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I though ACORN had been killed by Republicans in their ever present zeal to keep the working class from voting.
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I hate to break your fanasties of me but i never said i was living in Central park and carring a pickit sign or did or have i ever said i endorse or support the Occ Walstreet movement I only stated that all the Middle East uprisings started just about the same way But if things keep going as they are the warning signs are there and it could happen And a GOP president who only wants to give the top 5 percent another windfall and put more nails in the coffen of the middleclass will be the match that lights the fire Jerseygirl Jen |
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Penny Arcade's Introduction to Collective Bargaining:
(could not help myself) http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/11/04
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Jobs Jobs And More Jobs
All eight GOP hopefulls all claim if elected they'll create jobs jobs and more jobs
You ask any of the eight and each claim they'll in act the policies that will get America working agian All we need to do is cut taxes for the rich and the corprations OK lets get this straight we need to cut taxes on the rich and it will trickle down plus create jobs hmmnn why does this sound eamiler oh yeah W already cut taxes for the rich and those cuts are still in affect so then the unenployment rate should be around 4 percent after all cut taxes for the rich it creates jobs and the tax cuts have been in effect since 01 Oh yeah trickle down with all the cuts the rich recieved from W the poverty rate should be way down but instead it has exploded Now they claim that the corprate tax rate is too high and is the highest in the world at 35 percent but the leave out that almost none pay that 35 percent most pay 9 percent and the top money makers pay a neg tax rate meaning the pay nothing and get a big return to boot So all of the GOP job creating plans are already in effect and yet unemployment is at 9 percent And in 08 i believe the GOP claimed it's not goverments job to create jobs So the GOP plan is do nothing and make W's tax cut perment and make em biger After all look at how succefull they have been so far Jerseygirl Jen |
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Earlier this year, John McCain proposed a plan for yet another "corporate tax holiday" that shows just who this trickle-down bullshit is really meant to serve. Multinational corporations got their allies in Congress, like McCain, to push for this "tax repatriation holiday" that would allow them to bring money they've stashed overseas back to the United States at a rate far below the usual 35-percent tax. McCain's proposal is for an 8.25-percent rate, which would then be lowered to 5.25 percent if they could prove they used the money to create jobs. This was done in 2004. What happened? Corporations used the money they "repatriated" to buy back stock on the markets and give big bonuses to executives. No jobs were created. Since then, the same corporations have continued to cut jobs and move billions of additional dollars offshore. McCain's proposal for the special even-lower rate for "job creation" is precisely because not everyone has forgotten the 2004 fiasco. Speaking at the Washington Summit sponsored by Reuters last Tuesday, November 8, McCain was asked about 2004 and how the repatriated money might really be used. His response was one of the most cynical statements ever from a supporter of trickle-down bullshit: "If you brought $1.5 trillion back to the United States of America, it?s bound to have some positive effect somewhere. I don?t see how it would not. Even if they buy more yachts and ? corporate jets and all that, it?s bound to have some effect." Now, before Tracy Coxx comes on here to argue that having corporations spend money on yachts and jets would actually stimulate the economy in some sense, I will concede the point. But let's look at this through a broader lens: John McCain is on the same side of every one of the Republican candidates for president this year. He has joined in blocking every piece of legislation that has come up recently to create jobs (except for the veterans bill that passed this week). His trickle-down idea is to give corporations a massive, MASSIVE tax break in the hope that they buy luxury goods and thus boost employment. Cynical? In the words of Sarah Palin, "You betcha!" |
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I predict Tracy will write a thoughtful, touching panegyric--where it is made clear the rich are poor distraught victims--to the powerful and that awesome and inspiring virtue that is Greed. Blessings be upon thine Green Lord.
We shall cry. We shall weep and o! how we will hate the fact we cannot hold Tracy to us.
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I amazed at the content of this thread. With all that is going on in this world the majority of the content here is about the US. Are those posting here so myopic that they can't see beyond the borders of the US. Wake up people. There are events happening all over the world that are affecting the complete world economy.
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Part 2 of previous video. Unfortunately the retired police officer is not present:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CtfgK...eature=related
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I have been painted with this broad brush by your post, and yet I will put my knowledge of the world economy against yours any time, any where, in any way. |
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You will take any excuse, however flimsy, to rag on people who actually give a shit, don't you?
