Does liking shemales make you gay?

[undercover faggot]

now ladies, being hypocrites just isn't sexy.

i'm a real person, and i'm ok with the fact that i like an occasional penis in my mouth. i'm also ok with the fact that sucking on another man's cock is considered gay sex, whether they have lipstick and fake tits or not.

you can call it whatever you want, and "blah, blah, blah" about labels. you are just in denial, and putting me down for being honest. you can't hide in your own little universe forever.

[smc]

Originally Posted by undercover faggot

now ladies, being hypocrites just isn't sexy.

i'm a real person, and i'm ok with the fact that i like an occasional penis in my mouth. i'm also ok with the fact that sucking on another man's cock is considered gay sex, whether they have lipstick and fake tits or not.

you can call it whatever you want, and "blah, blah, blah" about labels. you are just in denial, and putting me down for being honest. you can't hide in your own little universe forever.

It's notable that you did not quote any particular posts in writing this, perhaps to avoid any individual from taking exception and coming back after your post. By "ladies," do you mean only some members who have posted in this thread?

More notable though, is that by not quoting any particular post, you render your opinion rather useless. Who is hiding in whose universe? All of us? Point to the specific post.

As for the use of the word "considered" in your post. Everyone should keep in mind that just because something is "considered" to be something doesn't make it true. The world was once "considered" to be flat.

Originally Posted by undercover faggot

now ladies, being hypocrites just isn't sexy.

i'm a real person, and i'm ok with the fact that i like an occasional penis in my mouth. i'm also ok with the fact that sucking on another man's cock is considered gay sex, whether they have lipstick and fake tits or not.

you can call it whatever you want, and "blah, blah, blah" about labels. you are just in denial, and putting me down for being honest. you can't hide in your own little universe forever.

So you are saying that a transwoman is a man with “lipstick and fake tits”? Sounds like it to me.

The members of this forum are the least of your problems… I don’t think that you will be able to hide in your own little universe forever.

[undercover faggot]

so now two men sucking each others dicks isn't gay sex? how delusional. then you want to imply that i'm the one who is being dishonest with myself? trust me, i'm the one dealing with the real world.

Christ, not another one! I've said what I have to say. I'll let others respond to your "lipstick and tits" comment if they want to.

[Dougcair]

I am straight and I love shemales! Thank god for these lovely ladies!

[smc]

At issue in the exchange between undercover faggot and others in the posts from today is ungendering.

On this board, we make a point of respecting each and every person's right to self-determination of her or his gender identity.

undercover faggot wrote: "i'm also ok with the fact that sucking on another man's cock is considered gay sex, whether they have lipstick and fake tits or not." In doing so, and in the context of his other posts, undercover faggot has decided for others their gender identity. It may be the case that someone undercover faggot has sucked who has "lipstick ... and fake tits" identifies as a man. That is fine. But to imply that anyone with those attributes (however "fake tits" might be defined) is ungendering.

To defend one's ungendering by resorting to personal attacks and insults on other members, rather than discussing the issues -- even very, very sharply -- typically speaks volumes about how defensible the attacker's position really is.

[send.the.love]

Originally Posted by undercover faggot

so now two men sucking each others dicks isn't gay sex? how delusional. then you want to imply that i'm the one who is being dishonest with myself? trust me, i'm the one dealing with the real world.

Lets be honest here...you're trolling. I mean if you think otherwise, obviously you're in a state of denial.

[diknut]

i love pussy aswell as cwd so i dont think it makes you gay for me male attention is unwanted and i would proberly knock them out if it ever arose

[smc]

Originally Posted by diknut

i love pussy aswell as cwd so i dont think it makes you gay for me male attention is unwanted and i would proberly knock them out if it ever arose

Now that's an unadmirable response to attention -- "knock them out" -- if ever I saw one. Beware!

[bean]

I'm not into guys, I prefer to see a Beautiful women on the end of the dick I'm sucking. I love sucking cock and I enjoy being a bottom the more I do it.
So I guess I'm gay, so I say who gives a S**T, I'm having a great time

Found this and thought it might be "required reading" for this thread: http://ezinearticles.com/?Does-Datin...Gay?&id=906471

Originally Posted by diknut

i love pussy aswell as cwd so i dont think it makes you gay for me male attention is unwanted and i would proberly knock them out if it ever arose

"Knock them out"? Why would you want to hurt them? I obviously can’t speak for everyone but I workout a lot and I am not offended if a gay man admires my physique. Last night my GF and I went to a bar with a gay and a lesbian couple and I had quite a few “admirers.” Of course it could be the Harley...

