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From the local RSL (Return Service League) which is basically a 3 story pub/club. Being easter weekend, and saturday is the only night people could drink cos it is closed friday/sunday and they would have to work tuesday, I though "hey this could be a good shot at trying to find someone". What the hell is wrong with my country?

Seriously Australia is a country where men are second to women. We are forced to settle for something less (ie a woman could be 80kg and get a muscly guy, but an overweight guy can't even land a girl with the same body fat percentage). It's all become 'man must please woman. Woman runs everything. Woman can be fat and get hot guy, but chubby guy can not get anything but the dreggs at the bottom of the barrel'. Now, before you get all judgemental on me saying "it's the personality that counts raven." and "you shouldn't judge others by their looks raven" you should understand. I'm not that picky. I KNOW it's the personality that's important, but all the women around my age were all taken by jocks (that is, muscly men who fit the current fad of what is "good looking", such as muscle guys and emo kids). The only thing that was left was the old women and the "omfg is that a whale or a girl" women.

I'm not being that judgemental am I? Since when was it so wrong to have a little bit of a standard when it comes to women? Chubby is okay yeah cos I'm not the smallest guy myself, but when in the HELL did it become so god damned hard to find ANYONE!?? NO girl there wanted to talk to me or have anything to do with me. I must have danced with at least 10 girls within the time period of an hour or so, but all of them went off thinking they were too good for me. There is a song by Korn called BBK, and the lyrics of this song ring true for me more than most could ever know. They say "There's nothing wrong wanting to be loved, is there something wrong with me?". Is there? All I want is somebody to call my own that will love me unconditionally as I would them. Don't have to be the greatest looking thing around, they just have to have a similar personality type to mine. Female, M2F. Doesn't matter.

By the way, I HATE going out drinking so this just shows how much fucking effort I'm putting in but getting nothing back. GOD I hate Australia.

See this is why Japan is the superior country. There, the women try everything they can to please the MEN. To get the MAN'S attention. I can't wait until I die cos I'm being reincarnated as a Japanese boy. That way, I can get a cute (kawaii) girlfriend in high school who will make me boxed lunches (bento) every day just to prove how much she loves me.

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Your tellin me Raven. For bigger guys it seems harder to make a love connection. I've found that i have to make three times the effort as a sterotypical " jock " kinda guy to get a positive reaction outta girls. Now i'm not saying Big girls have it any better it just sucks all around. I'm a big guy kinda a cross w/ Kevin Smith and Hurley from Lost , but have no health issues . No diabetes, and my blood pressure is better than my doctors and he's a muscular athletic guy.
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Just uploaded a photo to my avatar so you can see what I look like. I don't think I'm that bad looking personally.

I have pretty good health too. I mean yes I smoke and I drink pepsi max as 90% of my fluid intake, but that's about it. blood pressure and cholesterol are perfect/not an issue, have been tested for pretty much every health disease there is and I have none (not STD's but I don't ever have sex or sit on public toilet seats, so I know I have none).

Women are just too hung up on looks, and I can never find a TS Girl. Anywhere. Seriously I should just move to America it would make life easier for me. Alot of TG's there (and let's face it, TG or GG they all love the Australian accent), and I would have more servers to choose from in my online game Warhammer Online lol. Oh pipe dreams thou art sweet to imagine
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I hate jocks, guidos, chodes, emos, fresas and all those other schmucks. People are way too vain and materialistic nowadays. It is quite depressing to see that we have come so far with our technology and yet we are slipping backwards in the human interaction department because of it.
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I hate jocks, guidos, chodes, emos, fresas and all those other schmucks. People are way too vain and materialistic nowadays. It is quite depressing to see that we have come so far with our technology and yet we are slipping backwards in the human interaction department because of it.
AngryPostman and Raven both hit the nail on the head... when it comes to dating/pulling, it's a woman's world, and society in general is becoming ever more materialistic and shallow.... genuine deep connections that last are harder to find nowadays. It's a common theme across most of the Western world, including Blighty, where I live. You stand far less chance of meeting a suitable partner if you're unlucky enough not to conform to the prevalent social stereotype, be it "the jock", "the emo", "the financial high-flier", etc. I'm a black guy that likes white women/TS, and it's a problem I feel faced with too.

