but then with all the out sourcing that's not surpising, So looks like Obama's plan is working :D Jennifer

Wait till the tax payers get the bill.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

So bailing out the US automakers is socialism but W bailing out wallstreet wasn't?

W shouldn't have had to bail out wall street. This isn't really a capitalistic system though is it? Not after the government has already stepped in and required banks to make loans to minorities who were not able to repay the loans. After that happened, it wasn't purely capitalism anymore.

Originally Posted by transjen

All that was need was more GOP leadership and Regannogmics after all look what 8 years of deregalation and trickle down did for us Regan's trickle down only lead to a sea of red ink in the 80s and W was even worse but it appears that the GOP is fine with a sea of red ink as long as there is tax cuts for billonairs but the moment a dem gets in power all of a sudden they are worried about the debit

Jen, we've already gone over regulation, yet you keep holding on to that myth. Republicans were asking for regulation. Dems didn't want it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hN31-nKndg8

As for the rest, Obama's red ink is 2.5 times greater than the red ink from all of Bush's 8 years - including Bush's wall street bailout. Please explain how this debt is no worse than W's debt?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by transjen

Jimmy Carter recieved the fucked up mess from Ford/ Nixon which you smean to overlook and Regan left a hugh sea of red ink but you say that's fine BUT when Obama recieved his hugh fucked up mess from W and his crew you cry foul because he's spending to much well BS you're pissed off that Obama won and you were the sameway when Clinton won and wecked your dreams of a hundred year reign of straight GOP ruling the whitehouse. Now if trickle down is so wonderful why the mess from W after 8 years of trickle down? Because you can have two wars and only give hugh tax cuts to the super rice and jam it up everyone elses rear end , So fine you hate Obama because he's going to undo every fucked up mess created by W but you have W to thank because he destroyed your party and he's why Obama won hopeful they bring warcrimes up on him Jennifer

Hey Jen,
Very well put!
I love you.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Jimmy Carter recieved the fucked up mess from Ford/ Nixon which you smean to overlook and Regan left a hugh sea of red ink but you say that's fine BUT when Obama recieved his hugh fucked up mess from W and his crew you cry foul because he's spending to much well BS

Originally Posted by randolph

Hey Jen,
Very well put!
I love you.

*** replace the above hypocritical quote with the quotes below and I think you've got it Randolf ***

Yes Jennifer, but...

Originally Posted by randolph

Although I am a democrat, I believe in fiscal conservatism. I hate debt and always made every effort to get out of it as soon as possible. I carefully invested my savings in conservative stocks and real estate. Now I see my efforts going down the tubes because of fiscal incompetence of government, bankers and speculators. Obama's spending program is terrifying and will very likely result in serious inflation (paying off debt with cheaper dollars). This will further reduce the value of my retirement savings.

Originally Posted by randolph

the volume of debt is becoming monstrous. To top it off Obama claims it can be reduced by the end of his first term. That's pure fantasy!

You people provide such great entertainment

[transjen]

The idea that this debt can be paid off by the end of his first term is to silly to comment on and even with a best case serino he'll only mange to pay down half the debt but in realty i think 1/3 is possiable if both parties trim the pork and tell the special intrests groups to shove off, I feel one hugh savings can be made if we stop all perks to illegal aliens we have enought problems helping US citizens, And another way is only giving tax cuts and credits to companies that has they whole work force here in the US keep the jobs here and then you'll collect more tax rev

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

*** replace the above hypocritical quote with the quotes below and I think you've got it Randolf ***

Yes Jennifer, but...

You people provide such great entertainment

Well, I guess that's what we are here for.

Anyway, I read where the current massive spending is a smaller percentage of GNP than what Roosevelt spent in the 1930s. In the 1980s I thought the Reagen debt was the end of the world but Clinton helped clear that up. Supposedly, the recovery from the 1930s depression took so long was that Roosevelt didn't spend enough!

By the way, its fun to chat with intelligent conservatives, they are so rare nowadays.

[randolph]

From Washington Monthly

BEYOND THE ICONS.... In light of the silly Republican in-fighting this week over whether or not to obsess over Ronald Reagan, MSNBC's "First Read" said, "The issue of Reagan reminds us of the Kennedy-obsession Democrats had for decades. One could argue it took the Democrats nearly 30 years to kick the Kennedy habit (maybe longer). So, this Reagan issue may take the Republicans another 10 years to get over."

