Global warming???

[violet lightning]

What do you think about "Global Warming"?

My thoughts in a nutshell are I tend to think its a big red herring.
Maybe we are warming the planet slightly, but I also know anything man does is dwarfed by nature. Think about the massive volcanoe eruptions in the 19th century, like Krakatowa. It actually caused a "nuclear winter" for several months world wide. (known as "The Little Ice Age")Thankfully, man hasn't even come close to doing that. According to some scientists, some volcanoes spew more gases and debris in a few days than man has in 10,000 years.
In my fairly short life span, I have heard scientists warning about "global cooling", and then "global warming" and saying that the coastal areas were going to flood in just a few years. (this was back in the late 70's!)
Maybe the world is warming, maybe its not. Maybe its the sun.
To me, the interesting thing is that most scientists and climatologists seem to agree that the earth is actually in a fairly temperate and calm period between major ice ages. So even if we are warming the planet slightly, aren't we actually helping forestall the eventual and inevitable next ice age?

(I'm not saying man has no effect, obviously we do, but in the case of Global warming, I'm not sure we are the sole or even main culpret-)
Thoughts?

[new believer]

Face it, it is just another get richer quicker scam by crooked people with no regards of how much fear they instill. Al Bore still stands to reap hundreds of millions of dollars through his 'Carbon Credit' ponzi scam. All those 'scientists' reap in the same for their "research". And the crooks at the UN take the same also all on the backs of American tax payers. The whole sad thing is, they KNOW it's a lie, and like every scam artist, these people have no conscience or regrets. They only see what's in it for themselves.
If it were real, then EVERY country should pay per population per square mile and also upon their industries. That would make China paying over half the cost.

[Rachel]

China is probably the worlds biggest polluter. With all their factories spewing un filtered smoke into the atmosphere. Look at how bad their air was during the Olympics. People think they are helping the environment by driving hybrid cars. Guess what? The special batteries they use are made in China. The lead they smelt to make them(through unfiltered smokestacks naturally) pollute the earth more then my fossil fuel burning vehicles ever will. I use to get really POed when the motor vehicle inspections would fail my vehicle for emmisions Some say it is rigged. I do believe that. Took my car to inspection knew it needed a tuneup. It had a digital dash giving average MPGS and such. It failed ok. Tuned it up put in new plugs air filter spark plug wires , fuel filter pcv valve, checked timing etc. Miliage jumped up from 16 average to 21. Engine running better cleaner smoother more efficient right? No they are telling me my emmisions tripled! I had a fit. I use to work at a major airport for 10 years as a mechanic. I'd be on the ramp(air operations area) jets running all over the place. I figured they burned more fuel and put out more pollution leaving the gate and taxiing out then my car ever would if it ran 24 hours a day for years. Not to mention when it flies away either.

[Rachel]

Damn I think that was the longest post I ever made here lol

[The Conquistador]

Man-caused global warming is hippie propaganda for the sole reason that humans haven't been recording temperatures long enough to determine whether or not the Earth is going through heating and cooling cycles and whether or not we actually have any part in it(and even if we do, it is most probably very minimal at best).

Stick it to the hippies; burn a tire in your backyard.

[Rachel]

damn hippies!

[Hourglass]

I always say the same thing to anyone who believes in global warming:
Go spent a winter in Minnesota. Then come back and tell us how that whole Greenhouse Effect is working for ya.

[Tread]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

Tread, firearm suppressor regulations were originally started in the 1920's. Why? Because when the Great Depression hit America and it was too costly to buy food, people started to hunt deer. Overharvesting put deer populations in the red because people would hunt them after the season ended and they would use suppressors on their rifles so as not to attract the attention of the game warden.

If you kill an animal before it can procreate, you will start lowering its overall population. If methane coming from a cow's ass is a problem, kill the cows.

The most cattle are domestic cattle. They are not wild animals and are breaded for meat and milk. They are produced on demand. They are not allowed to procreate their self. This over breaded cattle have not the best changes against food competitors and predators (as long as they live anymore near them).
As long someone pays for cows, they will "produce" cows.

Originally Posted by Jenae LaTorque

Have we all lost sight of the fact that the same gases and the global warming effect they produce is what keeps this planet livable for us. If we didn't have them, it would be a damn cold place on this old dirt ball.

No, too much and too less is not good for us. Nature has created a balance in witch we developed, and we don't care about this balance, changing it and could harm ourselves.

[randolph]

Hey Jenae and Tread, do you think it is worth our time to continue to try to get through to these no boys?
I think its time to go back to dreaming about cute trannys.

[The Conquistador]

I'm just trying to get the point across that the whole cattle contributor of methane in the atmosphere is more of just a ploy to get people to stop eating beef than it is to actually do anything of any worth to the environment.

[Tread]

Originally Posted by TheAngryPostman

I'm just trying to get the point across that the whole cattle contributor of methane in the atmosphere is more of just a ploy to get people to stop eating beef than it is to actually do anything of any worth to the environment.

Personally I'm not for a vegetarian diet (maybe you can remember our early posts in another thread), but there is more behind this that is worth for the environment.
Beef and milk products are not very effective as nutrient supply. A lot of space must be used to get enough food for the huge amounts of cattle. In many countries they use also artificial fertilizer to get better grows and fight at the same time some other herbs and trees to get only cattle food.
Fertilizer is responsible for 1/3 of N2O worldwide.
A natural grassland bind more greenhouse gases than a full deplete agriculturally use.
And the immense water use, it sounds unbelievable, but it's true. 1kg (2.205 pound) beef needs 15000l (3958.5 gallons) water and 1000l water for 1l milk.

Humans don't need much meat, and herbal food would usually be more effective (as long they don't farm water hungry fruits in deserts as some do).




randolph: I don't want to get through and build their opinion, I want to animate to think self, and asking their self questions if it works like they think. (Maybe not successfully)