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So what have you decided? You swanky Americans with your (not so) reluctant approach (lately) to rule the world?

Du you still insist on the presidency to belong to a WASP, or are you finally ready to take the necessary step?

If not my prediction is that this will be the century of the Chinese. The dragon has been awoken... and that is a dragon that will probably invoke the nastiest capitalistic jungle law on all of us. Much worse than what even a MiniCock Cheney could have envisioned it (ooo... maybe not).

I'm sure Barack will be a fine president - I'm also sure that he will not be able to do all that much (but he will still do more than most)... but he holds a symbolic value that goes way beyound what even the lill Catholic Bostoner held in his time. And the point is (aside from the fact that electing the American President is actually too important a matter to leave to Americans) that if you guys dont live up to this challenge, then it's truly and very fast down the drain for both American and Western credibility and values. We'll swiftly be overrun by Chinese economy mixed with Muslim ideology.

Our few last years of Western democratic down-fall will be no fun at all!

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I think Obama will be a great President in the US. Besides, anything is better than the current one, no offense Barack :D
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I think it's a big step forward that Barack Obama will soon be the first black guy to lose a US presidential election.
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I think it's a big step forward that Barack Obama will soon be the first black guy to lose a US presidential election.
That a black man could be a serious contender represents real progress. The fact that we will potentially elect a geriatric "Bush v. 2.0" isn't so much a testament to our progress. How our country keeps being duped by those that want to keep the rich wealthy and the middle class poor astounds me.
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America gets the president it deserves.

Shame the rest of us have to put up with him too.
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what is the point of the elections in the US, they have already rigged them twice now. i think its quite likly that obama will get in, and i think he is the rite man for the job. but if he gets in you have to ask yourself why whoever it was rigged the election in favor of republicans the last two times why they haven't done it again. i also think if he is elected it will be verry likly that he will be assasinated. (their is still alot of racist people in america, some overtly and alot covertly, they are happy to live next door to a black man but they don't wan't one in power.) they done it to the kenedys and they where white, so i doubt they'll think twice about doing it to a black man.
america has produced some of the greatest leaders of the twentieth century, the kenedy's, martin luther king malcom X martin luther king JR.
and also some of the biggest cunts ever, J edgar hoover, richard milhause nixon, george HW bush and george W bush.
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That a black man could be a serious contender represents real progress.
Why is it that Obama is always referred to as a black man when his mother is white? It would be just as valid to call him a white man.
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What distresses me (as an American Libertarian) is that at minimal 30% of votes that are in the democractic favor are fraudulent. i.e. multiple ,dead, non citizens and 'made up' voters. Yet they get away with it because of apathy,stupidity and fear of onslaught by the very anti Republican media. Republicans are not saints by any measure but Democrats are definitly demons in halo's. Many Republicans if given a chance are much as Democrats for example to 'look the other way' towards a individuals lifestyles. Can anyone imagine Republicans dis-owning their gay son's and daughters. Even famous one's like Reagan and Cheney admit to their own children's choice's as their own private matter and have given love and support regardless. What Republicans take heat on is 'not giving ADDED ' rights and privileges such as affirmitive action. That in itself is discrimination. Murder is murder,theft is theft and so on. When a white male kills another white male for money that is a hate crime(he hated that the victim had money he hadn't). Where I want to go with this I have no clue. But I left the Democratic party long after they sold me out and just after I discovered that they play on and use fear from every voter out there to grab self serving power and wealth. I'll challange anyone to list any legislation that took any action to strip anyone of any rights protected by the Constitution. Democrats have. Immigration bill=1967, rights of self defense,from 1968 to current(remember the looting/killing and raping during Katrina) it was a Democrat who dis-armed everyone from their ONLY means of protection. And now,even as Obama speaks of 'change' his stimulus deal allows corporate theives to still get massive bonuses all the while his mouth says otherwise. Get the details and confirm it yourself. I have. Hey, I'm just a libertarian, my party cannot change anything while the 'masses are asses'(an old American phrase used by old currupt democrats over 100 years ago meaning you CAN fool anyone and those you can't, have short memories.). As for one of my best phrases, "Live long and prosper" .
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I am amazed we have hard core Republicans on this site. If my memory serves me well, Senior Bush stated that Homosexuals, Transsexuals and Atheists should be denied the right to vote!
Anyway, I suppose Republicans will continue to worship Rush Limbaugh as the Germans worshiped Hitler. It is a mean spirited intolerant destructive view of the world which will perpetuate the misery we are in.
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What distresses me (as an American Libertarian) is that at minimal 30% of votes that are in the democractic favor are fraudulent. i.e. multiple ,dead, non citizens and 'made up' voters. Yet they get away with it because of apathy,stupidity and fear of onslaught by the very anti Republican media.
This TOTALLY pisses me off. In fact, this is one of the primary reasons why I DO support the concept of a 21st century, modern times and current with today's technology "National ID card" to verify EXACTLY "who" you are and IF you are in fact a legal citizen and all that. Hell, in this day and age, think of it -- you could walk around with ONE card in your wallet that is your Driver's license, your ID card (for voting), it could be programmed and activated as your Mastercard and Visa too, it could hold your medical information in digital form if you were in an accident and suddenly taken to a hospital, it could have your insurance information -- for crying out loud, it could serve as your friggin' library card to boot! With today's technology, it could literally be all sorts of things in one.

