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Why not it would kinda be like vectored mass (vectored to the other side of the big bang and linked to tachions in that universe?).

Because to create so much mater you would need huge ammounts of energy but if you if the big bang created a positive and a negative universe on opposite plains, the energy needed becomes much smaller and sustainable, obviously can't proove it one way or the other, but it would explain a lot.

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Why not it would kinda be like vectored mass (vectored to the other side of the big bang and linked to tachions in that universe?).

Because to create so much mater you would need huge ammounts of energy but if you if the big bang created a positive and a negative universe on opposite plains, the energy needed becomes much smaller and sustainable, obviously can't proove it one way or the other, but it would explain a lot.

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The positive energy that particles are made up of are balanced by their gravity field (i.e. negative potential energy)
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Negative potential energy...

Well, like a mass above ground would have positive potential, negative potential energy would be like an under water bubble of air trying to get to the surface or like a negative electrical charge or anti mater type of negative potential energy?

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Negative potential energy...

Well, like a mass above ground would have positive potential, negative potential energy would be like an under water bubble of air trying to get to the surface or like a negative electrical charge or anti mater type of negative potential energy?

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When I said "negative potential energy", I should have said "negative energy (or potential energy)" meaning potential energy is negative energy.
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Hi there.

Alot was said about tachions, but what about the theory of folding space?

It would make travel speed almost irrelevant.

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Alot was said about tachions, but what about the theory of folding space?

It would make travel speed almost irrelevant.

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I both believe in extraterrestrial intelligent life and have seen UFOs. In August 2000, me and my sister were looking out the bedroom window of the upstairs of my house. We saw a light in the distance. A plane route used to fly in the same direction, so we thought it was a plane. But then as it came closer we saw it was flying too low and too slowly to be a plane. It flew over the trees and houses across the street and then directly over my house. We ran from the front to the back of the house to watch it come over the other side but it was long gone. It travelled about five miles per hour and was very loud, like a rumbling. It was about 20 feet above the roof of the house. It was an octagon shape with a bright white light on each of the eight corners. This occurred about 10:30 at night. The craft was black. After it had gone, we rushed down the stairs to my mother and asked if she just heard the loud rumbling. She said no. It was loud enough for her to hear, I know that. This ended up giving me suspicions that I had also experienced "missing time", which is a common symptom of UFO encounters. Missing time occurs when a period of time passes without you knowing, maybe because you were unconscious, dazed or hypnotised. I think that the craft's technology gave off an energy that causes such, which is why as it passed over, it was gone before we could see it come over the back. I never looked at the clock after the sighting. I don't know how much time had passed between the initial sighting and us running to the back of the house to see it come over. To my knowledge and sister's knowledge it was only seconds. But because of "missing time", it could have been minutes or even hours.

Whether the craft was alien or a government experiment, I don't know. I do know that I saw something that is not currently used on this planet publically. I do though, believe in the existence of intelligent alien life that is visiting this planet and has been for thousands of years.
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I both believe in extraterrestrial intelligent life and have seen UFOs. In August 2000, me and my sister were looking out the bedroom window of the upstairs of my house. We saw a light in the distance....
Awesome! Did you get pictures? Or did anyone else in your neighborhood get pictures?
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"A teaser?"

"Yeah."

"Er, what is ..."

"A teaser? Teasers are usually rich kids with nothing to do. They
cruise around looking for planets which haven't made interstellar
contact yet and buzz them."

"Buzz them?" Arthur began to feel that Ford was enjoying making life
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"Yeah", said Ford, "they buzz them. They find some isolated spot with
very few people around, then land right by some poor soul whom no
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If I had pictures they would have been posted here.
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If I had pictures they would have been posted here.
Ohhh..... Well next time a big, otherworldly brightly lit craft very slowly goes over your house and your neighborhood at a mere 20 ft & 5 mph making all kinds of noise... TAKE A DAMN PICTURE! LOL

I find it incredible that no one else living around you took pictures that you might have as well. I'd say about 1 in 5 houses around you would have a digital camera ready to go at a moments notice. Oh well... another UFO that got away story.