That's probably a misread on how Dems perceive JFK. Jonathan Chait explained:

The Democratic obsession with the Kennedys is/was primarily stylistic. It recurs whenever a young, stylish presidential candidate makes people feel inspired. It is not, and really never has been, common for Democrats to argue that a certain course of action is wise simply because a Kennedy once advocated it. But Republicans have been doing so with regard to Reagan for twenty years now.

I think that's exactly right. There have been various discussions in Democratic circles over the last couple of decades about the future direction of the party, what policy priorities should be emphasized, how to grow the party, etc. It's exceedingly unusual for party leaders to reference John F. Kennedy as some kind of policy signpost. That's not to say his memory isn't widely revered; it is. But when considering domestic, economic, or foreign affairs, when was the last time a leading Democrat said, "Let's just do what JFK would do if he were here"?

In contrast, for many Republicans, the answer to almost every significant policy and/or political question is, "Follow Reagan." More than two decades after the 40th president left office, the obsession in some corners is kind of creepy, and bears no resemblance to the Democratic affinity for JFK. Kennedy is looked to more as a symbol of inspiration; Reagan is considered some kind of timeless, all-knowing sage. In GOP circles, to reference his name or ideology is to be self-evidently correct.

To borrow "First Read's" word, Democrats have never had this "habit" with regards to Kennedy.

Ramesh Ponnuru suggested this points to a certain vacuity on the left, since conservatives' "reverence for Reagan" is rooted in "philosophical content."

But this misses the point. The left's "philosophical content" is rooted outside the memory of JFK. Some on the left don't even care for Kennedy's approach to policy (see Yglesias, Matt). As Chait added, liberalism's "philosophical content does not consist of latching onto an old president, glossing over the reality of his record, and trying to recreate all of his actions whether or not they have any bearing upon the circumstances of the present day.... The 'philosophical content' of Reagan-worship is a cult-like process for circumscribing original thought."

It's painful to think it "may take the Republicans another 10 years to get over" this, but given what we've seen of late, it may take even longer than that.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

The Democratic obsession with the Kennedys is/was primarily stylistic...

It's exceedingly unusual for party leaders to reference John F. Kennedy as some kind of policy signpost.

When considering domestic, economic, or foreign affairs, when was the last time a leading Democrat said, "Let's just do what JFK would do if he were here"?

In contrast, for many Republicans, the answer to almost every significant policy and/or political question is, "Follow Reagan." More than two decades after the 40th president left office, the obsession in some corners is kind of creepy, and bears no resemblance to the Democratic affinity for JFK.

This post pretty much sums it up. Democrats want a president who makes them feel good. They don't really give a hoot about (or in many cases even comprehend) policy.

And then in contrast, republicans want a president who can get the job done. What is creepy is that the democrats think that is creepy. The presidency is not a popularity contest. The person in office is required to run the largest super power the world has ever known (and btw, there used to be two superpowers before Reagan came along. Think about that.). That is done through policies and leadership. Reagan demonstrated both very well and history shows he is one who got it right.

Originally Posted by randolph

The Democratic obsession with the Kennedys is/was primarily stylistic. It recurs whenever a young, stylish presidential candidate makes people feel inspired.

One could argue it took the Democrats nearly 30 years to kick the Kennedy habit (maybe longer).

Yes definitely much longer. Why do you think they elected Obama... a young stylish presidential candidate? And the vast majority of democrats who elected him could not tell you what is policies were. LOL! Now THAT is creepy.

[transjen]

Gee wasn't everybody saying that W was the man everyone wanted to drink a beer with back in 04 ?

[TracyCoxx]

I give up, what does that have to do with anything being discussed here?

[The Conquistador]

Tracy! It is obvious that you have not seen the glory of our lord and savior Barack Obama!

http://www.nbcwashington.com/news/lo...wn-Speech.html

Until you accept President Zero into your heart, you will not see the candy dreams and promises for a better future through socialism. Silly conservative! Your hard-earned paycheck is for social dregs and degenerates! Obama is your savior! Why else would Jesus not be allowed to bask in his glory?