But all is not lost.... it doesn't mean that we'll NEVER find someone, it just means that we'll have to work much harder than most other guys to find that special someone. I like to think that the long hard search will make the experience of being with my ideal partner that much sweeter, when it does eventually happen. Chin up lads, keep plugging away at it!
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It always come down to looks. You can have a great personality , be the kindest most caring person in the world but heaven forbid you be a fattie. Most girls trans or genetic would rather date an athletic guy , it's always been that way. There is an obesity epidemic in the world , pretty soon thin will be a minority. In the next ice age all the thin people will struggle to stay warm and us fatties will be walking around in tank tops and shorts. So there HA!!
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From the local RSL (Return Service League) which is basically a 3 story pub/club. Being easter weekend, and saturday is the only night people could drink cos it is closed friday/sunday and they would have to work tuesday, I though "hey this could be a good shot at trying to find someone". What the hell is wrong with my country?

Seriously Australia is a country where men are second to women. We are forced to settle for something less (ie a woman could be 80kg and get a muscly guy, but an overweight guy can't even land a girl with the same body fat percentage). It's all become 'man must please woman. Woman runs everything. Woman can be fat and get hot guy, but chubby guy can not get anything but the dreggs at the bottom of the barrel'. Now, before you get all judgemental on me saying "it's the personality that counts raven." and "you shouldn't judge others by their looks raven" you should understand. I'm not that picky. I KNOW it's the personality that's important, but all the women around my age were all taken by jocks (that is, muscly men who fit the current fad of what is "good looking", such as muscle guys and emo kids). The only thing that was left was the old women and the "omfg is that a whale or a girl" women.

I'm not being that judgemental am I? Since when was it so wrong to have a little bit of a standard when it comes to women? Chubby is okay yeah cos I'm not the smallest guy myself, but when in the HELL did it become so god damned hard to find ANYONE!?? NO girl there wanted to talk to me or have anything to do with me. I must have danced with at least 10 girls within the time period of an hour or so, but all of them went off thinking they were too good for me. There is a song by Korn called BBK, and the lyrics of this song ring true for me more than most could ever know. They say "There's nothing wrong wanting to be loved, is there something wrong with me?". Is there? All I want is somebody to call my own that will love me unconditionally as I would them. Don't have to be the greatest looking thing around, they just have to have a similar personality type to mine. Female, M2F. Doesn't matter.

By the way, I HATE going out drinking so this just shows how much fucking effort I'm putting in but getting nothing back. GOD I hate Australia.

See this is why Japan is the superior country. There, the women try everything they can to please the MEN. To get the MAN'S attention. I can't wait until I die cos I'm being reincarnated as a Japanese boy. That way, I can get a cute (kawaii) girlfriend in high school who will make me boxed lunches (bento) every day just to prove how much she loves me.

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Or maybe you'll be reincarnated as a Japanese GIRL...

Come on up here to Indonesia, baby, and then I'll introduce you to the sweetest girls... the West never was a fun place anyway... trust me, I've lived most of my life in Denmark and not only are the girls un-pretty, they are also unrealisticly all dreaming of Brad Pitt - no matter how unattractive they are. But let us not resort to talking bad about the ladies. Let us instead be optimistic and change our ways, so we become continuously attractive to them. That's the only way.

I actually thought Australia was a bit more loose and interesting, but based on your words I guess it is not...

And besides that, would you really wanna score them fat, ugly white girls when you live next door to "the land of beautiful ladies"? I know I wouldn't.

Based on your avatar you're not at all a bad looking bloke, so stop the whining whining and do something about it, baby!

I do think, though, that you should maintain your loyalty to your attraction to trans*women - you will never feel fulfilled if you're not honest to yourself in this regard. Trust me.

