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This is all well and good, but it's not happening. No training is required to own a gun. I found it ludicrous when California required training to buy mace but not a gun.
The PRK is chock full of many stupid rules. To try and grasp the stupidity would drive you mad. Actually you do need proof of training to buy a handgun in Commiefornia. If you see someone who you know has not had firearms training and is being stupid with a weapon i.e. pointing it at someone or pointing it at themselves to demonstrate that "a loaded gun won't fire on SAFE" you are well within your rights to slap the ever loving shit out of them and chastise them for being a dumbshit.
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And even more to do a crime.
A common fallacy that people have regarding firearms.
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I totally forgot the US walls that are made of paper (exaggeration like to blow away an elephant). Why use weapons that go through humans and walls for home defence. That's a risk for uninvolved people.
The .223/5.56 will not punch through a human, even with ball ammuntion. It was designed to tumble on contact with a target. There is even frangible ammunition marketed for home defense use as it shatters once it penetrates an object. it will go through 1 layer of sheetrock but not the other.

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To buy a rifle, that is usually made for longer distances than handguns, for the reason of home defence sounds for me like an excuse, or a big calibre guns.
You may view it as an excuse but alot of people view it as using the most efficient tool for the job. One mans paranoia is another mans prudent planning.

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The difference is: I need something to travel time efficient, and no need for a big home defence weapon, in my opinion.
But regardless of the tool and what it is used for, you still use it because it is more efficient, correct?

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You can never 100% sure at a moving target or about ricochet bullets from bones or objects, especially a family member is close to the psychotic person. Training and HP/SP ammunition can lower the risk, but it is still there.
It takes considerable skill to fire a pistol and accurately hit a target even 25meters away. As much as you might not think so, a rifle is more accurate than a pistol. If one of my family members was in the vicinity of the criminal, I would trust a rifle over a pistol. There are risks involved in everything you do, regardless of whether or not you are shooting, driving to the store, playing a game of soccer or football etc. Proper training is key.
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A common fallacy that people have regarding firearms.
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Between 1987 and 1990, David McDowall found that guns were used in defense during a crime incident 64,615 times annually.
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During this same time period, 1987 and 1990, there were 46,319 gun homicides, and the National Crime Victimization Survey estimates that 2,628,532 nonfatal crimes involving guns occurred.
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Kleck's survey with Marc Gertz in fact used the largest sample size of any survey that ever asked respondents about defensive gun use - 4,977 cases, far more than is typical in national surveys.[69] A study of gun use in the 1990s, by David Hemenway at the Harvard Injury Control Research Center, found that criminal use of guns is far more common than self-defense use of guns.
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The .223/5.56 will not punch through a human, even with ball ammuntion. It was designed to tumble on contact with a target. There is even frangible ammunition marketed for home defense use as it shatters once it penetrates an object. it will go through 1 layer of sheetrock but not the other.
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You may view it as an excuse but alot of people view it as using the most efficient tool for the job. One mans paranoia is another mans prudent planning.
The most efficient to kill unwanted guests? Not everything is: If I don't kill him, he will kill me. A weapon with high lethal effects is not necessary, in my opinion.

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But regardless of the tool and what it is used for, you still use it because it is more efficient, correct?
More time efficient than walking, yes.
You can argue a big gun is more efficient than a small one (determent and man stopping).
A machine gun would be even more, or a XM214 Microgun, a tank, but is there a need? (the elephant again)

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It takes considerable skill to fire a pistol and accurately hit a target even 25meters away. As much as you might not think so, a rifle is more accurate than a pistol. If one of my family members was in the vicinity of the criminal, I would trust a rifle over a pistol. There are risks involved in everything you do, regardless of whether or not you are shooting, driving to the store, playing a game of soccer or football etc. Proper training is key.
Do you have rooms that are 25m long? If it comes really high 10m.
Would you go get your gun, aim and shoot, while your family is threaten by a psychotic person?

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You can follow the references from Wikipedia, if that helps. What are your needs for a believable reference?
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The most efficient to kill unwanted guests? Not everything is: If I don’t kill him, he will kill me. A weapon with high lethal effects is not necessary, in my opinion.
What you just said is contrary to the purpose of why people have home defense weapons. To stop an attacker as quickly as possible. And to stop someone as quickly as possible, a weapon needs to have high lethal effects otherwise an attacker will be wounded and still be able to be a threat.