[franalexes]

I find it odd and refreshing that on a porn site, which one would expect to be liberal, we find little or no support for the annointed one.
I do think the best reason to vote conservative, is now in the WhiteHouse.
As I said, " odd".

[transjen]

Ah yes lets start the great old BS myth the that US is always better off with an good old conservertive in the white house after all look at the wonderful job W did with his 8 yrs a true president zero Jennifer

[randolph]

Not long ago Republicans were saying that we would elect a black President when pigs fly.

Guess what? Swine flu!

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I find it odd and refreshing that on a porn site, which one would expect to be liberal, we find little or no support for the annointed one.
I do think the best reason to vote conservative, is now in the WhiteHouse.
As I said, " odd".

Yes, it is interesting that conservatives are attracted to transsexual porn. Perhaps that is why many Republicans still like Bush, they love getting screwed.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

Ah yes lets start the great old BS myth the that US is always better off with an good old conservertive in the white house after all look at the wonderful job W did with his 8 yrs a true president zero Jennifer

I for one don't like Bush at all. He was a horrible Commander in Chief for me and his policies were at best, crappy. With that said, I have no more love for President Zero than I do for Bush. What pisses me off is all this Obama worship that people engage in; it's absolutely disgusting! He is just a man for fucks sake! Nothing more! It seems that alot of people are blinded by this whole "Ooooh! He's a black guy! His blackness will change the world!" bullshit. The elections are not a damn popularity contest! The elections should be about policy, not who is more photogenic or makes you feel good or whatever. Obama has clearly stated his policies and all his policies stink of expanded government powers and loss of private ownership. His bailouts and "universal healthcare" plans are going to drive this economy down even further and yet everyone is so ready to accept this in the name of change. Good grief! Snap out of it. And this crap about if I'm a conservative, I must love Bush and I must be racist and yadda yadda yadda? Where's the proof? Instead of thinking it in terms of black and white, try thinking of it in terms of the lesser of two evils. If Obama supporters actually took time to look at his proposals, you'd see that he is a wolf in sheeps clothing.

Meh! Whatever floats your boat...

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by transjen

Ah yes lets start the great old BS myth the that US is always better off with an good old conservertive in the white house after all look at the wonderful job W did with his 8 yrs a true president zero Jennifer

But keep something in mind, Jen. As I've noted in passing before, if you read through this thread you'll see that many of us here who lean to the Right have ALSO criticized Bush for NOT being a true Conservative. So when you mockingly say "we were better off when it was a Conservative in the White House", many of us will reply "You're right. Too bad we haven't actually had one in the White House in ages!"

Bush's problem was that he tried to placate things too much towards the middle. And more often than not, he didn't even go to the middle, but instead crossed over to the Left by allowing the Democratically controlled Congress to do whatever it wanted the last few years he was in office. Case in point: he allowed them to spend money like no tomorrow and he never stood up like a TRUE conservative and vetoed a single penny of it. He just let all that money go out the door and never once opposed the Democrats the way many of us -- the true conservatives -- wanted him to do.

And THAT'S why so many people became disillusioned by the Republicans in the last election. In the end, they had no real choice. Both the Right AND the Left have seemingly decided that they're both in favor of big government no matter what...they're willing to spend all of our tax dollars no matter what (and then some!)...and THAT'S what has left people feeling angry and left out, which is why you're seeing a slow burning anger beginning to build, not to mention the shifts in the polls.

Plus, that's why so many people have switched their party affiliations to become Independents instead. In fact, both the Republicans and, yes, even the Democrats even though they're in power right now should be worrying BIG TIME that people changing their party affiliations to become registered Independents instead is the fastest growing movement of all. And keep in mind that far more Republicans have switched than Democrats, which means the far greater number of those Independents DO actually lean to the Right -- they're just not happy with the way things are going.

Which is why Obama has so far been smart enough to realize that he's going to have to piss off the Left a bit and do certain things that they object to, because he knows this ever-growing Independent base is what he's going to desperately need to get reelected. The truth is the Independents are going to be the true deciding factor in all national elections for quite some time to come.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

Yes, it is interesting that conservatives are attracted to transsexual porn.
Perhaps that is why many Republicans still like Bush, they love getting screwed.

