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A Glossary of Terms
You are you. I am me. You tell me about you...
However, let's make a list... "T-Girl" "Trap" "Femboy" "Trans"/"Tranny" "Dick Girl" "Futa"/"Futanari" others... Are there some fine distinctions? Care to take a stab at defining these...? -K |
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Wow, most people prefer to forget nightmares, but you want to give one to everyone!
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I've caused more erotic dreams than nightmares.
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...rereading
I don't mean to offend anyone. I see these terms bandied about and simply want clear definitions, if they exist.
For example, what's the difference between a "shemale" and a "femboy"? I'll guess that they're both M2F, only the how one self-identifies. One being female, the other male. Some of those terms are certainly derogatory, but maybe can be used casually among friends. -K |
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1. There are no "clear definitions" of such terms, if by clear you mean universally accepted. Simply look at the "femboys" thread and check out the discussion about what that term means, and you will realize the near impossibility of developing clear definitions. 2. Related to the first, because these are terms of identity and self-identity, there is no way to avoid offense in some, or many, cases. |
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Seek and ye shall find
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What I cannot understand, though is why the questioner has made no attempt at all to do his own research - in Wikipedia, for example, and expects to get clear definitions from other forum members who may well have strong views on such terminology. Not a good subject for a new thread I feel, when so many views have already been expressed by many members, all of which can be accessed with a little searching. Sorry but go ! |
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^ Thankyou, Mel. Those are all very good points.
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Nevermind...
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In fact, the "femboy" thread, and an ongoing 4chan debate, got me started thinking about this. In fact there are many conflicting definitions for these and other terms. Did you expect me to post MY definitions? Wouldn't that skew the posts that followed? I was seeking clarity from those people here who might know better. Nevermind. I think that "smc" is right, there simply are no clear definitions that everyone might agree upon or even understand. (Thanks "smc".) I still believe it was entirely appropriate to ask here, although it seems it isn't going to help me or anyone else. -K |
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1. I agree that there was no indication that you hadn't already done some searching. I don't think Mel Asher's point was meant to come across as it did. It strikes me as having been posed more as a rhetorical question. 2. Posting your own definitions, if it was done in a manner that supported discussion in the interest of consensus, wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. Most people react in a more useful way to specific things you give them to think about rather than when you ask far more open-ended questions. Nevertheless, I do not think consensus will be reached. I'd love to be proven wrong. 3. The reason I don't think consensus will be reached is that there really are not "people here who might know better." Why? Because we are talking about terms of self-identity, and hence one person's "better" is another person's offensive term. To the degree any of us may know a little bit better, I think it is limited to when we insist on respect and defer to the self-identity of others. (Hence all the posts and even an entire thread about "ungendering.") 4. Why do you put my username in quotation marks? Just wondering. |
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followup
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Four: I suppose I should have made it bold or a link to your profile or something. Just making it stand out. No offense. -K |
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None taken. I assumed it was for emphasis. It is a commonly used method for emphasizing, but actually does something else. (Sorry, that's the writing professor in me coming out.)
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Terms that confuse me
Okay, I am confused to some of the terms of description, can you please help with answers on descriptions and differences of these terms:
Thanks, Jon |
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You ever heard of google or wiki?
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I STRONGLY encourage you to go back to the beginning of this thread and read the exchange on the issue of even attempting to define terms such as these, in the context of people's self-identities.
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Terms?
As far as transsexuals are concerned. We should ask them what they like and don't like.
The last thing I want to do is offend any of the transsexuals that participate here. Bionca says she doesn't mind the term tranny but it depends on the context. How about the rest of you?
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I did read somewhere on some blog or site, where there was a post by a TS, who felt offended by the term shemale. I understand and respect that, however when searching I noticed it is used a lot on commercial sites and blogs use Shemale. Very unfortunately for, I have had NO experience with any of the terms. I would love to find a Transsexual, to love, pamper and caress, as described in the Transsexual definition, with male genitalia here in Colorado. I don't think I can make it to Brazil or Thailand. I had no idea that Ladyboy was about Asians. Oh yes, male that term Futanari. Sometimes I see a cartoon type of photo and some real Asian photos and they are beautiful. Am I correct in thinking that the TS's are getting more and more stunning? Thanks, Jon |
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That's part of the point - it is largely used connected to porn. As a large portion of the trans woman population has no direct relationship to the sex industry, using a term that is so directly associated with porn is insulting. It also has a very negative past, as it's first use to describe trans women, was in a book by Dr Janice Raymond who's position was to "Morally mandate transsexuality out of existence". Jan was used to get the US government to stop covering trans-related health care among other directly harmful things to trans women.
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Shemale being offensive
Dear beautiful Bionca,
Thanks so much for your reply. I wanted to understand some of the terminology better. When using a term that categorizes a group of people, I think it is important to understand there the terms came from and what they mean. There are times, people might use some horrific terms to categorize others that create ignorance, misconceptions and prejudice. (Karl Rove has done this for a living since he was hired by Nixon, many years back I want it to be understood that this mean "political correctness", which is about taking the meaning out of terms so that the terms become totally meaningless (changing the term "department" to "team" in offices). Thanks, Jon Last edited by smc; 12-17-2010 at 08:45 AM. Reason: Fixed "Karl Rove" |
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And offend/are non-offensive depending on the person! {remember all transsexual people are both mentally unstable and contrary to both other transsexual people and cis-gendered people} I personally loath "Shemale" as it sexualises us and at the same time suggests we are less than female. At the same time, I also call myself a shemale at work....I work in adult entertainment. Like Bionca "Tranny" does not bother me at all. Though most transsexual people again loath it because in their opinion it identify's to them as part of the genera of Cross dressers, Transvestites and 'Hairy panty wearers' ...which of course we actually are! Many ts's get pissed at me when I call myself a tranny because I've gone a long way with all this from hormones, life, surgery's ....often a lot further than many of them. The inference being that if I identify as a tranny, then by implication, that makes them Very-tranny! Which as you will realise is the reason I do it in the first place! |
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Last edited by extramaritalm; 12-17-2010 at 09:19 AM. Reason: grammar |
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I don't think this is exactly true from what I've seen. At least among the women I know, there isn't much issue with trans women who call themselves/ each other "tranny". It's when non-trans people throw it around, since it's mostly used as a joke or to ridicule how a woman looks (she's so ugly she looks like a tranny). So, for non-trans folks using the word, it has a really loaded recent history - as words change, sometimes their meaning become more negative than positive.
