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Wendy,
Thank you, Classy Lady. It is nice to hear from you on this matter. Your input was very well put, and I couldn't agree with you more.

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seanchi, I would like to apologize for taking offense at your tone. I did do the google search you suggested. OOPS! I quickly saw part of our problem. It's that Scots-Irish heritage which we share. Not the most diplomatic people in the world are we? I am glad that this discussion did not get as hot as some board exchanges(wars?) I saw. I still have a problem seeing that the amount of traffic in pics here is a serious problem. I will say that there maybe was a problem with several threads though. Having an engineering background, I do notice numbers. And I had noticed the very high number of visits to the Harley thread. Since you have removed the majority of the pics, I was unable to assertain how many downloads there have been. Of the pics remaining, the high number was 353, with the majority falling under 100 views(downloads). The high count downloaded pic suggests that maybe it was just the tip of an iceberg and that many of the removed pics had a higher download number. It is still debatable how many of those "grabs" resulted in lost sales for you. There are some other threads that do have relatively high download counts, but in general, most pics here do not. A lot of this is due to the way download restrictions are. There are less than 180 members who have posts of over 100 and I suspect many of them, like me, don't download many pics here.
Then there are the numbers of who is here on the home page. At the present moment as I write this, there are 19 members and 59 guests here. Since guests are unable to download pics; their presence, while contributing to the count for thread visits, do not count any for downloaded pics. All they can do here is read the posts, save small pics, and follow links posted here. I can readily see where links to sites that do post massive amounts of "stolen material" is a matter of deep concern to producers, not only in your field, but in all areas. I don't envy you - your problems there.

Summation - I don't see pic posting here as a big problem for you. As has been stated, they are also a promotion for your sites, not as good as your promo galleries, but a promotion nevertheless. There may need to be a modification of the rules here regarding posting. As it is, sometimes you have one member posting pics from a set, and then another member posts more pics from the same set, and then another.... Not good! Perhaps we need a modification in the rules regarding this. Perhaps the mods and the big boss could come up with something there.

I wish you the best of luck in your fight and like I said before - I don't envy you your problems. And I certainly don't envy your position as moderator - you can ask SSL about that.
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C'mon... really? Do I really need to explain why this is simply an unreasonable and impossible expectation? Are you really the bronzed beauty that is your avatar?

We site owners take it on good faith that you're going to use our sites in accordance to the TERMS and CONDITIONS just as people who join sites take it on good faith that they're going to get their monies worth. Most people do follow the rules.
Of course it is an unreasonable expectation - as unreasonable as expecting free sets on a Pay-site not to go wandering off into the WWW whole or in part to become available to eager porn-hunters. I think all I'm saying is that the responsibility for monitoring and preventing such abuse is two-sided, and that an appeal for principled rehandling of material is a bit like farting upwind.

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Of course it is an unreasonable expectation - as unreasonable as expecting free sets on a Pay-site not to go wandering off into the WWW whole or in part to become available to eager porn-hunters.
The two are NOT equitable for the simple reason that one is proactive and the other is very active. We, as site owners, proactively state and ask people that when they join our sites, download all the content you want during the length of your subscription for PERSONAL use but DO NOT repost, exhibit, or transmit it anywhere else. It is a statement / request that is agreed to upon joining the site, regardless if you read the full terms and conditions or not (mortgage foreclosure anyone?).

The other is an ACTIVE premeditated CHOICE to post pictures that you know you don't have full permission to post in a public setting.

You cannot logically compare the two.

Our expectations as site owners are extremely reasonable. Exhibit some self control and don't post what doesn't belong to you, intellectually or artistically. Or, repost it within reason once you do have permission (i.e. - an affiliate). If you can't do that... then don't join the site.
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Ok, for all of those crying how people here don't cause a problem:
http://forum.transladyboy.com/showth...153#post111153

This poster, posted 30 images from a set we put up on our new site ShemalePornstar.com on Friday. We haven't promoted in anywhere other than the 5 images on the preview page, there are not images of the set been given out yet this poster, took 15 fantastic images and posted them, followed by another post of 15 images including some of the best shots.

