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Originally Posted by smc
Mel's post is pretty clear. He is not reporting that people in the UK are simply aware that their are crime syndicates of immigrants from Eastern Europe, Nigeria, and the Horn of Africa. That almost goes without saying. The crux of his post is that in the UK there is a perception that there is a link between being from these places (or, in the context of our discussion in this thread, a link between being of these "races") and being engaged in criminal behavior. Hence my response.
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Ok, let's analyze....
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Originally Posted by Mel Asher
The general perception in the United Kingdom with its unchecked European, Indian and African immigration of the past eight years is that crime syndicates, particularly from Eastern Europe, Nigeria and the horn of Africa, have prospered and expanded their spheres of operation, particularly in the child sex-trade. Governments, almost without exception, will invariably deny that there is a problem, but it is the police and general public who have to bear the brunt of political incompetence and laxity.
It would be interesting to have figures to show if rises in levels of immigration across Western Europe, and North America have occurred in the past ten years, and if so, what the percentages are. Prison figures might also show a correspondence, if one exists.
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The part in red is the part you say he is not reporting. The part in blue is what Mel Asher wants to see, and you've already said that you were not attributing racism to Mel's beliefs. So that leaves the part in black, which states that governments deny there's a problem. No racism there. But then also states that police and the general public have to bear the brunt of political incompetence and laxity. Is that what lead to you saying
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Originally Posted by smc
This is a racist view, pure and simple, painting with a broad brush immigrants as generally linked to crime syndicates. Racism, racism, racism.
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This is what you claim is the crux of his post, which is that in the UK there is a perception that there is a link between being from these places (or,
in the context of our discussion in this thread, a link between being of these "races") and being engaged in criminal behavior. The interesting part here is the part that leads you to cry racism is the part being in the context of this forum. How can attitudes in the UK be shown by the context of this thread to be racist? The only part of Mel's post that is in the context of this thread are his personal observations cited in his posting.
"it is the police and general public who have to bear the brunt of political incompetence and laxity"
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"a perception that there is a link between being from these places (or, in the context of our discussion in this thread, a link between being of these "races") and being engaged in criminal behavior"
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I think this post requires some explanation, Tracy.
Please define "culture" as you mean it here.
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Culture: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group; also : the characteristic features of everyday existence (as diversions or a way of life} shared by people in a place or time.
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Originally Posted by smc
Please clarify your point about Jews and Hezbollah. And I would advise strongly that you make a distinction between "Jews" and "Israelis" or, more accurately, "Zionists." Not all Jews are Zionists.
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Like I said it was late. Like after 2am and I really just wanted to get on with downloading porn. Yes, I should have said Israelis, as they are the ones who are being littered with rockets. I would like to further specify which street adresses are most prone to bombing but that would further divert me from my daily dose of porn. I wouldn't use the term "Zionists" because not all Zionists live in Israel and are bombed by rockets.