Everything you wanted to know about TS gurls

[randolph]

Originally Posted by transjen

Just wondering what kind of images you'ld like to see prettier girls or nastier photos or perhaps more real life Tgirls, Rember in the porn industery beauty is a strong selling point forcing a lot of girls to under go countless surgeries Jennifer

I like well posed photos of good looking tgurls in nice surroundings. Have you seen some of the photos of tgurls in Russia. Admittedly, a lot of photoshop there but nevertheless some very beautiful tgurls in very beautiful settings. Also, I would like to see more real life tgurls, unfortunately most of them are reluctant to share pictures.
When are you coming home? Jennifer

[orion]

I rather tend to agree with Randolph ...

Nice though the pics of professional models are .. they do become a little repetetive ..

It would be good to see the occasional photo of real Transwomen .. simply going about their daily lives .. nothing necessarily salacious ..

Though I can fully appreciate the reluctance of "real" people to post their photos online ...

[marlowe]

Originally Posted by orion

..... real Transwomen .....

Uh oh! Here we go.
Over to you ladies.

[Rachel]

I like bondage porn.

[franalexes]

I am not offended by Orions statement of "real transwowen". In the context that it is written I see he means the more or less ordinary trans people that do the everyday things we call life.
Walk in my footsteps and you would be in high heels or maybe in barn boots that Christmas eve when I had to take care of a barn full of animals.
My figure was the same but the surounding elements were not condusive to a romantic encounter.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I am not offended by Orions statement of "real transwowen". In the context that it is written I see he means the more or less ordinary trans people that do the everyday things we call life.
Walk in my footsteps and you would be in high heels or maybe in barn boots that Christmas eve when I had to take care of a barn full of animals.
My figure was the same but the surounding elements were not condusive to a romantic encounter.

Good morning Franny. I'm up early. Have the cows been milked and the chickens fed? Are you freezing back there?
Your Ol'e Geezer

[randolph]

Originally Posted by transjen

Just wondering what kind of images you'ld like to see prettier girls or nastier photos or perhaps more real life Tgirls, Rember in the porn industery beauty is a strong selling point forcing a lot of girls to under go countless surgeries Jennifer

Hi Jennifer,
Here is the kind of "professional" photo I like. Good lighting, well posed, good background and a drop dead gorgeous tgurl.:D

[franalexes]

After much frustration, fighting the temptation to leave, and trying to correct mis-use of terms, we have a success story. I did a "cut & paste" and the answer to the question is here. It came from one of the 19,000 members. (18,999 to go )

Dear Fran,
I signed up at Transladyboy because I was interested in shemale porn. I then began participating in the forum and began to enjoy the exchanges and banter. As I read your posts and Bionca’s posts I realized this forum had more to offer than raw porn. Transgender issues are interesting to me, I guess I like complex human nature. Getting acquainted with you and becoming a little bit aware of what it’s like to be transsexual has been good for me. I had a very stereotypical view that transsexuals (shemales) were basically hypersexed prostitutes. You and Bionca have straightened me out on that.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Rachel

I like bondage porn.

I guess the implication of bondage is that by suffering and being humiliated there will be at the end a sexual reward. It reminds me of the micro world where male spiders are willing (anthropomorphic) to die in order to have one shot at sex. Got to be really, really horny to do that!

[smc]

The letter Fran shares is like my own story. I happened upon the forum of "Freebies," not even realizing there was anything else or even a general website called Transladyboy. I found some pictures and I shared some pictures. It was the same old thing, made interesting only by the fact that there were pictures I hadn't seen. I kept sharing some of my own because I thought that's what you do if you're going to be in an online community.

Then I took my eyes off the pictures for a moment and discovered that there was chat and some other parts to the forum. I began to read, and I found several posts where people were telling long stories about their own circumstances, confusion, etc. I consistently found Bionca's replies, and I began to realize that I had come to this place for a different reason. I began to compose my own tale of circumstances and confusion, trying to make it something that in sharing would both encourage people to answer with serious posts and also help anyone else who might read it and shared some of my same questions. The fact that I write for a living makes writing this take longer than it should, I suppose, and that is why I haven't yet posted it. I want it to be perfect, but I realize I must abandon that perspective.

