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smc 09-09-2010 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by wxhluyp (Post 157864)
Ofcourse. There are times when theorizing is more appropriate than others. Theres a false common-sense idealization of identity which must be overturned in society. Gender is positively multiple.

The accusation of sophism and lack of clarity in my mere "opinion" was pretty hostile. I don't know whether it was intentional, but it did seem so. :innocent:

Let me clear up a couple of things.

First, my comment about "clarity" referred to my posts, not yours -- that is, they were to explain that I was posting my message about ungendering and how we view it on this site for the purpose of clarity.

Second, regarding "sophism": I apologize for not having written more carefully. I did say "as it may be," but that was insufficient for expressing that I was hypothesizing the possibility that your opinions was sophistic (not definitively characterizing it as such). By "sophism" in this regard, I do mean an argument of considerable ingenuity in reasoning that is put forth with the objective of deception. I hypothesized that your argument was designed to deceive the self-identifier (the person who identifies her/his gender in her/his own self-determined way) to accept the rationale of your argument and thus abandon her/his own self-determination. That is, technically, a sort of sophism, but the word sophism does come laden with other baggage in its meaning that was genuinely not intended.

michelletgirlcd 09-24-2010 05:26 PM

I think it's all about the human mind

missyflirtz 10-22-2010 03:49 PM

Engendering
 
Two personal experiences:

A few months ago, a woman introduced me (genetic male with appearance to match) to another male as "my sister." This other male took me for female, saying to my female friend afterward: "Why does M__ wear male clothes?" When I heard subsequently about this gender confusion, it seemed impossible to me that someone's visual cues could be so heavily influenced by the form of introduction. But then, when I thought further, it became sort of a turn-on, that merely calling someone female was enough to make it so! My self-assessment as male outside and significantly female inside was rewarded!

A few weeks ago, I saw a stage performer whose gender is so genuinely ambiguous that this person rejects all gendered pronouns with respect to this person's self. And it is easy to see that neither "she" nor "he" nor any other gender designation is anything like comprehensively accurate.

In conclusion, just want to affirm that all of us are truly "real" but that reality can be complicated.

smc 10-22-2010 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by missyflirtz (Post 162034)
Two personal experiences:

A few months ago, a woman introduced me (genetic male with appearance to match) to another male as "my sister." This other male took me for female, saying to my female friend afterward: "Why does M__ wear male clothes?" When I heard subsequently about this gender confusion, it seemed impossible to me that someone's visual cues could be so heavily influenced by the form of introduction. But then, when I thought further, it became sort of a turn-on, that merely calling someone female was enough to make it so! My self-assessment as male outside and significantly female inside was rewarded!

A few weeks ago, I saw a stage performer whose gender is so genuinely ambiguous that this person rejects all gendered pronouns with respect to this person's self. And it is easy to see that neither "she" nor "he" nor any other gender designation is anything like comprehensively accurate.

In conclusion, just want to affirm that all of us are truly "real" but that reality can be complicated.

Thank you for sharing these two experiences. Your first post is one of the best firsts I have seen on this site. Welcome, and enjoy your time here.

natandreita 11-22-2010 09:49 PM

I somehow remembered this thread after I found this article:

http://do-while.com/worlds-most-beau...transvestites/

The continuous use of he/she his/her and expressions like "she's a man" just made me sick :no:

harryballs42 12-05-2010 02:52 PM

It surprises me how many people don't realize that gender self-identification has nothing to do with sexual preference.

lumpes 12-30-2010 03:17 AM

thanks
 
respect to all who like this world, and to all who wish to try

Julie77 12-31-2010 11:17 AM

This is a really good thread. I feel I was born a lady and want to be treated like one. When I am dressed up I feel it is an insult to be called a male name. Hope you all don't mind my two cents worth. :innocent:

smc 12-31-2010 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Julie77 (Post 169841)
This is a really good thread. I feel I was born a lady and want to be treated like one. When I am dressed up I feel it is an insult to be called a male name. Hope you all don't mind my two cents worth. :innocent:

I especially value the perspective of those for whom the respect we speak of in this thread is shown. Thank you for your contribution.

darkstargemini 01-01-2011 03:36 AM

unjendreing and lack of respect
 
> i saw Vanity on youtube talk about issues most people r still very close minded when it comes to gender accepting one seems very hard for most of society it,s like not in my backyard but some have a lot of skeletons in there closet :yes::yes::yes::respect:

dom4tg 01-02-2011 06:22 PM

This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:

1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.