Yet why don't we do that? Because those on the ultra Left always bitch that something like a national ID card would be an "invasion of privacy"...it's having "too much information" available...and yet we all go through life with ALL of those things I just mentioned ANYWAY. In fact, if you DON'T have those things, life in the 21st century is essentially tougher on you as well. So even using the base argument of "quality of life" it makes sense to upgrade systems across the board for proper identification of everyone.

Bottom line: you're right, New Believer. Regardless of WHICH political party you belong to...and let the record show that I totally respect the right of everyone to pick a side based on their own personal beliefs....but when you start having numbers that are off at a staggering 30% rate OR -- like we just had in the Obama election where Ohio was an outright joke over voter registrations and irregularities, which the Ohio Election Board REFUSED to even investigate -- then democracy is in the toilet when you can't even stage a fair and honest vote count.

Or new case in point: the still undecided Minnesota Senate race where Norm Coleman had beaten crock of a candidate Al Franken until magically an entire box of uncounted ballots just HAPPENED to be discovered -- after the fact -- in the trunk of someone's car, thus throwing everything into pandemonium. Not to mention, you KNOW the Franken election is for utter shit when even now ALL... yes, ALL... Minnesota polls show that the people there DON'T want Franken in office by a wide and sizable margin. So with such a wide poll margin going in one direction, just who the hell voted for him to supposedly make him the winner, hmm?
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So what have you decided? You swanky Americans with your (not so) reluctant approach (lately) to rule the world?

Du you still insist on the presidency to belong to a WASP, or are you finally ready to take the necessary step?
I my opinion, I don't think we should elect a black person for the sake of electing a black person. I vote for the person regardless of their color and regardless of whichever of the 3 genders they identify with

For one, Obama only has 3 years of experience in the senate. Most of those 3 years were spent campaigning. His grasp of foreign affairs isn't very good. When the Georgia situation came up he called for both sides to stop the fighting. Georgia was in full retreat and getting it's ass kicked. They weren't fighting. He refuses to acknowledge the reality of the Iraq situation and will not acknowledge the successes there are a result of our military. I also find it disturbing that so many of his supporters do not really know what he stands for. They hear his call for change and do not seem to realize that yes, there will be a change, but not necessarily a good one.