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More time efficient than walking, yes.
You can argue a big gun is more efficient than a small one (determent and man stopping).
A machine gun would be even more, or a XM214 Microgun, a tank, but is there a need? (the elephant again)
There is obviously a practicality issue with that. A machine gun is to clumsy to use indoors where as an M4 is alot more maneuverable and has alot more accuracy and distance than a pistol. So practicality outweighs need in those examples.

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Do you have rooms that are 25m long? If it comes really high 10m.
Would you go get your gun, aim and shoot, while your family is threaten by a psychotic person?
My Mosin is always at the ready, zeroed in and loaded. When I am not around it is locked up. But when I am, it is ready at a seconds notice.

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You can follow the references from Wikipedia, if that helps. What are your needs for a believable reference?
What it fails to mention is:

1) Crimes thwarted by the victim being armed. It does not display the ratio of crimes averted by the victim being armed vs crimes actually commited with weapons. Alot of attacks that were stopped without shots fired don't get added into the statistics as they don't fall into the "violent crimes" category. All those statistics do is record how many violent crimes actually went through unhindered.

2) Justifiable Homicide. Again, Homicide, whether justifiable or not still falls into the "homicide" category. Until there is a distinction between the two when the statistics are collected and processed, the numbers are still largely skewed.
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[QUOTE=Tread;11172 Not one of the three persons that walked in your direction has threatened you or your family. A violent potential or weapons wasn’t visible either, expect by you.
You judge them to be criminal by their looks, age and walking in your direction. You should always be aware in suspicious settings, but it’s not sure they were criminals. In the second case, if he watched you the whole time, and waited for you, he is supposable after your money.



Hmm I thought I described the situation quite well enough for a rational person to put themselves in my shoes at that time and place. And I suppose all 3 gentlemen were just approaching me for friendship and good conversation? You are very naive Tread.
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ok now this is just my observation but i think this Thread has slightly lost the plot.

this thread obviously started out in helping people get information on getting DIFFERENT ways on self defense but all i can is that its boiled down into an argument between those inside and outside of America. look Tread. Stop trying to push your views onto people when guns have obviously worked in america for the last 200 years or so. different cultures have different rules, thats the beauty of this world. in the end you're gonna get crime anywhere. plus i don't hear you going on about other places with gun crime like thailand, etc.

At the same time Rachel and AngryPost, i know from reading the posts that guns have saved you or your loved ones time and time again yet it wouldn't hurt to acknowledge the usefulness of hand to hand. there was a story here in the UK of a cop that was almost stabbed in the neck if it weren't for his training and fast reflexes yet at the same time here people are so eager to have a gun that they've taken to modifying BB guns to fire live ammo. gun crime is everywhere. different countries deal with it in different ways and for each country it seems to be working for a while.

Bottom line. if someone asks for advice on this thread instead for stating the importance of a gun alone. put down some ideas for hand to hand as a added help. it never pays to be well prepared.

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At the same time Rachel and AngryPost, i know from reading the posts that guns have saved you or your loved ones time and time again yet it wouldn't hurt to acknowledge the usefulness of hand to hand. there was a story here in the UK of a cop that was almost stabbed in the neck if it weren't for his training and fast reflexes yet at the same time here people are so eager to have a gun that they've taken to modifying BB guns to fire live ammo. gun crime is everywhere. different countries deal with it in different ways and for each country it seems to be working for a while.
Mr. Tread was asking why some use rifles and shotguns as opposed to a pistol; I was merely explaining why, albeit we did get a wee sidetracked. The importance of unarmed combat(UAC) is definetly not overlooked. When in public, I carry a blade on me but sometimes it is not practical or lawful to do so and I know various holds and strikes for when I am unarmed. There is a wooden riot baton that I keep close to my bed that I also train with. Knowing other ways of injuring or killing people is definetly a useful skill.