Let me know if I can be of assistance.

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It always come down to looks. You can have a great personality , be the kindest most caring person in the world but heaven forbid you be a fattie. Most girls trans or genetic would rather date an athletic guy , it's always been that way. There is an obesity epidemic in the world , pretty soon thin will be a minority. In the next ice age all the thin people will struggle to stay warm and us fatties will be walking around in tank tops and shorts. So there HA!!
It certainly depends on what you mean by "fattie". If you're a 500 pound dude, then yes... but many girls here appreciate the more chubby guys... as a rather slim little shit I have to fight against that when going for the girls ;-)

The important thing is grooming, a nice dresser and a sweet personality. And trust me on this one. So stop whining.

Get up of your chairs, cork the beer and get DELICIOUS! How can you expect girls to fall for you if you have no selfrespect? It's quite simple, guys.

Basicly you sound like a choir of old fat ladies... and THAT will not get you the hot little trannies, baby! Be MEN, but be men in a cool way, no matter your body-mass.

Am I making sense to you?

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By the way, I HATE going out drinking so this just shows how much fucking effort I'm putting in but getting nothing back. GOD I hate Australia.

See this is why Japan is the superior country. There, the women try everything they can to please the MEN. To get the MAN'S attention. I can't wait until I die cos I'm being reincarnated as a Japanese boy. That way, I can get a cute (kawaii) girlfriend in high school who will make me boxed lunches (bento) every day just to prove how much she loves me. FUCK
Hey there, Raven--

Sorry to hear about your frustrating night. Keep the chin up and just keep working at things. My only advice (and I've said this before whenever the topic of love and dating has come up and I think others will agree) is that from my own personal experiences, it always seems to happen when you LEAST expect it. When you're trying hard and are really, really, REALLY into it...nada...no luck...not a thing. Never a tug on the ol' fishing line. After which, after putting so much effort into things or putting myself out there and not getting anything in return, I just wanted to lock myself away for feeling like such a loser.

And yet, on the other hand...every time I've then focused my energy on other things (like my work or some project I've just been meaning to throw myself into) THAT'S when I always seem to meet someone. Seriously, at a time when I was sending out brain waves that said "No, no! Go away! Not interested now!" it's as if THAT'S when I exude the strongest sexual pheromones. So, I guess my brain and my body aren't in sync!

Then again, maybe that plays into Hank's point above. When a person focuses on other things and really gets into them... and when they feel those things are going right and they're happy about them... that's when a person probably IS exuding a lot of "Hey, look at me! What a stud I am!" type of pheromones. Plus, that's when a person would subconsciously exude a lot more confidence, which does make them seem SO much more attractive.

Not to pry too much into your life, but what do you do for a living? I only ask because if you dislike Australia so much...or if you feel so constantly frustrated there...have you ever considered just packing a bag and moving? It doesn't have to be forever -- but have you ever thought about relocating for even a year or two, so you could use that time to explore other options in the dating world and meet someone? Such as a TS, which would obviously make you thrilled?
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I basically agree -- my two bones of contention being people who are Text crazy and now Twitter obsessed with their cell phones.

In terms of texting, I have a friend whose story sums it up. He was sitting at home reading, when he noticed his daughter was sprawled on the couch consumed with constantly tapping away on her cell phone. Finally he asked "What are you doing?" and she said "I'm talking to Jennifer." My friend then said, "But you're just tapping away" and she replied "I'm texting her." Looking at the clock, he then pointed out "But you've been at it for ages. Why don't you just talk to her?" and his daughter said in a frustrated tone "I AM talking to her." To which my friend replied, "But you're holding a PHONE. You could have just called her and said what you wanted to say. You could be having a real conversation with her." And his daughter simply said, "I want to talk to her, but not really talk to her." And at that point, with logic completely out the window, he just gave up.

