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To start off with; I agree pretty much with Robert Heinlein's quote:

"Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other "sins" are invented nonsense. (Hurting yourself is not sinful - just stupid)."


and one of his for Bionca:

"Being right too soon is socially unacceptable."


So you do have a "mountain to climb" and what better place than here where at least some of us have some empathy with what you are saying. Yup, I am a Bionca fan now. It's gonna take some time to get it right. Look how long it took to get where we are today on the "racial thing". We are not at the top of the mountain there yet, but we, as a society, are a lot closer than we were in the 1950s. And we need our pioneers who blaze the way. It is important that we have those who stand by their convictions and inspire others to re-examine their beliefs. I realize that we have some bad apples in this category ie. Hitler, Mussolini, Pol Pot, Pat Robertson but those who endure are the ones that count. Like Jesus of Nazareth, Ghandi, Thomas Jefferson, Charles Darwin, etc. All of them had their detractors, but who remembers their names. So please Bionca, "endeavor to persevere!"

Death Penalty? Yes, for those who have shown a complete disregard for human life themselves and there is absolutely no doubt that they are guilty. The only other option I could see for such, would be to have a escape proof reservation or island where we could just toss em in and let them live, or not live, in a society of like minded folks. No justice will ever bring back a murdered person, it's not about revenge. It is what can we do to protect society from further acts by these murderers. If it is by killing them in turn, then I would say so be it. Have there been miscarriages of justice in the US where innocent people were executed. Read:

http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/DP.html

and you will see that like many other issues, misrepresentations are made by the anti death penalty people regarding the actual facts.

To SweetCharmer who doesn't believe the death Penalty "gets us anywhere", I say that at least they won't kill again. And there are many cases of released criminal offenders who commit the very same crime they were NOT rehabilitated of, including murderers.

Speaking of Crime and Punishment; I read a SciFi story once where once a criminal was convicted of a crime, a mind block was put in his brain that suppressed all upper brain activity. The convict was able to function only on a very simple level where he was able to perform some simple work that would defray the expense of his incarcaration. One month before the end of his sentance, the mind block would be removed and he would spend his last month in solitary with periodic sessions with a therapist. He would have that time to reflect on the fact that he had just lost a portion of his life that he would never have any memory of. So a man who received a ten year term at the age of 20 would be 20 years old one day, and thirty the next, at least in his memory. Think about the deterrant that would be! Thoughts anyone?







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Could porn have some redeeming value? Part of human nature is to be suspicious and intolerant of people who don't "fit the mold". The internet has exposed the general public to a vast quantity of transsexual porn. Sooner or later anyone looking for porn is going to see shemale images. Yes this is objectifying transsexuals. However, it also is getting men used to the idea that sex is not confined exclusively to the male-female role model. Sex is ubiquitous, without labels, sex is a pleasurable experience to and with anyone. As the general public gets used to various types of *sexuals, hopefully, tolerance and acceptance will increase and we can enjoy each other as we are.
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I'm glad you realize that "shemale" is not a generally accepted universally loved term by trans women.

I don't have any issue at all with sex work. If the women has a free choice to get into and maintain that line of work, and men are willing to pay for the products/services - everyone wins. Part of the issue is that most people ONLY know trans women from porn. Not because there aren't trans gals doing other stuff, because that isn't the case. So unlike GGs TGs are only encountered in one specific way, there is no balance to maintain realism. Part of the role trans women have to take (and many many have) is to educate - but without people willing to listen and learn no amount of education is going to work. Also, at some point the educated really must start to help do the education.

Martyrs are simply people who die for a cause who are then used at a rallying point. Mr Milk's death absolutely made him a martyr - the gay political movement was galvanized by his murder and the results of the trial. We have plenty of murdered trans women, I don't particularly need or want to fill that role.

I wasn't talking about dating with my "honey and vinegar" comment. I was talking about how I address the guys here. I'm not always going to be the voice of unquestioning support and comfort. Sometimes frustration and even anger needs to be heard before people understand that something is hurtful.