Ms. Rachel also stated in another thread that she is trained in Muay Thai.
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ok now this is just my observation but i think this Thread has slightly lost the plot.

this thread obviously started out in helping people get information on getting DIFFERENT ways on self defense but all i can is that its boiled down into an argument between those inside and outside of America. look Tread. Stop trying to push your views onto people when guns have obviously worked in america for the last 200 years or so.
Indeed it lost slightly the plot. I've problems to not voice my opinion, if getting asked. But I'm not trying to push my views on other. I want to understand, why so many get a big weapon extra for home defence. I grasped KittyKaiti's and AngryPostman's personal opinion, but in general I don't get it and would like to hear more.
Even it was enjoyable, for the threads sake I'll stop asking why they expect some kind of Jason Voorhees in their home. (Damn, did it again)


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In my opinion American Kenpō Karate, German Ju-Jutsu and a bit easier (Civilian) Krav Maga are the best choices for self defence. But the most martial arts have good working defence techniques.
If you don't want to learn the full program a usual self defence course teaches essential moves, behaviour, responsibility and confidence in a short time.

Personally I would prefer Spetsnaz Combat-Sambo or Jeet Kune Do, but it's nearly impossible to get a proper training in these.
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In my opinion American Kenpō Karate, German Ju-Jutsu and a bit easier (Civilian) Krav Maga are the best choices for self defence. But the most martial arts have good working defence techniques.
If you don't want to learn the full program a usual self defence course teaches essential moves, behaviour, responsibility and confidence in a short time.

Personally I would prefer Spetsnaz Combat-Sambo or Jeet Kune Do, but it's nearly impossible to get a proper training in these.
If I had the time to thoroughly learn martial arts, I would want to learn any of these 4: Muay Thai, Wrestling(Greco-Roman or Collegiate), Krav Maga or Judo.

Combat Sambo is pretty badass but I don't know anyone down here that teaches it.
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If I had the time to thoroughly learn martial arts, I would want to learn any of these 4: Muay Thai, Wrestling(Greco-Roman or Collegiate), Krav Maga or Judo.

Combat Sambo is pretty badass but I don't know anyone down here that teaches it.
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Hey Tread what do you guys do over there if someone breaks into your home with the intent to rob and maybe hurt you? Fight like a Frenchman? I surrender!
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Hey Tread what do you guys do over there if someone breaks into your home with the intent to rob and maybe hurt you? Fight like a Frenchman? I surrender!
now i don't know if thats an ill intent jab or not but if it were me being robbed most likely the robber would have a knife or bat or something as guns aren't legal and hard to come by. if he were coming at me i'd be able to get the knife of of him and use it against him as i've been trained to. this might not seem the most likely but tai chi helps. for a couple of years i use to learn it and learn that even the slightest movement can have big results. instead of stopping the attacker. guide him away from you by moving his body with his own momentum. this would result him in stabbing the wall with the knife and i'd beat the crap out of his because i've found out one good thing about robbers and all round thugs.

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I can get 3 shot groups with my 357 magnum at 30 feet away
nearly dead center, with my 03-A3 springfield a 3 shot group
at 500 yards!, without a scope mount the peephole is allways kept clear
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Usually only call the police, cause they do it when nobody is at home, or they run away if they get spotted.
If the risk is too high, surrender is not the worst act (if you have a gun or not). Some would probably lock their self in a room and call the police. Other would chase them away, or fight them (with or without weapons). There are as much behaviours as in the US, only that guns are less common.
I don't know what I would do, the case isn't clear enough, and I never was in such a situation. I would probably call the police try to get something to identify the person (photo, car licence number, robber belongings, protect objects with fingerprints) before the person run away. If the person wants to hurt me, I would defend me in a reasonable way (this doesn't sound like a you or I death situation). If I can I would arrest the person until police is there (depending how fast, strong and what happens).