This isn't about Republicans. The truth is pretty soon EVERYONE is going to discover a newfound love for transsexual porn. Because once America gets the tab for the $13 TRILLION deficit that the Obama budgets are now setting into place across the next 10 years...and once America has to finally pay those bills all on its own because no one will lend us any more money...everyone is REALLY going to know what taking it up the ass truly feels like!

Which means things will never seem brighter for stars like Areeya or Amy or Kimber James or whoever is your favorite.
After all, they'll be the new cult figures to represent our economy!

[transjen]

Back it up Chatlie Bush in his last two years was always saying if such and such goes thru he'll VETO IT the only things he signed was items he wanted, I know you and Rush are trying to shift all the blame and you all want another idiot in the white house aka Sarah or Jed but try as you may it won't work if the GOP ever wants a true chance the need to leave the far right and tread more to the middle and talk about true plans to balance the budget secure the boarders and Sarah and Jeb are not the voices to do it nor or your Regancrats , you have such a voice running in 08 but none of your party would listen or vote for him his name is Ron Paul. S.I.G Jennifer

[person123]

mr barack could be working for the illuminati. his actions will speak louder than words

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Ah yes lets start the great old BS myth the that US is always better off with an good old conservertive in the white house after all look at the wonderful job W did with his 8 yrs a true president zero Jennifer

Strawman argument. Bush isn't a true conservative. Neither are many of the GOP unfortunately. That's why there's the discontent with the GOP right now.

Conservatism represents moderation, practicality, prudence, and cautious consideration of action based on known facts.

Current day politicians who call themselves "conservative" typically act based on immediate feelings rather than temperance and reasoning from good evidence to action. The Bush administration allowed the market to run free yet undermined freedom of privacy, and religion. The Bush administration has restricted the 4th Amendment right against warrantless searches, opened medical records, fostered the funding of religions in the name of "faith based initiatives," and ordered intrusive background checks on government employees in non-sensitive positions.

He also had no problem in changing the constitution, and has called it just a piece of paper. He was a failure at securing the borders.

Then there's the wall street bailout. That is not something conservatives do, although you could say that the financial situation needed to be rescued because of liberal tampering (i.e. the Community Reinvestment Act).

Originally Posted by person123

mr barack could be working for the illuminati. his actions will speak louder than words

Illuminati? I always think 'Crackpot' when I hear that word.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

This isn't about Republicans. The truth is pretty soon EVERYONE is going to discover a newfound love for transsexual porn. Because once America gets the tab for the $13 TRILLION deficit that the Obama budgets are now setting into place across the next 10 years...and once America has to finally pay those bills all on its own because no one will lend us any more money...everyone is REALLY going to know what taking it up the ass truly feels like!

Which means things will never seem brighter for stars like Areeya or Amy or Kimber James or whoever is your favorite.
After all, they'll be the new cult figures to represent our economy!

Well, OK! I'll take Vanity anytime over Cheney.

Humm, I need to figure out how to get multiple quotes on a post.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Strawman argument. Bush isn't a true conservative. Neither are many of the GOP unfortunately. That's why there's the discontent with the GOP right now.

Conservatism represents moderation, practicality, prudence, and cautious consideration of action based on known facts.

Current day politicians who call themselves "conservative" typically act based on immediate feelings rather than temperance and reasoning from good evidence to action. The Bush administration allowed the market to run free yet undermined freedom of privacy, and religion. The Bush administration has restricted the 4th Amendment right against warrantless searches, opened medical records, fostered the funding of religions in the name of "faith based initiatives," and ordered intrusive background checks on government employees in non-sensitive positions.

He also had no problem in changing the constitution, and has called it just a piece of paper. He was a failure at securing the borders.

Then there's the wall street bailout. That is not something conservatives do, although you could say that the financial situation needed to be rescued because of liberal tampering (i.e. the Community Reinvestment Act).


Illuminati? I always think 'Crackpot' when I hear that word.

Hey Tracy,
I voted for Eisenhower and I would have voted for Colin Powell if he had run.
They are true Republicans.