2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.

dom4tg

smc 01-02-2011 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dom4tg (Post 170073)
This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:

1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.

2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.

dom4tg

Your points aside, respectful language will be used on this site -- despite the presence of porn -- or there will be consequences.

Bionca 01-03-2011 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dom4tg (Post 170073)
This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:

1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.

2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.

dom4tg

Calling women "women" and men "men" is hardly "politically correct gender terms". One could hazard to say it is simply being correct. The point of this thread is so that people DON"T unintentionally or intentionally insult members of the forum. The site is full of terms that most trans women would not be happy to be called in anything but a porn context with zero comment from the site moderators or the trans women themselves.

One would think that observing the reality that trans women are women wouldn't be controversial here. Individual people have their own individual reasons for liking/desiring/admiring trans bodies and I don't think anyone wants to police the depths of personal desire.

The flip side of this rule is that people don't call "admirers" (chasers, etc.) "fags" - which seems to get most of you all into a massive angst fest. Seems a pretty fair trade to me.

dom4tg 01-03-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by smc (Post 170076)
Your points aside, respectful language will be used on this site -- despite the presence of porn -- or there will be consequences.


I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.

Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...

Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?

Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.



Quote:

Originally Posted by Bionca (Post 170177)
Calling women "women" and men "men" is hardly "politically correct gender terms". One could hazard to say it is simply being correct. The point of this thread is so that people DON"T unintentionally or intentionally insult members of the forum. The site is full of terms that most trans women would not be happy to be called in anything but a porn context with zero comment from the site moderators or the trans women themselves.

One would think that observing the reality that trans women are women wouldn't be controversial here. Individual people have their own individual reasons for liking/desiring/admiring trans bodies and I don't think anyone wants to police the depths of personal desire.

The flip side of this rule is that people don't call "admirers" (chasers, etc.) "fags" - which seems to get most of you all into a massive angst fest. Seems a pretty fair trade to me.

Controversial as it may be, I think some people regard trans women not as women but as something other...not necessarily less I should add. Indeed, if I saw m-to-f transgender individuals exactly as women, then I would arguably be attracted to genetic females in exactly the same way, which is certainly not the case.

PS - I personally have no objection to being called, fag, chaser etc., because I confident in my own sexuality/identity that such labels don't mean that much to me. I also accept that gender and sexuality are slippery subjects and it is tempting for people to apply labels for simplicity, whether these are appropriate or not.

dom4tg

smc 01-03-2011 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dom4tg (Post 170183)
I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.

Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...

Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?

Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.





Controversial as it may be, I think some people regard trans women not as women but as something other...not necessarily less I should add. Indeed, if I saw m-to-f transgender individuals exactly as women, then I would arguably be attracted to genetic females in exactly the same way, which is certainly not the case.

PS - I personally have no objection to being called, fag, chaser etc., because I confident in my own sexuality/identity that such labels don't mean that much to me. I also accept that gender and sexuality are slippery subjects and it is tempting for people to apply labels for simplicity, whether these are appropriate or not.

dom4tg

It's an interesting way to begin your participation here on this site: you have two posts (as of this writing), both of which take issue with a longstanding policy here. Bionca sums it up very well.

I suggest you write to the site owner, SSL, and make what you think is a "constructive suggestion." I have every confidence that it will be rejected, because it is not constructive. It is destructive. Words matter, and whether you like it or not -- and whether you think that you can use "PC" pejoratively and make it seem worse -- ungendering as explained in the initial post of this thread will not be tolerated.

ila 01-03-2011 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dom4tg (Post 170183)
I believe in common-sense respect - not political correctness...at least not on a porn site.