Meanwhile, I wrote a note to Bionca to thank her for her posts. And I found myself, while continuing to look at picture and post them (especially in one thread I started), turning to the "exchanges and banter." What I had found was a community of people with whom I could be myself, even if I wasn't sure what "myself" was. Since then, I have ventured to interject my own thoughts into some of the discussions, especially about "real girls." I have taken the test Fran suggested, and (keeping all of Bionca's caveats firmly in mind), begun to learn some more about what drives me to want to be in this community and also to look at those pictures. Being here has also helped me understand why I had such a difficult time a few years ago when circumstances put me in a working group with several transgendered people, where I worked (over)hard to make it clear to them that I accepted them fully and where they mostly shunned me -- probably because in the way that I "accepted" them I actually did what they did not want to have done, which is make them "exceptions" in some way. If any of them are on this forum and can figure out who I am, I apologize for any discomfort I may have caused, unintentional as it was.

So, Fran, although I did not write this in a personal message to you, I hope you will revise your number to 18,998.

[randolph]

Keep it up gurls. Bionca's gentleness and Fran's flaming worked for one, it should work for more of us guys with brains in our balls.

[marlowe]

18,997.

[randolph]

Some of you may already know that the Pope condemned homosexuality and transsexuality as a greater threat to humanity than global warming! Christianity, supposedly, preaches tolerance yet its leaders preach the opposite. This is just one of the reasons why people who are perceived to be different are mistreated and persecuted. The world will never be a safe place for humanity as long as we have assholes fomenting intolerance.

[randolph]

Transsexuals in history:

Some transsexual individuals from myth and history:
bullet Venus Castina was a mythical ancient Greek goddess who "reacted sympathetically to feminine souls locked up in male bodies."

bullet Sardanapalus, an Assyrian king, allegedly dressed in women's clothing and spun thread with his wives. 1

bullet Some Scythian soldiers were said to have pillaged the temple of Venus at Ascelon in ancient times. The Goddess retaliated by converting the male soldiers into females and affecting their descendents in the same way. 2

bullet Philo of Judea (30 BCE to 40 CE) wrote about transsexuality.

bullet Ovid (43 BCE to 18 CE) was a prolific Roman poet. One of his most famous works is a play titled Metamorphoses. In it, Teresias -- a male -- becomes Teresa when he hit two copulating snakes with a piece of wood. She was transformed back into a male by the same process. 1

bullet Emperor Nero (37 to 68 CE)is said to have sought a replacement for his wife that he had previously murdered. The face of Sporum, a young male ex-slave, resembled his late wife. So Nero had Sporum transformed into a woman; he later married her. 2

bullet Gregory Tours (538 to 594 CE) wrote a story about a man who had worn women's clothing as a child and had continued into adulthood by dressing as a nun and living in a convent. 1

bullet During the ninth century CE, John Anglicus -- an English scientist -- was allegedly elected pope of the Roman Catholic Church by an unanimous vote, to succeed Pope Leo V in 853 CE. However, according to the story, he was actually Joan, a woman. She gave birth during a procession in Rome and was either assassinated on the spot or sent to a convent for the rest of her life to repent. There is no such pope in modern official church records. 3

bullet There are records in the 13th century of two European women who dressed in monk's garments in order to masquerade as males: one was Palagia who to keep her former life as a prostitute secret; another was a woman escaping from an unhappy marriage. 1

bullet During the 17th century, Abbé de Choisy, a genetic male, played as an actress for five months and later became the Ambassador of Louis XIV to Siam. 2

bullet Chevalier d'Eon (1728 to 1810) was a male French diplomat and mistress to King Louis XV. He spent the second half of his life as a woman. Eonism, a term referring to cross-gendered behavior, was derived from d'Eon's name. It was first used by Havelock Ellis, an early human sexuality researcher. Its usage is now obsolete.

bullet Lord Cornbury was the first royal governor of New Jersey and New York from 1702 to 1708. He is widely believed to have dressed as a woman during his term in office. However, Patricia Bonomi has written a book attacking this belief and attributing them to rumors by his political enemies. 4

[transjen]

Originally Posted by randolph

Some of you may already know that the Pope condemned homosexuality and transsexuality as a greater threat to humanity than global warming! Christianity, supposedly, preaches tolerance yet its leaders preach the opposite. This is just one of the reasons why people who are perceived to be different are mistreated and persecuted. The world will never be a safe place for humanity as long as we have assholes fomenting intolerance.