[mrallen9898]

Originally Posted by Bionca

This gets asked lots. So much so I have 2 brief answers...

1) Does it matter if it makes you gay? If so, why?

2) It boils down to how you view Trans*women. Are they women who have/had a penis, or are they men with tits?

You tell the truth; I've always felt a ladyboy, Tgirl, or shemale was 100% mentally a woman and treated them that way with respect and kindness just as you would a "so called" normal woman. Speaking frankly I've felt more loved by my Tgirl then by any woman.

[The Conquistador]

No. A lady with a cock is like the embodiment of "opposites attract". It should not be there, but it is and it is very pleasing to look at. Think like magnetic levitation or a platypus. Or even an intricate animation with psychadelic colors like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCqZC...eature=related

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by kilgoretrout

I have been with 4 shemales and really enjoyed it. It was all oral.

It is odd, I do not think I could do the same with a regular male, though I know technically it is the same. While I love being around shemales, I find gay males bothersome.

So I am a bit confused

It has caused some conflict for me.

Yes I have a penis
& yes
that does make you gay.




[threads like this,
call out transsexual persons as male, in the eyes of the OP'.
Which is why I post replies like this
....here, have some head-fuck, back]

[smc]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Yes I have a penis
& yes
that does make you gay.




[threads like this,
call out transsexual persons as male, in the eyes of the OP'.
Which is why I post replies like this
....here, have some head-fuck, back]

But Jodie, you're presuming the OP reads, or reads the entire post. Meanwhile, other people read it and it spurs these inane threads.

[ila]

Originally Posted by JodieTs

Yes I have a penis
& yes
that does make you gay.




[threads like this,
call out transsexual persons as male, in the eyes of the OP'.
Which is why I post replies like this
....here, have some head-fuck, back]

Thanks, Jodie. I really enjoy your replies.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by ila

Thanks, Jodie. I really enjoy your replies.

Thanks.
I'm happy to give my perception and to entertain,
roughly in equal proportions!

[J Dizzle]

Hell no it's not gay, maybe a littlebi but thats just fun.
I lady

[alyssaluxor]

you are Gay! lol

uhmmm!



kisses
Alyssa Luxor

[smc]

Originally Posted by alyssaluxor

you are Gay! lol

uhmmm!



kisses
Alyssa Luxor

If I had the delightful opportunity to be in bed with you, Alyssa, and someone burst in and yelled, "smc, you're gay!," I would gladly embrace the label (assuming I was even paying attention to anything other than your absolute deliciousness). Who the hell cares about labels?!

[outofmymind]

No. It's not gay. A shemale is a woman so no it's not gay.

[outofmymind]

Originally Posted by smc

If I had the delightful opportunity to be in bed with you, Alyssa, and someone burst in and yelled, "smc, you're gay!," I would gladly embrace the label (assuming I was even paying attention to anything other than your absolute deliciousness). Who the hell cares about labels?!

You read my mind.

[alyssaluxor]

Originally Posted by outofmymind

You read my mind.

Originally Posted by smc

If I had the delightful opportunity to be in bed with you, Alyssa, and someone burst in and yelled, "smc, you're gay!," I would gladly embrace the label (assuming I was even paying attention to anything other than your absolute deliciousness). Who the hell cares about labels?!

thanks sweeties actually im just joking and trying to break the ice

[outofmymind]

Break the ice?

You're an absolutley gorgeous woman.

To see such a perfect girl as you be so down to earth is a huge turn on.

If only we could meet Alyssa.

[JodieTs]

Originally Posted by Bionca

2) It boils down to how you view Trans*women.
Are they women who have/had a penis,
or are they men with tits?

• You men will look at us as women who have/had a penis
• Your wife/girlfriend will look at us as men with tits

[CI_Mahon]

I'm sure this has already been said but I just thought I would post my view as well.
and personally I don t think liking shemales makes you gay, but so what if it does who cares!! I consider myself bi because I like women, guys and shemales, but you can call me what you like personally I don t mind.

[no1000]

I'm right there with you OP. Just do whatever makes you feel happy and fuck what everyone else does/thinks/says.

[cherrboi89]

i think being gay is that you like the same sex. therefore if you believe shemales are guys then your are gay. I had the same thoughts about am i gay but then realized that i wasn't. I like girls and probably would take them over shemales.