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Oooooh! Oooooh! Oooooh! Is it a Springfield Armory or Rock Island Armory 1903? Gibbs Rifle Company is making 1903A4s that look pretty damn close to the real thing, the only noticeable differences that I could see were the markings on the rifle.
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My dad had a 30 40 Kraig(sic), does that mean anything?
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I'm sorry I took a good jab at you there. Hope you arent French lol Being that this thread started as self defense lets get to the heart of the matter. First and foremost is your mindset. The will to survive. By whatever means neccesary. Surrender isnt an option in my book. I'd rather go down swinging then die on my knees. If you have a choice of a weapon to defend your self with what would you choose? I'd take a bat over a stick. I'll take a firearm over the bat. I'll take a large gun over a smaller one.
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Actually Mr. Randolph, it's "Krag", a Norwegian designed rifle. It was the first American military firearm to use smokeless powder instead of a compressed black powder loading and was carried by Teddy Roosevelt when he hit San Juan Hill.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Sat...agenum%3D1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krag-J%C3%B8rgensen

It is quite similar to the .303 British round in dimension and power (but not interchangeable)

http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satelli...OR+.30-40+Krag

http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satelli...R+.303+British

and has an unusual loading system (unusual in that it loads by means of a trapdoor and not a stripper clip like comparable Mauser or Mannlicher rifles of the time). Some purists will talk shit about the round and attributes of the rifle but until someone quantifies "dead", it is still useful for killing things like milk jugs, watermelons, large game and Spaniards. A good sturdy rifle overall.
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I'm sorry I took a good jab at you there. Hope you arent French lol Being that this thread started as self defense lets get to the heart of the matter. First and foremost is your mindset. The will to survive. By whatever means neccesary. Surrender isnt an option in my book. I'd rather go down swinging then die on my knees. If you have a choice of a weapon to defend your self with what would you choose? I'd take a bat over a stick. I'll take a firearm over the bat. I'll take a large gun over a smaller one.
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I'm sorry I took a good jab at you there. Hope you arent French lol Being that this thread started as self defense lets get to the heart of the matter. First and foremost is your mindset. The will to survive. By whatever means neccesary. Surrender isnt an option in my book. I'd rather go down swinging then die on my knees. If you have a choice of a weapon to defend your self with what would you choose? I'd take a bat over a stick. I'll take a firearm over the bat. I'll take a large gun over a smaller one.
I don't noticed a good jab, it's more that you have a wide open cover for counterattacks in your most statements. Like: your will to survive against never surrender, even it means you die for one dollar then giving it unharmed away to a predominant robber.
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Talk about a kick now that is about the biggest gun that
i have fired with a big kick, and when using xx highpower loads.
my sister lives about a mile and a half from that firing range
and she can hear me shooting it.i used a 180 grain full metal jacket xx bullet
that had a big kick i am surprised the range officer let me fire that thing
i have to ask permission when firing large cal. guns.
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I remember reading an article about Col. Rex Applegate, the author of Kill Or Get Killed, and He was talking about how he was walking down the street when two thugs tried to mug him. All he had was his cane and he whupped the shit out of them with a well placed strike to the head and groin.

Something is better than nothing.

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Here's a few of my other "toys." I also have quite an extensive library of martial arts related books. That "knife-type-thing" next to the sword is a Smith and Wesson "First Response" tool. It can be flipped open with one hand like a switchblade if you practice... I carry one in my vehicle always. It can cut through seatbelts, has a pry bar, and a spring loaded carbide tip that can shatter a windshield. I have two, and mail-ordered them from U.S. Cavalry many years ago. Get one if you don't already own one!

Akido is something I would love to study one day. I only have the one book and have practiced just a few techniques from it.

I don't know where my copy of "In the Gravest Extreme" by Massad Ayoob went--but it is recommended reading for anyone interested in self-defense.

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I remember reading an article about Col. Rex Applegate, the author of Kill Or Get Killed, and He was talking about how he was walking down the street when two thugs tried to mug him. All he had was his cane and he whupped the shit out of them with a well placed strike to the head and groin.

Something is better than nothing.

http://closecombattraining.com/blog/?p=213 *A brief bio of Col. Applegate*
He is legendary! He even created his own fighting knife:

http://www.gerber-tools.com/Gerber-A...ombat-5780.htm

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That thing to the bottom-right if your nightstick; is that a kubaton?

Also, I like the knuckle-knife combo.
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Yes it is. I bought a bunch of them a while back and used to give them as Christmas presents!

Most of that stuff I bought while living here in Indiana (almost no restrictions apply) or in Michigan (Detroit "Wayne County" has tight restrictions--what's the logic? Someone can go to Oakland county and get knives and other stuff quite easily). Don't know if they can be sent to "Kalifornia"?

