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Originally Posted by SluttyShemaleAnna
correction time:
Anyhow, I'm not sure how any of those things are worse than what has gone on in the US, which defeats the point you were trying to make that somehow having guns magically stops the development of a police state.
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JodieTs
Double correction time:
Oh on the subject on Guantanimo, a UK citizen was locked up there for years, then later released without charge, while the uk did nothing.
>>>We agree on this one?
Ok the uk is one of the top 4 exporters of weapons to dodgy states, despite the majority of people being against it.
>>>We agree on this one?
2, 000,000 people marched against the Iraq war but B(liar) ignored them
>>>We agree on this one?
Fingerprinting schoolchildren (outlawed by current regime)
>>>We agree on this one?
APNR everywhere. Tracking EVERYONE not just criminals
>>>We agree on this one?
Extradition treaty with the USA Gary McKinnon ++Nat West Three
where our rights are fucked over by those in charge.
>>>We agree on this one?
Transfer of sovereignty power to Brussels without mandate.
>>>We agree on this one?
28 day detention which Tony B(liar) wanted as 92 days., Without trial. (
ended this january)
>>> They want to bring it back
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-13882528
Isabella Sankey of campaign group Liberty said:
"Fourteen days is already far longer than any comparable democracy"
No Bill of rights, like the USA have
(European human rights legislation is better than the US bill of rights)
>>>Oh no it's not. It is not as robust as the USA bill of rights for the individual citizens protection from the state.
For a start, it gives the right to bear arms.but it is a freedom the uk does not have, fact.
USA bill of rights says:
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
The UK dilutes this to the following:
Human Rights Act:
Article 11: Freedom of Assembly
(1) Everyone has the right to freedom of peaceful assembly and to freedom of association with others, including the right to form and to join trade unions for the protection of his interests.
(2)
No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others
This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the state.
For fucks sake....
If they don't like what you are doing, they can send the army in....
Now do you see the difference?
no second amendment
(and again..)
>>>Likewise
The second amendment of the USA constitution enshrines the right of citizens to bear arms
There is nothing like that in the European act.
No automatic right to protest.
(
not true, protests outside parliament require notice but can't be denied)
>>>Protests have to be notified to the police 6 days in advance.
And the police can refuse permission.
Public Order Act 1986
PART II PROCESSIONS AND ASSEMBLIES
11. (1) Written notice shall be given in accordance with this section of any proposal to hold a public procession intended
(a) to demonstrate support for or opposition to the views or actions of any person or body of persons,
(b) to publicise a cause or campaign, or
(c) to mark or commemorate an event,
And a senior police officer can refuse permission.
Need police permission to have a gathering
(
not true)
>>>Under section 14 (1) If a senior police officer has concerns about any public assembly,
they may impose conditions upon the persons organising the assembly, its max duration, number of persons involved.
Criminal charges can be brought against those not complying with orders
(max. sentence 3 months prison and / or Level 4 fine).
so they can't stop you gathering,
But like Monopoly, you can collect 3 months and go directly to jail.
DNA database
(
was ruled illegal by the European court and will be dismantled)
>>>citation please
>>>Anyway
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...-supreme-court
The police are refusing to remove innocent people from the database
Suggestion to get everyone on DNA database when they are born.
(wow, so speculation == reality now?)
>>>It's called not trusting the powers as they abuse it when the people look away
ID cards. Some suggestion Tories trying to bring that back
(still not happened)
>>>It's called not trusting the powers as they abuse it when the people look away
No right to silence. In fact silence may now be taken by court as an admission of guilt.
(not true, you have the right to silence, interestingly tho, in the US, they can override the right to silence)
>>>In the USA the right to silence is guaranteed under the 5 amendment.
But in the UK, you no longer have the right of silence
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/police/powers/custody/
Right to silence
You also have the right not to mention anything when questioned. However adverse inferences can be drawn from this. No inferences may be drawn if a person has not been given the opportunity to consult a solicitor before being questioned, charged, or informed of a prosecution.
Illegal to film or take a photo of a policeman
(not true, it's a lie made up by police, if a policeman ever tells you that you can't take a photo, tell them to fuck off and ask them for their badge number)
>>>This was banned under the
"Fuck you over terrorism excuse" act.
...people got arrested for it.
A senior police officer has advised my partner that you can photo/film police. I stand partially corrected on this.
But you need to tell the local beat bobbies this
You tube this there are tons of films like this one.
GCHQ looks at everything in the UK.
(If you type: ?Atom bomb? three times in a row you see a white van parked outside, with a rotating Ariel) {Ok. I made that one up}
(they want you to think that, but they don't, service providers have consistently told the authorities to swivel on it)
>>> "Google"
Deep Packet Inspection
>>> Also "Google"
Duncan Campbell ECHELON
No tin foil hats were used in the production of this "Correction" of your "Correction"
As I said Police state. 