[TigerDragon]

Originally Posted by Amy

To be gay you need an openly recognisable sexual attraction to male characteristics. And I mean the whole nine yards. A gay man won't be attracted to mtf transexuals because of the female characteristics they openly display. A BISEXUAL man may do, because he finds female and male characteristics sexually attractive.
Whether you consider yourself straight or bisexual also can tie in to how much respect you show for trans women as well. If you think of them as women, respecting their sense of gender identity, then you think of yourself as straight. if you think of them as something in-between, then you most likely at least partly see yourself as bisexual, whereas if you see them as men, well, I don't think anyone fits that definition of both being attracted to them and seeing them as men.

Amy, you have described it, the way I view transexual girls. In their heart, mind and soul, they are without doubt a woman. I was so confused for so long, being attracted to a t/g?!! But, you are so right. You know within yourself if you are bi, gay, straight or a t/g lover! And, if it is not hurting yourself or anyone else...so what? Live and love.

[TigerDragon]

Originally Posted by Gor Gar

Yes, I feel guilty some of the time, but not because I chalk it up to some sort of sin or anything along any religious lines. I used to work in an outpatient mental health facility, and we would sometimes get people in there suffering from sexual identity crisis, sometimes showing up crossdressing (and failing pretty miserably at being "convincing") and those particular cases were almost all brought on by sexual abuse at a very young age. Likewise, I have a male cousin who longs to be a lady, swearing and declaring he was born with the wrong plumbing, and yet he too suffered sexual abuse when he was very young.

So the main reason I sometimes feel guilty is because I feel like I just might be "cashing in" on somebody else's trauma. I don't know how or why all of these t-girls are or rather become what they are...the life decisions that have brought them to the point where I'm seeing pics or videos of them...but the nagging thought in the back of my mind is: "*What if* they were molested and/or abused? Am I feeding into their emotional turmoil?" In other words, I sometimes think I'm digging on exploitation of a deeper issue, and deriving pleasure out of somebody else's misfortune is simply not cool.

Another reason I feel guilty is that I sometimes think I'm doing nothing more than bullshitting myself. Every so often a "before" pic will hit the internet of a t-girl, and that kind of reality check is like a slap to the face. The way I see it is: I would never in a million years find a man attractive, but shave his body, grow his hair out, slap on some make-up and boobs, and suddenly I'm like "Oh what a beautiful woman!" Bullshit...I'm drooling over a guy that's had some work done. I'm not saying that is how I truly feel all of the time, just some of the time when I'm in those moments of guilt. Why? Who knows. Like our attractions, we can't always control our thoughts on things either, no matter how invasive they can be at times.

Gar Gor, you are like me and think too much. If you love the person, and 'she' was born with a bit more plumbing? So what! Does it really matter at the end of the day? I was raised a strict Catholic, right is right, wrong is wrong, no black & white...yet there is! I have found that t/g girls are what they beleive, in their minds, hearts and souls. What right have we to have our guilt trip upon them?! It is almost like judging them. Anyway, enough said. Your heart is probably in the right place, just don't think too much!

[hankhavelock]

Originally Posted by trannycrazy

Hi Everyone, I was wondering if anyone ever feels guilty about what we like and what turns us on.

No guilt, only pride...

Originally Posted by Bionca

It boils down to how you view Trans*women. Are they women who have/had a penis, or are they men with tits?

Bingo! As spoken by myself :-)

[valentinetabitha]

Originally Posted by RobbyPants

Guilty? No, although it's not something I broadcast. The only other person who knows I do is my wife. Even then, I don't really talk to her about it.

I feel guilty, but only because I haven't told my wife. She knows I'm bisexual, but that's the extent of it. Given that she's very conservative, I've decided that this is one of those things she just doesn't need to know about.

Still, I've told friends, but only ones that live out of state.

I like T-girls. I like what I like. I can't help it. And I don't feel ashamed in the slightest. Not with myself anyway.

Sure, I might get embarrassed if my mum caught me sucking a girls dick but there you go. And I don't run around telling everyone in the world. But at the end of the day, how can you feel guilty for liking something that you like.

[Jayshawn!]

i did at first but i dont feel guilty about any of the porn i like, im not the only one who likes and i already like i cant change that so theres no point in feeling guilty about it, as long as your happy with yourself thats all that matters.

[new believer]

Good point about bringing up porn. But unnecessary. We really shouldn't equate porn and Trannyism(is that even a word?) Just like in the 'normal'(sic) world, many folk like porn, many more (?) do not. I may not be a TG, but I'll wager many do like porn and many don't.

As far as for the initial question, I may feel guilty about liking porn, but not about TG's.