If you don't think that's got the potential to hurt our business, then your wrong.
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I have to say I am, like Jenae, somewhat puzzled as to what the qualifications are for a member to become a Moderator. It would seem no co-incidence that Seanchai got himself appointed Moderator for Freebies. As such I can hardly think he can claim to be impartial ( an absolute pre-requisite, I would have thought ), without vested interests.
I've had mod. status here almost all of this year. You'd have to ask the owner why.
I will say, I've no interest in moderaring anything other than stolen content or links to stolen content.

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One aspect which seems to me curious. It seems that Seanchai is against members of this Forum liberally posting pictures which have already been downladed by paid-up members of any of his listed sites. Surely it is up to him to identify and contact those paid-up members who have made available the sets for free. Clearly their paid for membership makes them feel entitled to do what they want with the pictures. Make no mistake about it, these pictures were not 'stolen ' form the sites in the first place, so how can members of this Forum be accused by Seanchai of handling ' stolen goods '?
Surely even a Yorkshireman can't be that clueless? This doesn't even deserve an answer. UPLOADED content is the responbility of the uploader and the site. Our sites have clear rules and Terms of Service.

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Not really.
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Of course it is an unreasonable expectation - as unreasonable as expecting free sets on a Pay-site not to go wandering off into the WWW whole or in part to become available to eager porn-hunters. I think all I'm saying is that the responsibility for monitoring and preventing such abuse is two-sided, and that an appeal for principled rehandling of material is a bit like farting upwind.
If you are happy to see a business you love and content you feel very strongly for, be decimated and spread around for free, to see the potential of your livlihood and the many employees worldwide go down the drain and to have the threat of not producing the content that the models and producers want to do, because some ill-mannered, inconsidate, internet heroes wish to repost it - then bully for you. I'm not. If it upsets a few people, it's nothing new. It's certainly not farting upwind, which is why we're one of the few companies surviving when many have failed.
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Jenae
After only just returning home after many years living abroad and even more years on the internet, I know it's a thin line in text compared to a much broader one verbally.

Respectfully, you can quote numbers to me all night ... if this forum had 5 members posting multiple sets, we'd still have a problem. This is not the only TG forum we work with, practically every decent forum out there we've had an agreement with and it's nothing new with this forum. Only when I returned from being away from the trip, did I notice to the extent some threads had gotten out of hand (incl. one posted today - see above).

If I hadn't made a notification, 95% of people probably wouldn't have realised we were asking for content to be deleted. However, given the fact that I will be watching more actively what's going up, in an effort to save my time and to be transparant, I made the requests.


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Wendy,
Thank you, Classy Lady. It is nice to hear from you on this matter. Your input was very well put, and I couldn't agree with you more.

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seanchi, I would like to apologize for taking offense at your tone. I did do the google search you suggested. OOPS! I quickly saw part of our problem. It's that Scots-Irish heritage which we share. Not the most diplomatic people in the world are we? I am glad that this discussion did not get as hot as some board exchanges(wars?) I saw. I still have a problem seeing that the amount of traffic in pics here is a serious problem. I will say that there maybe was a problem with several threads though. Having an engineering background, I do notice numbers. And I had noticed the very high number of visits to the Harley thread. Since you have removed the majority of the pics, I was unable to assertain how many downloads there have been. Of the pics remaining, the high number was 353, with the majority falling under 100 views(downloads). The high count downloaded pic suggests that maybe it was just the tip of an iceberg and that many of the removed pics had a higher download number. It is still debatable how many of those "grabs" resulted in lost sales for you. There are some other threads that do have relatively high download counts, but in general, most pics here do not. A lot of this is due to the way download restrictions are. There are less than 180 members who have posts of over 100 and I suspect many of them, like me, don't download many pics here.
Then there are the numbers of who is here on the home page. At the present moment as I write this, there are 19 members and 59 guests here. Since guests are unable to download pics; their presence, while contributing to the count for thread visits, do not count any for downloaded pics. All they can do here is read the posts, save small pics, and follow links posted here. I can readily see where links to sites that do post massive amounts of "stolen material" is a matter of deep concern to producers, not only in your field, but in all areas. I don't envy you - your problems there.