His philosophy aligns itself more with that of socialism. That simply is not a system that works. Ask Russia, N. Korea, etc. And it certainly isn't a philosophy that brought America to where it is. His grasp of economics isn't impressive either. He wanted to solve the problems of global warming and education by using Nasa's budget. Apparently he didn't realize the money Nasa get's is only .4% of the budget. Since then he has apparently been educated and has changed his mind.

John McCain seems ok to me. Except for possibly being as anti-science as Bush has been. That is disturbing. But I think he will do better as president than Obama, and I don't want to see this country become socialist. It already is happening too much for my taste.
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Is Barack Obama a SOCIALIST? Huh???

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A few cartoons for McCain lovers: sit this one out.
The punk in the 1st cartoon looks like Bush.
Yeah, he looks really conservative!
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And this one is for Hillary and Obama.
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For one, Obama only has 3 years of experience in the senate.
When the experienced politicians are constantly fucking up matters, thats when you need a change.
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When the experienced politicians are constantly fucking up matters, thats when you need a change.
I already agreed with that. There would definitely be change LOL.
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I also find it disturbing that so many of his supporters do not really know what he stands for. They hear his call for change and do not seem to realize that yes, there will be a change, but not necessarily a good one.
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Is Barack Obama a SOCIALIST? Huh???
See? They don't even know. Google Obama and socialism.
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See? They don't even know. Google Obama and socialism.
Sister, you need to learn what socialism is. You have no fucking clue.
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Sister, you need to learn what socialism is. You have no fucking clue.
This from someone who would slit someone's throat and toss them in a ditch.
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Obama is big on rhetoric, but he has socialist views I agree with and is far more educated and responsible and in touch with the common man than that buffoon McCain. If virtually everything McCain stands for didn't already repulse me, his choice of VIP firmly has. Voting McCain/Palin is akin to a death wish. Without touching on her love of killing animals for sport, her hetero-only marital views, her strict anti-abortion stance and various other things, Palin is a creationist, which means she wants a kooky account of the origin of life, the universe and everything taught alongside -- translation: in subversion of -- the scientific model of evolution by means of natural selection. That's not only deeply unscientific and unconsitutional, it's dangerous. Remember: McCain is already 72 and this woman would only be a heartbeat away from the presidency, despite her backwards views and almost total lack of experience on any and every political level. McCain is one cynical prick. That he could even think of selecting this person to court disillusioned women voters, to say nothing of actually selecting her, or his courting of said women voters in such a transparent and insulting way, makes me feel nothing but contempt for the Republican machine. It's also blatantly obvious he wants to cut scientific funding to avoid raising taxes for the super rich. All I can say is fuck him and the horse he's trying to ride in on.

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Palin is a creationist, which means she wants a kooky account of the origin of life, the universe and everything taught alongside -- translation: in subversion of -- the scientific model of evolution by means of natural selection. That's not only deeply unscientific and unconsitutional, it's dangerous. Remember: McCain is already 72 and this woman would only be a heartbeat away from the presidency, despite her backwards views and almost total lack of experience on any and every political level.
No argument there. This is indeed very scary.
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Glad we have a common ground here.

P.S. Typed "VIP" instead of "VP". I suppose they're relatively interchangeable, which is part of the problem.
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No argument there. This is indeed very scary.
This is just a wild guess, but is that you in your avatar?

You have a very attractive and feminine face. Please, don't take this wrong, but I--my opinion only--believe you'd be a lot cuter & sweeter w/ a bit less hair that's not as vintage. That is, unless you're going specifically for a classic look.
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It is my belief, at some point into Obama's administration, provided he wins, millions of blind sheep-like voters are going to be gravely disappointed and regret voting for a celebrity instead of a president.
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This is just a wild guess, but is that you in your avatar?