Even with fast moving meteors, someone's bound to have a camera (sometimes two) on it:
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Ohhh..... Well next time a big, otherworldly brightly lit craft very slowly goes over your house and your neighborhood at a mere 20 ft & 5 mph making all kinds of noise... TAKE A DAMN PICTURE! LOL

I find it incredible that no one else living around you took pictures that you might have as well. I'd say about 1 in 5 houses around you would have a digital camera ready to go at a moments notice. Oh well... another UFO that got away story.
I was 12 years old and didn't own a camera. And like I said, a plane route runs through the neighborhood, so loud jet engines are common. Maybe not as loud as the sound that night but still, most people would have ignored it. It was also night, so no one is outside looking at the sky. Maybe someone DID see something. It was never brought up to the neighbors.
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I think that communicating with it via Harold Faltermeyers Axel F song would have been a more appropriate response rather than snapping pics. But that's just me.
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If I see a skunk and there are no signs of defence from it, I would be curious about it, and I would try to get closer. But if I would see something Alien like, 3 times, I would try to know as much as possible about it. I can’t belief someone recognize harmless Aliens and has no further interest and walk on as usual.
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Hey, you assume they were aliens, maby they were, maby not, animals have good instincts about things and people and since my dog didn't see them as hostile or a threat and i kinda concured, and i was keeping an eye on them, but if you weren't there you can't say i would have done this and that, you simply weren't there.

Seeing things that are as unusual as these little guys i acted caushiously, in retrospect the only thing i should have done i didn't was to try to communicate with them but i was a bit nervous every time i saw them, and as i said they didn't do anything that could be interpreted as hostile.

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Hey, you assume they were aliens, maby they were, maby not
I said Alien like, not Alien.
But it's not that far to think of Aliens in a UFO Thread and your description of them:
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... i saw 3 little guys that were an almost transparent light grey, about 18" tall ...
... they seemed to have brought some other less evolved creatures of ther type with them ...
... the 3 little guys changed their appearrance to look like weeds but light grey in color ...

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Hey, you assume they were aliens, maby they were, maby not, animals have good instincts about things and people and since my dog didn't see them as hostile or a threat and i kinda concured, and i was keeping an eye on them, but if you weren't there you can't say i would have done this and that, you simply weren't there.

Seeing things that are as unusual as these little guys i acted caushiously, in retrospect the only thing i should have done i didn't was to try to communicate with them but i was a bit nervous every time i saw them, and as i said they didn't do anything that could be interpreted as hostile.
I can tell you about the "good instincts" about two neighbours and their dogs. One is happy to see any human, burglar, postman, visitors and so on. The other neighbour dog is afraid of everything that is not permanently there (except for its pride), cars, cats, birds, postman, people that walk closer than 50m (165feet), I guess even leafs.
I give nothing to dog instinct.

I'm sure that I would have done this, at the place I live and there is no sign of danger, especially in a "VERY QUIET" place.

You were acting caushiously, don't went close enough to identify them, but through a snowball near them?

I can't belief this story.

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Ach, sounds to me like an encounter with "the little people." It is best not mess with them. They have some rather advanced weapons to go along with their cloaking "camoflage" equipment. You might end up like Rip Van Winkle and be out of it for a hundred years.
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Hi there.

Hey Jenae, everything's a big joke to you, isn't it?


And Tread, my dog had good instincts about those things.

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If Jenae were an alien, I'd let her "anal probe" me.

Animals have very good instincts. They are by nature cautious beings. The only reason some pets are klutzy and curious is because the process of domestication keeps them from experiencing stuff that they would normally learn to fear or be wary of. Kinda like how over bearing parents keep their children sheltered and those kids usually end up having a tough time adjusting to new things.
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Hey Jenae, everything's a big joke to you, isn't it?

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No, actually about half joke and half serious there.

I think it is possible that the legends of "the little people" ie. leprachauns, fairies, brownies, etc could be based partly on encounters with non-terrestrial beings.

I for one do not think that UFOs and alien encounters are anything new. There are numerous examples of UFO type images in old artwork that are hard to explain otherwise. Here are some examples.
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And Tread, my dog had good instincts about those things.
If you thrust your dog's instinct, I can't understand your behaviour.
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Hi there.

