Discussion of TS as escorts

[randolph]

A quote from Yasmin.
"Most ts are escorts sweetie.i would say at least 90%. When a # is this high..u have to wonder why? it's a balance of power for most..ts are forced and push by society to the bottom..making a living becomes even more difficult in an already competitive market...most of us are tire of fighting..subconciously we do what any human would...find the easy way out in order to survive..that's in our gene...then there's love...a universal quest..there is no denying that love in the guys in a ts relationship is very uncommon...most guys do not want to suffer the wrath of "transsexualism" They want in for the fun and then out...Ts will will learn about this at a very early stage in their transition...and so the balance of power..Most decide not to be used and make arrangement for guys that wanna engage with them...after a while..it's routine and becomes a lifestyle...and so i think...at least i can confirm this for myself and all of my friends...."
She is so beautiful, something to think about.:inlove:

[JodieTs]

Na wrong.
Most ts are not escorts
Most ts have no connection at all with the adult industry, in any shape or form.
I'm as ts escort...I have a number of ts friends
But,
Some Ts escort most don't.
The % I know who escort is slanted anyway, as we are in the same industry.

If I worked in an office, most of the people I knew
would likely also work in an office.

Also to escort successfully, you have to have the looks, temperament, and business sense.
Most ts do not fulfil these criteria.

The rest what she says, well a lot of it is correct.

[randolph]

Na wrong.
Most ts are not escorts
Most ts have no connection at all with the adult industry, in any shape or form.
I'm as ts escort...I have a number of ts friends
But,
Some Ts escort most don't.
The % I know who escort is slanted anyway, as we are in the same industry.

If I worked in an office, most of the people I knew
would likely also work in an office.

Also to escort successfully, you have to have the looks, temperament, and business sense.
Most ts do not fulfil these criteria.

The rest what she says, well a lot of it is correct.

yes, I was wondering if other transsexuals would agree with Yasmin on the percentage escorting. Her estimate seems very high to me. Although, the internet trannyporn industry seems to employ many thousands. Do we know the actual percentage of transsexuals in the population?

[JodieTs]

One in 6000 is a figure I hear
but on what stat basis
so I think its really pick a number.
Most ts loath the association of porn with ts.

So very few ts have anything to to with it.

[randolph]

One in 6000 is a figure I hear
but on what stat basis
so I think its really pick a number.
Most ts loath the association of porn with ts.

So very few ts have anything to to with it.

I also wonder if many of the so called shemales on porn sites with cum spurting hard cocks are actually feminized guys masquerading as transsexuals. The flat chested ladyboys in Asia are obviously males. Some of them are very cute, however.

[JodieTs]

I also wonder if many of the so called shemales on porn sites with cum spurting hard cocks are actually feminized guys masquerading as transsexuals. The flat chested ladyboys in Asia are obviously males. Some of them are very cute, however.

cum spurting humm...well that stops after two years on hormones unless you cycle them.
I'd say that a person who goes to the cost, pain, emotional rollercoaster,
and head-fuck,
to look female, is trans-variant.
Though I know one Brazilian shemale who has done this for escort work
and they intend to revert to male when they retire,
but that is a rarity.

Most ts have nothing to do with porn. So they are not represented in your "viewing"

I do, so the number % wise of ts I know in the industry is rather high.
Most of them are not feminised guys in any way at all.

[Penumbra]

You forgive for my English evil, which I must appeal to translating from the (Spanish) Castilian the Englishman.
Between in this topic on having seen Yasmin's name, she looks like to me a very natural transexual, with captivation and mystery.
I am mas in favour of that the majority of they they are not escorts

[randolph]

cum spurting humm...well that stops after two years on hormones unless you cycle them.
I'd say that a person who goes to the cost, pain, emotional rollercoaster,
and head-fuck,
to look female, is trans-variant.
Though I know one Brazilian shemale who has done this for escort work
and they intend to revert to male when they retire,
but that is a rarity.

Most ts have nothing to do with porn. So they are not represented in your "viewing"

I do, so the number % wise of ts I know in the industry is rather high.
Most of them are not feminised guys in any way at all.

Hi Jodie,
Thanks for your comments.
I like heterosexual sex and I like looking at girls. However, when it comes to fantasies, I turn to transsexuals. I still don't understand why I am so fascinated by a girl with male genitalia. I suspect its projection. I love my own cock VERY much. I give it a good lovin every morning.
I feel like there is a female spirit within me that enjoys sex. She is the source of much of my sexual pleasure. I know this sounds weird. But I believe all men have a female spirit within them. We don't realise that she is within and we go out seeking her in others. The transsexual girl stimulates this latent urge to become united with our female side. I don't know if this makes any sense but its how I view my love of transsexuals.

