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I am a young swedish tsgirl/shemale and I have noticed that very few ts-girls are of west/north european orgin, most seems to be of asian or latin orgin, I just wonder why? maybe they have a older culture with transgenderism in this areas? But to me I like it is this way, cuz that makes me feel more exotic and not "one in the crowd" so to speak. In Brazil and in America there is some blond ts-girls but often they are bottleblonds like the the californian "blondes". How are nordic TS-girls viewed in this "ladyboy admirers" subculture?

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I am a young swedish tsgirl/shemale and I have noticed that very few ts-girls are of west/north european orgin, most seems to be of asian or latin orgin, I just wonder why? maybe they have a older culture with transgenderism in this areas? But to me I like it is this way, cuz that makes me feel more exotic and not "one in the crowd" so to speak. In Brazil and in America there is some blond ts-girls but often they are bottleblonds like the the californian "blondes". How are nordic TS-girls viewed in this "ladyboy admirers" subculture?

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I judge people not on the basis of where they are from but on the content of their character and similar criteria. However, I suspect you are asking about how "admirers" consider "nordic TS-girls" in a pornography context. To that, I would have to say that it is clear from posts on this site that many members have a certain bias towards Brazilians or Asians, but that there are many of us who have no such bias. I count myself in the latter category: all manner of "TS-girls" turn me on.
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Hi swedish T-Girl,

I'd really like to chat with you on a more private basis, since
At least i find natural blond T-Girls very adorable.

It's just that T-girls are much more common and also accepted in asian
and also south american culture where black hair is usual, than they are in europe.

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Hi SwedisTsGirl

I really think this is a question of cultural
acceptance. The more common a thing is in a certain social environment, the more familiar it's to the society. Consequence is, that
it appears in the media, of course in the film (at least mostly porn)
industry.

Guess the folks in Europe are not so familiar
with the "social" appearance of TsGirls in society
as the Asians are.

In Europe people are simply less relaxed.

So this in fact makes you exotic and (even more) adorable
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I have noticed that very few ts-girls are of west/north european orgin, most seems to be of asian or latin orgin
I'm white european and most of my ts friends are the same.
I know a lot of other ts's and they are same as me.
Is your question related to actual geographical distribution?
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I'm white european and most of my ts friends are the same.
I know a lot of other ts's and they are same as me.
Is your question related to actual geographical distribution?
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Hey, Jodie, do other people in England know you're going around calling yourself "European"?
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Ha, thats fun.

Didn't know Europe does include any Island ;-(
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I'm a blonde hair kind of guy. So that's more of a turn on for me. Throw in the blue eyes and I'm crazy. Although I've come off of that lately but that's still my bread and butter!
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Hey, Jodie, do other people in England know you're going around calling yourself "European"?
it's a software glitch in your transladyboy.com forum post message "drop down box"
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I'm white european and most of my ts friends are the same.
I know a lot of other ts's and they are same as me.
Is your question related to actual geographical distribution?
or
representation in trans-porn?
I mean in general or actual geographical distrubution, I suspect
the overhelming majority of ts`s of asian and latinorgin in transporn
depends on two things..number one: They actually ARE outnumbering us ts`s with north/westeuropean orgin and number two:They are above of all much poorer so therefore they are forced into the pornindustri of economical reasons.Very few economical independent persons select to be pornstars cuz of the social stigma it causes.

