Pearl Harbor

[randolph]

After the attack, FDR stated in a speech to the public.

Yesterday, December 7, 1941 - a date which will live in infamy - the United States of America was suddenly and deliberately attacked by naval and air forces of the Empire of Japan.

Infamy? Was it really, or did the US have something to do with it?
I am reading a very interesting book by George Morgenstern published in 1947, "Pearl Harbor-the story of the secret war". It carefully documents what was going on between the US and Japan leading up to the attack Dec 7, 1941.
Congressional investigations after the war and testimony of various military and civilian officials clearly point out that the US set up the Japanese to attack us so we could justify getting into WWII.
We had broken the Japanese secret code and we knew the attack was coming yet the commanders at Pearl Harbor were not warned. The worst navel disaster in US history was the result with 3000 lives lost.
The strategy worked however, a nation extremely reluctant to get into a war in Europe was now united to fight Germany and Japan.
After the attack, Washington made every effort to suppress any information suggesting they were complicent in the attack.
The myth still persists that this was a surprise attack on an innocent country.

[franalexes]

Randolph,
You may not have all the details, but there is a lot of truth in what you have written. Many mistakes were made by people in our government and military; people who were in "authority". Most were not intentional but it is the nature of the beast when you start to think that government knows best.
Our navy was attacked that day. A lot of our ships were distroyed. Not one aircraft carrier thou. Carriers were under a different command and someone could see the risk and thus all the carriers were at sea.

Likewise the sinking of the Lusitania prior to WWI.

[TracyCoxx]

Sounds like the same BS conspiracy theory as the one where our government intentionally attacked, or allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen. Complete BS.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Randolph,
You may not have all the details, but there is a lot of truth in what you have written. Many mistakes were made by people in our government and military; people who were in "authority". Most were not intentional but it is the nature of the beast when you start to think that government knows best.
Our navy was attacked that day. A lot of our ships were distroyed. Not one aircraft carrier thou. Carriers were under a different command and someone could see the risk and thus all the carriers were at sea.

Likewise the sinking of the Lusitania prior to WWI.

Its a good thing we saved the carriers. They beat the Japanese navy at Midway, with much thanks to our monitoring the Japanese secret transmissions. This is also a very interesting story.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Sounds like the same BS conspiracy theory as the one where our government intentionally attacked, or allowed the 9/11 attacks to happen. Complete BS.

Read the book, it's very well documented.

Are you sure about 9/11? It was probably just plain old bureaucratic incompetence.

[tslust]

Naval Intellegence knew that the Japanese carriers were on the move, but they thought they were headed for the South Pacific. They dismissed any possible attack on Pearl Harbor, becases at the time it was beleaved that it was unassailable (especially from an air attack).

BTW they broke the Japanese diplomatic code, not their naval codes.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by tslust

Naval Intellegence knew that the Japanese carriers were on the move, but they thought they were headed for the South Pacific. They dismissed any possible attack on Pearl Harbor, becases at the time it was beleaved that it was unassailable (especially from an air attack).

BTW they broke the Japanese diplomatic code, not their naval codes.

On page 76 of the book I am reading, Maj. Gen. E. T. Conley adjutant general of the Army estimated carriers could launch their planes from about 300 miles out and attack Pearl Harbor. This study was done in 1936. The Japanese attack followed this scenario almost exactly. Again in1941 "it appears that the most likely and dangerous attack on Oahu might be an air attack".

[randolph]

David Stockman
"Governments are broke?California, Illionis, New Jersey?and the federal government is not far behind," he said.After appearing on CNBC, Stockman said in a follow-up interview that the following moves could help solve the dismissal economic picture in the US:

1. Raise revenue across the entire population by a large magnitude to pay our (government's) bills; probably a half trillion dollars a year.
2. Social Security and Medicare: Cut benefits for better-off retirees by $100 billion a year through a means test for retirement entitlements.
3. Reduce defense spending by at least 20 percent from planned levels (by 2015), which is projected at about $800 billion.
4. Cut domestic discretionary spending by $100 billion?transportation, national parks service, education, farm subsidies, business subsidies (such as ethanol plants).

Stockman believes these solutions will be feasible if a "big breakdown" in the bond market occurs, which he believes will happen and will be forced on the US, as in the case of the PIIGS.
"You can not issue debt indefinitely and get away with it," he said.


Bond market breakdown OMG!

[ianvries]

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