Being selectively PC is even more dubious. It seems OK to say ?I want to jizz on her face? so long as I get the pronoun right yes ? Hmmmm...

Seriously, if you want to be that PC, at least be consistent...but then there wouldn?t be a site at all right ?

Here?s a constructive suggestion... why not set up a more ?liberal? forum where people can speak freely using terms/labels they prefer to use.

You have only just joined the site and your two posts have been to complain about the site. I have a constructive suggestion for you; if you don't like the site or the rules then feel free to leave.

Be_my_nude 01-03-2011 05:57 PM

Offence or no offence ?
 
Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.

No :respect: from me yet - sorry !

smc 01-03-2011 06:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude (Post 170195)
Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.

No :respect: from me yet - sorry !

Thank you, thank you, thank you, Bella, for putting it so well.

dom4tg 01-03-2011 06:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ila (Post 170189)
You have only just joined the site and your two posts have been to complain about the site. I have a constructive suggestion for you; if you don't like the site or the rules then feel free to leave.

It does not matter if I make 2 posts or 200 posts - that should not affect the validity of a comment. The fact is, I don't dislike the site, I just dislike PC nonsense being rammed down my throat by a bunch of hypocrites.

Thanks for making it even clearer that this is the kind of site I want nothing to do with.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Be_my_nude (Post 170195)
Is dom4tg suggesting that he wishes to feel free unintentionally to cause offence to other members of this site ? The terminology doesn't sit together at all comfortably anyway. What's wrong with him at least trying not to cause offence ? How about him making a start by apologising his ' unintentional ' original offensive attitude and make a fresh start by taking more care in future ? Or is he deliberately trying to give himself permission to cause offence in future by claiming this forum has PC rules. Sorry dom4tg, you really must think again and learn not to be deliberately obnoxious in your use of specious arguments.

No :respect: from me yet - sorry !

Apologise ? Do you think that's likely ? The point is that 'offence' in this case is only offence based on daft pc rules - and I see no place for that whatsover in an adult / porn site - no offence (sincerely).

ila 01-03-2011 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dom4tg (Post 170197)
It does not matter if I make 2 posts or 200 posts - that should not affect the validity of a comment. The fact is, I don't dislike the site, I just dislike PC nonsense being rammed down my throat by a bunch of hypocrites.

Thanks for making it even clearer that this is the kind of site I want nothing to do with.

I'll make it easy for you to have nothing to do with this site.

Tsweet 01-03-2011 06:49 PM

The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.

And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!

franalexes 01-03-2011 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsweet (Post 170206)
The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.

And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!

I'm thinking this guy "gets it." :)


aw9725 01-03-2011 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tsweet (Post 170206)
The great thing about this site is that it allows for sexual fantasy with the pictures ... while at the same time being respectful of individuals who are transgendered as well as the issues they face.

And we who are friends and lovers of these truly special beautiful people wouldn't want it any other way!!!

Well said! :respect:

aw9725 01-03-2011 10:47 PM

I read what "dom4tg" said and see that he is already banned. It is sad that he really does feel this way. I don't know how old he is but his attitude and beliefs do not sound very "grown up" to me. I guarantee they will not take him far in the real world.

Don't have much to say except that if he decides to come back he may wish to read my post of a few weeks ago: "An Open Letter to My Friends."

Andy

:respect: for all who stood up to him.

Amy 01-04-2011 05:13 AM

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Originally Posted by aw9725 (Post 170226)
I read what "dom4tg" said and see that he is already banned. It is sad that he really does feel this way. I don't know how old he is but his attitude and beliefs do not sound very "grown up" to me. I guarantee they will not take him far in the real world.

Ah, the old MTF problem, that no matter where we go, we can't escape dicks. :p

shadows 01-06-2011 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dom4tg (Post 170073)
This thread seems to pander to transgender feminists, hyper-sensitive to even the slightest perceived offence to their identity - real or imagined. I have a couple of points to make on that:

1 - The title of this site is transladyboy - it is a porn site in case that wasn?t obvious. Preaching to others about politically correct gender terms in this context is bit rich. Part of the appeal of such sites is that people can fantasise and express that fantasy in words most comfortable to them - not kill it dead by running it through a feminist spellchecker first. That is not to say people should be intentionally offensive (especially to other members) - only that people should use a bit more common sense given the context here.