[stockbridge]

If it is that high a number with TS's then there probably is a problem. That being said I never understood the stigma with prostitution. What people do with their time, money and bodies is their business.

[JodieTs]

If it is that high a number with TS's then there probably is a problem. That being said I never understood the stigma with prostitution. What people do with their time, money and bodies is their business.

No you misunderstand me.
I work in the adult industry,
so that slants my contacts.

If you work in the army, you will find a high % of people you know carry assault rifles and drive tanks.
You will find most people outside the military demographic, don't drive tanks
nor shoot unarmed civilians {Detroit acknowledged}

[ila]

...You will find most people outside the military demographic, don't drive tanks
nor shoot unarmed civilians...

That is offensive to all serving and past military personnel. Most people in the military do not go around shooting unarmed civilians. I will agree that it has happened, but it is not pervasive.

[JodieTs]

Sorry, a bit insensitive of me.
I just saw a news item on this, but as you quite rightly say
it's a tiny % of people who do such things.
Sorry again.

[Bionca]

While I think the percent of trans women in sex work is higher than average, a figure of 90% is way to high.

The rest of what she says is spot on. I think when a majority of your proposed dates end up being "relaxing evening at her place (never his place)" or splitting a hotel and getting room service - something is up.

Most guys didn't want to be seen with me in public - and I NEVER get read as trans (except this one time by a homeless guy). Most guys would never even think about introducing me to their friends - ever. Most guys never bothered to tell me about the wife and kids.

I can totally understand why trans women get into sex work for the reasons mentioned above. Jobs are hard to get, guys treat us like we are porn fantasies regardless of their financial investment in our time, we are largely saddled with sexual expectations that cis women aren't - it's no wonder some gals think "I may as well get mine..."

[smc]

Most guys didn't want to be seen with me in public - and I NEVER get read as trans (except this one time by a homeless guy). Most guys would never even think about introducing me to their friends - ever. Most guys never bothered to tell me about the wife and kids.

I can totally understand why trans women get into sex work for the reasons mentioned above. Jobs are hard to get, guys treat us like we are porn fantasies regardless of their financial investment in our time, we are largely saddled with sexual expectations that cis women aren't - it's no wonder some gals think "I may as well get mine..."

Whenever I read something like what you have written, Bionca, I feel compelled to make a comment.

My observation is that while many, if not most, men are pigs who treat women with such disrespect (and transwomen even worse) that it turns my stomach, there are some of us who strive not only to be different but also to point out the "shortcomings" of others when the opportunity comes along. I, for one, would be honored to introduce you to anyone. It is shameful that others are not. They are not worthy of being called "human."

In the small city I live that abuts Boston, our high schools have a program to introduce LGBT people to the entire student body and build awareness and respect. There is a zero tolerance policy for abusive language or behavior. And it works -- not always, but more often than not. I will never forget the day I was in a pizza parlor near the high school and overheard a hulking football player giving a stern lecture to another player about the nasty name the latter had just called a young person who had just left. I had not really noticed the person in question, but from the lecture I discerned that he was a very effiminate young man or perhaps a transwoman. In any case, the football player who was lectured actually acknowledged that he was wrong.

A small step, but ...

[racquel]

I have to agree with everything Bionca said. I know a whole lot of TS people, and only one of them used to be a prostitute now and then, and she has histrionic personality disorder and is a horrible person.

[sosed]

Whenever I read something like what you have written, Bionca, I feel compelled to make a comment.

My observation is that while many, if not most, men are pigs who treat women with such disrespect (and transwomen even worse) that it turns my stomach, there are some of us who strive not only to be different but also to point out the "shortcomings" of others when the opportunity comes along. I, for one, would be honored to introduce you to anyone. It is shameful that others are not. They are not worthy of being called "human."

In the small city I live that abuts Boston, our high schools have a program to introduce LGBT people to the entire student body and build awareness and respect. There is a zero tolerance policy for abusive language or behavior. And it works -- not always, but more often than not. I will never forget the day I was in a pizza parlor near the high school and overheard a hulking football player giving a stern lecture to another player about the nasty name the latter had just called a young person who had just left. I had not really noticed the person in question, but from the lecture I discerned that he was a very effiminate young man or perhaps a transwoman. In any case, the football player who was lectured actually acknowledged that he was wrong.

A small step, but ...

I find this program excellent idea. I think it could be more common in schools. How do they describe identity disorder, when there is male in female body or female in male body? I'm sure science know here much more than what is common known. After all understanding of trans people could, in the long term, give them proper legal status and laws, that they could normally live as any other citizen.