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Bloomber now, Bloomberg tomorrow, Bloomberg forever! A Special Comment by Keith Olbermann:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iNmM...ure=digest_tue
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But the little history lesson in the begining is why they no longer teach history in US schools and if history classes do return to US schools Newt would want the students to use that time to do there janitor duties to learn there work ethic but looking back at history the GOP always did say that anyone not goose stepping along with them are unamerican and pinko commie fags So grab an American flag drape it over your shoulders and start goose stepping along with the GOP Jerseygirl Jen |
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Don?t forget I lived in NYC for a short time and used to ride the subway! |
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The term "Third Rail" may has one meaning in the US, but the linked article was written for a newspaper in the UK where the term "Third Rail" has a different meaning. Therefore the journalist's use of "Third Rail" was perfectly reasonable and no doubt would not have confused her readers.
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I am not trying to score points with my critique of her word choice. Why is it being interpreted in such a way? |
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I never intimated that you were trying to score points with her word choice. Don't read things into my posts that aren't there. |
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I didn't think I was. I was simply baffled by why the discussion went on as long as it did. Sorry, my friend.
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You two are so cute together.
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The Great American Bubble Machine by Matt Taibbi:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...chine-20100405
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Here's a different perspective on OWS. You won't like it. You'll call me a troll, and I'll say no, it's called another viewpoint.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJEbWMS_IHE
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The difference is that I am addressing your use of language and that you use particular words deliberately to provoke. That is what it means to be a troll. When I raise a question of changing the U.S. Constitution, I don't call people who defend it by names. You are called a troll not for your defense of the Constitution. This isn't about being politically correct or not. I have written time and again that I consider you to be an intelligent person. Therefore, I know when you are being a troll, because you are intelligent enough to choose specifically to be one. But perhaps I am wrong. Maybe you really don't get it. (I doubt that.) I have never sought to "cure" you of your opinions, only to point out that you discuss dishonestly and that you behave like a troll. This is a community, and time and again you disrespect the community with your troll behavior. You're right: "It is what it is." And what it is is this: you post like a troll, get called on it, and then you're the one who tries to change the subject. That is it's own unique form of whining. As for the use of the word "gang," let me ask you these questions (two of many examples I could pose): - When the Republicans in Florida organized political operatives to go to the Broward County Board of Elections and pound on the door as they were doing their recount, and act threateningly, and get in the elevator with election workers and menace them, was that a "gang"? - When the Tea Party in Virginia posted Congressman Tom Perriello's address on the Web and encouraged people to visit him and "express their thanks" for his yes vote on the Obama healthcare bill, but they mistakenly posted his brother's address, and the brother had the gas line to his home severed, were they behaving like a "gang"? (This is an example from dozens where the Tea Party encouraged vigilante-like action against elected representatives). You want to reserve for yourself the right to use troll language but claim that it's all about the right to one's personal "perspective." To quote the inimitable Tracy Coxx: "If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck." |
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In Internet slang, a troll is someone who posts inflammatory, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room, or blog, with the primary intent of provoking readers into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion. My posting about ows being gangs was neither extraneous or off-topic. This thread is called Today's Political Landscape. Do you deny that OWS is part of today's political landscape? It is on topic. Does it provoke readers into an emotional response? You assume what I said was to provoke. Let's be honest. Anything I post which you do not agree with will elicit an emotional response by you. Care must then be taken with that definition because it assumes that discussion can be had without an emotional response. As long as any and all opinions of mine that you don't agree with elicits an emotional response from you, your accusations of being a troll are obligatory responses that should be ignored. Unfortunately you take advantage of the fact that the more you say something, true or not, the more people believe it. Quote:
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And yes, I did notice that you moved to your default position of attacking the poster (not the topic of the thread btw) rather than the well said anti-occupy video I posted.
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A lesbian trapped in a man's body Last edited by TracyCoxx; 12-03-2011 at 12:45 PM. |
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As exasperating as arguing with you is, Tracy, the one thing that makes it easy is that you are so consistent.