Oh don't get me started on these bible thumpers and hollier then thous, They can all kiss my and take there and jam it, At least i don't stand preaching the bible blasting gays and transgendered as sinful evil people then go out to have sex with under aged boys, Sorry about the rant but this really ticks me off Jennifer

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by randolph

I guess the implication of bondage is that by suffering and being humiliated there will be at the end a sexual reward. It reminds me of the micro world where male spiders are willing (anthropomorphic) to die in order to have one shot at sex. Got to be really, really horny to do that!

To each their own For many of us it is not suffering or humiliation it is a turn on. I myself am very into B&D but dont care for S&M. Many think the two are related but they are not.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by Rachel

To each their own For many of us it is not suffering or humiliation it is a turn on. I myself am very into B&D but dont care for S&M. Many think the two are related but they are not.

I am not into pain with sex, however if I was with a hot shemale dressed in black leather, tall black boots and a Greek captains cap and she demanded that I suck her cock, compliance would not be a problem.

[Bionca]

Nice stuff Randolph- More Trans History:

1) Mesopatamia - Priestesses of the Goddess Ishtar/Ashera/Innana were often born male and served as harlots (temple priestesses who had sex with male worshipers).

2) The Goddess Cybele form Asia Minor and later worshiped in Rome has a class of priests who functioned as women in dress and manner who would sometimes ritually castrate themselves.

3) Native American "Two-Spirit" people were believed to posess the "qualities" of both men and women (called "Berdache" by the French). They often held sacred places within the community and because of their ability to transcend gender roles were thought to be better able to communicate with the "spirit world".

4) Nearly all South East Asian cultures have a cultural place for what we would understand to be a transsesual woman. Usually this is understood to be a "third sex". European colonialism made most of these criminal under "crimes against nature". The irony is, while Europe is leading the way for recognition of Trans*folks legally, the places where this was accepted as a cultural norm centuries ago are struggling to regain this understanding.

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by randolph

Some of you may already know that the Pope condemned homosexuality and transsexuality as a greater threat to humanity than global warming! Christianity, supposedly, preaches tolerance yet its leaders preach the opposite. This is just one of the reasons why people who are perceived to be different are mistreated and persecuted. The world will never be a safe place for humanity as long as we have assholes fomenting intolerance.

Yeah.. with continents torn by war, a global economic crisis, Cholera epidemic in Africa, a generation of orphans due to HIV (and the Church's anti condom teachings). The greatest threat to the world isn't Greed or Pride or Hate it's the Homos and the Trannies.

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[smc]

Yesterday afternoon I had an encounter that I think speaks volumes not only about how intolerant our society (here in the United States) is about transgender issues but also what that hatred and vitriol sows among those at whom it is directed. I met an acquaintance from college (which was a long time ago) for lunch at a small restaurant in Boston with only seven or eight tables. We had not seen each other for several years. It was an hour or so past the lunch rush hour.

During our conversation, I commented that he seemed to be distracted by something at a table behind me, out of my line of site. He whispered, "I can't believe that guy is in here!"

Not wishing to be rude, I didn't turn to look. I asked him if it was someone he knew. "I don't know him, but he's a freak," was his answer. I changed the subject.

A short while later I had to use the rest room. Walking back to our table, I noticed a woman who appeared to be in her mid-30s sitting at another table. It was apparent to me that she was transgendered in some way -- transvestite? transsexual? I couldn't tell. I didn't stare, just caught a quick glance. She looked at me blankly.

When I sat back down, I said to my acquaintance, "I think you mean the woman over there." He had said "man."

I was shocked at how quickly things turned. Raising his voice, he became accusatory. "Now you're going to defend him?!" he said, loud enough for her to hear.

I asked him what his problem was, and he told me I had the problem. I suggested we should leave. Fortunately, we had by now finished eating and had paid the bill, and were only sitting and nursing cups of coffee. He agreed. As we walked by the table where the woman sat, he said to no one in particular, but loud enough again for her to hear: "Faggot!"

I was behind him, and I stopped at her table and said that I was sorry for his behavior and that I thought she looked beautiful today. I guess that was a mistake. It was meant to be reassuring, but she told me this quietly: "Go fuck yourself."

I told my acquaintance off once we were outside, and our little argument attracted a bit of attention on the street. We parted company acrimoniously. On the way home, sitting on the T (our subway), I began to think more about why she had responded to what I thought would be comforting words. The only answer I could come up with was that if it wasn't her mood at that particular moment, then it must be the weight of a world of intolerance.