Summation - I don't see pic posting here as a big problem for you. As has been stated, they are also a promotion for your sites, not as good as your promo galleries, but a promotion nevertheless. There may need to be a modification of the rules here regarding posting. As it is, sometimes you have one member posting pics from a set, and then another member posts more pics from the same set, and then another.... Not good! Perhaps we need a modification in the rules regarding this. Perhaps the mods and the big boss could come up with something there.

I wish you the best of luck in your fight and like I said before - I don't envy you your problems. And I certainly don't envy your position as moderator - you can ask SSL about that.
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Absolute rubbish. Go read the law before you bother posting.
Hi there.

I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT THE LAW, I WAS TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS GOING ON, AND HOW THINGS ARE.

GRAB A BRAIN, WILL YA!


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HAS to be said is that everything that is posted on the internet becomes de facto public domain, so copyrights are a bit of a non issue
So basically, you just made that up? It has no legal grounds or precedent?

I heard your brain was missing so maybe I'll grab that for a laugh or too.
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So basically, you just made that up? It has no legal grounds or precedent?

I heard your brain was missing so maybe I'll grab that for a laugh or too.
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I see i have used BIG words you do not understand, "de facto" means; in effect, or by default, and i didn't make it up, it is a fact, when you place a file on the internet, that ostrich you posted for example, the person who took it posted it on the internet, then you found it, and you reposted it here, the guy who posted it no longer had ANY control over it is now public domain, if he wanted to delete every copy of it could he? No, because it is no longer his to control, the one in your cpu is now yours, not his anymore, wheather he put it up for pay or free, remember; ownership is 90% of the law.

That is the REALITY of the internet, and no law will change that, not even software, it may make it a bit more complicated but it will not change.


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I see i have used BIG words you do not understand, "de facto" means; in effect, or by default, and i didn't make it up, it is a fact, when you place a file on the internet, that ostrich you posted for example, the person who took it posted it on the internet, then you found it, and you reposted it here, the guy who posted it no longer had ANY control over it is now public domain, if he wanted to delete every copy of it could he? No, because it is no longer his to control, the one in your cpu is now yours, not his anymore, wheather he put it up for pay or free, remember; ownership is 90% of the law.

That is the REALITY of the internet, and no law will change that, not even software, it may make it a bit more complicated but it will not change.


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I understand big words, "de facto" is two small words - and yes this, theory of yours holds no weight.
What a crock of shit, I even stated the ostrich was copyrighted to the original.
Your just an idiot - THAT is the reality.
Unbelievable.

Simple fact is, John. You can't post the content. Take it or leave it.
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I understand big words, "de facto" is two small words - and yes this, theory of yours holds no weight.
What a crock of shit, I even stated the ostrich was copyrighted to the original.
Your just an idiot - THAT is the reality.
Unbelievable.

Simple fact is, John. You can't post the content. Take it or leave it.
Hi all.

I see the old saying "There is none blinder than the one who doesn't want to see" is true.

And "his" theory is not a theory is is a FACT, you may ask to have the content removed, or even threaten to sue, but in the end it is still up to the owners and operators of the site to decide to keep or remove the posted content.

And if i had to choose the idiot between you Seanchai and JohnDowe i would pick you Seanchai.


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And "his" theory is not a theory is is a FACT, you may ask to have the content removed, or even threaten to sue, but in the end it is still up to the owners and operators of the site to decide to keep or remove the posted content.
Threaten to sue? Or sue? Or just go directly to the server company.
Whatever twist you want to put on it, it's illegal.

Regardless of any further idiotic arguments, I think I've made myself available for this topic to run it's course so rather than devolve it into a slanging match, we'll leave it here.

Our statements are clear enough on what we need to be done.
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Threaten to sue? Or sue? Or just go directly to the server company.
Whatever twist you want to put on it, it's illegal.

Regardless of any further idiotic arguments, I think I've made myself available for this topic to run it's course so rather than devolve it into a slanging match, we'll leave it here.

