Liberal free for all coming to an end

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

Also, since the airwaves are owned by the government, a certain number of hours of TV and Radio time should be provided free for candidates.

Which candidates? With the prohibitave cost of running there are bound to be dozens, maybe hundreds more candidates. Do they all get their certain number of hours of fame?

[Tread]

Would you think a change in your political system would be a good idea?
Maybe a party proportional representation in place of a simple plurality voting system. Which could lead to multi party system, with more than two parties. Where everyone can choose a party that fits them the most instead of choosing the lesser evil.

I also get the impression that your campaigns are strongly based on blaming the others, evil rumours of the other, fear of something and money. It seems to me the own manifestos are less important, but I could have got that wrong.

[transjen]

Words of wisedom from George

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIraCchPDhk

Jerseygirl Jen

[randolph]

by David Glenn Cox

Excerp from Let the Sky Fall
Let us wipe the stars from our eyes. These Republicans are not going to cooperate, not now, not ever. They will use every tool at their disposal to subvert, obstruct, divert, and defame because, in the words of their hero, they want to see Obama fail. If you or a few million other Americans suffer, well, they just don?t care. Why should they? They never cared before; they?re the party of self, self-righteous and self-aggrandizing. They accept their wealth as a God-given prerogative to rule over the unwashed multitudes. Even now they preach if we don?t do anything the economy will fix itself in a year or two. We just have to take our medicine, but what they mean is you have to take their medicine and that?s just too bad for you.
They have proven by their behavior that they are not a party of democratic principles but a party of semi-compassionate fascism. They will cede no ground because of an election, or a wave of public sentiment. They will do whatever they deem necessary to bring down this administration, even let the sky fall. So, let the sky fall, let the sun crash and commence with the days of iron rain. Let the blood of the guilty and the tears of the innocent mix and intermingle in the sewers of greed. They seek the truth through gold, eternal life through eternal wealth, and the gospel of freedom through the cleansing of the iron rain. They see men as tools and tools as men; Heaven and Hell being all in one place, at their discretion alone. The war has begun, the blood will flow into the crop circles of the damned, and in the puddles of the iron rain.

The GOP will eventually reap what it is sowing.

[TracyCoxx]

Let us wipe the stars from our eyes. These Republicans are not going to cooperate, not now, not ever. They will use every tool at their disposal to subvert, obstruct, divert, and defame because, in the words of their hero, they want to see Obama fail.

What was it from the last election that tells you it is the republicans who must cooperate? It's not just this vague little group called the republicans that want Obama to fail. It's the red in the attached image that want Obama to fail.

The democrats are completely clueless. Apparently they just always will be. Here's Obama... "What the election means is that the voters just didn't understand what we were trying to do!" LOL. Here's another one. "We weren't spending enough!" Completely clueless. Oh well, we'll get the other half in the next election.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

What was it from the last election that tells you it is the republicans who must cooperate? It's not just this vague little group called the republicans that want Obama to fail. It's the red in the attached image that want Obama to fail.

The democrats are completely clueless. Apparently they just always will be. Here's Obama... "What the election means is that the voters just didn't understand what we were trying to do!" LOL. Here's another one. "We weren't spending enough!" Completely clueless. Oh well, we'll get the other half in the next election.

If your right, it means the end of "Liberty and Justice for All". The "Fascist" element in The Republican Party will rule the country. So much for worrying about Islamic terrorists. We will be all be to blame if this happens.

[franalexes]

"Liberty and Justice for all" was never meant to mean "The lame and the lazy shall be provided for."

Let me know when Charlie Wrangel spends jail time for tax evasion.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

"Liberty and Justice for all" was never meant to mean "The lame and the lazy shall be provided for."

Let me know when Charlie Wrangel spends jail time for tax evasion.

Gee, I didn't know that hardworking people that lost their job and are in process of losing their house as a result of things beyond their control are "lame and lazy" .
I guess I am one of the "clueless".