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I mean in general or actual geographical distrubution, I suspect
the overhelming majority of ts`s of asian and latinorgin in transporn
depends on two things..number one: They actually ARE outnumbering us ts`s with north/westeuropean orgin and number two:They are above of all much poorer so therefore they are forced into the pornindustri of economical reasons.Very few economical independent persons select to be a pornstars
cuz of the social stigma it causes.
I think that its probably a mixture of both - there are a lot more latin and asian ts's in porn, that is for sure (which is probably driven due to socio-economical reasons)

On the other hand in certain parts of asia transsexualism has been around for much longer, and is more acceptable.

but the world is changing... if you look at the younger generation of transsexual women , with the trap calture. etc., I see a mix of a lot of different ethnic backgrounds - and relish in it
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But the world is changing... if you look at the younger generation of transsexual women , with the trap calture. etc.. I see a mix of a lot of different ethnic backgrounds - and relish in it
Me too, I think ts `s of other etnical backrounds then asian/latin are comming more and more..but still I guess the asian/latin transgenedered people will still dominate the public scen cuz of cultural and socio-economical reasons.
In asia and latinoworld they have this special shemaleculture that not exist so much in Europe and defintly not in the nordic countries. Most ts`s here have a very lowprofile lifestyle and mostly ts people here dont like the shemale culture of different reasons.
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I think this question is excellent. I think here in Europe transpersons are quite rare. I personally didn't meet any, neither in a way, that I could say maybe he/she is a trans person.

Maybe we could be here more precise if we talk about persons, who are born unsynchronized and have brains and bodies of different gender. Maybe in Asia and Latin America they are in larger number, because there is larger number of population. But more interesting would be a statistic, how many unsynchronized persons are born on 1000 persons. In that way we could see, if some environments cause more unsynchronized persons to be born than in other environments and what are these causes, which make that happened, like that maybe in genes of some nations is higher possibility, that person is born unsynchronized.
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I think this question is excellent. I think here in Europe transpersons are quite rare. I personally didn't meet any, neither in a way, that I could say maybe he/she is a trans person.

Maybe we could be here more precise if we talk about persons, who are born unsynchronized and have brains and bodies of different gender. Maybe in Asia and Latin America they are in larger number, because there is larger number of population. But more interesting would be a statistic, how many unsynchronized persons are born on 1000 persons. In that way we could see, if some environments cause more unsynchronized persons to be born than in other environments and what are these causes, which make that happened, like that maybe in genes of some nations is higher possibility, that person is born unsynchronized.
Your initial statement goes against statistical evidence. It may be correct that you "personally didn't meet any" transgendered people in Europe, but that does not mean they don't exist. They are certainly at the same level of the population as anywhere else in the world.

The notion that people in certain nations have a higher possibility of being born transgendered is quite unscientific, as all scientific research to date points to predilections in gender identity as being in-born and having nothing to do with where one is born.

However, self-identity and revealing one's self to others as transgendered is most definitely influenced by environment. In a country that accepts a "third sex" more openly than in other countries (e.g., Thailand), it makes scientific sense that people would feel more comfortable revealing that they are trangendered.
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I'm living in France, and it's true that caucasian trannies are rare, even if I've met some.
Most are in Paris, as the melting of cultures seem to make it easier for them.
Femboys are rare too... curious, and no so fun!
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Your initial statement goes against statistical evidence. It may be correct that you "personally didn't meet any" transgendered people in Europe, but that does not mean they don't exist. They are certainly at the same level of the population as anywhere else in the world.

The notion that people in certain nations have a higher possibility of being born transgendered is quite unscientific, as all scientific research to date points to predilections in gender identity as being in-born and having nothing to do with where one is born.

However, self-identity and revealing one's self to others as transgendered is most definitely influenced by environment. In a country that accepts a "third sex" more openly than in other countries (e.g., Thailand), it makes scientific sense that people would feel more comfortable revealing that they are trangendered.
I didn't say they don't exist, but that I think they are rare. The only statement is, that i didn't meet any.

Why unscientific? Number of transgendered people born in 1000 born people is just a parameter, which show where is higher possibility, someone is born transgendered. I agree with you, that in some environment people are more open to transgendered persons and they are not so hiden than in other environments, that is why maybe statistics could not show real image. On the other hand medics for sure have correct statistics, how many persons have gender disorders. If you have real parameter of number of transgendered people born on 1000 people, you could see, where is number higher and where is lower. Where is higher number you start to look what is the cause of this. Maybe it is in genes in people who live there or it is other influence in time of pregnancy, which is more common in specific environment. It's like the researches of cancer, why in some environments cancer is more often than in others and maybe they find more cancerogenic elements in environments or that there are other reasons (genes mutations, industry with toxic pollutions in air or water, etc).

