Vicious comments from women

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by Bionca
Some of the MOST vicious things directed to me and my friends (as well as more famous trans*) have been from natal women. Women are probably more critical of gendered presentation than men are (ask any natal woman who was tall, chunky, a tom-boy who was meaner boys or girls).

Coming from a girl whose well-balanced comments I generally value highly, this comment posted by her some time ago hit me like a brick, and it is still bothering me today.

I was surprised because I have come to believe that women are on the whole more tolerant towards gay relations than men. Why then would their attitude towards the third gender be so very different?

I would love to hear from other girls here. Do you have the same experience and what do you think the reason could be? Could there perhaps be jealousy involved?

[new believer]

I usually take Bionca's comments as gospel. She is bright , articulate and pretty much 'street wise'. On this comment however I might see a different perspective. I've dated mostly tall girls/women in my life. about 1/3 were taller than I at six foot tall. (maybe that's my attraction to TG's) The girls/women were always self conscious of their height, and even walked slightly 'stooped' over in an attempt to minimize the fact. I always had to urge them on to be proud of who they are. As far as their outlook to others, they knew more gays then I and enjoyed their company. Perhaps they felt a kinship of being 'different'. The couple of girls who were tom boys, also liked a gay friend of ours when he 'came out'. Haven't seen those girls in a long time so it could be that they're lesbians and that friend of ours could have been their training ground to future endeavors. Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just defending tall women. I have seen only a couple of rude actions/comments against gays,but never by a gg. As for TG's, never knew one in the past or present so Bionca could be speaking on a plain I know nothing of. But I hope she has experienced only isolated incidents.
Still, Bionca has my deepest respect and regards. NB

[ila]

I have watched documentaries on television and read artcles in various media in which gg's have made the most snide, rude remarks about transwomen. The gg's concerned were not at all accepting of transwomen. This doesn't mean that all gg's are rude to transwomen as I have seen gg's speaking in support of transwomen.

The same also holds true for men. Some men accept, support, and love transwomen. There are others that will go out of their way to demean transwomen. I am very happy to be one the men that accepts, supports, and loves transwomen.

[timshield]

Originally Posted by GGadmirer

Coming from a girl whose well-balanced comments I generally value highly, this comment posted by her some time ago hit me like a brick, and it is still bothering me today.

I was surprised because I have come to believe that women are on the whole more tolerant towards gay relations than men. Why then would their attitude towards the third gender be so very different?

I would love to hear from other girls here. Do you have the same experience and what do you think the reason could be? Could there perhaps be jealousy involved?

comments such as? don't think youre alone in this one the (straight) guys who date lbs get a couple of remarks to..

[desirouspussy]

Originally Posted by timshield

comments such as? don't think youre alone in this one the (straight) guys who date lbs get a couple of remarks to..

I don't think you quite understand my meaning, timshield. I am most definitely not criticizing Bionca for making this comment. In fact, I do much appreciate her openness on the subject.

It's the subject she raises that I question. Are women really less tolerant in their attitude towards the third gender and why is it so?

[ila]

Originally Posted by GGadmirer

It's the subject she raises that I question. Are women really less tolerant in their attitude towards the third gender and why is it so?

I don't think one can make the statement that all women are less tolerant in their attitudes. A more accurate statement would be some are less tolerant, some are openly hostile, and some are very accepting. Plus there are many more views between the poles of intolerance and tolerance. Judging from your posts, GG, I would say that you are at the high end of tolerance and acceptance. If you weren't tolerant and accepting then you wouldn't even be a member of this site. You are not the only natal woman that holds those views. There are several other natal women that are members this site that are just as accepting and tolerant.

What we are unlikely to find here are those natal women that are intolerant of transwomen, just because they will not join a site like this because of their views.

I urge you to search the internet for more information on this subject so that you may find what natal women are saying. A good place to start is Bionca's blog. She provides articles and links to other sites that lead to still more sites.

The level of intolerance will astound you. Also the level of acceptance will, I'm sure, find favour with you.

To sum up I would like to reiterate that the spectrum of tolerance to intolerance is large. Search out other articles on this subject to get a fuller understanding of attitudes.

[franalexes]

Guys seem to attack one on one. Women attack as a pack. That is, Margie hates you because she was with Flo and she was at a party with Janice who heard Joyce say that Barbie's cousin had a fight with Rachel who looked like she might be TS, and you were seen last week with Rachel. Now, get all these gals together and you want to express an opinion! Are you crazy? They all hate your guts.

[Bionca]

Women are't more vicious toward Trans*women. My comment was that women enforce gendered behavior amongst them selves more viciously than men do. Women are more cruel to "tomboys" than guys are for example.

As far as women being more accepting of Trans* ... yes and no. Generally, I am more comfortable telling natal women than I am men. However, no man has ever thrown a fit when I try to use the lady's bathroom. When she finds out the status of my genetalia often the next comment is "Oh so you aren't a 'real woman' yet". Then we have 30 years of Radical Feminism discussing women like me as "mutilated men", constructions bent on infiltration of women's spaces, dupes of social conditioning that say men do x and women do y.

The anger and objections from women make it so that we can't get assistance in domestic violence shelters, can get arrested if caught in the "wrong" locker room (and assulted when we use the other one), we go the men's prision if we are convicted of crimes. We are held to a higher standard of personal presentation (that get's us either way). We get told that when we are angry and/or defending our right to talk about our lives we are suddenly in posession of "male energy" and we are being "too loud" like a man. If we are demure and wear makeup, we are playing into the steriotype of woman.

[Rachel]

Originally Posted by franalexes

Guys seem to attack one on one. Women attack as a pack. That is, Margie hates you because she was with Flo and she was at a party with Janice who heard Joyce say that Barbie's cousin had a fight with Rachel who looked like she might be TS, and you were seen last week with Rachel. Now, get all these gals together and you want to express an opinion! Are you crazy? They all hate your guts.

I KICKED BARBIE'S COUSINS ASS!!!!!! LOL

[TheSkronkDonkey]

In my experience, women are as ignorantly judgemental as men -- if not moreso. I have lost count of the number of times women in the break room at work have turned over the pages of a magazine or chatted to each other and berated this celebrity or that one. For many, it seems to be a natural part of their daily lives. Women are absolutely some of the most cantankerous, vicious people you can meet. Though they can also be wonderful, wonderful people.

Simply, women seem very critical of other people, especially other women. All my managers at work are female and they are *all* bitches. I hope you won't mistake me for a misognyist, as it's more or less universally agreed by the work force that the management is deeply unprofessional and plain rude at times. But again, there are always people that restore your faith in humanity and buck the trend. In this case, the regional manager that used to visit, who outranked all the regular managers at work, was one of the nicest ladies I've ever met. She eventually left her job (actually, she transferred) partially because of what the other managers were like.

But yeah, females. A lot seem to have strict definitions of what men and women should be like. Like men do. The difference is that women are often a lot more vocal about it. I think the odds are dramatically stacked against anybody who breaks too many conventions, which means effeminate men, masculine women, women that wear certain clothing that other women don't like, men who don't like cars or football, or, and especially, transgendered people.