[randolph]

My Dad used to sing this song during the Depression.

The version published in 1908 goes:

Why don't you work like other folks do?
How the hell can I work when there's no work to do?

Refrain
Hallelujah, I'm a bum,
Hallelujah, bum again,
Hallelujah, give us a handout
To revive us again.

Oh, why don't you save all the money you earn?
If I didn't eat, I'd have money to burn.

Whenever I get all the money I earn,
The boss will be broke, and to work he must turn.

Oh, I like my boss, he's a good friend of mine,
That's why I am starving out on the bread line.

When springtime it comes, oh, won't we have fun;
We'll throw off our jobs, and go on the bum.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Humm, I need to figure out how to get multiple quotes on a post.

It's black magic.

Originally Posted by randolph

Hey Tracy,
I voted for Eisenhower and I would have voted for Colin Powell if he had run.
They are true Republicans.

Eisenhower was before my time, but Powell did look good for a while until he threw his hat in the ring with Obama. I wonder what true republican attributes Powell saw in Obama? Any idea?

Originally Posted by randolph

My Dad used to sing this song during the Depression.

I'll be singing these songs in the depression Obama creates...

Originally Posted by Kinks

I was born in a welfare state
Ruled by bureaucracy
Controlled by civil servants
And people dressed in grey
Got no privacy got no liberty
Cos the twentieth century people
Took it all away from me.

Originally Posted by Rush (not limbaugh)

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream 'Oppression!'
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
'The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light'
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe and saw

Originally Posted by Oingo Boingo

There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with free enterprise
Don't try to make me feel guilty
I'm so tired of hearing you cry
There's nothing wrong with making some profit
If you ask me I'll say it's just fine
There's nothing wrong with wanting to live nice
I'm so tired of hearing you whine
About the revolution
Bringin' down the rich
When was the last time you dug a ditch, baby!
If it ain't one thing
Then it's the other
Any cause that crosses your path
Your heart bleeds for anyone's brother
I've got to tell you you're a pain in the ass
You criticize with plenty of vigor
You rationalize everything that you do
With catchy phrases and heavy quotations
And everybody is crazy but you
You're just a middle class, socialist brat
From a suburban family and you never really had to work
And you tell me that we've got to get back
To the struggling masses (whoever they are)
You talk, talk, talk about suffering and pain
Your mouth is bigger than your entire brain
What the hell do you know about suffering and pain . . .
(Repeat first verse)
(Repeat chorus)
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism
There's nothing wrong with Capitalism

Originally Posted by Rolling Stones

You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
You can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes well you just might find
You get what you need
Oh baby, yeah, yeah!

Originally Posted by Rainmakers

Give a man a free house and he'll bust out the windows
Put his family on food stamps, now he's a big spender
no food on the table and the bills ain't paid
'Cause he spent it on cigarettes and P.G.A.
They'll turn us all into beggars 'cause they're easier to please
They're feeding our people that Government Cheese

Give a man a free lunch and he'll figure out a way
To steal more than he can eat 'cause he doesn't have to pay
Give a woman free kids and you'll find them in the dirt
Learning how to carry on the family line of work
It's the man in the White House, the man under the steeple
Passing out drugs to the American people
I don't believe in anything, nothing is free
They're feeding our people the Government Cheese

Decline and fall, fall down baby
Decline and fall, said fall way down now
Decline and fall, fall down little mama
Decline and fall, decline and fall

Give a man a free ticket on a dead end ride
And he'll climb in the back even though nobody's driving
Too fuckin lazy to crawl out of the wreck
And he'll rot there while he waits for the welfare check
Going to hell in a handbag, can't you see
I ain't gonna eat no Government Cheese

Originally Posted by The Proclaimers

Everybody's a victim
Seems we're going that way
Everybody's a victim
We're becoming like the USA

Wear a ribbon for this
Hug a stranger for that
Light a candle to the dead
And soon you'll forget
That you ever had
A brain inside our head
We value everythin the same
We turn it into farce
So we don't know a crisis
'Till it kicks us up the arse
Because...

Everybody's a victim
Seems we're going that way
Everybody's a victim
We're becoming like the USA
Everybody's a victim
Seems we're going that way
Everybody's a victim
We're becoming like the USA

[randolph]

OK since we are into poetry today, here is one of my favorites.