2 - Transgender covers plenty besides transwomen battling against patriarchal oppression etc. There are hopefully transgender individuals on here and admirers that have a grown up, flexible view of human sexuality, and appreciate that transgender individuals attract admirers for reasons many and varied. I sometimes like to see some M-to-F trans as feminine males...it emphasises the contrast between their extreme feminity and the fact they were born male...a contrast which I find very erotic in itself...but that?s just me. The point is, whatever your reason for liking a particular trans, it's as valid as any other.

dom4tg

Now that you are banned, I seriously doubt that you'll even read this but I am going to post this anyhow.

There are many members(the majority actually) here that ARE NOT in the pornography business(and even if they are, they are still deserving of respect) and there are MANY threads here that have nothing to do with pornography at all.

Your posts here, and your attempts at justifying them, just shows that you don't get it at all.:no:

SluttyShemaleAnna 01-08-2011 08:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smc (Post 157954)
The funniest part, in my opinion, is what the husband of the Wanda Sykes character says. He wants the chicken despite what Randal has said:

"Baby, you can't taste racism!" :lol:

Unless there's a racist guy in the kitchen who spunks in black people's burgers....

johnny_love 02-14-2011 11:30 AM

In my opinion, "real women" or "fake women women" are just terms that are not only offensive, but stupid as "women" is the only word that should be used by everyone. Doesn't matter the genitals, it matters the fact that you are women and shouldn't care about what others say, either if the say it out of not knowing or out of hatred...so be happy and peace!:respect:

joedirty313 03-09-2011 01:17 AM

My thoughts on real woman
 
I prefer to refer to transsexuals as real woman, and the other as gg. Follow the link...:heart:


http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpo...&postcount=223

Marcelus 03-10-2011 05:46 AM

Bull..it
 
In my opinion shemales are the real women in this world. ciswomen aren't cause they look different and aren't that smart as shemales! So , viva shemales!

smc 03-10-2011 07:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcelus (Post 178313)
In my opinion shemales are the real women in this world. ciswomen aren't cause they look different and aren't that smart as shemales! So , viva shemales!

This is as insulting to ciswomen as the ungendering of transwomen that this thread is aimed at. You have been warned that this type of post is unacceptable. It is being left here as a reminder to all.

passivedude 03-25-2011 03:06 PM

I think t-girlsare far, far more beautiful than genetic girls. You name me one single genetic gril who is as beautiful as Bailey Jay or Danni Daniels.:turnon:

rgargizzle 04-04-2011 02:13 AM

It's all relative
 
I have been with a handful of so-called shemales and more women and I can tell you the difference is purely physical. I have met a lot of people in my life and all of them have been different. It really depends on the person. Everyone we meet is a true individual and whether or not you are into them sexually or not is what it comes down to. I have been around enough to know that everyone is looking for their own thing. I have known TGirls that are 100% females in how they interact with our world and have also known so-called trannies that are men in dresses, so I know what IO am talking about. i think people use terms insensitively but for the most part mean well.

loveshemales 05-24-2011 11:05 PM

shemales
 
I think that shemales are a god send because they have the beuty in there face and nice tits and of course the tasty dick in between there legs I have always wanted to date and eventually marry a shemale

shadows 05-25-2011 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loveshemales (Post 185791)
I think that shemales are a god send because they have the beuty in there face and nice tits and of course the tasty dick in between there legs I have always wanted to date and eventually marry a shemale

Calling them shemales is probably not going to get you too many marriage offers. Why don't you just call them women, as that is what they are?:)

Also, I hope there would be more reasons that you would wish to marry her than just her "face, tits, and tasty dick".

aw9725 06-20-2011 12:35 PM

Found this today while out browsing for something else entirely... Very interesting and informative.

http://www.queerty.com/lets-learn-th...void-20110620/

TheUser 06-22-2011 06:13 AM

Wow, this is an unbelievable thread.