The part that left him really shaking his head? Jennifer is a girl who only lives three homes down, on their same block.
Remember when you used to not only TALK to your friends, but actually go and see them to do it in person?
Maybe I am getting too old for today's technology...

The Twitter crazies are just a step removed as far as I'm concerned. Why anyone thinks the world needs a 24/7 update on all of their daily moves or believes the world is desperately waiting to hear their most mundane thoughts is beyond me. ("Having morning coffee. BRB. Going to bathroom now!")

I saw a picture recently that cracked me. It showed two girls walking side by side -- neither one looking at the other because they were both so absorbed and focused on their cell phones -- and the copy below said: "OMG. I was gonna engage you in a conversation, but I had to update my Twitter to tell everyone that I was walking with you and about to talk to you."
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Not to pry too much into your life, but what do you do for a living? I only ask because if you dislike Australia so much...or if you feel so constantly frustrated there...have you ever considered just packing a bag and moving? It doesn't have to be forever -- but have you ever thought about relocating for even a year or two, so you could use that time to explore other options in the dating world and meet someone? Such as a TS, which would obviously make you thrilled?
No problem Creative I don't really see it as prying. I'm a Mechanical Draftsman Trainee (basically I use AutoCAD to draw air ducts, grilles, pipes and other mechanical services in buildings so the builders know where to put them on site, and the manufacturers know what size and how long to make them). I don't really even like my job that much. It's stressful and underpaid. But therein lies the problem. How can I just pack up and move to another country for a while, if not forever, when I have no money?
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It always come down to looks. You can have a great personality , be the kindest most caring person in the world but heaven forbid you be a fattie. Most girls trans or genetic would rather date an athletic guy , it's always been that way. There is an obesity epidemic in the world , pretty soon thin will be a minority. In the next ice age all the thin people will struggle to stay warm and us fatties will be walking around in tank tops and shorts. So there HA!!
Yes looks helps but this is one Tgirl well former Tgirl who is not attracted to jocks i like to look at the whole person not just looks or bulid, i find most jocks to be jerks and stuck on there selves which is to me a big turn off Jennifer
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i do not think its your looks that are stopping you from getting laid, its your attitude. you have no self confidence and women can smell it a mile away.

I am from australia, I am vertically challenged and depending on the day about 10-15 kilos overweight but I have fucked my fair share of smoking hot women.
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Quite the contrary, when i go out i'm in the mix , the first one to strike up a conversation and even dance a little . The ladies seem to enjoy my company but then get pounced on by athletic types and poof just like that "alone again naturally". And to make it worse it's almost always the same D-bag that swoops in , I swear he's stalking me or something . So thats why my confidence is fading. But thanks for the insight.
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The grass is always greener...

You're complaining about the same thing guys in every country complain about.

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Fully agree.

It's an age-old problem.

I'm in the same sort of boat as BlueRaven. Without meaning to sound egotistical, I know I'm good looking (and tall), so I've already got the physical aspect on my side.

But this is not a case of looks. It's a case of PERSONALITY.

Raven, men go for looks; women go for personality. That is an evolutionary fact.

That doesn't mean that there aren't exceptions and variations all around, but it does say something about the underlying psychological qualities of sexual attraction.

Because men can replenish sperm exceedingly fast, they are given to desiring sex and fertile-looking bodies (i.e. hour glass figures) again and again and again. There is a lot of competition out there, so men have to keep going and beating each other to the punch. To put it crudely, they have to be the first to ejaculate in a fertile woman so that their genes can survive.

Women only ovulate once a month and must then carry a baby for nine months, followed by years of nurturing thereafter. They must be exceedingly selective with their partners, finding someone who both looks strong and healthy (i.e. inverted triangle shape) and is socially desirable, as a "guarantee" that the man's genes are "strong" genes and even that he is tough enough to stick around and protect them and their baby.

In the broadest terms possible, that is the psychological game that everyone plays to some extent or another, irrespective of gender or orientation. We are chemical beings with millions of years of evolutionary baggage. Transsexuality and transsexualism is a very profound colouring of this sharp black-and-white breakdown, but a lot of the dynamics are the same.