Yes, old Charlie should spend some jail time along with the bankers that created all these "lame and lazy" people.

[randolph]

It's amazing how many lame and lazy people we have out there. A couple of years ago, they were all working, humm. Perhaps Wallmart could hire some of them to unpack all the goods from China that we used to make here.
Or we could send them to China where they could work for fifty cents an hour with no benefits. Along with them, I suggest we send a contingent of conservatives to see how they like it.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by randolph

It's amazing how many lame and lazy people we have out there. A couple of years ago, they were all working, humm. Perhaps Wallmart could hire some of them to unpack all the goods from China that we used to make here.
Or we could send them to China where they could work for fifty cents an hour with no benefits. Along with them, I suggest we send a contingent of conservatives to see how they like it.

When the workers in China and India start demanding and receving anything near a living wage and the US workers and the US is a thrid world country and then will be happy to work for 50 cents a day then and only then will the jobs come back, Ronald R invisioned this dream and the GOP has been working hard to see it happen why do you think the GOP hates unions want to do away with min wage stop any lawsuits agianst big bussiness and wants all goverment oversight on the work place done away with
Jerseygirl Jen

[franalexes]

I remember very well when in the Clinton years and I had to train a China visitor how to do my job. It started well before W.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by franalexes

I remember very well when in the Clinton years and I had to train a China visitor how to do my job. It started well before W.

Clinton was sort of "bipolar" when it came to politics.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by transjen

When the workers in China and India start demanding and receving anything near a living wage and the US workers and the US is a thrid world country and then will be happy to work for 50 cents a day then and only then will the jobs come back, Ronald R invisioned this dream and the GOP has been working hard to see it happen why do you think the GOP hates unions want to do away with min wage stop any lawsuits agianst big bussiness and wants all goverment oversight on the work place done away with
Jerseygirl Jen

Its just a rerun of the 1930s. The conservatives hated FDR. Some of them even attempted to get a general to take over Washington and set up a semi-fascist state. Many of the big corporations had close business ties with Nazi Germany (Ford, Dow, IBM, etc). We are not that far off, big business controlls Congress and is bankrolling their corporate puppets the Tea Party.

[transjen]

What everyone forgets is NAFTA was laid out by George H Bush and Ronald Reagan ,Clinton was left that piece of crap and foolishly he signed it
I rember then president George H Bush being asked about the jobs that will be lost and his answer was well yeah some of the low paying low skilled jobs will be lost but they will then get high paid high skilled jobs to make up for it and today we have an 10 percent unemployment to show for it and all the tax cuts in the world will not bring the jobs back the jobs will come back only when the US works will work for 50 cents a day with no bennies
Jerseygirl Jen

[randolph]

If the Democrats had any balls they would not put up with this.

[GRH]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Let me know when Charlie Wrangel spends jail time for tax evasion.

Charlie committed no crimes, unlike Republican fanboy Tom DeLay.

[franalexes]

Originally Posted by GRH

Charlie committed no crimes, unlike Republican fanboy Tom DeLay.

To bad for Charlie that the IRS and the democrat House doesn't know that.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

If the Democrats had any balls they would not put up with this.

Even BO will compromise and allow the super rich to keep their tax cuts lol.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Even BO will compromise and allow the super rich to keep their tax cuts lol.

BO is a PUSSIE!

Nancy Pelosi for President!

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

BO is a PUSSIE!

Nancy Pelosi for President!

For Russia maybe lol

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

For Russia maybe lol

LOL I thought you would get a kick out of that.

Seriously, the Democrats needs to come up with someone just as mean as the Republicans.
Suggestions anyone?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

LOL I thought you would get a kick out of that.

Seriously, the Democrats needs to come up with someone just as mean as the Republicans.
Suggestions anyone?

No one can out-mean Pelosi. And Harry Reid is a bastard as well. Not only is he satisfied with cramming that health care down the country's throat without a vote that affected 1/6 of the country's economy, he's going to try and make millions of illegals legal as well without a vote. And this is RIGHT AFTER seeing how Americans reacted to being cut out of the process with the health bill. Harry Reid's Dream Act says to Americans: Fuck You.