You banned a guy for sharing an opinion that did not align with your own. He was not disrespectful in any way, was not belligerent or hostile and I doubt his intent was to pick a fight. I think he genuinely just wanted to share his opinion because he disagreed with previous posts and he was immediately threatened by several members of this forum and then banned. You should be ashamed of yourselves for being such hypocrites.

He came here to talk and you all just shut him down. If it's your goal to change the hearts and minds of people that you deem disrespectful in regards to transgender issues then you are failing at this task miserably. You have to be open to discussion and you will certainly be confronted by many that do not agree with your views. Even after a civil argument, they still will not agree with you in most cases. You need to understand that your views are opinion and not words of righteousness, just like dom4TGs views are his opinion. You could have at least had a 2 sided conversation instead of simply stroking each other off.

Your conduct toward dom4tg was basically totalitarian and insanely hypocritical. You basically proved dom4tg's very first point by banning him. He wins this argument.

The same goes for the overall theme of this thread, disregarding the scuffle with dom4tg for a second. You're basically setting a tone of "respect the lingo OR ELSE!" for this site. It's absurd that you all think you have the right to not be offended. It's called life. You are free to do all you can do to try and change the world, but you can't blow your lid the second somebody offends you. Well, you can, but don't expect positive results.

Lastly, as mentioned previously, this is a porn site, plain and simple. You want to have serious discussions about respect for transgendered people, maybe think about moving this forum to a more suitable domain. This is seriously laughable. I know for me and many others, outright and blatant disrespect of a person, whether it's physical, verbal, or psychological, can be a huge part of a sexual fantasy. So you shouldn't be at all offended or surprised when you see terms like "tranny" or "shemale" tossed around at a place like this. Quite small offenses in the grand scheme of things.

smc 06-22-2011 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by TheUser (Post 188912)
Wow, this is an unbelievable thread.

You banned a guy for sharing an opinion that did not align with your own. He was not disrespectful in any way, was not belligerent or hostile and I doubt his intent was to pick a fight. I think he genuinely just wanted to share his opinion because he disagreed with previous posts and he was immediately threatened by several members of this forum and then banned. You should be ashamed of yourselves for being such hypocrites.

He came here to talk and you all just shut him down. If it's your goal to change the hearts and minds of people that you deem disrespectful in regards to transgender issues then you are failing at this task miserably. You have to be open to discussion and you will certainly be confronted by many that do not agree with your views. Even after a civil argument, they still will not agree with you in most cases. You need to understand that your views are opinion and not words of righteousness, just like dom4TGs views are his opinion. You could have at least had a 2 sided conversation instead of simply stroking each other off.

Your conduct toward dom4tg was basically totalitarian and insanely hypocritical. You basically proved dom4tg's very first point by banning him. He wins this argument.

The same goes for the overall theme of this thread, disregarding the scuffle with dom4tg for a second. You're basically setting a tone of "respect the lingo OR ELSE!" for this site. It's absurd that you all think you have the right to not be offended. It's called life. You are free to do all you can do to try and change the world, but you can't blow your lid the second somebody offends you. Well, you can, but don't expect positive results.

Lastly, as mentioned previously, this is a porn site, plain and simple. You want to have serious discussions about respect for transgendered people, maybe think about moving this forum to a more suitable domain. This is seriously laughable. I know for me and many others, outright and blatant disrespect of a person, whether it's physical, verbal, or psychological, can be a huge part of a sexual fantasy. So you shouldn't be at all offended or surprised when you see terms like "tranny" or "shemale" tossed around at a place like this. Quite small offenses in the grand scheme of things.

This is a very interesting first post on this site. One could reasonably assume that you are either here exclusively for the purpose of challenging the stated rules of the Forum, or are a friend of the banned person to whom you refer, or are the banned person back with a different ID, or all of the above.