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No one reading that can fail to notice that now you say "some people ... behave as gangs," whereas I responded (quite specifically) to your generalization when using the term. So, shall we take this to be your way of admitting that the generalization was wrong? Quote:
By the way, I find it hard to believe you "have no knowledge" of these events. You registered on this site with a birthday that makes you old enough to have been cognizant of what was holding the United States at the edge of its collective seat during that period, and unless your interest in politics is a recent phenomenon, you would have had to shut your eyes and ears to miss the reporting. Quote:
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But, by writing what I quote just above, you get to create the illusion that I am either afraid to respond to a post, or that I can't because I don't know what to say, or that I deliberately ignore something, or whatever. It's all of a type, and it's why you get called out on your method time and again. |
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Do you, Tracy Coxx, agree with the perspective of Adam Carolla as expressed in this video, including his analysis of what drives the Occupy Wall Street protesters? |
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Further, it's notable that you only respond to one of the many aspects of the post. But it's okay, I get it. Last edited by smc; 12-04-2011 at 05:38 AM. |
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Tracy Coxx, you posted the link to the Adam Carolla rant with the following words:
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In nearly 10 foul-mouthed minutes, Carolla displays that he knows absolutely nothing of the Occupy Wall Street movement, its broad demands and aspirations, nor anything about the real people who make up the majority of its constant activists. For instance, Carolla states: “We are now dealing with the first wave of ‘participation-trophy, my-own-fecal-matter-doesn’t-stink, empowered, I-feel-so-fucking-good-about-myself, everybody’s-a-winner, there’s-no-losers,’ we are dealing with the first wave of those fucking assholes. That’s who we are dealing with now.”He refers to the Millenial generation as a bunch of “self-entitled monsters” and “ass-douches.” He boils the entire movement down to envy and an unwillingness to play by the rules.” He then compares the “rules” of the Wall Street casino, by implication a level playing field, to the rules followed by someone who runs at a good pace in a legitimate 440-yard race at a track meet.” Specifically, he states: “What we created is a bunch of self-entitled monsters. People are so far out of it in what they expect and what they think realistic is and the set of rules that pertains to them versus the other guys.”He ends his rant with a comparison of the Occupy movement to the “terrorists” who “blow up our buildings” because they are envious, resentful, and are ultimately driven by shame, and who then rather than decide to get their own “shit together” decide to “tear that guy’s shit down.” In fact, some specific and unbaffling demands (even if you don’t agree with them) have emerged from the Occupy movement. Public financing of all U.S. political campaigns, to break the link between the government and the corporations. The overturning of the Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United. The elimination of special private benefits and perqs to public servants, such as the “revolving door” with lobbying firms. Elimination of tax loopholes that favor the rich and the corporations. Enactment of comprehensive job-creation legislation. Student loan forgiveness. Immediate reenactment of the Glass-Steagall Act. To suggest that Adam Carolla’s rant and his deliberate ignoring of the real substance of Occupy (whether one agrees with it or not) is part of a legitimate discourse, Tracy Coxx, that it is a legitimate “viewpoint” that might add to the discussion, is an affront to every real discussion about important topics that has ever unfolded on this site. Quote:
By the way, for those readers who do not know, Adam Carolla is a TV and radio host who has notoriously attacked ethnic groups and women, and now the entire Millenial generation, with useless name-calling that is inappropriate at best and is highly offensive and that has no place in civil discourse at worst. Here are a few examples:
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1. Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United Careful what you wish for smc. You wanted corporations to be taxed like people. All of a sudden corporations are people now. That means they have rights doesn't it? They have the right to freedom of speech don't they? 2. The elimination of special private benefits and perqs to public servants, such as the ?revolving door? with lobbying firms Eliminate perks to public servants, yes. The revolving door is good in a way because it gets experienced people into government rather than career politicians and lawyers who don't really know the industry they are regulating. It has some good points. Minimize the bad points with rules such as mandating that politicians recuse themselves from committees overseeing industries they just came from within 3 or so years. 3. Enactment of comprehensive job-creation legislation. Obama has tried this many times. It hadn't worked. His last jobs bill failed to pass. Interestingly unemployment went down afterwards without the stimulus package. 4. Student loan forgiveness. The country can't afford to take on all these student loans. And it sets a bad example to students as they enter adulthood. Lesson: You don't ask for a loan you don't know you can pay off. 5. Immediate reenactment of the Glass-Steagall Act. I'm not up on the Glass-Steagall act or its reasons for repeal. I spent some time looking at it, but not sure which way we should go with it. I'm sure there are some in the occupy movement that have legitimate gripes about the government and certain fat cat people in wall street who ought to be in jail. Fine. I'd like to see some of them in jail myself. But I also see many pro-occupy people who are anti-corporation... regardless of the corporation, and think that rich people ought to get the shit taxed out of them to support their entitlements. That is who Adam Carolla is directing his ranting towards. Quote:
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The Appeal to Ridicule is a fallacy in which ridicule or mockery is substituted for evidence in an "argument." Example of Appeal to Ridicule "Sure my worthy opponent claims that we should lower tuition, but that is just laughable." Since you use this method so often, I assume you teach it to your beloved rhetorics class.
