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Holiday in England, anyone?
http://www.youtube.com/uk looting
Too many vids to post. In short, the uk has gone to shit in the last 4 days. Everywhere people looting. Police indifferent. Homes set on fire people getting murdered. They should arm our shopkeepers with M-16's & grenade launchers and immunity from prosecution. The looters need to be killed. Along with the looters parents. |
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Reminiscent of the Watts riots. This is an outrage! Looters should be shot on site.
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Well you know when law enforcement won't do the job it becomes a citizens right to defend their neighborhoods, businesses and homes... oh wait, ya'll been stripped of your rights to possess weapons LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Plenty communities are armed to the teeth and fighting when necessary to defend themselves (Often ironically, the much maligned immigrant communities. Certainly I've seen lines of sword-bearing Sikhs positioning themselves to defend the usually quite mixed-race poor neighbourhoods that some of this violence is damaging).
This rioting is rooted in deeper social and economic problems affecting the country. A large proportion of the country's youth feel (Correctly) that they have no real future prospects, after this current government (As with the previous conservative government in the 1980s) has stripped social programmes of funding, slowed economic growth to almost nothing with massive sweeping budget cuts, and has cut off higher education to all but the richest of the population. When you have one of the highest economic disparities between rich and poor in most of europe (though still NOWHERE near as bad as the US) and then compound the situation of an entire generation who feel (And often quite rightly so) that they have nothing at all to lose, with increasingly aggressive behaviour of police, themselves stressed to breaking point by massive budget cuts, and layoffs, all wondering if their jobs will be the next ones to arbitrarily be dropped, you have a powderkeg, and a lit fuse. Interestingly, the more northern areas (We consider regions like Manchester to be "the south" even if they think of themselves as "north") have not seen rioting this time around. This seems largely due to our part of the country already having an "us vs them" mentality of hatred towards London, which we see as more of an invading foreign power, and having an almost nationalistic pride in our shared identity and in our cities, rather than nihilistically seeing no value at all in anything. Last edited by Amy; 08-09-2011 at 06:45 PM. |
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How about this, I'll be a mercenary for hire. The city of London can provide me with an armored SUV and the following weapons and tools and I will do the job myself, free of charge, only because I enjoy law enforcement work and hate rioters.
1x M4A1 carbine with full auto mode 1x H&K MP7A1 submachine gun 2x M1911 .45 ACP handgun 1x M32 MGL six shot grenade launcher w/ tear gas and flare rounds 1x SR-25 sniper rifle 1x Remington 870 12 gauge shotgun with rubber and pepper rounds 1x Taser police gun with ~100 replaceable cartridges I'll need enough ammo, magazines and 40mm grenade launcher rounds for all weaponry plus hand thrown tear gas, flashbangs and a variety of detaining tools such as LEO zipties and hand cuffs. I can solve the problem in about 48 hours. Because there is rioting in other cities I will have to travel so maybe up to 72 hours to end all violence. You can thank America.
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Given that all this kicked off BECAUSE of someone being shot... I don't really see guns making things better. Interesting to consider what it'd be like if we DID have gun ownership permitted here, I imagine NATO would be setting up a no-fly zone over the country right now, and several countries would be beginning to recognise a transitional government based in Salford....
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Kitty I've added some rep. Ahh good sense of humor so rare to find in a girl! Last edited by Hentailover; 08-09-2011 at 08:01 PM. |
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While we're on the topic of making transatlantic suggestions, how about predator strikes on the next few tea party rallies, solve all America's problems in short order!
(For those who may not take it as intended -OBVIOUSLY I'm being quite facetious here. Just to illustrate that the people behaving in an abhorrent manner, are, to be fair, the victims of increasingly conservative government, even from putatively liberal regimes -we had it with Blair, imposing a virtual police state and involving us in wars which we are STILL paying the cost of out of cuts to government responsibilities at home, America has it with Obama, and his systematic implementation of every policy on the Republican manifesto- and as a result, the number of disenfranchised individuals in the population has grown to a point where rabid aggression is the only way they can get their voices across. For comparison, peaceful protests have been staged across the country for almost a year now, with millions taking to the streets, only to be flippantly told by the government, in these precise words, to "get over it". When all attempts to protest the activity of a government 70% of voters voted against are met with this disdain, what recourse but violent uprisings remains?) Last edited by Amy; 08-09-2011 at 09:19 PM. |
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That would be a wonderful trade.
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I just hope that none of my online friends and family from here or at my other forum don't get caught in the middle of this. |
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Sadly, I think this type of rioting and looting is going to be a common feature of British society from now on. There is a saying that it is an ill bird who fouls his own nest, and that's what these cretinous looters have done: fouled their own nest by destroying businesses and houses in their own communities. Their imbecility and total lack of respect for others is frightening.
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I hope that all the UK guys & gals here will be OK in this bad moment! |
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Ah you know, the Brits riot every 20-30 years. Broadwater Farm estate kicked off in the 80's, as did Brixton. The only diofference this time is that the tossers have social networking to propagate their plans. A lot of these housing estate fodder are pure scum, single parent, ill-educated, welfare culture, no discipline.