I didn't give statements and facts. What I wrote were retorical questions and samples of causes for a way to think about it.
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I didn't say they don't exist, but that I think they are rare. The only statement is, that i didn't meet any.

Why unscientific? Number of transgendered people born in 1000 born people is just a parameter, which show where is higher possibility, someone is born transgendered. I agree with you, that in some environment people are more open to transgendered persons and they are not so hiden than in other environments, that is why maybe statistics could not show real image. On the other hand medics for sure have correct statistics, how many persons have gender disorders. If you have real parameter of number of transgendered people born on 1000 people, you could see, where is number higher and where is lower. Where is higher number you start to look what is the cause of this. Maybe it is in genes in people who live there or it is other influence in time of pregnancy, which is more common in specific environment. It's like the researches of cancer, why in some environments cancer is more often than in others and maybe they find more cancerogenic elements in environments or that there are other reasons (genes mutations, industry with toxic pollutions in air or water, etc).

I didn't give statements and facts. What I wrote were retorical questions and samples of causes for a way to think about it.
Yes, you did say "rare." My point is that they are no more or less rare than anywhere else, only that you haven't met them. That is a rather unscientific basis for drawing a conclusion, but it seems to propel your argument.

As for doctors having figures on those born with gender disorders, this presumes that physicians know at birth that a child born with a penis is going to grow up and identify as a boy or a girl and/or it presumes that all people with "gender disorders" at one time or another see a physician about it. Clearly, if you think about it, to suggest that "medics for sure have correct statistics" is to ignore the reality of what kind of statistics might possibly be available.

As for the analogy to cancer and environment, do you really wish to suggest that the same type external environmental things that are linked to cancer cause gene mutations that can make you transgendered. Power lines, chemicals such as pesticides in the air and water, and so on ... are these more prevalent in Thailand and Brazil than elsewhere? Your analogy is precisely why I suggest this is all unscientific.

According to the American Cancer Society, some two-thirds of all cases of cancer in the United States are caused by lifestyle or behavioral choices: tobacco smoking; diet and weight issues; physical inactivity; and exposure to ultraviolet radiation from the sun, sunlamps, and tanning beds. Perhaps these cause people to become transgendered. A lot of trans pornstars seem to be smokers; maybe that's what made them transgendered in the first place?

If it sounds ridiculous, it's because it is ridiculous.
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I know cancer analogy is extreme, but on the other hand it have different influences, that is why it is interesting. One extreme: in Ukraine high rate of cancer is not because of lifestyle, but because of nuclear power plant disaster in Chernobil or in Vietnam because of chemicals, US army use in time of war to destroy jungle (agents orange and purple). OK, this is extreme, leave it.

One think is sure. Transgended person happened in time of pregnancy. It's not necessary in gens of child, but thare could be some influences, which happened to mother between or prior pregnancy. Child in time of pregnancy is more open to these influences, that is why mother must not smoke in time of pregnancy, eat and live healty, don't lift heavy, etc.

After all why do you think external influences could not have influence on child in time of pregnancy?
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I know cancer analogy is extreme, but on the other hand it have different influences, that is why it is interesting. One extreme: in Ukraine high rate of cancer is not because of lifestyle, but because of nuclear power plant disaster in Chernobil or in Vietnam because of chemicals, US army use in time of war to destroy jungle (agents orange and purple). OK, this is extreme, leave it.

One think is sure. Transgended person happened in time of pregnancy. It's not necessary in gens of child, but thare could be some influences, which happened to mother between or prior pregnancy. Child in time of pregnancy is more open to these influences, that is why mother must not smoke in time of pregnancy, eat and live healty, don't lift heavy, etc.

