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Originally Posted by Smoothie

... While men masturbate by manipulating their genitals, women can't achieve the same pleasure with imagination alone since a lot of it is about penetration or girth. ...

As long as I live, I will never cease to be amazed by the audacity of men who claim to know so much about women that they can make blanket statements such as the one above, state them with absolute authority, and use these arguments to buttress all manner of other positions that they take on this or that issue.

I submit, Smoothie, that your knowledge of how women as a group can achieve pleasure is inversely proportional to the knowledge any one woman has of how she, herself, achieves pleasure.