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Old 09-03-2009
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Originally Posted by Bionca View Post
I'm glad you realize that "shemale" is not a generally accepted universally loved term by trans women.

I don't have any issue at all with sex work. If the women has a free choice to get into and maintain that line of work, and men are willing to pay for the products/services - everyone wins. Part of the issue is that most people ONLY know trans women from porn. Not because there aren't trans gals doing other stuff, because that isn't the case. So unlike GGs TGs are only encountered in one specific way, there is no balance to maintain realism. Part of the role trans women have to take (and many many have) is to educate - but without people willing to listen and learn no amount of education is going to work. Also, at some point the educated really must start to help do the education.

Martyrs are simply people who die for a cause who are then used at a rallying point. Mr Milk's death absolutely made him a martyr - the gay political movement was galvanized by his murder and the results of the trial. We have plenty of murdered trans women, I don't particularly need or want to fill that role.

I wasn't talking about dating with my "honey and vinegar" comment. I was talking about how I address the guys here. I'm not always going to be the voice of unquestioning support and comfort. Sometimes frustration and even anger needs to be heard before people understand that something is hurtful.

Like I said, gals making money and guys spending money isn't my issue. Assuming that women of any type who do sex work are less worthy of respect or are simply objects is a problem. A common problem, but still a problem.

Also, I'm curious what you think I have been doing if not trying to get the message out that trans women are human beings? Part of that IS changing how men see trans women - pointing out how attitudes, reflected in words, contributes to an often particularly dangerous world for trans women to navigate.
Hi there.

That IS what i tought you were doing and by your posts i was under the impression you were leaving, and i tought it was a mistake for you to leave because of the positive effect you have had on many people in this forum, follow the threads you posted an you will see, i and they have learned from your posts and underatand trans women better, a little good here, a little good there, it adds up, you may not change the world over nitght but you continue to educate people (subtily, excuse my french again) and other trans women do it too, and attitudes will change.

JohnDowe.
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