Last edited by dauls; 08-10-2011 at 10:17 PM. |
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The uk is a joke. Groups of residents have been forming small community groups to defend their areas against looters and rioter and the top cop has told them publicly not to do this! bbc.co.uk/news/uk You couldn't make this shit up. The second amendment in the usa was put in precisely to stop the shit we have in the uk happening. The uk needs a Bill of Rights just like the usa one. |
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you would be so hired. Free meals and gym membership would also be thrown in. |
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I personally believe it all started with the guy in London being shot dead... In all the times he had been arrested before he was hand cuffed, brought before the magistrates who gave him such a low sentence or even just a caution and so he was free to do his evils again..... being shot dead, to all his gang mates, for pulling a gun and aiming at a police officer was a bit harsh (remember, here in Engand we are not taught right from wrong anymore by the justice system.. you can do a crime here and be expected to be let off).
The riots started off as just that ..Riots, protests against the police for shooting dead one of their own. remember Raoul Moat, one of the nastiest characters you could possibly meet. shot dead by police and is now a martyr. The looting just happenend as a consequence and the crowds turned ferral. it is human nature to want something for nothing. |
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you don't need to sell yourself. You've got the job; you're hired. I just rang the Metropolitan Police Commissioner. He said you would have to show him your badge first, though. |
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CoD:MW or Battlefield: Bad company I need to know for insurance indemnity options! |
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Well, I guess England needs to resurrect a two hundred year old policy of sending the scumbags to Australia.
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Although from your last comments I guess you are being sarcastic? |
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All I got is a security guard badge from my days working security. I can provide pretty much my own outfit and vehicle. I'll just need a bullet proof vest to counter stabbing weapons or possible illegal firearms. Oh and I'm a COD:MW kinda gamer.
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Jodie: (from the avatar) I'm a time traveller. Or I was. Im stuck in 1969 When you get away from 1969, could you meet me last thursday? |
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More like a deadly combination of Bad Company and Just Cause. Prepare for some delicious, evil solving Chaos with a smile London!
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It doesnt really paint a good picture for London or the United Kingdom ahead of the Olympics next year. But then China's human rights record didnt paint a good picture for them, but they did alright out of the Olympics...
Anyhow, that's off topic a little. I dont really like the term "riots" because there was no political motive for any of the rioters. All that took part are feral scum who deserve nothing in life and all that the law can give them (in terms of punishment). They were opportunistic thieves who think blaming the government for everything will get them places in life. Duh. No. People have lost homes, cars, possessions, businesses and possibly their jobs because of businesses not being able to afford to open up again. Some of the yobs that took part in this did so to further their own greed and gain. They could afford items they stole. One of the first to be charged was (and I say was, because I doubt he will be in September) a primary school teaching assisstant. A member of society and the community that children are supposed to look up to. Another was a 19 year old university student whose father is actually a millionaire. They had no reason to riot or protest. The police should have used a very heavy hand with the apes that tore up London, Bristol, Manchester, Birmingham and other cities in the United Kingdom. But given the outcry over their tactics at the G20 protests two or so years ago, they were worried that their actions would be condemmed. The past few days have really angered me and many people in this country. Yes, the economy and job market is bleak at the moment, but it will pick up. There are jobs around, just people are too stupid and lazy to go a look for them. The next time this happens I hope the police give these idiots a bloody good hammering. There was no reason for cities to be torn up as they were. |
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This is not to excuse rioters. Individual or group violence is a bankrupt approach to changing the world. The youth of England, just like the youth of the United States, could learn a thing or two from the serious side (i.e., not the Yippies) of the anti-Vietnam War movement and how it was organized, or how the students in France in 1968 united with trade unions and nearly brought down the DeGaulle government. |
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Plus you could have a niche market for contractors and porn all in one. Polo shirts, baseball caps, Oakleys, M4's and girls with big dongs. If you make it, they will come...
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Plus, I'm First Aid certified so that should help in a pinch. |
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Corporations are becoming international with little regard for their home base. Profit rules, companies find a place to manufacture where labor is a bit above slavery. Once the workers demand a decent wage, they move on to the next country desperate for work. The world of Milton Friedman has arrived.
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First Aid, CPR and NYS licensed Security Officer w/ 8 hour + 16 hour certified training.