I tought about it and remembered that i went home after the little guys had left, also i didn't go around the fence was because i didn't think it was a good idea was because i wasn't sure what i was dealing with AND that my dog would follow me and then he could then stray or interfeer with the little guys, and they were gone soon after i tought about it, so i probably wouldn't have made it close to them anyway.

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I tought about it and remembered that i went home after the little guys had left, also i didn't go around the fence was because i didn't think it was a good idea was because i wasn't sure what i was dealing with AND that my dog would follow me and then he could then stray or interfeer with the little guys, and they were gone soon after i tought about it, so i probably wouldn't have made it close to them anyway.
You said you saw them 3 times, how slow do you think? You had 96 hours, two little guys sightings and two strange cloud sightings before you saw them the last time.

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hello every buddy

your opinions all seems to be logicall! , there may be a life or may be not , I will put the possibilities here about the whole ( ufo ) and life in space generally ! in random order :

1- there is no life but on earth !

2- there is a primitive lives on other planets ( like bacteria or birds >> etc)

3- there is a people like us , know about us but don't have the possibilities to communicate with us , or don't know about our existance at all

4- there is a live , that is very intelligent and very strong , that look to us as an insects or primitive beens and just simply monitor our progress and ignoring us !

5- there is a live , that still trying to find a way to destroy earth !


pick up the idea that you believe in most ... search on google and you will find an evidance - even sometimes weak and illogical - that will support your idea !
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Some more possibilities:

6. We are the extraterrestrial life that travelled with a comet or meteor on earth and developed to all existing life.

7. They visit us as gods and teach us, like some views of Egyptians gods.

8. The Aliens live undiscovered on earth.

9. Alien life that uses earth for vacation or hunting.

10. Other plasma-, energy-, antimatter life forms that can't communicate with us.

11. Intelligent life that is not interest in us.

The Sci-Fi geeks may know more.
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6. We are the extraterrestrial life that travelled with a comet or meteor on earth and developed to all existing life.

7. They visit us as gods and teach us, like some views of Egyptians gods.

8. The Aliens live undiscovered on earth.

9. Alien life that uses earth for vacation or hunting.

10. Other plasma-, energy-, antimatter life forms that can't communicate with us.

11. Intelligent life that is not interest in us.

The Sci-Fi geeks may know more.
I like #9.
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Predator anyone? As long as Arnold and Danny Glover are around,we have nothing to fear.
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Hi there.

I saw them 3 times and i had to mind my dog and i kept my eyes on them in between making sure my dog wasn't straying and one time they were there then the next they weren't i have no idea how they came on went, but they didn't stay very long a few minutes, and as i already said, report what to whome? The cops? Hey officer i saw some little grey guys. Hey dude this guy saw some lepricons...

Also, ever see the movie "Dances with wolves" where Kevin Costner's character befreinds a lone wolf by feeding it a bit and using it's sences and INSTINCTS to his advantage?

Any way if you don't believe, don't believe, i described what i saw, maby i hallucinated the whole thing, but a never did hallucinegenics, didn't drink much, and never on those nights, haven't done drugs in years, i don't think there is much to add.

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Hi there.

Jenae, you may be many things, but off the cuff witty, not one of them, i was hoping YOU would have ansewered something like this:

Big joke? Did you see your avatar lately? and aren't you the one that's always cracking some one liners filled with rhymes, double entendres, and sarcasm?

Thinking about it later, is not off the cuff!

If i wanted someone to write jokes with you wouldn't be my first choice, nor my tenth, but, if i needed some facts or some statistics, then you'd be my first choice, as the pics on your post attest to.

And don't be offended, i didn't mean this in a bad way, i just meant that everyone is different and has their stong points and their weak points, and it IS a good thing to know where we excel and were we don't.

