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For a guy who writes seriously as a vocation or avocation (the "national blog"), you don't seem to be a very careful reader of what others write.

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Thank you, for the insult. If I missed it point it out, because I am not erudite like you.


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Since I have been coming here I have been impressed with how friendly this place is and how respectful of other?s views most users are. That is important since many of us are sharing very intimate details of our personal lives here. I have posted extensively of my own ?self discovery? and have gotten much support from members. Society at large, is not always so tolerant of our community.

Even though never in a million years did I think I?d be reading about Republicans on *this* forum(!), I have enjoyed AngryPostman?s writings and also Tracy?s. I originally come from a ?Conservative Republican? family and by an early age had read Ayn Rand, von Mises, Milton Friedman, Hayek, and others. When I graduated from high-school, my parents gave me a subscription to ?The American Spectator? and the book ?Modern Times? by Paul Johnson. As I got older and went on through higher-ed towards my doctorate, I became more ?progressive? in my views and found the Republican party ?wanting? as far as social issues. Many might categorize me now as a ?Liberal Professor? but they would be right only to a certain extent. At my core, I still believe many of the things I learned at an early age--especially those things involving personal liberty and freedom.

Not that anyone here needs defending, but the term ?Conse Pubs? clearly was intended to be dismissive of conservative views. It is not generally accepted like the abbreviation ?RBI.? Nor is it neutral. I can, for example, find much to fault within the current Republican party, but I support one?s right to post their views without being subjected to demeaning and stereotypical ?labels.? We reject stereotypes and labeling as a community--why tolerate it here?
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Not that anyone here needs defending, but the term “Conse Pubs” clearly was intended to be dismissive of conservative views. It is not generally accepted like the abbreviation “RBI.” Nor is it neutral. I can, for example, find much to fault within the current Republican party, but I support one’s right to post their views without being subjected to demeaning and stereotypical “labels.” We reject stereotypes and labeling as a community--why tolerate it here?
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Firstly, the only 2 who come here consistently (Angry & Tracy) to represent the views of your youth are conservative libertarians, have identified themselves as such, and are no longer referred to in that manner, as it would be incorrect.

It is nice of you to decide for me what I mean when I say something, like SMC who has consistently told me things about myself I didn't know. Do both of you know someone who hates me still? There is the spoken and the unspoken; there is the public and the PM.

I said it was made-up by me elsewhere in a defensive position, and you say it is deliberate and a fact.

1. My major infraction is an abrev. that I've explained.

2. The two posters I referred to that way are conservative libertarians.

3. I last referred to someone that way over a week ago (post #53 on this thread).

4. If I say it's one thing, then you dispute that strongly, what are you saying? My reason isn't possible or is a flat-out lie? Or is it something else? And you know this how?

What is your thinking on how I should be dealt with?

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SMC:

You used the word again, but where was the before?

You said the abbrev. was a deliberate aggressive action: offensive in nature.

Then, I proved that point by saying it was defensive?


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Firstly, the only 2 who come here consistently (Angry & Tracy) to represent the views of your youth are conservative libertarians, have identified themselves as such, and are no longer referred to in that manner, as it would be incorrect.

It is nice of you to decide for me what I mean when I say something, like SMC who has consistently told me things about myself I didn't know. Do both of you know someone who hates me still? There is the spoken and the unspoken; there is the public and the PM.

I said it was made-up by me elsewhere in a defensive position, and you say it is deliberate and a fact.

1. My major infraction is an abrev. that I've explained.

2. The two posters I referred to that way are conservative libertarians.

3. I last referred to someone that way over a week ago (post #53 on this thread).

4. If I say it's one thing, then you dispute that strongly, what are you saying? My reason isn't possible or is a flat-out lie? Or is it something else? And you know this how?

What is your thinking on how I should be dealt with?

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SMC:

You used the word again, but where was the before?

You said the abbrev. was a deliberate aggressive action: offensive in nature.

Then, I proved that point by saying it was defensive?


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I will let AW9725 speak for himself. As for me, it seems I need to repeat something I wrote earlier to Talvenada in this thread: "For a guy who writes seriously as a vocation or avocation (the "national blog"), you don't seem to be a very careful reader of what others write."

Why do I repeat this? Because I never "said the abbrev. was a deliberate aggressive action: offensive in nature" -- something Talvenada attributes to me in his last post. A careful read of my posts will show that all I ever did with such words was to quote Talvenada saying that about his own use of language.

One can imagine what happens to my students who either miss stuff like that, or pull sophistic stunts like that, in their writing.
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Since I'm an outsider to your political system I can never be called a conservative republican so I feel that I can give a somewhat unbiased opinion on your abbreviation. Your abbreviation seems to be somewhat dismissive and possible arrogant or condescending towards conservative republicans. Why do you feel the need to make up an abbreviation? Why not just type or write conservative republican out in full as it doesn't take much more effort. You would then not look like you are entering a debate, with an air of superiority.



Well put, ila, especially the point about the need to make up an abbreviation or "shorthand" at all. It is a type of cleverness that, in my humble opinion, is seen all too often in writing, especially in journalism and particularly in sports journalism. I discuss this very point with my writing students, and even use sports columnists from The Boston Globe as source material.

SMC:

Thank you, for the insults.

No, you didn't SAY it; you only agreed with it.

Correct me if I'm wrong--I no doubt am wrong IYHO--You agree with Ila's implied aggressive offensive opinion, but you say defensive proves your point.

You can say--so, I'll say it for you, you were happy with Ila's opinion, and didn't want to disagree with someone you respect. You expect respect, and I'm sure that you respect every poster here. I don't have to ask if you respect me, because that only says insult me some more.

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A friend on this forum has widely advised me to cease engaging in this debate. After giving it some thought, I have decided to take his sage advice. I will let what is already posted stand on its own, with the confidence that a reasonable reading of the record will lead the reader to draw the appropriate conclusions.

Whether I can resist the bait that may come ... well, we will have to wait and see. I will do my best.
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A friend on this forum has widely advised me to cease engaging in this debate. After giving it some thought, I have decided to take his sage advice. I will let what is already posted stand on its own, with the confidence that a reasonable reading of the record will lead the reader to draw the appropriate conclusions.

Whether I can resist the bait that may come ... well, we will have to wait and see. I will do my best.

SMC:

I don't want this debate with you, and never have. If there is bait, it won't be from me.

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impeached for what? What has he done that was impeachable?

People throw that word around and don't really know anything about it. They use it as an umbrella term when they just really mean to say, "throw him out of office".
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Uggghhh! I too was gone for a couple days; never eat burritos from a questionable looking taco truck, no matter how tempting the price may be...
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Unfortunately, you tend to get what you pay for, especially with road-side food carts. I hope you weren't too sick, Postman, and I am glad that you are feeling better.
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impeached for what? What has he done that was impeachable?

People throw that word around and don't really know anything about it. They use it as an umbrella term when they just really mean to say, "throw him out of office".
You have to ask? Even democrats want him gone!
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