You have a very attractive and feminine face. Please, don't take this wrong, but I--my opinion only--believe you'd be a lot cuter & sweeter w/ a bit less hair that's not as vintage. That is, unless you're going specifically for a classic look.
I wish that were me. No, I just think she looks both beautiful and outrageous. I do like big hair though. Not necessarily that big, but I think a great hairstyle is sexy, and much more interesting than the straight, flat-as-you-can hairstyles that women have been wearing for the past too many years. They keep saying big hair is back. Where??!

I think I have a pretty face, and like wearing longish brunette hair styled nicely. No, I don't have any pics, maybe some day.
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I wish that were me. No, I just think she looks both beautiful and outrageous. I do like big hair though. Not necessarily that big, but I think a great hairstyle is sexy, and much more interesting than the straight, flat-as-you-can hairstyles that women have been wearing for the past too many years. They keep saying big hair is back. Where??!
I realize this is getting off the thread topic here, but I agree with your views and comments Tracy.
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I wish that were me. No, I just think she looks both beautiful and outrageous. I do like big hair though. Not necessarily that big, but I think a great hairstyle is sexy, and much more interesting than the straight, flat-as-you-can hairstyles that women have been wearing for the past too many years. They keep saying big hair is back. Where??!

I think I have a pretty face, and like wearing longish brunette hair styled nicely. No, I don't have any pics, maybe some day.
TRACY,

I wasn't going to ask you for a picture, because a lot of guys don't realize that request can make some people uncomfortable.
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"...aside from the fact that electing the American President is actually too important a matter to leave to Americans"
Huh? I'm sort of lost or confused by this comment, Hank.
It's too important a matter to leave to Americans?

If it shouldn't be up to us (since it is our country),
who should it be left up to?
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The day Americans give up their decision making to foreigners is the day this is no longer America and just another lamb in the EU or Useless Nations.
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wouw! hot shit, mano! as spoken by a true neocon... ;-) that's the stuff, george bush and john mccain are truly made of...
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Such bullshit. I'm not a neocon. What I said I said out of a sense of patriotism. Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid. That's the borderless world concept. What if Americans made the decisions for Brits? Frenchies? Canadians? How'd they like it if they didn't have say so over who becomes their leaders and government officials? Or couldn't have any say over things like taxes and property rights?

If you're going to reply to me with such a jackassed comment and insult don't bother. Anyone of any nation with half a mind would agree with me. You don't let foreigners elect your officials.
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Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid.
You tell'em Ogryn. I'd really like to hear hanghaveock explain why the US leaders should be chosen by other countries? Is that the way it's done in Indonesia?
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Such bullshit. I'm not a neocon. What I said I said out of a sense of patriotism. Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid. That's the borderless world concept. What if Americans made the decisions for Brits? Frenchies? Canadians? How'd they like it if they didn't have say so over who becomes their leaders and government officials? Or couldn't have any say over things like taxes and property rights?

If you're going to reply to me with such a jackassed comment and insult don't bother. Anyone of any nation with half a mind would agree with me. You don't let foreigners elect your officials.
Yea, imagine if the US decided that it was going to make decisions for Iraqis, or Afghanis!


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Yes, only the people who are in the nation controlled by a government should vote for that government. So only Americans, Iraqis and Afganis should vote for the US president.
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Such bullshit. I'm not a neocon. What I said I said out of a sense of patriotism. Since when should one nation allow the people of another to make decisions for it? That's stupid. That's the borderless world concept. What if Americans made the decisions for Brits? Frenchies? Canadians? How'd they like it if they didn't have say so over who becomes their leaders and government officials? Or couldn't have any say over things like taxes and property rights?