I saw the 4 leading Republican names for the 2012 presidential ticket:
Sarah Palin - aka religious fundie
Newt Gingrich - aka religious fundie
Mitt Romney - aka religious fundie
Mike Huckabee - aka extreme religious whackjob

I thought the Tea Party was going to give us better alternatives than this.

[TracyCoxx]

Guess what boys & tgirls. Looks like another *&^($ stimulus package is on its way. Over $800 billion more of what we don't have, raising the debt past $14 trillion. Let's all bend over for China

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Guess what boys & tgirls. Looks like another *&^($ stimulus package is on its way. Over $800 billion more of what we don't have, raising the debt past $14 trillion. Let's all bend over for China

What happens when the worlds largest economy goes bankrupt?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

What happens when the worlds largest economy goes bankrupt?

Uh, we can cut spending? oh what am I saying. That's just crazy talk.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

Uh, we can cut spending? oh what am I saying. That's just crazy talk.

The right has, since FDR, been determined to eliminate all public services (social security, welfare, food stamps, etc.) that he instituted. What do you think would happen if they got their wish?

[transjen]

Originally Posted by randolph

Nancy Pelosi for President!

UM NO!!!!!!
if that was to ever happen i'll need to learn the words to OH CANADA
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

The right has, since FDR, been determined to eliminate all public services (social security, welfare, food stamps, etc.) that he instituted. What do you think would happen if they got their wish?

It would be a heck of a lot worse than if the dollar collapsed because we couldn't get our spending under control. Is a $14 trillion debt just too big for you or anyone else to comprehend so you ignore it? So you just go on and act as if it doesn't exist and say ok, now back to our entitlements....

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by transjen

UM NO!!!!!!
if that was to ever happen i'll need to learn the words to OH CANADA
Jerseygirl Jen

You can do that. I'll party with my polar bear brethren. Hopefully, ila won't mind the influx of forum members at his igloo...

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

BO is a PUSSIE!

Nancy Pelosi for President!

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

For Russia maybe lol

Too late. Vladmir Putin is the President of Russia and he is by far alot more badass than Pelosi. She will have to go be in charge of another country which embraces the principles of a kleptocracy, preferably Zimbabwae, Nigeria, Venezuela or Cuba.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It would be a heck of a lot worse than if the dollar collapsed because we couldn't get our spending under control. Is a $14 trillion debt just too big for you or anyone else to comprehend so you ignore it? So you just go on and act as if it doesn't exist and say ok, now back to our entitlements....

Typcial GOP BS,

The hugh debit was not made by entitlements this hugh debit was made by Bush's tax cuts for the rich and the two wars he started
Ending entitlements completely will no where near elimitate the debit
If the GOP really called about the debit they would not be adding trillions to it by keeping the tax cuts for the rich

[ila]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

You can do that. I'll party with my polar bear brethren. Hopefully, ila won't mind the influx of forum members at his igloo...

No problem. Come on up. There's always room for my good friends from tlb.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by ila

No problem. Come on up. There's always room for my good friends from tlb.

Could S. Californians stay warm up there?

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

It would be a heck of a lot worse than if the dollar collapsed because we couldn't get our spending under control. Is a $14 trillion debt just too big for you or anyone else to comprehend so you ignore it? So you just go on and act as if it doesn't exist and say ok, now back to our entitlements....

I don't think anyone including conservatives comprehends the huge debt.
If the conservatives would get serious about the debt, they would support canceling the huge tax break for the rich.

[The Conquistador]

Originally Posted by randolph

Could S. Californians stay warm up there?

Yes. Booze and firewood will keep you warm, unless you want to spoon with polar bears!

[randolph]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

Yes. Booze and firewood will keep you warm, unless you want to spoon with polar bears!

Well, I don't know about the spooning business.