You begin on this site by calling those of us who are responsible for enforcing the rules a series of names: "hypocrites," "totalitarian," even "insanely hypocritical." You presume to know the full extent of the story. You presume to know of the PMs that might have passed during the interchange.

You lecture us about the purpose of the site, as if it is yours to determine. You call it a "porn site, plain and simple." It is not, though, yours to determine. You can only have an opinion; you do not dictate the site's purpose. Why? Because this is a privately owned site. And to be clear, there are no rights here, other than those afforded by the site owner. It is his domain. He can decide whether a combination of porn and proscribed discussion is allowable, or he can decide whether only some porn and completely free rein in discussion is allowable, or he can decide that only women with first names beginning in "L" and who are between the ages of 27 and 39 can participate.

My suggestion is that if you wish to defend the ungendering of transpeople, you find somewhere else to post. The arrogance of a first post such as yours -- and the arrogance is PRECISELY because it is your first post -- is not something we haven't seen before, and the outcome of the user's participation here is almost always the same.

smc 06-22-2011 06:43 AM

^^^ By the way, for those of you who may not want to review the entire history with dom4tg, check here:

http://forum.transladyboy.com/showpo...5&postcount=77

His banning was the outcome of his stated desire to have nothing to do with the site, because he didn't want to respect the rules. That is the only right he had: the right NOT to participate.

TheUser 06-22-2011 06:49 AM

I am not dom4tg and I do not know him at all. I'm simply expressing my opinion after having read through the thread. And seeing how you handled dom4tg, I fully expect to be banned for dissenting. You can hide behind all the justifications you want and deflect any points about the real argument here, but at the end of the day all you're doing is failing to face facts and conducting a biased, extremely unfair forum.

smc 06-22-2011 07:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheUser (Post 188917)
I am not dom4tg and I do not know him at all. I'm simply expressing my opinion after having read through the thread. And seeing how you handled dom4tg, I fully expect to be banned for dissenting. You can hide behind all the justifications you want and deflect any points about the real argument here, but at the end of the day all you're doing is failing to face facts and conducting a biased, extremely unfair forum.

All you have done is demonstrate that either you do not read completely or you simply want to be here to pick a fight. It's notable that despite your accusation that I hid behind justifications deflected points, you didn't really address the substance of my response. Your initial post, however, has been dealt with again and again in this thread that you claim to have read (assumedly, either not as thoroughly as you might have us believe OR with a focus only on the posts with which you agree).

You will not be banned for expressing your opinion in a discussion. You may be banned for ungendering, should it happen (which I do not anticipate) and if a warning does not suffice to put an end to it. It's as simple as that.

dom4tg asked to leave. You do not know all the facts. It was made simple for him. PMs were exchanged as well.

This IS a "biased" forum. It is extremely biased. We have decided that despite all the porn, our discussions will be respectful of transpeople, and that words matter in this. We take it seriously. We take seriously when someone posts a self-identified woman in the crossdresser thread, no less than we take seriously when someone writes that one of our transmembers is not a "real woman."

It is a privilege, not a right, to be a member of this site. The bottom-line question for me to you is this: Are you here to argue about rules that you don't have to live by -- because you can just choose not to participate if you don't like the way this PRIVATE site is set up? Or are you here to make a positive contribution in some way?

aw9725 06-22-2011 10:54 AM

My own observation is that these members that smc has banned and others like them simply come in here looking for trouble—like they do all over the Internet. They claim that the moderators are “picking on” them or whatever but then at the same time they want to be able to insult anyone that they choose.

As many others have pointed out this is a “private” forum with rules. One is to be respectful of other members. It amazes me that any member would want to use derogatory language toward someone that they, by becoming a member here, would claim to admire.