If you're going to reply to me with such a jackassed comment and insult don't bother. Anyone of any nation with half a mind would agree with me. You don't let foreigners elect your officials.
they might have been able to save us from 8 years of bush jr? just a thought there, i mean we wouldnt have HAD to listen, but someone could have warned us..oh wait they sort of did. never mind
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we desperately need a third party

as far as Obama and McCain go I really think McCain is the lesser of the two idiots
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we desperately need a third party

as far as Obama and McCain go I really think McCain is the lesser of the two idiots
Unfortunately that will usually not work. The vote will usually be split among the top 2 candidates and the 3rd choice will get the majority of the votes.
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Tracy Darling, I'm All-American but that war is Bush's war period. He claimed Mission Accomplished in his little National Guard flight suit his Dad bought him, and he deserves all the blame for it's outcome.
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All kidding aside, in about 20 years I predict there will be a book on the Bush Presidency that will be a real page turner, once some key players start dying off. From hanging chads to 9-11, to Osama Bin Laden and Abromoff, (sic?) Cheney, think of all the stuff we don't even know about. It's really scary that in the nukuler age we got these guys running around in charge. Sarah Palin's going to get PMS and nuke France.
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Anna, you do know many of those Dems you defend so heavily were members of various intelligence committees and such don't you? Like John Kerry, though he rarely attended the meetings. Many of them have access to the same intel the president has. Much of which was created during Clinton's administration by a unit dedicated to Bin Laden watching. It's not as if once a president is out of office all the intel is null and void and new intel must be made.
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Huh? I'm sort of lost or confused by this comment, Hank.
It's too important a matter to leave to Americans?

If it shouldn't be up to us (since it is our country),
who should it be left up to?
america deserves whoever they elect, the rest of the world does not. although the use of the "elect" in this statement sin't very accurate.
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You want change? Everyone vote for Paris Hilton. Things will definitely change.
Oh... I didn't know she was running for president of the Unisted States...
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Obama would be a terrible president. Republican is the way to go, it is the only choice.
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Except that part where they won't let gals like me get married, or have some basic job protections ... you know minor stuff like that
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Except that part where they won't let gals like me get married, or have some basic job protections ... you know minor stuff like that
I thought Bush tried to ban gay marriage, and congress overrode him saying it's a state matter??
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I thought Bush tried to ban gay marriage, and congress overrode him saying it's a state matter??
Maybe I am missing something here....there is the Constitution which the nation follows. It is what made America what it is along with the Bill of Rights. As such, it would seem to me, like it or not, that the Constitution would always trump state consitutions.
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Well, just for the record, McCain and Obama are BOTH against Gay marriage.

BOTH candidates only support civil unions and BOTH support the idea that Gay marriage should not be mandated at the Federal level, but instead decided upon by each individual state to respect the wishes of the people and because the United States is actually a Republic (which most people forget).

To be honest, the biggest test of Gay marriage is barely being talked about which sort of surprises me. Then again, maybe as election day draws closer it will once again become a classic "hot button" issue to sway last minute voters.

Right now its legal in California -- but only because it was sanctioned by the California State Supreme Court, which ruled that the state constitution is currently vague regarding what is (or isn't) a legally recognized marriage. And as is often the case in life, their ruling created a Dickens-like Tale of Two Cities. Up North in Liberal San Francisco cheers erupted (and marriage licenses were given out in droves)...meanwhile down south in conservative San Diego people's blood started to boil and a movement was born to amend the constitution once and for all.

So, on election day, Californians will FINALLY get to vote on a bill whether to amend the state constitution and officially ban Gay marriage (or not).

Right now if I had to place a bet, I'd say the vote to ban gay marriage will pass, though narrowly. Interestingly enough this is not a political Republican/Democrat thing, it's actually an AGE issue. Polls show that if you're under 40, you're part of the so-called "metrosexual" generation and more open to gay marriage...meanwhile if you're 40 or older, you're more traditional and against it.

So my guess is Gay marriage will get banned in California for now, and then in about 10 or so years...as more and more of that metrosexual generation become adults and their kids come of age and can vote too...that's when Gay marriage will finally pass. But one thing's for sure: on election day the California vote will be one to watch. If Gay marriage can't pass in a heavily Liberal "blue state" like California, it certainly isn't going very far in the rest of the country...
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...and then you woke up...
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