[joh]

Originally Posted by trannycrazy

Hi Everyone, I was wondering if anyone ever feels guilty about what we like and what turns us on. I know i do from time to time. I've been into ladyboys since i was a teenager, I'm now 28. Every once in a while i start to feel bad and guilty for liking T-Girls and i try to just look at regular porn, but most of the time it does nothing for me, I just have to come back to shemale porn. As i say it doesn't happen very often just now and then, Just wanted to know if anyone experiences the same kind of thing.

I do to sometimes I don't watch much porn but I have with many all pre ops and have had girl friends all tops that is the only way to go

[joh]

I don't know I know once a man has been with a shemale and fell in love with her and worshiped big cock the bond is very strong and being with a g girl doesn't compare

Joh

[mysteryorchid]

To me the love of shemales is the love of both worlds.... makes me bisexual.... and proud !

[gregg]

I love women and men,but t girls most of all!! I guess I'm bi but who cares it is just a label.

[Baron Von Bangkok]

I've been in a relationship with a Laotian ladyboy for over two years and i'm still not sure how to answer this question. I know i'm not straight thats for sure, she also agrees with this. I'm rarely sexualy attracted to genetic females nowdays but on the other hand i've never been attracted to men.
Until they come up with a term to label me i'm just you're average human, be it one who's willing to fulfil his sexual destiny.

[smc]

Originally Posted by Baron Von Bangkok

I've been in a relationship with a Laotian ladyboy for over two years and i'm still not sure how to answer this question. I know i'm not straight thats for sure, she also agrees with this. I'm rarely sexualy attracted to genetic females nowdays but on the other hand i've never been attracted to men.
Until they come up with a term to label me i'm just you're average human, be it one who's willing to fulfil his sexual destiny.

I like the last part of your last sentence, but the part about "they" coming up with a "term to label" you seems unnecessary. Who the hell cares how "they" label you, or me, or anyone else?! You've already given your self the "label": human.

[Baron Von Bangkok]

Originally Posted by smc

I like the last part of your last sentence, but the part about "they" coming up with a "term to label" you seems unnecessary. Who the hell cares how "they" label you, or me, or anyone else?! You've already given your self the "label": human.

As a human i think it has become normal to want to categorise everything. Look at the vast number of musical genres for example. It would be great if everyone could accept eachother for who they are but people need a name. Gay/straight/bisexual but nothing for the vast number of people with the same sexual interests as ourselves. It would save me having to get into pointless conversations with people who have never met anyone whose primary sexual appetite revolves around transgenderism.
Just give me a label and i'll move along. Otherwise this gay/straight debate on such forums will go on forever and ever.

Nope i love pussy but i also like a chick with a big dick haha

[luvigne]

I tend not to use "labels" but I don't think I'm gay for liking shemales

I am attracted to both women and shemales but I am not attracted to men. Although on the rare occasion I do find I get turned on by a guys cock, but not the man whose cock it is...

I like women and cocks. I am straight with a cock fetish

[sosed]

I'm not interested in males, so I'm not gay. I'm interested in females, be it genetic girls or t-girls. It is not so important what she have between her legs, but that she is a girl in bed and in everyday life and that I could treat her as a girl. Even a genetic girl, who want to be more male than I am, is not what I wish.

And even if it makes you gay, sow what?

As already stated in this thread, its just how you look at it. My love for shemales doesnt have anthing to do with males... its just that i love some cock now and then OK, guys have them to, but they cant turn me on at all!

[OMG]

Originally Posted by luvigne

I tend not to use "labels" but I don't think I'm gay for liking shemales

I am attracted to both women and shemales but I am not attracted to men. Although on the rare occasion I do find I get turned on by a guys cock, but not the man whose cock it is...

I like women and cocks. I am straight with a cock fetish

Yep, what he said .

[tsfever]

I know many men look at this thread and wonder about their sexuality. Think of it this way:

1) You might be gay. If you like men you like men ... COOLIO! I personally do not think being attracted to a T-girl is a "gateway drug"...lol

2 You might be Straight. I personally feel this way. I LOVE gg's and very passable Tg's. If I really had to "Frued" myself I'd say it is because I am a Sub in bed...... so what better than a TG?

3) You are neither and both. You like what you like. Men, Girls, T-girls.... Nuthing wrong with that either!


You are who you are. You like what you like. None of this "makes " you gay, straight or otherwise,

Spend your time enjoying what you enjoy, instead of worrying about the "label" you need to attach to yourself.

We are all gonna die , so you got this life.... enjoy it!!!