Our statements are clear enough on what we need to be done.
Hi there.

Go ahead, run away, since you see that you CAN'T win.

And the server company shouldn't even be part of this because they are only ofering the internet hosting, and they have NOTHING to do with this site otherwise.

It would be illegal for them to remove the material without the consent of their customer, namely the owners and operators of this site.

And to see someone who uses the internet as his work and doesn't underatand it, now that's unbelievable.


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Hi there.

Go ahead, run away, since you see that you CAN'T win.

And the server company shouldn't even be part of this because they are only ofering the internet hosting, and they have NOTHING to do with this site otherwise.

It would be illegal for them to remove the material without the consent of their customer, namely the owners and operators of this site.

And to see someone who uses the internet as his work and doesn't underatand it, now that's unbelievable.


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I'm not going anywhere John.
It wouldn't be illegal, we have sites closed by servers all the time, when notifiying them of stolen content and official DMCa notifications, it's not illegal. Wake the fuck up. We know what we're doing - you obviously are basing your comments on your own opinion - and not what actually happens.
I've no need to make unsubstantiated comments, this is just daily business for me, nothing new.
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Hi there.

I was going to ansewer you, but i don't want to fan the flames, anyway you got what you wanted, only 3 pics from pay sites, what else do you want?

And the internet is public domain, it isn't just my opinion, look it up.


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Hi there.

I was going to ansewer you, but i don't want to fan the flames, anyway you got what you wanted, only 3 pics from pay sites, what else do you want?

And the internet is public domain, it isn't just my opinion, look it up.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain

"The public domain is a range of abstract materials-commonly referred to as intellectual property-which are not owned or controlled by anyone. The term indicates that these materials are therefore "public property", and available for anyone to use for any purpose. The public domain can be defined in contrast to several forms of intellectual property; the public domain in contrast to copyrighted works is different from the public domain in contrast to trademarks or patented works. Furthermore, the laws of various countries define the scope of the public domain differently, making it necessary to specify which jurisdiction's public domain is being discussed.

The public domain is most often discussed in contrast to works whose use is restricted by copyright. Under modern law, most original works of art, literature, music, etc. are covered by copyright from the time of their creation for a limited period of time (which varies by country). When the copyright expires, the work enters the public domain. It is estimated that currently, of all the books found in the world's libraries, only about 15% are in the public domain, even though only 10% of all books are still in print; the remaining 75% are books which remain unavailable because they are still under copyright protection.[1]

The public domain can also be defined in contrast to trademarks. Names, logos, and other identifying marks used in commerce can be restricted as proprietary trademarks for a single business to use. Trademarks can be maintained indefinitely, but they can also lapse through disuse, negligence, or widespread misuse, and enter the public domain. It is possible, however, for a lapsed trademark to become proprietary again, leaving the public domain."
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ask: in the news-groups are galleries with more than 15. how it behaves there
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ask: in the news-groups are galleries with more than 15. how it behaves there
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Not quite sure what you're asking here... but, if my assumptions are correct, it seems you are asking what about newsgroups?

Newsgroups are a whole other ballgame and cannot be compared to Forums with moderation. Obviously, they are pretty difficult to police and hey, if you want to download stuff from there with the risk of trojans and viruses... more power to you.
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I see i have used BIG words you do not understand, "de facto" means; in effect, or by default, and i didn't make it up...
Was busy over the weekend but nice to come back and see the silliness continues here...

Actually, you did make your definition of 'De Facto' up. It does NOT mean 'in effect' or 'by default' as you postulate. And, before you go shooting your mouth off, I have studied both Latin and law so, yes, I can speak on this matter.

De Facto is a legal term (thus, separating it from the context is, in itself, an improper usage of the term) meaning something that has no legal establishment but is generally accepted as true. The very fact that Copyright laws exist render your argument completely illogical from the start.

To state that any material posted on the Internet becomes De Facto Public Domain and have that statement be true, no other laws concerning the subject would have to exist and it would have to be generally accepted as true that Copyright Laws don't apply to the Internet. Both of these statements are FALSE.