What does all this mean? It means that looks are important, but they're only the first link in a big chain. The rest is down to you as a person. A man must PROVE his worth to a mate. You do this by projecting confidence, good hygiene, health, wealth, popularity and other desirable traits. You don't have to be the best-looking, best-dressed, most-loaded person on the planet, but you do need to give the impression that you are a worthy mate and capable of facilitating a woman's needs.

Now, for years, people have told me, "Be cool," "Act natural," "Look happy", "Be yourself" and other bullshit platitudes. None of that means a damn. These people are only peripherally aware of a complex series of rules and behaviours you must adhere to or face failure in your courting of a girl/t-girl or whomever. My brother discovered enlightenment a few years ago and has begun teaching me. This is like Jedi training, dude!

What he came across was a fellow called Mystery and an instruction manual he's written based on an elaborate set of social principles called "The Mystery Method". Search these terms on Google and a new world will open up. But you have to be willing and able to learn. A lot of people reject the entire concept out of hand, secondary to ignorance and fear of ridicule or embarrassment. But my brother went from someone who never had a girlfriend to a guy who's had several hot girls and has been the envy of guys in scores of pubs, bars and clubs. Currently, he's dating a hot Chinese girl (after teaching himself some rudimentary Chinese to charm and impress). I met her last week and she's very nice, indeed. He credits The Mystery Method with the bulk of his success. Some people even pay thousands of dollars for personal tuition in dating, but it's possible to buy the books and learn as you go.

When you start reading The Mystery Method, you'll learn about concepts like negging and cock-blocking. The former involves deflating a girl's elevated sense of ego with back-handed compliments and gentle teases and insults (varying in severity depending on the situation and the girl), while the latter is about the fact that a girl is never on her own in a public place like a bar or club and you must appease her mates in order to gain their approval and gain access to your primary target. No one tells you this stuff because they're not consciously aware of it, but Mystery and some other guys decided to record their experiences in exact detail and look for patterns, formalising everything into a step-by-step system. The Mystery Method is the result. Because it's about dating and pulling women, it's a fringe subject and generally regarded with disdain, but after listening to my brother and starting to go through the material myself, I have concluded it is nothing less than a fully-fledged social science. Mystery is not the only exponent. Seduction is an art and a science with its own community and varying ideas and personalities.

Negging, all by itself, as I have begun to read, and as my brother has already indicated and demonstrated, is an extremely powerful way of winning a girl's approval. Forget chat-up lines. Forget saying "Hello" (although that is still vital). Negging is an extremely potent technique for indicating not only wit and humour, but courage and difference. By not directly complimenting a girl from the start, you are doing something most guys don't do, which is important for setting you apart and not having the girl roll her eyes and walk off because she's heard it all before. It's a very nuanced thing, however. It is easy to neg too much or too little. After my brother explained, I realised I had spontaneously done it a few times, usually to girls I liked (at work) but didn't super-fancy. Looking back, I could see that not being super-attracted to them made teasing easier and was something I didn't really have to put much thought into, which meant I wasn't self-conscious or awkward, which are just about the worst things you can be when trying to appear sane, healthy and desirable. For the record, I made real progress with both girls, but they were only short-term and have since left and gone to uni. The hotter the target, the harder it is - higher risk, bigger reward. You'll learn about all of this and the various ins and outs of each technique and how to use and apply them.

Seriously, man. Take the journey. It'll save your life. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystery_Method Order the books by Neil Strauss (AKA Style) and Mystery and go from there.
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The Mystery metod has it's pros and cons. Like how to engage your set w/ an amusing story and get HER to buy you a drink. And negging like " Your cute but i don't usually like blondes. " etc. the problem comes when every guy is using this method. I think most girls want to be treated special, but they end up w/ jerks and i end up in the friend zone as their shoulder to cry on. But whatever...
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19 years and counting off singlehood here.... I feel your pain raven...!
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