[ila]

Originally Posted by randolph

Well, I don't know about the spooning business.

Running will also keep you warm.

Now you know what happens when you drop by and don't bring any beer with you.

[ila]

Originally Posted by The Conquistador

Yes. Booze and firewood will keep you warm, unless you want to spoon with polar bears!

Yes, that's true on all counts. I also know for a fact that snuggling with my girl keeps the two of us warm.

[transjen]

Originally Posted by randolph

Well, I don't know about the spooning business.

Depends on the bear, i wouldn't touch a mama grizzy with a ten foot pole but polar bears are cute and cuddly

Jerseygirl Jen

[randolph]

Originally Posted by transjen

Depends on the bear, i wouldn't touch a mama grizzy with a ten foot pole but polar bears are cute and cuddly

Jerseygirl Jen

Humm, Does that include Ila?

[transjen]

Originally Posted by randolph

Humm, Does that include Ila?

Well his polar bear is cute but i like BOO BOO better

Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

Typcial GOP BS,

The hugh debit was not made by entitlements this hugh debit was made by Bush's tax cuts for the rich and the two wars he started
Ending entitlements completely will no where near elimitate the debit
If the GOP really called about the debit they would not be adding trillions to it by keeping the tax cuts for the rich

I didn't say debit. I said debt. And I think you're thinking of deficit rather than debt. Deficit is the amount we over spend each year, and yes we had some ass kicking to do after 9/11 and it cost some money. I've said it before and I'll say it again. BO has already outspent Bush's over spending by several times.

I'm talking about the soon to be $14 trillion DEBT which is the amount we owe to other countries. It has been growing over the last century and has really taken off since Nixon took us off the gold standard. When we get back to something Bush did we'll call you ok?

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by randolph

I don't think anyone including conservatives comprehends the huge debt.
If the conservatives would get serious about the debt, they would support canceling the huge tax break for the rich.

We can't pay off the debt if our economy grinds to a halt. You drastically raise taxes for business owners (i.e. the rich) in the middle of a recession and that's what you'll do. And guess what. The democrats will be wanting more trillion dollar stimulus packages and continue raising the debt to help all the out of work people because you want to tax businesses to death. We need to allow the economy to recover, and cut spending, people will return to work and the debt will go down.

[randolph]

Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

We can't pay off the debt if our economy grinds to a halt. You drastically raise taxes for business owners (i.e. the rich) in the middle of a recession and that's what you'll do. And guess what. The democrats will be wanting more trillion dollar stimulus packages and continue raising the debt to help all the out of work people because you want to tax businesses to death. We need to allow the economy to recover, and cut spending, people will return to work and the debt will go down.

Part of the unemployment problem is companies are hording cash and not hireing because productivity is keeping up with demand. Unless demand increases faster than productivity companies will not hire. So what increases demand? Putting people back to work.
We need to make our own stuff. Rich American companies are making their stuff in China. It's time to tax the profits of goods made outside the US.

[transjen]

No i said debit ie like a magic card you insert and money comes pouring out

I think we can both agree something needs to be done about the sea of red ink started by W,

Where we disaggree on is who has to pay for it as you and the GOP feels the poor and working poor and midclass should foot the bill and suffer all the pain and the rich can live as they have and not worry about it
since 01 the rich and bussiness has had all the breaks and this trickle down did not create jobs all it did was create more red ink while the rich got richer
Trickle down is the biggest load of horse crap ever spoon feed to the US public in truth is a reverse Robin Hood that steals from the poor and gives to the rich as the rich pisses on the poors back and tells em it's raining
You want to drain the red ink then raise taxes you want to create jobs start putting a big taxes on all imports and perhaps then companies will start making good in the US
The rich has had 8 years of massive tax cuts and it's time they start paying for there party
I'm waiting for the GOP's next FU tax gimmick where they will claim Bussiness should not pay any yaxs at all and the employees should pay the taxes for em
wait an see it will happen
Jerseygirl Jen

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

No i said debit ie like a magic card you insert and money comes pouring out

I think we can both agree something needs to be done about the sea of red ink started by W,

This isn't something we agree on. Bush did not create the debt.