After all why do you think external influences could not have influence on child in time of pregnancy?
It is true that science has not found an explanation for gender identity in any application of classical Mendelian genetics, and yet the consensus is that there is some genetic basis -- either errors or differences in fetal development, or alternate genetic paths that have yet to be isolated (e.g., the so-called "gay gene"). So, in the case of fetal development, external influences could play a role -- but scientists who are exploring this, almost without exception, agree (at least to date) that there is no geographic prediliction to transgenderism, which by inference rules out almost every possible explanation for Brazil and Thailand except the proximity of rain forests and tropical climates.

Or could it be that they have the letters a, i, and l in their country names in the same sequence? By that measure, shouldn't we be seeing a lot of transmodels from Swaziland?

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I think this question is excellent. I think here in Europe transpersons are quite rare. I personally didn't meet any, neither in a way, that I could say maybe he/she is a trans person.

Maybe we could be here more precise if we talk about persons, who are born unsynchronized and have brains and bodies of different gender. Maybe in Asia and Latin America they are in larger number, because there is larger number of population. But more interesting would be a statistic, how many unsynchronized persons are born on 1000 persons. In that way we could see, if some environments cause more unsynchronized persons to be born than in other environments and what are these causes, which make that happened, like that maybe in genes of some nations is higher possibility, that person is born unsynchronized.
Again, I think most of the ts`s in west and northen europe are trying to blend in as passable as women (and men)as possible, that`s why they dont are so visiable as the ts`s/shemales in Asia and Latinworld..many of them work as prostetutes and therefore have a need to be as visiable as possible while the european ts`s have an urge to fit in the mainstream society and maintain a lowprofile. In Asia and the latinoworld many ts`s make a huge point that they are shemales and live in shemale/ladyboy subcultures, in Europe there exists no such cultures (at least in west and northeurope)
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Again, I think most of the ts`s in west and northen europe are trying to blend in as passable as women (and men)as possible, that`s why they dont are so visiable as the ts`s/shemales in Asia and Latinworld..many of them work as prostetutes and therefore have a need to be as visiable as possible while the european ts`s have an urge to fit in the mainstream society and maintain a lowprofile. In Asia and the latinoworld many ts`s make a huge point that they are shemales and live in shemale/ladyboy subcultures, in Europe there exists no such cultures (at least in west and northeurope)
None of which suggests that their rate as a percentage of population is any different, only that they are less "visible" as transgendered people.
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Again, I think most of the ts`s in west and northen europe are trying to blend in as passable as women (and men)as possible, that`s why they dont are so visiable as the ts`s/shemales in Asia and Latinworld..many of them work as prostetutes and therefore have a need to be as visiable as possible while the european ts`s have an urge to fit in the mainstream society and maintain a lowprofile. In Asia and the latinoworld many ts`s make a huge point that they are shemales and live in shemale/ladyboy subcultures, in Europe there exists no such cultures (at least in west and northeurope)
I think you are right in your assumptions that northern european ts's want to fit in to society. I myself have lived and worked as a woman since I was 18 and hold down a good job and to all intents and purposes I am a woman and no one suspects otherwise unless they know me or I tell them.

I just want to be treated normal and have had relationships with men who have accepted my gender. On the other hand I do like other ts's sexually, which means I cant be open about this, so set up clandestine meetings through various websites. Those ts's in South America and Asia are lucky in respect that they can do what they like in their own communitys and not have to worry about fitting in.
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I think that part of it is that over here in Europe we have, for decades now, had more socialised healthcare. As a result, we tend to get our transitioning fully provided for free. In many of the countries which are less progressive, pornography is often a viable way of making the necessary money to fund hormones, surgery, etc.

As a result, these countries will tend to be overrepresented within the industry. Any industry goes where there are workers...
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On top of that of course, white populations tend to have more money in general. And so are less inclined to turn to sex based work unless it's something they choose to do.
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