Bob Dylan
Masters of War

Come you masters of war
You that build all the guns
You that build the death planes
You that build all the bombs
You that hide behind walls
You that hide behind desks
I just want you to know
I can see through your masks.

You that never done nothin'
But build to destroy
You play with my world
Like it's your little toy
You put a gun in my hand
And you hide from my eyes
And you turn and run farther
When the fast bullets fly.

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe
But I see through your eyes
And I see through your brain
Like I see through the water
That runs down my drain.

You fasten all the triggers
For the others to fire
Then you set back and watch
When the death count gets higher
You hide in your mansion'
As young people's blood
Flows out of their bodies
And is buried in the mud.

You've thrown the worst fear
That can ever be hurled
Fear to bring children
Into the world
For threatening my baby
Unborn and unnamed
You ain't worth the blood
That runs in your veins.

How much do I know
To talk out of turn
You might say that I'm young
You might say I'm unlearned
But there's one thing I know
Though I'm younger than you
That even Jesus would never
Forgive what you do.

Let me ask you one question
Is your money that good
Will it buy you forgiveness
Do you think that it could
I think you will find
When your death takes its toll
All the money you made
Will never buy back your soul.

And I hope that you die
And your death'll come soon
I will follow your casket
In the pale afternoon
And I'll watch while you're lowered
Down to your deathbed
And I'll stand over your grave
'Til I'm sure that you're dead.

[CreativeMind]

Originally Posted by randolph

OK since we are into poetry today, here is one of my favorites...

Ohhh! Well, if we're doing poetry, I've got one to share, too!
>cough cough< (clearing throat)

There once was a man from Nantucket...

Oh, wait. Wrong one.
Let me check my notes again...

[JenniferParisFan]

I never can understand why everybody is so obsessed with politics. We're only on this world for a short period of time and no matter what we do, good or bad, the world keeps spinning and the human race survives. For me the only way I would ever get seriously involved in politics is if there was a real need for revolution.

That being said I still enjoy reading everyone's opinions and often hope that I could feel so strongly about politics as you do. So thanks and keep up the good work.

Oh and I voted for Obama and I'm from one of the most "racist" states in the US, Indiana, so if he does end up destroying this country, as most of the conservatives i know seem to think he's going to do, then you can blame me for it if you want to. And one final thing, I absolutely hate it when people already start to judge Obama and his policies before they even go into affect. They aren't changing anything and to me it seems like they just want to be able to say, "I told you so" just incase his plans dont work as well as he thought they would.

But everyone is entitled to their own opinion, so don't let mine or anyone else's by themselves change yours. First get all of the facts and then decide for yourself.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by CreativeMind

Ohhh! Well, if we're doing poetry, I've got one to share, too!
>cough cough< (clearing throat)

There once was a man from Nantucket...

Oh, wait. Wrong one.
Let me check my notes again...

OK I'll bite (cough)
There once was a man from Nantucket
who found a golden bucket
Madoff by name he gained lots of fame
when people filled his bucket
he managed to tucket
where nobody knew his game
he was their pappy
keeping everyone happy
until the market turned crappy
the bucket went dry
and people began to cry
Oh pappy oh pappy where did you tucket

(I hope Fran doesn't read this!)

[transjen]

These same people were yelling the same thing when Clinton beat the first Bush back in 92, Just replace there fears of Clinton with Obama and it the same claims differnt name that's all Jennifer

[TracyCoxx]

No, actually I was neutral on that one.

[randolph]

Creative Mind got me thinking about the GOP,s standing.
Some people say its so bad that it has become a "cult". I am concerned, we need a strong counter to the Democrats proclivity to spend, spend,spend. I am a populist but it needs to be regulated just like the capitalists need to be regulated. So what can be done to rehabilitate the GOP? They need a candidate that can defuse the big social issues (i.e. gay marriage, abortion). They need a candidate that would appeal to the independent crowd.
A gay candidate is unlikely to go very far. A lesbian is also unlikely to gain much support. So how about a transsexual? A strong intelligent transsexual would appeal to the secret desires of many men, women, conservatives and liberals alike. So who would be a likely candidate? She should be intelligent, witty, willing to kick ass and of course, good looking. Humm, I am thinking of a feisty redhead that doesn't hesitant to flame when necessary. Not only that, she likes guns and trucks! Of course, our darling Fran would fit the bill nicely. Sarah Palin you are toast.