Imagine standing before a judge and saying that you robbing banks is de facto OK because it has been done before. Or, try opening your own brand of Burger King and using their trademark / copyright and telling the judge, 'Well, it's on the Internet so it must be de facto public domain...' Let me know how that works out for you. He would laugh in your face and send you back to law 101. Before you start hurling insults at people and misusing terms you don't fully understand... How's about educating yourself a little more about what you're thinking of speaking about?

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Not quite sure what you're asking here... but, if my assumptions are correct, it seems you are asking what about newsgroups?

Newsgroups are a whole other ballgame and cannot be compared to Forums with moderation. Obviously, they are pretty difficult to police and hey, if you want to download stuff from there with the risk of trojans and viruses... more power to you.
I want to put it more clearly:
The news-group server thwarting the requirement of the industry to limitation. copyright as defined in the internet unclear.
Seanchai says what is clear. who wants to keep customers, it must treat them fairly. Otherwise they are looking for other opportunities. friendly greetings
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Summation - I don't see pic posting here as a big problem for you. As has been stated, they are also a promotion for your sites, not as good as your promo galleries, but a promotion nevertheless. There may need to be a modification of the rules here regarding posting. As it is, sometimes you have one member posting pics from a set, and then another member posts more pics from the same set, and then another.... Not good! Perhaps we need a modification in the rules regarding this. Perhaps the mods and the big boss could come up with something there.
Truly, I find your excuses completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. Let's see...

The request was made for people to exhibit some respect and self-control and limit posting pictures to 3 pictures from one set. This you answer by compiling data and statistics with the effort to show that there are few potential members here on this Forum and stating that it's all in the name of advertising?

Irrelevant to the original request. Who cares about your data and statistics which, to me, only show the narcissistic tendencies you seem to exhibit on a regular basis? The original point was, posting of content is getting out of hand and in a fair attempt at compromise and avoiding further action, 3 pictures was put forth as a limit. How does the potential member base here or the efficacy of advertising have any relevancy to the original topic?

You hurl unfounded insults to someone and then offer a backhanded apology (if you can call it that) and then further try to confuse the original issue?

Seriously, folks, I'm all for lively debate and will gladly take the time to explain my points of view. But let's not muddle the waters with insults and irrelevant points. I have yet to see someone respond logically to the points I have offered here without digressing into a 3rd grade, 'Well you're stupid' mentality (with the one possible exception of Be_my_nude).
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The news-group server thwarting the requirement of the industry to limitation. copyright as defined in the internet unclear.
Seanchai says what is clear. who wants to keep customers, it must treat them fairly. Otherwise they are looking for other opportunities. friendly greetings
Again, I think things are being lost in translation. But, I think you're now saying that customers will go elsewhere if not treated fairly? I don't think anyone is stating differently.

Hey, I'm all for competition between businesses. I don't think you're quite being clear as to what you're saying 'treat them fairly' is all about. If you're stating that a particular company does not treat their members fairly, you should be able to back that statement up with facts though. If anyone is being treated unfairly, it is the sites who deliver the content to paying members and then have to deal with dishonest members who redistribute content illegally.

Copyright as defined in the Internet is NOT unclear. I don't know where this whole feeling comes from. Let's be clear... the Internet is just a big, fat, bloated library. Libraries are full of intellectual property that is (at least when I was a kid, it was... I haven't actually been to a physical library in some time) FREE. That doesn't mean that all the property contained in it is magically public domain. Just because something is ACCESSIBLE doesn't mean it's not owned by somebody. That's why most companies trademark their images...

Anyway... again... completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

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ask: in the news-groups are galleries with more than 15. how it behaves there
with Seanchai's postulates, because there you no restrictions.
who offers a fair, you need not fear for his client. friendly greetings
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Again, I think things are being lost in translation. But, I think you're now saying that customers will go elsewhere if not treated fairly? I don't think anyone is stating differently.

Hey, I'm all for competition between businesses. I don't think you're quite being clear as to what you're saying 'treat them fairly' is all about. If you're stating that a particular company does not treat their members fairly, you should be able to back that statement up with facts though. If anyone is being treated unfairly, it is the sites who deliver the content to paying members and then have to deal with dishonest members who redistribute content illegally.

