Progressive?

The Conquistador · #1 08-09-2009

I caught a blurb on the news about H.R. 1seventy something; I don't remember what it was but it was a bill (I believe) about trans gender rights. I only caught a quick glimpse of it before the station changed stories. Does anyone have any info about this?

Bionca · #2 08-09-2009

This could have been about either the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which for the first time was sent to the Senate with language covering "Gender Identity and Expression" or the Hate Crimes Act that includes Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity/Expression - both are making the rounds lately.

I've personally been in contact with my State Senator twice over this, and the Congressman from my parent's district to voice my support for ENDA. I'm also keeping an eye on the GLB groups, since they have a history of removing Trans stuff from laws if they think there might be a little resistance.

johndowe · #3 09-05-2009

Hi there.

Way to go Bionca!

Is that political ambissions i hear?

JohnDowe.

Naked Freedom · #4 09-05-2009

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Originally Posted by Bionca

This could have been about either the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which for the first time was sent to the Senate with language covering "Gender Identity and Expression" or the Hate Crimes Act that includes Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity/Expression - both are making the rounds lately.

I've personally been in contact with my State Senator twice over this, and the Congressman from my parent's district to voice my support for ENDA. I'm also keeping an eye on the GLB groups, since they have a history of removing Trans stuff from laws if they think there might be a little resistance.

I'm not much into politics but i would like to say that 'rights if not granted automatically then one should fight and get them granted.'
if one is blessed with contacts then it becomes an onus on them to fight and lead the way....
Gr8 work Bionca :

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Bionca · #5 09-10-2009

I didn't do anything that any other citizen of the US couldn't do. I feel it's an important piece of legislation, so I made sure my representatives knew about it.

johndowe · #6 09-10-2009

Hi there.

Hey, was that idea of political ambissions such a bad one?

JohnDowe.

TracyCoxx · #7 09-10-2009

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Originally Posted by Bionca

This could have been about either the Employment Non-Discrimination Act which for the first time was sent to the Senate with language covering "Gender Identity and Expression" or the Hate Crimes Act that includes Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity/Expression - both are making the rounds lately.

I don't believe that "hate crimes" are constitutional. Of course LGBT people shouldn't have fewer rights than other citizens. They should not receive less protection than other citizens. So then conversely, they shouldn't have more rights or protections than other citizens.

Minorities, have a right to expect equal treatment. But what they often do is become guilty of the racism or whatever bias they are fighting against by demanding special treatment. Equal rights means equal rights. If you want to put an end to discrimination, then do so.

And don't forget the Eighth Amendment, which prohibits the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines or cruel and unusual punishments.

The purpose of punishment is deterrence. You cannot deter someone from hating someone else by punishing them, nor should you. We are free to feel whatever we want about anything. When it goes to far is when a crime is committed. In that case they should receive an unbiased punishment fitting the crime. And it's ridiculous to call only certain instances of a crime a hate crime when it involves a certain minority. What if some guy blows away a clown because he hates clowns. Well that hate isn't recognized. Guess what - most violent crimes involve some type of hate.

The Conquistador · #8 09-11-2009

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Originally Posted by TracyCoxx

I don't believe that "hate crimes" are constitutional. Of course LGBT people shouldn't have fewer rights than other citizens. They should not receive less protection than other citizens. So then conversely, they shouldn't have more rights or protections than other citizens.

Minorities, have a right to expect equal treatment. But what they often do is become guilty of the racism or whatever bias they are fighting against by demanding special treatment. Equal rights means equal rights. If you want to put an end to discrimination, then do so.

And don't forget the Eighth Amendment, which prohibits the federal government from imposing excessive bail, excessive fines or cruel and unusual punishments.

The purpose of punishment is deterrence. You cannot deter someone from hating someone else by punishing them, nor should you. We are free to feel whatever we want about anything. When it goes to far is when a crime is committed. In that case they should receive an unbiased punishment fitting the crime. And it's ridiculous to call only certain instances of a crime a hate crime when it involves a certain minority. What if some guy blows away a clown because he hates clowns. Well that hate isn't recognized. Guess what - most violent crimes involve some type of hate.

Words of wisdom these are.