I admit it: I cried about this last night.

We have such a long way to go.

[randolph]

Recently, I had a similar experience. I was at our local Starbucks with a friend. I looked up at the counter and noticed a person dressed in a sexy outfit. Now, where I live it would be very unusual for somebody to be dressed like that. Since I am interested in transexuals, I looked at her more closely and was quite sure that she was trans. As she left the counter, I caught her eye and smiled, she was gorgeous. As she strutted past me in high heels, she looked right at me and stuck out her tongue!

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by smc

she told me this quietly: "Go fuck yourself."

I'm thinking the attitude of your friend already set the stage for the two of you since you were together.
Given that a lot of "exchanges" are unsolicited and like your friend's, we can not "let our gaurd down". We are not always in a receptive mode.
In her eyes your friend was trash, illustrated by his remarks. You, since you were with him are also trash, followed by a kiss-ass cover-up remark. Maybe that remark from her was meant for both and primarily the first.
It would have been difficult to start a conversation with this person even if your friend had not been there.
If you yank on the chain hard enough and often enough you will have a mad dog. I don't know her past but I can guess.

*Randolph* In your case, she could have been just bitchy. Did you think you were God's gift to womanhood?

[randolph]

*Randolph* In your case, she could have been just bitchy. Did you think you were God's gift to womanhood?

Well Fran, you just don't know me well enough.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by randolph

*Randolph* In your case, she could have been just bitchy. Did you think you were God's gift to womanhood?

Well Fran, you just don't know me well enough.

EEEE Gawd! Would I want to?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

EEEE Gawd! Would I want to?

You know you do, I'm irrestible.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by randolph

You know you do, I'm irrestible.

"irresistible."
Well, you pass the test. You are a guy. You can't spell when you are horny.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

"irresistible."
Well, you pass the test. You are a guy. You can't spell when you are horny.

Well, I cant spell when I'm not horny. Oops, cancel that, I'm always horny.:D

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by randolph

Well, I cant spell when I'm not horny. Oops, cancel that, I'm always horny.:D

That's what I mean.

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[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

That's what I mean.

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Fran

OK,OK, I am about to lose it, what next?

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I'm thinking the attitude of your friend already set the stage for the two of you since you were together.
Given that a lot of "exchanges" are unsolicited and like your friend's, we can not "let our gaurd down". We are not always in a receptive mode.
In her eyes your friend was trash, illustrated by his remarks. You, since you were with him are also trash, followed by a kiss-ass cover-up remark. Maybe that remark from her was meant for both and primarily the first.
It would have been difficult to start a conversation with this person even if your friend had not been there.
If you yank on the chain hard enough and often enough you will have a mad dog. I don't know her past but I can guess.

Of course, Fran, your explanation makes perfect sense. Let it be known, however, that my remark may have been perceived as "kiss-ass cover-up" but it was not intended in that way. I chose the wrong words to convey: 1) I thought the guy I was with was trash; 2) she can be whatever she wants to be, and what he or I think shouldn't and doesn't matter; and 3) there are all kinds of "beautiful" but, unfortunately, too many idiots who can't see them beyond their straitjacketed conventions. In my rush, or shame for being in that situation, or whatever, I failed to communicate effectively. I believe the communicator, not the communicatee, is always responsible for misperceptions, and so I willingly take the blame.

But you are right, too, that it might have been all the same even under different circumstances. And that, I guess, is what makes me the most saddened by it all. As I explore myself I feel the need to tell everyone else who is challenged by not being what society wrongly insists is "normal" that I am in solidarity. Certainly, I just can't do that. To express solidarity is to call attention, and that may be exactly the opposite of what is right to do at the moment.

My heart is in the right place.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by smc

My heart is in the right place.

Yes, it is.

[franalexes]

T-girls are not air heads. They tend to have very high IQ's. The average person who goes through with a sex change operation is about three sig above the mean - or about 145 IQ. The average "TV" is about one sig above the mean. This high level of intelligence often equates to
a fun person with a very mischievous mind.

( not me of course. )

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

T-girls are not air heads. They tend to have very high IQ's.

This explains so much about my attraction!

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

T-girls are not air heads. They tend to have very high IQ's. The average person who goes through with a sex change operation is about three sig above the mean - or about 145 IQ. The average "TV" is about one sig above the mean. This high level of intelligence often equates to
a fun person with a very mischievous mind.