And that question has been posed to me several times and my ansewer has always been roughly the same:

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I saw them 3 times and i had to mind my dog and i kept my eyes on them in between making sure my dog wasn't straying and one time they were there then the next they weren't i have no idea how they came on went, but they didn't stay very long a few minutes, and as i already said, report what to whome? The cops? Hey officer i saw some little grey guys. Hey dude this guy saw some lepricons...
I wasn't talking of reporting, but self investigating.
I'm open to strange sightings, but search for a logical explanation, like hundreds of years old and most not believed stories about freak waves or ball-lightning's. It's your behaviour that I don't belief and out of that your story.
I see every night glowing little beings or small clouds that move totally unnatural at the same place, but I never took a minute to walk around the fence to take a closer look.
Every morning I see 50cm (20inch) big humanoid footsteps in my garden, but I never had the effort to watch who made these.
In my pool lives a Plesiosauria that jumps up and catches flying ducks, but I don't care about it, never told one or took a picture.


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Also, ever see the movie "Dances with wolves" where Kevin Costner's character befreinds a lone wolf by feeding it a bit and using it's sences and INSTINCTS to his advantage?
No. I don't meant wild wolves, I meant pet dogs, like TheAngryPostman described. But I would never generally say that animals have good instincts. Ever saw someone watch an ant or a snail and heard the person say: WOW! What great instinct it has? Or remember the epic instinct of the Dodo?
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Ever saw someone watch an ant or a snail and heard the person say: WOW! What great instinct it has? Or remember the epic instinct of the Dodo?
Remember, these are exceptions, not the norm. Besides, if ants and snails had such horrible instincts they would have been wiped out a long time ago or would have ended up as a frenchmans dinner.
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Remember, these are exceptions, not the norm. Besides, if ants and snails had such horrible instincts they would have been wiped out a long time ago or would have ended up as a frenchmans dinner.
Ants are some of the, perhaps the, most successful Animals on earth. A single individual is nothing, a single ant can't do much, the group make them strong. They don't need something like instinct to survive. Same successful collective strategy as bees, wasps, hornets, termites, roaches (in an early state), some crabs and naked mole rats.
A high individual amount, a good shell or stings, chemical weapon or poison, fast reaction (senses not instinct), simple bigness or a good camouflage are other great working strategies to survive.
The most animals of one kind on earth are little crabs that are one component of plankton. Instinct wouldn't help them.

I would say that the biggest animal group (insects) don't have something that could be called instinct.
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I would say that the biggest animal group (insects) don’t have something that could be called instinct.
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What you say couldn't be more wrong. From the Encyclopedia Britannica:

Natural history » Behaviour » Instincts

The insect orients itself by responding to the stimuli it receives. Formerly, insect behaviour was described as a series of movements in response to stimuli. That hypothesis has been supplanted by one that holds that the insect has a central nervous system with built-in patterns of behaviour or instincts that can be triggered by environmental stimuli. These responses are modified by the insect’s internal state, which has been affected by preceding stimuli. Patterns of behaviour range from comparatively simple reflex responses (e.g., the avoidance of adverse stimuli, the grasping of a rough surface on contact with the claws) to elaborate behavioral sequences (e.g., searching for mates, courtship, mating, and locating egg laying sites; hunting, capturing, and eating prey). The highest developments of behaviour, found in social insects such as the ants, bees, and termites, are based on the instinct principle.
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As far as determining the most successful animal on Earth? No contest. What animal could be found on anyplace on Earth except the extreme depths of the oceans. What animal can create an environment that is totally devoid of other life than that which is contained within himself? What animal can escape the boundries of Earth and travel to another planetary body? What animal is the most adaptive to the most extremes of physical surroundings?
I can guarantee it isn't crabs or ants.
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The problem is that instinct hasn't a clear defintion. I was referring to fear or to be aware of danger. I took the meaning of instinct from the mention in this thread:
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I should have say this explicit.

You described another meaning of instinct that is correct, but this would exclude the meaning of instinct we are talking here. Because the fear or recognizing danger of dogs or wolves is a learned behaviour and not an automatically, irresistible, occur at some point in development, be triggered by some event in the environment, occur in every member of the species (or castes), be unmodifiable and govern behaviour.

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Ok, Tread, we only seem to disagree, so why don't we agree to disagree?

Cause to me this isn't going anywhere.


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I agree with you to agree to disagree.
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Hi there.