The use of demeaning language towards any group is one step towards not seeing them as individuals, maybe not seeing them as human beings, and then maybe thinking that perhaps discrimination or violence towards them is OK. Unfortunately, history is filled with far too many examples of this.
Violence towards gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transsexuals is very real.

smc is a personal friend of mine outside this forum and I think he does an excellent job of moderating this place. Trying to balance the “porn” aspect of this forum with the serious discussion of social issues is a daunting task. But I guess sometimes smc isn’t “totalitarian and insanely hypocritical” enough. :lol:

pussyboy 07-04-2011 09:48 PM

unintended words
 
i want to apologize for any ungendering remarks i made.it was strictly unintentional and from now on will pick my words more carefully.to me transexuals are women like any other but with a bonus.:)

Interesting 07-06-2011 02:30 AM

i did not read the entire thread, but speaking to the thread's title, there's simply two genders.

Male
Female

all that falls in between are 'abnormalities' in sense that somewhere along the genetic coding and biochemical make up, an abnormality occurred that caused said gender to act out of line to the 'majority' or 'norm'.

with that being said, this is to be respected and recognized, violence or out right hate is not a viable way to react or deal with this reality.

Also, for all that fall in between, they might disagree with my statements, but i think this is due to their unique position in life and their strive to find a solid identity that can be 'official'.

tslust 07-07-2011 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Interesting (Post 190062)
i did not read the entire thread, but speaking to the thread's title, there's simply two genders.

Male
Female

all that falls in between are 'abnormalities'

Did not read the entire post, but ---just my opinion of you.

(I apologize in advance to anyone other than the intended recipient -Interesting- who might be offended by this.)

Interesting 07-07-2011 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tslust (Post 190268)
Did not read the entire post, but ---just my opinion of you.

(I apologize in advance to anyone other than the intended recipient -Interesting- who might be offended by this.)

yes yes, i'm soo bad. At least i wrote down semi-coherent thoughts in my quoted post, why can't you? or are you automatically offended if i don't sub in 'i love shemale cock' in every post i make?

ila 07-07-2011 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tslust (Post 190268)
Did not read the entire post, but ---just my opinion of you.

(I apologize in advance to anyone other than the intended recipient -Interesting- who might be offended by this.)

You have said it better than I could even think of. Well done. :hug::kiss:

smc 07-07-2011 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Interesting (Post 190269)
yes yes, i'm soo bad. At least i wrote down semi-coherent thoughts in my quoted post, why can't you? or are you automatically offended if i don't sub in 'i love shemale cock' in every post i make?

Interesting, you would be wise to respond to my PM.

Melissa Pink 07-07-2011 07:47 PM

This is a wonderful post! I began my journey as a transgendered woman nearly four years ago. During that time I've been labeled a crossdresser, shemale, t-girl, tranny, freak, etc. As stated I prefer the term transgender or transwoman but I'm not offended if some refers to me by a perjorative title like shemale. I consider the source! I "label" myself a "transcougar" and "cumslut" in here but it's sort of a joke and all meant in fun. It doesn't mean I want to be degraded! I enjoy sex and there is nothing wrong with that!

In some respects I've left myself open for such labels. I like to go out to nightclubs that are GLBT friendly and I embrace the attention that I sometimes receive. I realize that I am different and will never look totally like a genetic female but I don't give a shit! I'm a good person and a lot of people think I'm cute, sexy and know that I'm a good person! At all times I demand respect. If anyone talks to me in less than a respectful way I will at the very least ignore them! If they degrade me or in any way threaten me physically the fight is on! I learned martial arts in the military and became quite accomplished in defending myself. It's always funny to see the look on a bully's face when a "tranny" kicks his cowardly ass!

Melissa Pink
Transcougar and Cum Slut

smc 07-07-2011 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Melissa Pink (Post 190278)
... At all times I demand respect. If anyone talks to me in less than a respectful way I will at the very least ignore them! If they degrade me or in any way threaten me physically the fight is on! I learned martial arts in the military and became quite accomplished in defending myself. It's always funny to see the look on a bully's face when a "tranny" kicks his cowardly ass! ...

Melissa, I think you might have just stumbled upon a business opportunity ... perhaps not a get-rich-quick scheme, but certainly something that might bring in a few bucks. I am sure I am not the only person here who eschews buying pay-per-view boxing and wrestling matches on cable television but might consider tuning in to watch a real bully/hater get his ass kicked by you! ;)


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