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Usually they are ?weekend warriors? and the whole transsexual ?condition? is one they idolize/fantasize about, yet they don't have the inclination for whatever reason 'walk-the-walk' I see these in peoples profile names on transgendered social sites. ?Hello, pleased to meet you, my name's: Jodie shemale cum-dump? That would get very strange looks from my bank manager, or the regional secretary of the local Womens Institute! Quote:
Refer to a transsexual person as a tranny and they'd more than likely stick a stiletto blade under your rib cage ...or at least, give you an annoyed stare Which makes it such fun! I'm so glad you are writing your blog again. It really is that good. |
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Over here, the National Health Service NHS Gender clinics INSIST
that you join & wear twinsets and pearls to Prove you really are a lady http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4THO9-N--k4 |
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I've read this thread and other similar threads here and all this terminology seems like a potential minefield for the unwary. Hopefully I won't offend anyone if I inadvertently use the wrong term.
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Hopefully this will do the opposite of create a minefield
John,
I posted this topic and I am delighted to see activity on it. The point of my starting it was to open up discussion to help my ignorance of, what seems to me, many terms to describe a TS and to avoid terms that might be prejudicial and demeaning I mean, this is not exactly a discussion that occurs on "Meet the Press" or "talk shows". I feel that truth, honesty and discussion is the best way to to prevent ignorance. I thought "Tranny" was a pretty safe term to use. I certainly don't want to get stabbed for it. By about now, maybe just TS might be the best general term. By the way, what is "GG" ? Thanks, Jon |
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Bionca,
If I am understanding you correctly, what you are saying that it is more about whose is using the term and the intent of the person than it is the terminology itself ? Quote:
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Which has its own issues - since I'm a girl, I have some genes. Therefore I am genetic and a girl.
Bio-girl has the same issue.. I'm not exactly cybernetic (though some gals seem to have more silicone then flesh after a while). I prefer "cis" as it is the linguistic opposite of "trans". That said, I'm not a giant loon about it either.
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It is important to look at how words are used in the general culture. When a non-trans woman says "Girl, you look like a tranny" - what is she implying? When gossip blogs say that as actress "looks tranny" - what is that? Now, given that trans women are called this word by people to invalidate our gender as women, hearing it from some random guy who may (or may not) be into trans women we should not be expected to automatically give the benefit of the doubt.
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If you are able to function socially outside of the Internet, you shuld be fine if you keep that in mind. If you are talking about porn, escorts, or fantasies - terms like "shemale", "chick with a dick", etc. should be ok to use. It denotes a specific type of porn (etc.) If you can keep in mind that when talking to real people - you are not talking to a fetish or a fantasy most landmines can be side-stepped.
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Lovely Bionca,
Said very well !! I think I was attempting to say the same thing, but didn't express it as elegantly as you did. Your explanation of GG, followed cybernetic, cis, really threw me for a loop. When it comes down to a individual level, anything different from he or she, would be defined by the person I am communicating to. Jon Quote:
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Explanation of terms meaning
I have a question of meanings of some terms/words. I know who is crossdresser and I know who is MtF Tgirl, but I'm not sure about the meaning of travestite and transvestite. Are those two terms, which describe the same or is a difference in meaning? Are they describing a person who is crossdresser or a person, who is transgender? Are those two words proper to use or are bad terms?
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Please clarify "travestite" and "transvestite". It looks to me like a typographic error on your part. Do you mean TRAVESTI? This is a common term in Italian that encompasses all transgender categories. |
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Transvestite is a word that's more complicated in that it doesn't have a really shared meaning. Literally it means "cross dress" and in some places that's exactly who it describes - cross dressers. In other places, like commonly in the US, it is used more for people who get a sexual thrill about dressing like and being perceived as members of the opposite sex.
This is in counter point to Cross Dressers who often describe a feeling of having a "female side" that needs expressed (that may or many not include sex while dressed). The point of Cross Dressing is to give expression to a part of their identity that they feel is repressed in daily life. Please Note: These are simply what I have gleamed from discussions with and reading the words of self-identified CDs and TVs. I could be way off base, and if so, welcome correction. As I said, the distinctions, if any, will be regional and can sometimes be muddy.
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In our environment both words travestite and transvestite are used and actually they don't have the same meaning, as one word more describe a person who feel opposite sex and other more acting opposite sex, more as art. I'm not sure which word describe what and if they are just constructs or actual words used in wider area and if their meaning is correct.
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GG or not GG ?
Hm ! Not so taken now with the term GG after Bionca's observations, although I have had occasion to use it when referring to myself.
Perhaps BGs would be better, although I am not all that talented on the music side. ( BG - born a girl - in case you wondered ! I think Randolph's post ( no. 16 ) was short and very much to the real point. The sceptic in me does wonder a little though whether this thread was somewhat contrived, ( no offence meant by this observation ) insofar that we have already had so much in depth discussion round this.
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