[JodieTs]

I got a different deal from most trans.
My man got to know me really well via email and phone calls
before meeting me for real, on a number of visits.
On my first visit to his place [for a week, he lives abroad]
he arranged a dinner party every night at a different friends house.
He also introduced me to the majority of people and businesses he is connected to.
At the time, I was hyper-paranoid about anyone knowing about my "T"
This was very important to him as well as he thinks there would be a negative impact on him
if anyone knew 'that thing' about me.
Personally, I don't think there would be.

I'm in a very different place now and while I never get 'read'
{On the very rare visit to tranny bars, people assume I'm a supportive wife to a cross-dressing husband!}
I have found an equilibrium within myself
where I really don't care if a person knew about my "T"background.

My man is not in the same mental place, and I respect that by not wearing my vest with the message:
Horny, hot & hung!

He certainly doesn't keep me hidden,
and he continues to surprise me with the posh Do's & functions he takes me to
as well as the famous and powerful people I end up socialising with.

Two of the long-term couples who are close friends of mine
have relationships which in many ways are similar to mine, ie. normal.
The women friends who have a T history, are never kept in the dark nor hidden away.
They are treated by their men correctly, which is as well loved female partners.

Trans who are treated as a dirty little secret
...well that is their male partners issues & insecurities.
It is also a wider reflection of the societies in which we exist,
where trans is the new gay
and therefore taboo.

Trans long term visibility in mainstream is the only way
for societies to grow and accept us.
I'm totally stealth {work & this forum, acknowledged}
So I'm not seen in wider society as trans
and so I contribute nothing to trans normality/visibility.
I wish there was something I could do
which does not involve throwing away the one thing I've strived so long for
and made huge sacrifices to achieve.
Oh well....

[SemperJay]

I Think She is an Absolutely AMAZING WOMAN!!!

Not Only is Yasmin Lee Dropdead GORGEOUS (Which She Totally Is!)... But....

I've heard her speak several times before... She always comes across as a Highly Intelligent and Very Cool Person! :respect: :hug:

[franalexes]

The amazing woman here in this thread is JODIE.:respect:
Bionca has already made her mark in hundreds of posts.

[LibertyHarkness]

90% of fit / good looking TS are sex workers be it webcam/porn/escorting ...is what she means ...

[SluttyShemaleAnna]

90% of fit / good looking TS are sex workers be it webcam/porn/escorting ...is what she means ...

So you are saying that TS who are not sex workers are almost all ugly?

>:-(

Disagree and am offended.

[Michaela]

To me it seems like that the percentage of TS and TG sex-workers varies a lot in different countries.

There can be many reasons, like unemployment rates, public view on sex-work etc. but in countries where the public health care is of high quality and available to everyone regardless of income; TS and TG sex-workers are rare.
On the other hand, as the world looks today, sex-work might be the only way to afford the operation in many countries.

[LibertyHarkness]

I am saying that there is far more good looking Transsexual escorts on the major boards than not so pretty looking ones or not so further transitoned ones ..

Sure there are some stunning girls taht dont work in sex industry , but in my experience of being in the Sex industry for 4years almost now , 90% of all the really good looking girls i have met/come across all work in the adult biz, or have worked to fund stuff ,,,

I am not saying non sexworkers are ugly at all, that is subjective ,, i would never position myself into saying who i think is ugly and who is not , its not my place to .. i am stating simple logic of what i have come across in my experiences thus far in england and some of the usa .

I just seem, to find that most of the girls that are really nioce looking i meet all webcam / sell sex, do porn ...

So you are saying that TS who are not sex workers are almost all ugly?

>:-(

Disagree and am offended.

[JodieTs]

I am saying that there is far more good looking Transsexual escorts on the major boards than not so pretty looking ones or not so further transitoned ones ..

Sure there are some stunning girls taht dont work in sex industry , but in my experience of being in the Sex industry for 4years almost now , 90% of all the really good looking girls i have met/come across all work in the adult biz, or have worked to fund stuff ,,,

I am not saying non sexworkers are ugly at all, that is subjective ,, i would never position myself into saying who i think is ugly and who is not , its not my place to .. i am stating simple logic of what i have come across in my experiences thus far in england and some of the usa .

I just seem, to find that most of the girls that are really nioce looking i meet all webcam / sell sex, do porn ...
Libby.
Your observations are slanted and unintentionally selective,
because of your job and where you are aware of other Ts.

You work in the sex industry, so a higher proportion of other Ts you know, will also be in the same job.

