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Congress is NOT covered by Medicare. Seems pretty selfserving to me. |
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The special healthcare and retirement plans of members of Congress amount to a pittance, dollar-wise, compared to the full scope of financial giveaways that elected Republocrat officials -- at the federal, state, and municipal levels -- enact for their masters. Yes, those plans are self-serving, but they exist because the masters reward their servants with the okay to create such perquisites. To focus on them to the exclusion of all else misses the larger point.
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On taxes, wealth creation and wealth creating jobs. Also non-wealth creation jobs and numerous safety nets for social support and cohesion, required by society for it to function and to create and maintain the structures to enable the wealth creation jobs to flourish. When government gets too big it creates fake jobs in the form of multi-layered bureaucracy paper pushing to create the illusion of job creation when it is nothing of the sort. All paid for by the wealth creators. Which is as it should be. Unless the government grows that side too much for the purpose of power and a dependent electorate who will vote for them coz they work in expanded structures. Thats when it all falls down. Like now in the UK. |
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"Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." R.N. |
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For me the social contract is what politicians say they are doing for their citizens all the while making it look like it isn?t really the citizens paying for it, but rather giving the impressions that the politicians are somehow creating programs out of the goodness of their heart and the generosity of their spirit. |
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"Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." R.N. |
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yes, it is.
The early 19th century philosopher S?ren Kierkegaard is regarded as the father of existentialism.[ He maintained that the individual is solely responsible for giving his or her own life meaning and for living that life passionately and sincerely in spite of many existential obstacles and distractions including despair, angst, absurdity, alienation, and boredom.
Subsequent existentialist philosophers retain the emphasis on the individual, but differ, in varying degrees, on how one achieves and what constitutes a fulfilling life So if Ila wants to call it existentialism, he is existentially correct. For the rest of us here on the forum this certainly fulfills the distraction part of the paragraph above. That is, we are loaded up with despair, angst, absurdity, alienation, and boredom. Other than that we probably fit into that other deffinition found in Wikipedia: Idontgivearatsassialism I do what I can to have a fulfilling life; including web surfing. note: not typed in Magenta at dauls request. |
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Is that what Kierkegaard is taking about?
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"Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." R.N. |
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Is surfing the internet for porn a fulfilling life?
Randolph, you should not be asking me. You need to ask yourself. You've had the *hots* for me for two years now and the ol' ticker is still ticking. Don't you realise that if you reach the goal of the fantasy, the fantasy will end? quote: "A man chases a girl until she catches him." I could write a long essay on semantics to disprove that ila would be correct in calling it existentialism, but instead I will concede the point to you because your point isn't really germane to the discussion of the social contract. Let's see you come up with some quote from a philosopher that makes it okay for ila to redefine what "social contract" means On behalf of the rest of the forum, thanks for saving us from the boredom. As far as Ila defining what is to him, a social contract; my previous post says he is responsible for that. That satisfies me. Now, as long as Ila satifies me..........,,,Well, that's not germane is it? |
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What does Ila have that I don't have. sob sob
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"Man's capacity for justice makes democracy possible; but man's inclination to injustice makes democracy necessary." R.N. Last edited by randolph; 08-17-2011 at 02:07 PM. |
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Social contract
Back to the social contract.
In a sense, Ila has a point. We no longer have a valid social contract with our government. The upper class has hijacked the social contract. It is now between them and the government. The rest of us are out in the cold. Until recently we assumed we had a classless society (in the traditional sense) based on constitutional rights. There have always been rich and poor but there was a feeling that anybody could rise to the top. In other countries, especially England class distinctions were and still are very apparent. Reagan's policies that persist until today set the stage for the wealthy to become a class (upper) and take control of the social contract. This has enabled them to carefully control government policies to protect and enhance their well being. All of the statistics support a massive shift of wealth from the middle class to the upper class. However, it is more than wealth that has shifted, it is also power. Power to run the economy, power to set foreign policy, power to set priorities. As Karl Marx said there has always been a struggle between classes. The rich want to protect their wealth and the poor want redress of their grievances. Our Constitution was supposed to deal with these issues. It appears that it is no longer functional.
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And for you, a "you're welcome" for so readily giving you another opportunity for a post of this sort.
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I certainly can. Others certainly felt free to decide what a social contract is. I am just as free to decide what a social contract is. Just because someone decided years (centuries earlier) what a social contract is doesn't make that (those) person(s) correct. Social contract is an expression and not a defined word.
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If one wants to disagree on what kind of government we have, that's is fine. We all know what government means. Those are the guys that collect taxes. Taxes are collected with the consent of the governed, that is a social contract. If the government becomes too powerful, it can tax without consent, at the risk of revolution. Alternatively, it can create public debt in lieu of taxes, which is essentially the same as taxes, the public still has to pay the bill.
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WHAT? Is that it? Are you all done? Are you feeling okay? This is not like you. You're just going to conceed to Ila, (the fuzzy fur ball) and the fiesty Fran?
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ila chooses to reserve for himself a personal definition of an established term. He makes an argument for why this is okay, but it is not one I believe works. Therefore, I truly do not know where to take the argument next. It has nothing to do with "conceeding" to him; I have not conceeded that his perspective is correct. As for conceeding to you, Fran, I have no idea what it is to which you are referring. |
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Yes, you conceeded
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so predictable. |
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Now, do you want to escalate this as in the past? |
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WB
welcome back
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Question:
How do you tell the difference between a British Police Officer, an Australian Police Officer and an American Police Officer? Answer: First - Lets pose the following question: You're on duty by yourself walking on a deserted street late at night. Suddenly, an armed man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and lunges at you.You are carrying a Glock .40, and you are an expert shot, however you have only a split second to react before he reaches you. What do you do? BRITISH POLICE OFFICER: Firstly the officer must consider the man's Human Rights. 1) Does the man look poor or oppressed? 2) Is he newly arrived in this country and does not yet understand the law? 3) Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? 4) Am I dressed provocatively? 5) Could I run away? 6) Could I possibly swing my gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? 7) Should I try and negotiate with him to discuss his wrong doings? 8) Does the Glock have appropriate safety built into it? 9) Why am I carrying a loaded gun anyway, and what kind of message does this send to society? 10) Does he definitely want to kill me, or would he be content just to wound me? 11) If I were to grab his knees and hold on, would he still want to stab and kill me? 12) If I raise my gun and he turns and runs away, do I get blamed if he falls over, knocks his head and kills himself? . 13) If I shoot and wound him, and lose the subsequent court case, does he have the opportunity to sue me, cost me my job, my credibility and the loss of my family home? AUSTRALIAN POLICE OFFICER: BANG! AMERICAN POLICE OFFICER: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! 'click'.... (Sergeant arrives at scene later and remarks: 'Nice grouping!) |
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LAPD
The Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD), The FBI, and the CIA are all trying to prove that they are the best at apprehending criminals. The President decides to give them a test. He releases a rabbit into a forest and each of them has to catch it. The CIA goes in. They place animal informants throughout the forest. They question all plant and mineral witnesses. After three months of extensive investigations they conclude that rabbits do not exist. The FBI goes in. After two weeks with no leads they burn the forest, killing everything in it, including the rabbit, and they make no apologies. The rabbit had it coming. The LAPD goes in. They come out two hours later with a badly beaten bear. The bear is yelling: "Okay! Okay! I'm a rabbit! I'm a rabbit!"
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It was a black bear of course...
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