Copyright as defined in the Internet is NOT unclear. I don't know where this whole feeling comes from. Let's be clear... the Internet is just a big, fat, bloated library. Libraries are full of intellectual property that is (at least when I was a kid, it was... I haven't actually been to a physical library in some time) FREE. That doesn't mean that all the property contained in it is magically public domain. Just because something is ACCESSIBLE doesn't mean it's not owned by somebody. That's why most companies trademark their images...

Anyway... again... completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
I boldly assert that the problems that are discussed in this topic are partly attributable to participate in the previously written.
Another aspect is the defined rules of a group, if
I want to move here, I must act according to them. ! IF I must draw the consequences and go other routes. 3, 15 or more images is no longer the question, SSL has clearly defined the proposition.
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I see that we have new additions to the rules. Looks like some solid steps in the right direction. I would not mind if the rule was amended to require that only 15 pics from a set could be posted by all members cumulatively. Most have you noticed that many times we have one member posting 15 from a set, then another member posts some more from that set, and sometimes even another posting more. I think that 15 from a set are more than adequate, in fact: I think 6 pics (2 neat rows of 3) should be adequate to showplace the model. If others require more; than a link to the authorized "FHG" site could be followed and they could then download the rest there.

The only objectionable drawback I can see to this reccomendation is that it will place a larger load on our moderators. Perhaps this load may be lessened soon if warnings and penalties are levied on members violating the rules. Hopefully incidents would decrease as the awareness rises.

In summation, I do believe, that for most of us, restrictions in the number of pics of a set are no hardship. There are a lot of promotional pics out there on the net anyway and there is no need for this forum to act as a prime source of pics.
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I see that we have new additions to the rules. Looks like some solid steps in the right direction. I would not mind if the rule was amended to require that only 15 pics from a set could be posted by all members cumulatively. Most have you noticed that many times we have one member posting 15 from a set, then another member posts some more from that set, and sometimes even another posting more. I think that 15 from a set are more than adequate, in fact: I think 6 pics (2 neat rows of 3) should be adequate to showplace the model. If others require more; than a link to the authorized "FHG" site could be followed and they could then download the rest there.

The only objectionable drawback I can see to this reccomendation is that it will place a larger load on our moderators. Perhaps this load may be lessened soon if warnings and penalties are levied on members violating the rules. Hopefully incidents would decrease as the awareness rises.

In summation, I do believe, that for most of us, restrictions in the number of pics of a set are no hardship. There are a lot of promotional pics out there on the net anyway and there is no need for this forum to act as a prime source of pics.

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I see that we have new additions to the rules. Looks like some solid steps in the right direction. I would not mind if the rule was amended to require that only 15 pics from a set could be posted by all members cumulatively. Most have you noticed that many times we have one member posting 15 from a set, then another member posts some more from that set, and sometimes even another posting more. I think that 15 from a set are more than adequate, in fact: I think 6 pics (2 neat rows of 3) should be adequate to showplace the model. If others require more; than a link to the authorized "FHG" site could be followed and they could then download the rest there.
So, this is how you represent yourself publicly... wise, reasonable, etc.

BUT... this is how you answer someone privately? (see below) You have no other recourse in the face of logic but to backtrack on your statements, and hurl insults? Seriously... get a life.

Sorry folks... I typically wouldn't post something publicly that someone has stated privately but this is just rubbish and the true face of Jenae isn't as pleasant as her posts represent. This sent to me by Jenae in response to a private email she sent me.

PS: It was my CHOICE to get into porn, not out of necessity. I actually left a very successful career in the tech industry as an OM. My site has (and continues) to survive the current economic turmoils, which in itself proves that I have some business acumen. Quite honestly, I could really care less about your opinions about my looks, since my worth as a person isn't dependent on that, but you won't find me wallowing in the mud of insulting other people because I cannot build a logical and cohesive debate. If you take the time to read my posts, I think I've more than proved that I am pretty intelligent and can put together a reasonable discussion without having to stoop to insults. As stated before, I have yet to see some logical and well thought out answers (NOT EXCUSES) to the points I've made.