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You painted the occupy MOVEMENT as a gang. I countered that your generalization was false and inappropriate. I also do not believe that exercising your legal right to assembly, even if it happens to be on the public sidewalk outside of the private home of a Wall Street banker, represents "gang" behavior. I may not agree with the tactic -- in fact, I think it is a waste of time -- but I will not characterize it as the behavior of a "gang." The occasions of gangism I cited stand on their own. Instead of addressing the substance, you try to shift the terrain. It's so transparent as to be laughable, and you can call it whatever rhetorical device you want. Time after time, you reveal your unwillingness to engage in a real discussion when you have no answer to justify your previous provocations. Last edited by smc; 12-04-2011 at 01:26 PM. |
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To equate the "freedom of speech" of people to corporations is an affront to the Bill of Rights, and you know it. Quote:
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I'd like to see your evidence that the implied direct link between failure of his bill to pass and a decrease in the unemployment rate are positively correlated. In any case, while some Occupiers may support the specific Obama legislation, I would support something more along the lines of what was done during the Great Depression to put people to work doing what needs to be done. You know as well as the next person, Tracy Coxx, that it is government that builds roads, repairs bridges, and generally deals with infrastructure. We need those things done in the United States. You have no answer for why it shouldn't be done, except to defend the phony "job creators" among the wealthy who economists have proven do not create jobs. Quote:
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As far as I can tell, the only people who are strongly advocating to keep the overturning of Glass-Steagall from 1999 are mega-bankers and the politicians they own. Quote:
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?We are now dealing with another wave of 'I'm-rich-and-you're-not, my-fecal-matter-smells-better-than-yours, powerful-thanks-to-bought-and-paid-for-politicians-and-regulators, anyone-unemployed-is-a-lazy-fucking-asshole, who-cares-about-losers-who-lose-in-a-rigged-game-on-an-uneven-playing-field, motherfucking-douchebags,' from the lowly accountant at Goldman Sachs all the way up to the CEOS, because if you work for any of these cretins you are no different than the worst of them!"Would you think that was legitimate criticism, serious and worthy of discussion? |
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The ease with which you defend economic inequality, and the parasitic behavior of the rich that causes such inequality, is galling and infuriating.
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As I've said in another post. The top 1% of wage earners pay about 38% of the Federal (doesn't include state, county, and city) tax burden. While the bottom 43% of wage earners pay no Federal taxes. With about a third get money back from the government (They pay nothing in, but get money out; I guess that makes them tax takers instead of tax payers.). So, I ask you how those "evil" rich parasites?
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Ohh, BTW while everyone has been going back and forth about the occupiers, this past week the Senate passed a bill allowing the [US] military to arrest and detain (without trial, possibly indefinitely) American citizens in American. Just some food for thought.
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I agree 100%
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As for the guarantee to a job, it is a matter of the polity adopting a perspective that puts human needs first, and then enforcing that perspective. I'm no big fan of Franklin D. Roosevelt, but a quote from a speech he gave in 1932, accepting the renomination as a presidential candidate, speaks volumes: "We must lay hold of the fact that economic laws are not made by nature. They are made by human beings." Think "outside the box," instead of accepting the narrow box Americans have been put into by what we're taught, beginning in the earliest grades at school, about individualism. It's a ruse. It's designed to keep Americans from adopting the kind of social solidarity that created, in most of the world's other industrialized nations, a communal sense of social good that explains why people elsewhere are happier, healthier, and more gainfully engaged in work in larger percentages, without any illusions that the good fortune of social safety is somehow the destruction of their free will and opportunities. Oh, and those are all capitalist countries. |
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By the way, to others reading this exchange, I would like to remind everyone, and I know I speak for smc as well on this, remember forum rule 4: Do not post people's personal information, or attack people personally, stick to the issues. Do not threaten or put down other users. We strive to make this a friendly place.
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