The universe is believed to be infinite, so it has no middle, no edge or end.

But the BIG BANG started somewhere, and the stars and planets etc. all originated from that point, and it is, the center of the the universe as starting point of all stellar bodies, so the oldest stars would be farthest from that point (in any and all directions) and the youngest ones would be closest to that point assuming that it is fixed.

And as far as i know we are not at either end of that point, but somewhere in the middle, so there are planets that are older than ours and some younger, the older ones could and probably have evolved life before ours and they would be more advanced than us, and may very well have interstellar capabilities, and they could and probably have visited many other worlds including ours, as we would if we had interstelar capabilities.

But if they are more advanced, they would also hopefully be wiser and avoid direct contact with a younger planet as we would be to them, but they might keep an eye on us and other younger inhabited worlds, thus the UFO phenomenon.

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.......or maybe someone's science project.
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Hi there.

Well, we have mapped out our DNA, and we are genetically engeneering plants and cloning animals, in a few decades we should be able to create life from scratch, and the possibility of seeding a planet could be someone's science project.


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Well haven't seen any flying disks or strange objects in the sky yet other then shooting stars ( space junk falling to earth ).
but true they are some life forms out there but not in our reach like about
25,000 to 42,000 light years away in fact our closes galaxy Canis Major Dwarf galaxy may hold some life forms.

WE are not alone!....
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While I believe life may exist in other galaxies I don't believe we experienced a phenomenon like Roswell.

I believe aliens might of been a cover story to keep the Soviet Union off their guard while the US developed new types of aircraft.

I'm not a conspiracy nut either I just think that makes the most sense.
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Hi there.

According to astronomers, there are billions of stars out there, and only this one would have a planet with life on it?

To me it seems almost impossible that we are on the only planet in the universe that can and does have life on it.

There are 3 types of stars, huge ones that are not that bright or warm, there are the small, very bright and very hot ones, both of wich wouldn't be good candidates to support life, but the medium stars, that are medium heat and brightness, like ours, are, even if there are only a few millions of these, some have to have life on them, had life or will have life, because ther is nothing special about this world that would make it much more likely to have life than any other similar planet in a similar solar system, as far as i know anyway.

And also statistically, if something happened once it is likely to happen again and have happened before, of course there is always a first time, and often a last time also.


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This is part of an interview with Edgar Mitchell, an astronaut who went to the moon. He maintains the Roswell incident was a real UFO and claims a high government official confirmed his view of the event.

"IK: Well first of all thanks very much for making a little time. I wanted to ask you if there was anything about the radio interview you did that was different from what you've said in the past.

EM: No, there's nothing different. Several of (the reports of the interview) that I've seen come around have some flaws in them. Some of the reports pushed it or spun it incorrectly. NASA had nothing to do with anything I've done. I wasn't briefed by NASA. There haven't been any sightings as a result of my flight service there, so if that part of it comes out on anything you've seen it is just totally wrong.

IK: Yes, I did want to clarify that.

EM: My major knowledge comes from what I call the old-timers, people who were at Roswell and subsequent who wanted to clear the things up and tell somebody credible even though they were under severe threats and things -- this was back in the Roswell days. Having gone to the moon and being a local citizen out in the Roswell area some of them thought I would be a safe choice to tell their story to, which they did. Even though the government put real clamps on everybody, it got out anyhow.

Subsequent to that, I did take my story to the Pentagon -- not NASA, but the Pentagon -- and asked for a meeting with the Intelligence Committee of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and got it. And told them my story and what I know and eventually had that confirmed by the admiral that I spoke with, that indeed what I was saying was true.

IK: You mean what had been told to you was true?

EM: Yup, in other words. There was a UFO crash. There was an alien spacecraft. This gentleman tried his damndest to get me in and like so many others in the administration over the last 60 years, since JFK's time, was unable to. He was told 'Admiral, you don't have a need to know, and therefore go get lost,' essentially."
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:D If nothing else, it flew nicely...
Goes to show how inventive and mischevious some people are!
Imagine what you might think if you saw that thing silently floating over your house some dark night...

Another totally different kind of UFO...
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