( not me of course. )

A tgurl that's smart and naughty, perfect!

[transjen]

Originally Posted by franalexes

T-girls are not air heads. They tend to have very high IQ's. The average person who goes through with a sex change operation is about three sig above the mean - or about 145 IQ. The average "TV" is about one sig above the mean. This high level of intelligence often equates to
a fun person with a very mischievous mind.

( not me of course. )

Girls are always smarter then guys Jennifer

[Talvenada]

Originally Posted by transjen

Girls are always smarter then guys Jennifer

JEN:

Does that mean you got smarter since New Year's Eve?



Piece,


TAL

[pauluspee]

i have an question to all you members, are most t girls bi or gay/ i'd like to know. greetings paulus

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by pauluspee

i have an question to all you members, are most t girls bi or gay/ i'd like to know. greetings paulus

Dear Lord, here we go again.
Now I'll give an answer but please don't take this post off thread.
" Are all guys that ask this question bi or gay?"
" Are all guys that ask this smart or stupid?"
" Are T-gurls bi or gay? There are more classifications of T-gurls than there are grains of sand at the bottom of the sea."

Now please, research your question in another post.
or you could start by actually reading the web site refered to in the very first post#1. please do.

[Amy]

Originally Posted by transjen

Oh don't get me started on these bible thumpers and hollier then thous, They can all kiss my and take there and jam it, At least i don't stand preaching the bible blasting gays and transgendered as sinful evil people then go out to have sex with under aged boys, Sorry about the rant but this really ticks me off Jennifer

Amen, sister.


:P

[Bionca]

Originally Posted by pauluspee

i have an question to all you members, are most t girls bi or gay/ i'd like to know. greetings paulus

yes, no, and maybe

Now a question for you. Is a "gay t-girl" attracted to men or women in your question?

[franalexes]

I'm bumping this. I don't know how old it is , but we had a lot of fun back then.

[smc]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I'm bumping this. I don't know how old it is , but we had a lot of fun back then.

I miss those "good old days," Fran.

[shadows]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I'm bumping this. I don't know how old it is , but we had a lot of fun back then.

Thank you for bumping this, Fran.

This is my first time reading through this thread, and the post that hit me the most was smc's about the woman in the restaurant. I agree with Fran's assessment of what happened. Smc, I also think that perhaps the woman was perhaps a little flustered/embarrassed at the rude comment that your friend had made(and rude stares/comments earlier in the meal). She may have gotten caught off-guard with that comment, as she was sitting there enjoying herself when the rude comment came.

Lots of respect to you for at least trying to rectify the actions of your friend, and for giving him what-for afterwards. Not everyone would do that, and some people would even join in on the name-calling! I am glad to see that you are not one of them. You are a good guy.

[smc]

Thank you, Shadows.

[shadows]

You are quite welcome.

[spacecase9128]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Everything you wanted to know about Bionca, Franalexes or any other T-gurl but were afraid to ask, might be answered here. There is even a test to find out if maybe you are TS yourself. Take the test anyway,( I predict the guys will.) you will probably find out that what you think you know, you don't.
http://transsexual.org/
Remember this site before one of our moderators deletes it. If they do, well, I'll deal with them later.

The test has me as androgyne. There is lots of interesting stuff in here; I keep going back and learn more.

Thanks for this thread Fran.

David

[kaytan]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Everything you wanted to know about Bionca, Franalexes or any other T-gurl but were afraid to ask, might be answered here. There is even a test to find out if maybe you are TS yourself. Take the test anyway,( I predict the guys will.) you will probably find out that what you think you know, you don't.
http://transsexual.org/
Remember this site before one of our moderators deletes it. If they do, well, I'll deal with them later.

thanks, this is exactly what I was looking 4.
just love to read and study about ts girls.

[Sissy Maid Lucy]

Just did the test, and my COGIATI classification is ANDROGYNE.

The third dot point was interesting... "if you have not already, consider joining any of the thousands of groups devoted to gender play of various varieties. There is literally a world of friends to discover who share your interests."

Which explains why I'm on this site! So thanks to everyone that contributes

I took that test as well, about 18 months ago, and it told me I was Androgyne too. Which basically confirmed what I already knew I suppose.

[Katey lynn]

My COGIATI came back as 185, potential transsexual/transgender. Big surprise! lol I love when a test tells me something I already know.