Like I said, gals making money and guys spending money isn't my issue. Assuming that women of any type who do sex work are less worthy of respect or are simply objects is a problem. A common problem, but still a problem.

Also, I'm curious what you think I have been doing if not trying to get the message out that trans women are human beings? Part of that IS changing how men see trans women - pointing out how attitudes, reflected in words, contributes to an often particularly dangerous world for trans women to navigate.
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That IS what i tought you were doing and by your posts i was under the impression you were leaving, and i tought it was a mistake for you to leave because of the positive effect you have had on many people in this forum, follow the threads you posted an you will see, i and they have learned from your posts and underatand trans women better, a little good here, a little good there, it adds up, you may not change the world over nitght but you continue to educate people (subtily, excuse my french again) and other trans women do it too, and attitudes will change.

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On a completely unrelated note, Hey Natalie! What do you think of Puressence? I like that song "Walking Dead".
LOL How far off topic do you want to go?

I actually saw Puressence live sometime in the mid-90's - I had no idea they were still going. They weren't too bad as I recall.

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To SweetCharmer who doesn't believe the death Penalty "gets us anywhere", I say that at least they won't kill again. And there are many cases of released criminal offenders who commit the very same crime they were NOT rehabilitated of, including murderers.
i agree with you on the fact that they wont kill again fully. i just worry that if people get too used to the death penalty then we'll get people who will use that option at anything "he stole something frpom a store give him the death penalty so he won't commit the crime again" granted that seems a lil far fetched but its still a possibility. like wise with Sci-fi i was watching a masters of science fiction programme and one story came on where a man had killed two officers but for good reasons. he was defending himself from them and the judge in this story was an AI which just wanted to give him death right away without listening to his tesamony.
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i just worry that if people get too used to the death penalty then we'll get people who will use that option at anything "he stole something frpom a store give him the death penalty so he won't commit the crime again" granted that seems a lil far fetched but its still a possibility.

The Death Penalty is used for people who commit acts of murder and treason(generally) not as a punishment for lesser crimes. That is why the laws are set up so that the punishment must fit the crime. If you worry about the situation you described, that sounds more like a problem with the justice departments and legislature, in which case, I'd say get the hell out of Britain.
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If you worry about the situation you described, that sounds more like a problem with the justice departments and legislature, in which case, I'd say get the hell out of Britain.
trust me at the moment i want nothign more than to move to either japan or australia. but what i was getting at wasn't britain with that possibility of death for any little reason it was everywhere that had the death penalty plus it was only a wild far off thought i had not something that'll 100% happen but it might and not sometime soon i had. heh i heard something a little while ago that goes along with the treason part. in britain apparently you can be placed under arrest for placing a stamp upside down on a letter. they say its an act of treason. People. The governments of the world are being run by fucking idiots. of course i think britain has it really bad right now lol. we have a one eyed idiot as PM and a chancellor of the exchequer who thinks that spending the taxs payer's money on himself and other MPs will save us. for all those who don't know him search this guy up and take a gander(this man is so unnatural his hair and eyebrows are completly opposite colours). http://secretperson.files.wordpress....1darling_2.jpg Alistair Darling
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trust me at the moment i want nothign more than to move to either japan or australia.
Japan has a high suicide rate and Australia I hear is becoming just like Britain. But on the upside, in Australia, they have giant blue phosphorescent earthworms that emit enough light that you can use them to read a book or as a lantern. I say go with the freakish glowy earthworm thingies.
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The governments of the world are being run by fucking idiots. of course i think britain has it really bad right now lol. we have a one eyed idiot as PM and a chancellor of the exchequer who thinks that spending the taxs payer's money on himself and other MPs will save us. for all those who don't know him search this guy up and take a gander(this man is so unnatural his hair and eyebrows are completly opposite colours). http://secretperson.files.wordpress....1darling_2.jpg Alistair Darling
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