[The Conquistador]

I second that nomination!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Creative Mind got me thinking about the GOP,s standing.
Some people say its so bad that it has become a "cult". I am concerned, we need a strong counter to the Democrats proclivity to spend, spend,spend. I am a populist but it needs to be regulated just like the capitalists need to be regulated. So what can be done to rehabilitate the GOP?

I think you're right. No matter what side you're on, it's good to have at least two parties to keep each other in check. The repubs are little yapping chihuahuas now and the dems are clearly taking advantage of the one party government they're in now.

After Bush was elected in 2000, the dems were devastated and it seemed like they would never find their way, but they did. Perhaps the same will happen to the repubs. Either that or the conservatives will have to recreate what they had without the republicans, which I hope they can pull off.

Originally Posted by randolph

They need a candidate that can defuse the big social issues (i.e. gay marriage, abortion). They need a candidate that would appeal to the independent crowd.
A gay candidate is unlikely to go very far. A lesbian is also unlikely to gain much support. So how about a transsexual? A strong intelligent transsexual would appeal to the secret desires of many men, women, conservatives and liberals alike. So who would be a likely candidate? She should be intelligent, witty, willing to kick ass and of course, good looking. Humm, I am thinking of a feisty redhead that doesn't hesitant to flame when necessary. Not only that, she likes guns and trucks! Of course, our darling Fran would fit the bill nicely. Sarah Palin you are toast.

Although I do not normally base my vote on which minority hasn't held the office yet (that's why we're in the mess we're in now) Fran would certainly have my vote! I get dibs on being her intern though

[bsexy]

Barack is great, rocky road to travel though.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by bsexy

Barack is great, rocky road to travel though.

Ah, you must be talking about his basketball skills.

[randolph]

The Govt. is debating whether to give the fired CEO of GM a severance pay of twenty million dollars! So what did we vote for anyway? All the guys that screwed up the economy (except Madoff) are being rewarded! I am beginning to think Obama is a closet Republican.

[TracyCoxx]

Obama makes the very irresponsible statement:

Originally Posted by BO

you can't get corporate jets. You can't go take a trip to Las Vegas or go down to the Super Bowl on the taxpayer's dime

Why not? There are many conventions there where businesses go to stay up to date with the latest in their field, make partnerships, and find customers. This was seen by many as a message to companies across the nation to stay away from Las Vegas for corporate meetings and conventions.

The Las Vegas Convention and Visitors Authority reports over 400 conventions and business meetings scheduled to take place in Las Vegas recently have canceled, translating into 111,800 guests and 250,000 "room-nights". The canceled events cost the Las Vegas economy over $100 million, not including gaming revenue.

BTW... Obama is having a political fundraiser later this month. Where would that be? Las Vegas. What an ass.


In other news, looks like the senate isn't going along with Obama's Ready Fire Aim approach to closing Gitmo. They have denied the closing of Gitmo with a vote of 94-3 LMAO!!! This whole thing has been a complete joke. Early in his presidency, BO says he's going to close the facility. Then they're scratching their heads trying to figure out exactly how this will be done, and where will they put the inmates.

And FYI, we're no longer fighting a Global War on Terror. It's a uhhhh... "overseas contingency operation".
And terrorist attacks are now to be referred to as "man-caused disasters". Is this what they're wasting their time with?

[transjen]

To all the Obama haters out there you now know how much of America felt from 01 to 08 when we had to put up with KING GEORGE, Obama was not my pick for the job but he's better then the last Bozo king George who flushed the US down the craper, He has a hugh mess to fix plus two wars to fight, All i hear is name calling stampping feet and bitchin about higher taxes, No one likes higher taxes but whats your answer? Keep cutting taxes on the rich? Well King George did that and started two wars of which only one was called for , You can't fight two wars and cut taxes wake up and smell the coffee and face facts the party is over and now it's time to pay the piper Jennifer