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Damn if you ain't rather stupid. Because you can't understand numbers and what they indicate or downright prove, then you think they are irrelevant. Not only are you ignorant, but you wallow in it. No wonder you went into the sex business, you don't have the capacity to make it otherwise. To be honest, I did find your musings on your site somewhat interesting; I see now that is all you've got. You certainly ain't much to look at.

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If you look at the posts again, you will see that I am not contending the rights of the pic owners. There were others that do, I don't.
Jenae:

Seriously? I'm PRETTY SURE that your first two posts in this thread are pretty much contending just that.

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In my mind, I see those pictures as paid for since we have to endure the advertising, pop ups, and other miscellania that accompany them.
Because I watch the commercials on TV I therefore own the shows that I watch and can reproduce, rebroadcast, and resell them as I see fit?

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Nowhere do I see a claim of copyright which forbids the further dissemination of the pics.
You clearly do NOT understand copyright laws.

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For you to come on here and plead for a lower limit is ridiculous.
Basically saying that we, site owners, shouldn't have the right to request (I see no pleading going on here) a limit on what is posted on a Forum that bills itself as a 'legitimate' Forum?

Backtrack to follow please... I'm interested to see what you say to this...
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And I might say that for you to publically air anything that is contained in a personal message will be considered by many as an unethical act and not very nice. I will not repute the words you quoted because they do represent my view of someone who makes self righteous claims about relevance and do not bother to back up their assertion. The plain fact of the matter is that the numbers represented by the available data indicate that for the most part, there is not all that much downloading of member exclusive pics going on here.

Then you pull quotes out of context - another questionable action. Those quotes were pulled from my ealier posts where we were questioning the apparent declaration that all posts should be limited to 3 pics per set. At that time seanchi had not made the addition to his initial post as it now stands. Those quotes are in referance to the matter of "promo" pics that are freely available on the net. Many see those as in the public domain and I can appreciate their position. Part of the price we do pay in accessing them is that we are subjected to advertising, annoying pop ups, and in worst case scenarios; the attempts of sites to put adware, malware, and other goodies on OUR COMPUTERS. So I can see where users do feel a certain ownership in these pics. I DO believe they have no right to repost them on their own site in an effort to make money off of them. I do believe they do have some right to post them here on this forum. And as mentioned by other members the site owners do gain a certain amount of promotion this way just as they gain from FHG site promotion.

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And I might say that for you to publically air anything that is contained in a personal message will be considered by many as an unethical act and not very nice. I will not repute the words you quoted because they do represent my view of someone who makes self righteous claims about relevance and do not bother to back up their assertion. The plain fact of the matter is that the numbers represented by the available data indicate that for the most part, there is not all that much downloading of member exclusive pics going on here.

Then you pull quotes out of context - another questionable action. Those quotes were pulled from my ealier posts where we were questioning the apparent declaration that all posts should be limited to 3 pics per set. At that time seanchi had not made the addition to his initial post as it now stands. Those quotes are in referance to the matter of "promo" pics that are freely available on the net. Many see those as in the public domain and I can appreciate their position. Part of the price we do pay in accessing them is that we are subjected to advertising, annoying pop ups, and in worst case scenarios; the attempts of sites to put adware, malware, and other goodies on OUR COMPUTERS. So I can see where users do feel a certain ownership in these pics. I DO believe they have no right to repost them on their own site in an effort to make money off of them. I do believe they do have some right to post them here on this forum. And as mentioned by other members the site owners do gain a certain amount of promotion this way just as they gain from FHG site promotion.

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OOHHH... Blue and Red text! Well, that MUST mean, you're right...

So, hey, guilty as charged. And, don't go spouting 'Ethics' and 'not very nice' at me... take a look at the mirror on those two accounts. At least I have the decency to admit, it may have not been in the best of judgments to post your excerpt publicly... I got caught up in a rare moment of anger because, quite honestly, I didn't do anything to deserve this attack. And, I would call it COWARDLY at the very least to hide those sentiments behind a PM. BUT... hey, wait a minute, since you sent it to me over the Internet, I have the right to post it anywhere I want, right? I mean, I basically own it now, according to your own logic.