Working in porn /escorting requires a degree of attractiveness.
Most jobs don't have this physical bias.

If you work in the sex industry you are much more likely to hang round tranny sex forums than non industry trans.

Also, our jobs necessitate a visible high public profile.
We advertise so we are visible.
Most trans women are the complete opposite and do everything they can to avoid being identified as transsexual females.

You are only aware of attractive ts who work in porn, because they work in porn.
If they didn't work in porn, you wouldn't know they were ts.

And FFS surgery.
There may be more of a drive/motivation/?-affordability
for trans sex workers to have FFS than non industry transsexual's.
So you will see a disproportionately higher number of porn ts's at FFS consultations/surgery-recovery hotels.
However, I bet your experience in the FFS thing was the same as mine:
A high majority of stunning ts women who sought / or had FFS
have no connection with trans porn.

No bias in my comments as I do porn & escort.
Just a common sense observation to unintentional selective observations.

[franalexes]

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Most guys didn't want to be seen with me in public - and I NEVER get read as trans ..."

Most ? Then you are mostly seeing the wrong guys.
I would suspect then that they are fearful of being seen by their friends that might know your TS status.

[Bionca]

Most ? Then you are mostly seeing the wrong guys.
I would suspect then that they are fearful of being seen by their friends that might know your TS status.


Guys one meets online in dating sites (ever trans specific ones) are game for secret meetings and "discrete" hook ups.

[franalexes]

Wednesday 1-19-11. Portland , Maine
body of 22 year old escort found in Portland harbor.
Details of homicide were not revealed.

[tslust]

Wednesday 1-19-11. Portland , Maine
body of 22 year old escort found in Portland harbor.
Details of homicide were not revealed.

In Kansas City, MO (Which is next door to where I live.), several years ago, a number of prostitute were found dead. Some of them were found in the river, just their torsos, their arms and legs and heads were never recovered. And there's the Craigslist killer, and the endless stories of people's friends who have been kidnapped and taken to different countries as sex slaves.

Basicly said, escorting/prostitution can be very dangerous.

[Sammitranni]

I come from a background (South and East London) and a family which has had involvement with escort work anyway, lol, so its not all that odd to me. I know a good few girls who do it 'part time' (mainly out-calling) for extra money - and a few full timers. I've only met one other TS escort though - and that was socially in Barcelona, lol.

I'm very rarely noticed as a TS - I go clubbing a lot and most men just treat me with the same flirty banter that most of us 'Essex Girls' get, LOL. I don't think its true that all TS get 'pushed down' - whenever I've informed anyone of my status (and in dating situations with potential sex happening you have to really lol) the most common response is more of interest than anything else. I suppose it depends where you might want to work.

I suppose if you need the money for an operation then its probably one very fast way if you are a suitable type of person for the work, but its certainly not for everyone.

[merelypink]

I would say 10% are escorts and that might be high...

[JodieTs]

I would say 10% are escorts and that might be high...
I'd guess it is a much smaller % than that.
Though the sad truth is that a much higher % of Pre-SRS Trans-females
turn to escorting than bio-females.
A multitude of reasons
like lack of job opportunities
fundinding surgery's
being the main.

Many who previously escorted
stop for good after SRS

[randolph]

I'd guess it is a much smaller % than that.
Though the sad truth is that a much higher % of Pre-SRS Trans-females
turn to escorting than bio-females.
A multitude of reasons
like lack of job opportunities
fundinding surgery's
being the main.

Many who previously escorted
stop for good after SRS

The irony of this transsexual escorting, porn situation is so, what can I say, weird?, bizarre? Here we are, a bunch of horny guys lusting after girls with cocks. Drooling over pictures of big hard shecocks and possibly paying a lot of money for the privilege of sucking her shecock. So what is the escort thinking about while some guy is sucking her cock? "I cant wait to get enough money so I can get rid of that thing and have a pussey"!
For me, mutual enjoyment in a sexual situation would be essential. To be aware that she is only interested in the money to do away with what I desire and love is a huge turn off. Somehow, I guess, I need to twist my mind around and renew my interest in female genitalia. :turnoff:
Previously, I got into a lot of trouble talking about SRS, so we will see what happens this time. :eek:

[JodieTs]

So what is the escort thinking about while some guy is sucking her cock? "I cant wait to get enough money so I can get rid of that thing and have a pussey"!
To be aware that she is only interested in the money to do away with what I desire and love is a huge turn off.
It's called acting.
Just enjoy her doing her thing.
And be happy you are helping her achieve her goal.