Originally Posted by transjen

Where we disaggree on is who has to pay for it as you and the GOP feels the poor and working poor and midclass should foot the bill and suffer all the pain and the rich can live as they have and not worry about it
since 01 the rich .... snip

I think you were born in '01. You have no concept of any other president other than Bush & BO. That there was debt before Bush comes as news to you. If anyone thinks he's got a magic debit card it's BO. He's printed several trillion dollars since he's come into office. If you can cite a time when Bush contributed more to the debt than your beloved Obama then by all means, tell me. Otherwise this is becoming a bore.

[transjen]

OF course W is innocent after all he started with a balanced budget and for the first time ever the goverment had money left over and your great little runt W who stole the election pissed it all away the first few months he stole power by round one of his tax cuts for the rich and starting the sea of red ink then he started two wars and did a second round of tax cuts for the rich then he bailed out wall street and then he started the US car makers bailout and yet you have the balls to say W didn't create this mess
I don't care how bored you get but the truth is W started the sea of red ink and trickle down economics only adds more red
Bo screwed up by caving in to the GOP and allowing two more years of tax cuts for the rich adding 900 million to the red ink all thanks to the GOP who demanded the rich not pay taxes the same GOP who ran on ending the debt
So tell me agian how the GOP is innocent and none of this is there fault and don't give me any of Rush or Palins made up BS
Jerseygirl Jen

[randolph]

What Republicans are determined to ignore is that labor creates wealth. The miners digging ore, the assemblers in the auto plant, the machinist making machines, these are the people making wealth. Businessmen (CEOs) take that created wealth and distribute most of it to themselves. Its true enough that managers allocate and manage labor to optimize the creation of wealth but they do not create it, the workers create it. Even on Wallstreet if the guys behind the computers went home, no wealth would be created.
Basically, the Republicans want a slave economy where they get all of the benefit from labor and don't have to pay for it.
This is what they want and they are determined to get it. Hopefully, soon the workers in this country will wake up, but I doubt it.

[TracyCoxx]

Originally Posted by transjen

OF course W is innocent after all he started with a balanced budget and for the first time ever the goverment had money left over and your great little runt W who stole the election pissed it all away the first few months he stole power by round one of his tax cuts for the rich and starting the sea of red ink...

Etc etc... It's the same old discredited arguments as before.

In other news, Pelosi wants to have a party to celebrate all that congress has accomplished!! LOL! You just can't make this stuff up.

[randolph]

Obama's Huge Would-Be Gift To The Scions Of The Super-Rich

by Dan Froomkin
WASHINGTON -- Millionaires and billionaires would reap big rewards if President Obama's tax cut deal becomes law, but thanks to the agreement's estate-tax provisions it's their heirs who will make a real killing.
The estate tax is a particularly hot-button issue with progressives who see the increase of income inequality and loss of social mobility as being the main underlying problems with modern American society. (Credit: Reuters/Rick Wilking)
The Obama concession that's getting most of the attention in the media is the one that would extend the Bush income tax cuts even for households making over $250,000 a year. That's a gift to your average millionaire of $139,000 a year for the next two years. But it's the estate tax cut which, despite its relatively lower public profile, has proven even harder for congressional Democrats to swallow. Obama's deal would free an estimated 40,000 of the biggest estates in the country each year that would otherwise have been subject to the tax from paying a single penny.
And the approximately 3,500 estates that would remain subject to the tax at all -- consisting of the top 0.14 percent of all U.S. estates each year -- would pay at a much lower rate.
Compared to current law, that would amount to a gift in 2011 averaging about $3.5 million for each of the thousand or so estates worth $20 million or more.
The total cost to the taxpayers would be about $23 billion a year.

So it doesn't matter who is in the Whitehouse, we will be screwed by the rich. Over Over and over