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The media has now started interviewing people that the media calls ?experts? on this. However unless one has experienced poverty then one can hardly be called an expert in how poor people will act. These ?experts? see things only through their own eyes and then imagine how they would act if they were in that situation and then extrapolate that to the poor. I was born into poverty. I had an alcoholic father who used most of his money to feed his addiction. We were in dire straits before, but when my father died we were even worse off. Later when my mother remarried my step father wanted nothing to do with me and I was treated with indifference at best and open hostility at worst. We were nowhere near to being considered middle class. We often didn?t have much to eat so to supplement our meals I went hunting and fishing every chance that I had which would be most weekend mornings and sometimes all day Saturday or Sunday. I would do this throughout the year. Depending on the season I would also go fishing or hunting in the evening. I certainly contributed a substantial amount to what we had to eat. I started working at age thirteen and by the time I was sixteen I was working three part-time jobs as well as going to school. All this wasn?t all that strange to me as most of my friends were also considered poor. There were distinctions made between my friends and me and the others we knew who would be considered middle class to affluent. Those from the affluent families would have nothing to do with us. It has been suggested that the young people rioting and committing criminal acts see no hope of improving their lives because they can?t afford to go to university. However, none of my friends nor I ever went to university although many of us certainly wanted to go. University was very expensive and we simply could not afford it. There were very few scholarships available then and those always went to the ones that didn?t need them anyway. Instead my friends and I furthered our education by other means. According to the ?experts? my friends and I should have been bitter at society and taken our revenge by robbing, looting, burning, destroying, etc. None of us went our rioting. We didn?t blame anyone else for the position that we were in or things that we couldn?t have. We didn?t go out looting, pillaging, burning, or destroying others property. We didn?t maim or kill people. Instead all of us worked hard and pulled ourselves out of poverty. Every one of my friends, from when I was young, and I are now considered middle class and most of us are quite well off. It was hard work and ethics that got us this far in life. |
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By the way, when a country has a social contract with its citizenry that includes certain social safety net features and that contract is broken, it is not unexpected that some of the more desperate and alienated in society may respond violently. IT IS NO EXCUSE, just an explanation. You don't have to like it to recognize that it happens. And it is especially prevalent among youth who see the older generations as responsible for the breaking of the contract, or who see people with wealth and power at a level those youth cannot even imagine attaining as responsible. Again, no excuses ... just analysis. When we analyze society and seek to find solutions to urgent problems, our own experiences should inform our analysis but our emotions must be checked at the door. |
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One of my purposes in my original post was to refute the opinion of experts who stated that all those growing up in poverty will eventually react in a way that we have seen in the past week in England. As can be seen in my original post I illustrated the fact that not everyone growing up poor will react with rioting, looting, arson, and killing. Quote:
Agreed. |
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Alas, it looks like our tolchukking skills will not be required there any longer. Phooey!
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In the United States, the safety net components cynically dubbed "entitlements" by politicians who wish to eliminate them are part of a social contract. |
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During the great depression (1930s), thousands of people were out of work and additional thousands of poor farmers lost their farms in the midwest dust storms. It was a terrible time for a lot of people. Social services were practically nonexistent. Yet, there was little violence, people suffered starved and died without help. They didn't burn down their neighborhoods, they looked for work.
The urban youth in the big cities that have grown up disenfranchised from the working society seem become sociopathic and lash out, setting fires and looting. They have no feeling of responsibility to a society that ignores them. Do the social services that we have today have something to do with the urban youth problem or is it simply the lack of opportunity to make a living as part of the society?
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Unfortunately, and despite what ila has written above (see our earlier exchange in this thread), it is not a simple matter of working hard to pull one's self out of poverty. The reason we have the so-called "working poor" is because of the structural problem of a society that is based on labor exploitation. If someone can work hard all his life and never get out of poverty, is it the person's fault alone? I think not. |
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Another aspect of this issue appeared during the Katerina disaster. Looting was a major problem but also was the lack of community. People stood around doing nothing to help. It was necessary to bring in hundreds of outside people to deal with the situation. Why didn't the residents of New Orleans band together to do something? Of course outside aid was necessary, the place was flooded. Often in cases of disaster we see people banding together to aid others (earthquakes, ect), there seemed to be little of that during Katrina. Was it because these people were so alienated and disconnected that they had no idea how to get organized?
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Another case of 'back in the good old days' syndrome. People did riot during the depression, you could say they didn't riot much, but on a historical scale, these current riots were not much of a riot.
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Also there was a huge march on Washington by veterans demanding funds due them. In the 30s farming was still a big deal and many city dwellers had family still on the farm. This helped tide over a lot of unemployed city dwellers. John Rehill Quote:
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Are you referring to the 1933 "Business Plot" that was to have been led by Smedley Butler of the Marine Corps, and about which he later testified about to a Congressional committee. While I am not one to shrink in the face of allegations of fascist plots in the United States, this particular one is of some historical dispute, at the minimum. I would be hesitant, if I were you, to state something so definitive about it as you have in your one-line post.
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I am well aware of the Wikipedia entry. I stand by my suggestion not to state the existence of the Business Plot with such certainty, as reputable historians have called such certainty into reasonable question.
Its existence or non-existence doesn't change the basic premise of my post that prompted you to mention the Business Plot. |
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Additional information on the plot rumors to oust FDR.
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maybe there is a contract
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits? Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes? You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does. You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does. If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair. If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red. If the Army & Marines are in Iraq and Afghanistan it's because they want them in Iraq and Afghanistan . If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way. There are no insoluble government problems. |
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Question: Can the government keep the voters happy on a balanced budget?
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you are so spot on, and this post is awesome. |
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