My understanding is that there are holds and techniques for them. My use of one would be mostly be to apply to pressure points or strike the eyes, throat, or temples. Have you ever had training with one?

The knife is a Frostwood "Undertaker" bowie. I bought two of them just in case they were ever restricted and something happened to the first one. It has a 9" blade. When we were discussing home defense weapons--I thought about it--it is nearby if I couldn't get to my 12 ga. The SIG is kept in a safe so wouldn't be much good unless I had time.

Also, that little "dagger" between the Kobotan and the sword is called a "CIA letter opener." It is made of fiberglass and nylon and can be sharpened. You can put one in a necktie or tape it to your ankle.

That Don's guns I posted pictures of is a great place to get stuff like this. At least in Indiana. I am pretty sure I got the Kubotans there.

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I made this dagger in high school metal shop many years ago. Imagine doing this today?
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Not in the DPRK (Democratic Peoples Republic of Kalifornia)

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My friend has one of those except his looks like a a small version of the cruciform bayonet usually found on Mosins, SKSs and early AK's. Those things are badass. As usual, they are not found in the DPRK.
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Right on Mr. Randolph! Have you ever gone to Jantz's website? It's http://www.jantzsupply.com/ and they have all sorts of supplies to make your own knives like knife hobby sets, handle materials, different types of barstock like stainless steel, tool steel, "Damascus" pattern welded steel, Mokume-Game pattern welded metals etc.

I think you'd like it.
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That is very cool. Nice work. No they wouldn't let anyone get away with it today. When I was in HS metal shop as a Freshman (84-85) we made "throwing stars" out of sheet metal--if you got caught it was detention. Anyway--I think I still have mine somewhere.
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Here are a few more items from my collection. The big one is a Mortal Kombat "Raptor" knife made for the movie. Cool looking but not really practical (poorly balanced--awkward grip). The ones on the left are a set of 3 Gil Hibben throwing knives made famous by Steven Segal in "Under Siege." The "hatchet" is a "throwing axe." Yes it sticks... The odd shaped one next to the Raptor is for "skinning." The "T shaped" one--put it in your fist and--well you get the idea... On the left is a cheap switchblade and the little guy on the right is a Gerber pocket knife bought at the local Dick's sporting goods.

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The blade alone on this Fer is 11 inches! It is very similar to the one used in Rambo III. I bought it as a novelty collectors piece. Not practical. Very "blade" heavy--more like a sword. One could use two hands and "slash" with it. Also not sure of its legality in other states.

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Well i have a very large 13 inch bowie knife in my apartment like the one in
the pic but that one is only 9 inches the one i have is 13 inch blade with
engraved markings on the blade and gold trim on the handle
i paid $350 for it in a knife show here a few years back.
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Actually Mr. Randolph, it's "Krag", a Norwegian designed rifle. It was the first American military firearm to use smokeless powder instead of a compressed black powder loading and was carried by Teddy Roosevelt when he hit San Juan Hill.

http://www.gunsandammomag.com/cs/Sat...gs=pagenum%3D1

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krag-J%C3%B8rgensen

It is quite similar to the .303 British round in dimension and power (but not interchangeable)

http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satelli...OR+.30-40+Krag

http://gunsandammomag.com/cs/Satelli...R+.303+British

and has an unusual loading system (unusual in that it loads by means of a trapdoor and not a stripper clip like comparable Mauser or Mannlicher rifles of the time). Some purists will talk shit about the round and attributes of the rifle but until someone quantifies "dead", it is still useful for killing things like milk jugs, watermelons, large game and Spaniards. A good sturdy rifle overall.
I also have my grandfathers H&R American double Action 5 shot 38 cal with a six inch hex barrel. Pre 1898 version. (photo of 4 inch model)
I don't think I would want to try it with modern ammo.
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i paid $350 for it in a knife show here a few years back
Now THAT'S a knife! (I've sometimes heard those called "Texas Toothpicks")
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Yes. Do NOT try to run modern ammo through it! This pistol was chambered for Black Powder ammo and will create dangerous pressures when fired with smokeless powder. Unless you reload, don't go to the store and buy a box of .38 ammo for it.

If you ever take up reloading, you can build your own "flavors" of ammo. I have a loading press at home and I load 30-06 and .223. It's a fun hobby.
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