Nice backpedal but even for those who read the entirety of your two posts, I don't believe the context will help solidify the validity of your arguments or your own need to backtrack. It's pretty obvious where you were going with those posts. Bottom line, you got caught and now have to backpedal. I pulled the quotes out more for spacial reasons than anything. I invite anyone to read the two posts and decide for yourselves if you'd honestly think that she's only speaking of 'promo pictures' there. I submit, grudgingly, that Jenae is smart enough, with her [self proclaimed] 150+ IQ, to have put those exact words in there if that was the original intent. Unless she was doing due diligence on all the 'FREE' sites she visited (which I highly doubt), certainly there was no way in knowing whether or not her pictures were from a legitimate Affiliate Program or ripped and therefore, 'ETHICALLY' should not have been downloaded or redistributed.

Funny how you still haven't publicly answered or refuted ANY of the points I've brought up concerning your irrelevant posts, confusing the original issue, and etc. ?? Again, I have NOT resorted to name calling and insults other than to say that your logic is at times, faulty and you seem to have a very egotistical view of yourself... a point which it seems others share reading through your 'Ask Janae Anything' thread.

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I do believe they do have some right to post them here on this forum.
FALSE. And, this shows your incorrect beliefs on this subject. If you don't actually OWN the copyright to an image NOT in public domain, you don't have 'THE RIGHT' to post it ANYWHERE without permission. Just like, if you eat at McDonald's EVERY SINGLE DAY FOR FIFTY YEARS, it doesn't make you able to suddenly open up your very own McDonald's and use all their trademarked images and copyrighted materials. Usage doesn't equal ownership. You're wrong. I know it's asking a lot, but humble yourself and just admit it.

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Many see those as in the public domain and I can appreciate their position. Part of the price we do pay in accessing them is that we are subjected to advertising, annoying pop ups, and in worst case scenarios; the attempts of sites to put adware, malware, and other goodies on OUR COMPUTERS
So, in the name of good 'ETHICS' and 'BEING NICE' can you please provide a list of the sites that DO NOT put adware, malware, or other goodies on your computer because you're sure making it sound like they all do... which is NOT TRUE. Obviously, there are some bad sites out there. The sites in question (listed) are all well run sites with honest webmasters / owners at the helm. Do you only go out and hold up only the 'bad banks' or go rape only the 'deserving women?' Strong words I know but think about what this course of logic is saying. Basically, because there are sites that do try to put crap on your computer that gives you THE RIGHT to violate the Terms and Conditions of ALL the sites? C'mon!!! If we were FORCING you to click on a link then MAYBE you'd have a small point (and even then weak) to make regarding 'paying' for something. As it stands, you're making yet another excuse for your wanting to view and enjoy something for free and redistribute it to feed your own ego.

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I will not repute the words you quoted because they do represent my view of someone who makes self righteous claims about relevance and do not bother to back up their assertion.
And... BTW (this in response to a dig Jenae made in a PM to my typing 'valid' when I mean to say, 'invalid' insinuating once again that I have a low intelligence.

I think you mean... 'Repudiate' here?

Nice excuse... Publicly, I say, you won't because you can't. I've backed up my assertions (Which assertion are you referring to here... quote it back to me please and I'll back it up.) plenty and nowhere have I said anything 'self-righteous.' In order to do so, there first has to be something that I see myself as being superior over morally... please tell me where I've stated this?

Again... feeding your own ego by making posts using words which sound fancy but are entirely inappropriate for the context. Nice. And you call out Bionca for playing the victim...?? Again... classy move.

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This thread has long ago derailed over petty bickering.

Seanchai,

I am closing this thread because it has gone so far off topic and rapidly sliding into irrelevance. If you need to add more to it then open it, make your post, and close it again.
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This thread has long ago derailed over petty bickering.

Seanchai,

I am closing this thread because it has gone so far off topic and rapidly sliding into irrelevance. If you need to add more to it then open it, make your post, and close it again.
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