[randolph]

It's called acting.
Just enjoy her doing her thing.
And be happy you are helping her achieve her goal.

Fooey! That's what we get with ggirls. Tgirls are supposed to be hot and horny, like us. They should love their cocks and want sex all the time, like us deranged males. :lol:

[JodieTs]

Fooey! That's what we get with ggirls. Tgirls are supposed to be hot and horny, like us. They should love their cocks and want sex all the time, like us deranged males. :lol:

Well, I love my cock's earning potential! :lol:

Does that count?

[randolph]

Well, I love my cock's earning potential! :lol:

Does that count?

Hey, I have a nice big cock and nobody has offered to pay me to suck it!
I guess I am just not cute enough. sob! sob!

[JodieTs]

I'm of the Method school of acting.
I need a big hard penis in my mouth,
to get my best performance out. :eek:

[randolph]

I'm of the Method school of acting.
I need a big hard penis in my mouth,
to get my best performance out. :eek:

Well, Humm, That sounds quite cost effective! :respect:
Does that mean your a Methodist? ;)
I definitely believe in cock worship. :drool:
So a nice religious experience would be well worth it. :)
Perhaps a prayer session between your thighs to complete the visit? :lol:

[JodieTs]

I'll have to pass the collection plate round, first. :lol:

[randolph]

I'll have to pass the collection plate round, first. :lol:

The tithe that binds, I presume? ;)

[macc]

While I think the percent of trans women in sex work is higher than average, a figure of 90% is way to high.

The rest of what she says is spot on. I think when a majority of your proposed dates end up being "relaxing evening at her place (never his place)" or splitting a hotel and getting room service - something is up.

Most guys didn't want to be seen with me in public - and I NEVER get read as trans (except this one time by a homeless guy). Most guys would never even think about introducing me to their friends - ever. Most guys never bothered to tell me about the wife and kids.

I can totally understand why trans women get into sex work for the reasons mentioned above. Jobs are hard to get, guys treat us like we are porn fantasies regardless of their financial investment in our time, we are largely saddled with sexual expectations that cis women aren't - it's no wonder some gals think "I may as well get mine..."

It's kinda sad to hear this because I am one of those types of guys you are describing. It's a sad thing for myself to admit but it's true. I live in an unpopulated state where there really isn't any TS girls so people just aren't used to them, and they def wouldn't be used to me telling them how much I like them.

I have to drive 6 hours to the nearest city to visit them. A couple I've become good friends with and actually will go out with them on the town, though that's in a city where noone knows me so it makes it easier.

Theres no doubt about it, it would be hard being a ts girl in our society. I couldn't imagine. It's because of people like myself who are to scared to come out and discuss what we like with our good friends. The strange thing is my friends would still accept me even if I did tell them.

I fall under the I love women and TS but not men catagory.

Now going to the escort issue.....

It's sad because all the ts women I find attractive happen to be escorts. Now if I were ever to date one it wouldn't be an escort for obvious reasons. I understand they have to make their money but at the same way there are many ways to make money in our society. The one thing capatalism has given us is a platform for us to be able to come up with a creative idea and make a profit on it.

Over the years I've actually become pretty good friends with some of the top ts models. Yasmin, Sarina Valentina, Foxxy....just to name a few. I'm an attractive guy and I've always found it easy to get responses back from beautiful ts women. In saying this there is no way I could ever date any of them because of the business they work in. I have a a different standard in a women then that. Escorting is fine and it's there choice, but I wouldn't want to share and I don't think that's an unreasonable thing to ask for. I would hold a TS to the same standard as I do any GG. So it's to bad most of the hot ts women are in the industry. Or at least hot women I meet/know.

[JodieTs]

I know a lot of hot trans women
who don't escort
and hold the same values as you, on the relationship / dating / escort thing.

The truth is that if you are Ts, you do end up with a lot of Ts friends from all walks of life.
It's a safe comfort thing; we chat with each other and sometimes socialise
just because of the "T" thing in common.

Without that connection with others, a lot of Ts women are so hidden from their history.
One of my real world friends work in a very high visibility position in
consumer liaison. That means she interacts with huge numbers of people,
none of who are any the wiser.
Her on-line name on a trans forum for a while was Stealthlite, which sums it up nicely.


You have trans who are generally visible because they either choose not to hide their past,
or are by appearance/build. unable to. Mostly it's sadly the latter.
You have a very small % of trans who are generally visible because they escort / do porn.
and finally
You have trans who are generally invisible because they do not escort and because they appear to be a bio-female.

Which is a bugger if you want to date a concept [a trans-female]
rather than a specific person [Susie who has a trans background]

Damned if I know.